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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on January 30, 2011, 11:29:45 PM
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The other thread got going fast, but I think a better discussion might come out of this question:
For a "new" amiga-like OS, what parts are important for you?
What sort of hardware should it support?
What sort of hardware can you go without?
What features should be present?
What are "must have's" from the old amiga os?
In short, what is your wishlist?
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What i would like to see is a Morphos distro of Aros. I have never actually used any of the ng amiga os' (except Aros) so my experience is limited to youtube etc.
I think the Morphos team could do wonders with Aros, definitely more than Hyperion. They have a sound business structure that consistently releases products. I also love the butterfly :)
Morphos has a good os but fails as it is on the wrong hardware :)
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The other thread got going fast, but I think a better discussion might come out of this question:
For a "new" amiga-like OS, what parts are important for you?
Not run by US pop-tarts dressing mutton up as lamb!
Not pretending all that glitters must be gold.
Not flogging a dead horse by pretending your the chosen one.
Every OS Sucks !
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What i would like to see is a Morphos distro of Aros. I have never actually used any of the ng amiga os' (except Aros) so my experience is limited to youtube etc.
I think the Morphos team could do wonders with Aros, definitely more than Hyperion. They have a sound business structure that consistently releases products. I also love the butterfly :)
Morphos has a good os but fails as it is on the wrong hardware :)
Actually, that sounds like a great idea. I would definately pay for a distro like that!
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OctaMED Soundstudio should work on it.
Without an emulator.
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- Transparent compatibility with existing applications
- An easy to grasp system drawer layout
- Screens
- Windows that don't automatically pop to the front when you click them
- Drag 'n' drop support *from* applications to Workbench
- Inclusion of a Filer-type file browser, with the option of using old-style Workbench windows too
- Menus hidden at the top of the screen, or optionally pop-up at the mouse.
- Integrated network file share browsing and discovery
- Integrated file and printer sharing (guess that means multi-user support too)
- Support for modern printers
- Support for colour profiles at every level (application/API, OS, graphics card driver, printer, scanner etc.)
Hardware to be honest is less of a concern for me. If it's well built it could still be usable in 10 years so price is less of a concern. A €500 PC will have been replaced several times by then! Obviously though, the more standard parts the better, so PCI-e and SATA are a given, but unless there's transparent compatibility with older apps on an Intel version of the OS (like MacOS & Rosetta), it's not something I'd want.
Finally - I know it sounds silly, but... I don't think the POST should be displayed on boot. PCs do that, and it always shows their roots as a text-based machine, and somehow feels like it's trying to look impressive and complicated. Macs and classic Amigas never did it, I find it a shame that the A1 does... But that's an odd one I realise :)
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OctaMED Soundstudio should work on it.
Without an emulator.
DITTO! You'd think there would be a way to keep it from Locking up under MorphOS and assign the audio output to something MorphOS is friendly with.
If AMiga OS 4 can do it, then so should MorphOS.
AROS is x86, so having to use emulation is expected.
On that note, I'm looking forward to Digitbooster 3!
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I would like for it to work with cpld and fpga chips.
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I'd prefer something hardware-indepent, but that is low-requirement enough to where I can run it on my modestly-upgraded 2000. The only hardware I think it needs to support as an inherent design feature is an MMU, in a proper memory-protection environment. AmigaOS, to me, is more about the elegant, easily-understood design of the API, and I would ideally like a new Amiga-inspired OS to be as lovely under the hood as other OSes try to be on the surface.
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Everything that BeOS was in 2001.
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Everything that BeOS was in 2001.
GREAT OS that one. Be should have just bought Amiga Tech and called it Workbench 5, with an " amiga" on a card like the Index Computers for backwards games compatibility, integrating the two with a Siamese set up, and ports of Amiga serious apps.
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IPv6
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I think something similar to AROS in the way it's not bound to particular hardware and runs on multiple archs. The ability to run my old classics without having to think about it is also important to me (including custom hardware hitting games). Unless someone comes up with some sort of "amiga on a card", then this is obviously going to be emulation, which Im fine with so long as the experience is reasonably seemless. Apart from those, basic OS structure I like, so that has to be much the same for me. Being able to know your system inside out as well. Datatypes I like the idea of still, and have the potential to be everybit as useful with modern computing as it was 20 or so years ago, albiet they'll need to be slightly expanded/freshened up. The apis need to be improved/extended/etc. too, but I do like the idea of the amiga still using it's own rather than adopting something from the open source world. This isnt to say there should be no SDL, Allegro, GL,etc., theyre quite useful and are standards amiga os based systems can join in the rest of the world with, but intuition, ahi, mui, p96, cgx, and so on I'd like to see enhanced rather than thrown to the wayside for something easier/generic.
In a nutshell I guess the direction the "NG" systems are going isnt too far removed from the direction Im interested in. The biggest problem I guess with this road though is that it'll take a lot more time than adapting generic OS components. For me though it's a little pointless to do the latter as I dont see the point in anther OS that has nothing unique. Sure, it's outdated in some areas, but it is different to Win/Lin/etc.
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It should be just like Emacs
// runs out of the room :D
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Runs on inexpensive and fast modern hardware and is 99.9% compatible with classic software.
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html 5
ip 6
wifi (WPA)
flash
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There are just a few thiings that are really important:
1. Workbench - true to the original spirit (Windomanager and Filesystembrowser with the classic feel)
2. Old Amiga Software works (preferably OCS stuff too, but thats optional)
3. Runs on real Hardware that you can order and buy new with a warranty.
4. No bloat - not booting into one OS starting virtualization booting the 2nd one and than doning emulation ... just keep it clean and simple ...
5. Hacks are only there to bring you tommorows features today - they are not a design concept!
6. Browser of at least OWB 3.30 stability, compatibility and performance.
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I think the Morphos team could do wonders with Aros
Weren´t they using AROS sources in the beginning and removed these parts later?
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The other thread got going fast, but I think a better discussion might come out of this question:
For a "new" amiga-like OS, what parts are important for you?
What sort of hardware should it support?
What sort of hardware can you go without?
What features should be present?
What are "must have's" from the old amiga os?
In short, what is your wishlist?
Supports ARM processor derivatives.
Has 16bit sound, fast 32bit graphics, has hardware 2D/3D acceleration, dual display support, TV out.
Built in Wi-Fi, usb 2 or 3, SATA. Comes in a desktop wedge ;)
New features: memory protection, Virtual memory (but only when required), Multi thread/core support.
Same Amiga filesystem layout (it's so easy to understand!), Fast multitasking, Amiga themed, Draggable screens, launches old software transparently.
Your doing some interesting threads these days Runequester.
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"For a "new" amiga-like OS, what parts are important for you?"
Any and all. Let the end user decide. I love building my own machines at home (although they are all PC's). Don't restrict it to one (or a few) types of hardware like Apple does.
"What sort of hardware should it support?"
Any and all.
"What sort of hardware can you go without?"
Let the user decide.
"What features should be present?"
Speed! I want a very fast OS, not bloatware like Windows. Let me decide on what options to install.
"What are "must have's" from the old amiga os?"
It should (or must) run the old Amiga software from the 80's and 90's even if it runs it in a virtualized manner.
"In short, what is your wishlist?"
A very fast, open source, freely distributable OS that can be loaded on any type of hardware (x86, PPC, ARM, etc...). It should have the look and feel of the old Amiga OS's but up to date. It should support the latest hardware and software but also be able to run the old Amiga software (virtualized most likely).
That would be paradise for me.
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A OS with full blown MP and SMP, that isn't an nightmare to admin, works on x86 and ARM which has some AROSish qualities to it.