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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaNG on January 28, 2011, 07:46:34 AM
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No, pancake option, simple question, time to answer. If you could explain why, as i see it all they are trying to do is to give us the best OS4 machine they can, doesn't matter about price, or os4 should be on cheaper mac hardware or it should be ported off ppc etc, this is what they are trying, weather you agree its the right decision or not, is not really what I'm after more of reason why you want it to fail, example so that OS4 does go the mac root, so OS4 fails etc.
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Missing who cares option...
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Missing who cares option...
if that true then why post or even click on a tread about a subject you dont care about. You must be bad on the internet, posting on all them obscure web site no one cares about.
I've not had a good night sleep so forgive me if I'm coming across as an ass hole, in a bad mood this morning, was nearly not going to post this, but guess I decided differently as otherwise you wouldn't be reading this.....god i must be a bit crazy this morning. :laughing:
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Who cares would probably fall into "No" in my opinion. To click yes implies you have an interest/opinion on the matter. :)
I dont think many people will select yes, Im not really sure why you'd think it'd be pollworthy. Even those people that think A1x1000 is overpriced/underspecced/the wrong move/whatever I'd like to think arent nasty enough to want someone from the communities efforts, time and money to fail. The negativity in general towards it I think is more because it's so average/normal/whatever, and spec wise, a bit underwhelming. Yes, AmigaOS and its variants are typically pretty efficient. The OSes themselves are super responsive and quick on slow hardware, but this rule doesnt often apply for the software running on said OSes. CPU intensive software is just as cpu intensive on Amiga OS as it is elsewhere.
So, my take on it alll is nice effort, but not what Im after in a modern amiga, especially not for the proposed price.
Anyway, sorry for going slightly off topic, my brain when on a tangent and my fingers followed :)
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In my opinion it will fail regardless if I want it or not. And why should I have bad wishes for A-Eon? I've voted "No" then.
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I would never buy one and do think it's a slightly pointless exercise, but there's no way I want it to fizzle out or fail...
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How about this for a fun poll:
Would you be more inclined to purchase an X1000 if you could run MorphOS on it?
Although I could probably never afford one, that would make it the ultimate machine for me being able to run both OSs. Getting Aros ported to it would be nice too, and is probably more likely.
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I voted "no".
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I voted no, but I don't think it's going to be a success either (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=609832&postcount=108).
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Missing who cares option...
I agree.
And as my or your opinion about it will matter anyway, it *will* fail, no matter if people wants it to or not...
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How about this for a fun poll:
Would you be more inclined to purchase an X1000 if you could run MorphOS on it?
Although I could probably never afford one, that would make it the ultimate machine for me being able to run both OSs. Getting Aros ported to it would be nice too, and is probably more likely.
I voted "No" and would even be more inclined to buy an A1 X1k if it ran MOS as well and - if possible - AROS and LINUX, too.
EDIT:
If it ran MOS I could take advantage of the USB 2.0 highspeed in the A1 X1k, while all flavours of OS 4.1 still lack USB 2.0 highspeed support.
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Eventually decided to vote 'yes'. *Not* because I would wish Trevor (or others) bad things (why should I?). But I don't think it is a sustainable business model and the quicker pipe dreams come to an end the saner. It is überexpensive, it is strongly delayed, it uses an EOL mid class very rare cpu - to sum it up: it is the wrong approach.
Or to phrase my intention why I voted 'yes' in German: "Lieber ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende" (It's better to make a painful break than draw out the agony).
But if the X1000 eventually arrives and sells in significant numbers I'll take a bow.
Edit: to avoid misunderstandings: I voted 'yes' in the manner of a *quick* end. I am pretty sure the X1000 project is a desaster and will fail eventually (actually it is failed already IMHO: delayed, expensive, bad design choice). The quicker it comes to a complete end the better for proceeding then on greener grounds. If it takes ages and ages it will only bind capacity and eventually yield nowhere anyway. Hence the 'yes' is meant in a most constructive way.
I like to note that I see things different for Acube's business model: While I have lots of critics for them in particular details I think they are some kind of on track. The products get better and they seem to be rather grounded.
All in all I think it would be best if OS4 jumps to x86 or ARM. And that's true for MorphOS, too. Albeit there are some nice ppc announcemnts by Freescale staying ppc on the long term is at best "problematic".
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Would you be more inclined to purchase an X1000 if you could run MorphOS on it?
I don't think so, because it doesn't offer that much more than current MorphOS hardware, especially with the price. Of course it would be interesting to have option to run both OSes, but not at that cost.
Anyway I voted no. Trevor is cool and all the best, but I'm afraid it's going to be too few's fun even if they get it pulled together finally.
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Well the whole point of the thread is just that I been reading a lot of message from users all picking faults with AmigaONE and OS4 in general, but from their tone it was hard to work out if they wanted to see it successful or if they just wanted the whole thing to fail. I just wanted to see how many really wanted the project to just fail and explain why.
I'm pleased to see so many not just wanting the idea or project to just fail, even if they think it completely daft/nuts/crazy etc. Thank you for your answers so far, even yours zylesea at least you explained your vote, I hope the other people who vote yes do as well. It might help understand what some people would like to see happen next (after the x1000 success or failure).
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No, why would anyone want to fail at something especially if its their passion and they stand to loose money.
You would have to be some sort of prick to wish that
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I really want it to be a succeed, and even if it breaks even it paves the the way forward for a whole new line of AmigaOne's which is a good thing. :)
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Who wants someone's positive effort to fail?
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I'm pleased to see so many not just wanting the idea or project to just fail, even if they think it completely daft/nuts/crazy etc. Thank you for your answers so far, even yours zylesea at least you explained your vote, I hope the other people who vote yes do as well. It might help understand what some people would like to see happen next (after the x1000 success or failure).
I like to add, that I would be happy if X1000 was really successful. I like all Amiga stuff and I still like ppc. And in particular the PA6T is a nice chip. My vote with 'yes' was a bit blunt though. Somewhenre deep in my heart I don't wish then to fail, but I don't think they will not fail. And then I am better for a quick end.
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Who wants someone's positive effort to fail?
This
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Odd question I thought, but anyway I voted NO not sure why anyone would wish this project to fail... :)
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Fail to do what?
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Fail to do what?
Who Knows... :)
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"All in all I think it would be best if OS4 jumps to x86 or ARM."
Totally agree. ARM would be my vote if it can outperform x86 in the future.
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I don't want it to fail, but I don't expect it to do otherwise and won't be shedding any tears if it does. If the actual retail price is anywhere even approaching the figures they were quoting, I have a hard time seeing how they'll sell enough units to keep things going beyond an initial production run (unless the vast majority of that is markup, in which case I would want them to fail, just out of spite.)
But I'm really not invested one way or the other - PPC hardware and software bores me and I have no interest in OS4, so I'll just keep waiting for NatAmi and praying that it will have a price tag somewhat less than "one semester at a small college."
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No, but I certainly won't be buying one.
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I don't want it to fail. I just want it to be affordable to all...
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Who wants someone's positive effort to fail?
Precisely. You'd have to be pretty mean-spirited to want someone's hard efforts to bring hardware to the market to be in vain.
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seems there are 6 such c u next tuesdays here
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It's on the fail track no matter what I think. I won't deny I'm having a fun time watching it fail though!
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senseless poll really because we already know who wishes bad karma on anything AmigaOS on this site so what's the point:confused:
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Whos that ?
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I voted no. I won't be buying it but I would like to see it sell well for folks that want a fast OS4 machine.
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Just because some/ alot of people are very vocal about how crazy the x1000 is and the price, and how they wont be buying it , does not mean they want someone with a visions and a dream and hardwork to fail.
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Whos that ?
just look up some old threads that are AmigaOS4.x related and you'll very soon find out who;)..heck even very recent ones:afro:
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Just because some/ alot of people are very vocal about how crazy the x1000 is and the price, and how they wont be buying it , does not mean they want someone with a visions and a dream and hardwork to fail.
fair enough mate:)...though some times the bashing says otherwise
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Precisely. You'd have to be pretty mean-spirited to want someone's hard efforts to bring hardware to the market to be in vain.
I honestly don't think anyone here is "mean-spirited" enough to want any company to fail or their work to be in vain. I think it's just folks expressing their opinions on things and the way some of these companies go about promoting their products... :)
I bet many folk probably think I want CUSA to fail, but I've said it before I don't wish them any harm in their business venture, I just wish they would go about the naming of their products a bit better... :)
Heck my first post on their FaceBook page was this and I got ruddy well banned because of it... :(
I don't wish to see CUSAs demise I just wish they would make it clear to potential purchasers that these are nothing more than a PC running an emulator in a customised case. CUSA are using the brand names to lure folk into buying what they believe will be genuine original Commodore built machines which they are not (ie: they do not contain in any manner the original Amiga or C64 custom chip sets).
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I voted no, and wish Trevor/AEON the best of luck with it.
I personally am not interested in it, as I have no desire to ever run OS4 again and the price/performance ratio is just stupid, if it was half the price i would consider it as a ppc Linux box but would probably buy a quad core G5 mac second hand.
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i voted no, all the best to AEON
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Voted No... I want at least one of them and a couple om SAM460 :)
I don't get why anyone who attends an amiga forum would vote no or be so anti-amiga...
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Ok, I'll be the total pessimist. The poll should have read, "Has the X1000 already failed?"
To which I might say, yes. Because I can not think of a more stubborn company that at all occasions chooses to avoid any obvious and easy routes to secure customers and sales of hardware or software.
They are on a vision quest. Not a business quest.
Besides, executing thoughtfully and becoming a success would really break with tradition. We wouldn't know what to do.
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Besides, executing thoughtfully and becoming a success would really break with tradition. We wouldn't know what to do.
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So very true, we are all caught in the the Deja vu of seeing Amiga rise and fall like the tide. Personally I voted No and wish Trev all the best and hope it does become a success. I think that freescales multi-core CPUs 64-bit dual core, 2.2 GHz P5020 and the 8-core, 1.5GHz P4080 would have been a better choice of PPC from the start IMHO, but it is his company. One Day I would love to see an ARM based Amiga :D
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Although it would not be my preferred solution I wish it the best, as rarely do you see the terms "Amiga" and "Success" in the same sentence these days. Any solution which can do so deserves to be applauded.
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well, really i think the question is less whether anyone wishes x1k to fail, but perhaps if it actually failed already. as there is no substantial coverage on this subject since the a1k has been demoed in summer, the question arises, has it really been *x1k* that has been "demoed" and if yes why it couldnt be released yet, at least to beta testers. the reason might be the major design bugs followed by complete redesign, as it was in case of natami. the difference is thomas hirsch has openly admitted the new board/memory controller has to be designed from the scratch, and doing all that single handedly in his free time of course cannot compare to a professional company like varisys, experienced in bringing up the products, i believe. i dont want to restart conspiracy rumours, but all this really doesnt add up for me. am i this dumb?
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Well I hope they at least make their investment back plus a bit. Wild success looks like a long shot though unless they're holding back on something.
Plaz
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Hell no, I don't want to see it fail, but they *are* kind of sealing their own fate pricing it the way they are. When it does fail and gets discontinued, it'll be nice to snag it up at a great discount and like Cammy mentioned, it'd be nice if MorphOS was ported to it.
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I dont want it to fail, but in its current shape, it will, no matter what anyone wishes (Business 101).
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I voted 'yes', and I'll be honest about it too. Should the A1X1K fail to deliver, the comments from the hardcore red folks should be endlessly entertaining. I won't feel the lest bit sorry for anyone who lost money, nobody was forced to play this game.
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I vote pancakes.
Honestly, the writing is on the wall. It's almost a year since the 'What is X?' hype crap started, the Xena-Xorro hype, it's very expensive, the prepaid beta test program, it comes with a OS that probably doesn't support all the hardware out of the box (maybe later). It's starting to smell like vaporware.
I really don't care if it fails or not, I'm not going to buy the X1000 or OS4, there are cheaper and better options available.
BTW, I don't see the MorphOS team porting MorphOS to the X1000. What's the point? They are allready working on bringing MorphOS to the Apple G5 and Powerbook (both allready demod on various meetings).
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Why would anybody want the X1000 to fail??
I think it's bloody great, but without winning the lottery, I'll probably never own one.
Really hope it succeeds, and you cant blame people for being a bit cynical!!
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Plus Trev seems like a genuinely decent guy. That counts for a lot as well, the amount of scumbags there are in the Amiga scene over the last 12 years
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I dont want it to fail, but in its current shape, it will, no matter what anyone wishes (Business 101).
I have to agree, I don't *want* it to fail, but it will. If they'd released it last summer (the target date) AND it had worked properly, in the other words the OS supported ALL of the chipset's functions (SATA, 16xPCI-e and both cores) then it probably would have sold in reasonable numbers even at a high price.
It will be interesting to see what happens next, I think that Hyperion have a lot more riding on this than people realize (their credibility for example).
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Missing who cares option...
Yes... a who cares option is the best option at this case.
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Voted no.
If people want OS and he fastest machine to run it on then why not. Sure the better option was there if only they asked IBM but still no worse £/performance than SAM460 and not everyone cares about MOS.
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Yes... a who cares option is the best option at this case.
Why do people care to publicly state they don't care :roflmao:
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Its an opinion like yours...
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I voted "no". I hope it does workout. A lower price would be nice. Maybe some new lower priced cpu will come over the horizon soon.
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How about this for a fun poll:
Would you be more inclined to purchase an X1000 if you could run MorphOS on it?
Although I could probably never afford one, that would make it the ultimate machine for me being able to run both OSs. Getting Aros ported to it would be nice too, and is probably more likely.
Yes, I agree with Cammy and feel the same way about ther SAM460EX as well.
MorphoS and Ubuntu, NOT AOS4.
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I hope it doesn't fail. But i suppose it depends on how you define failure.
On one hand i wouldn't even think about spending the kind of money they will be asking for the performance specs they have provided. So in that regard they will "fail". But on the other hand for the kind of money they are asking for it i would expect the motherboards to be handmade and autographed. That sounds real classy to me and far from being a failure :)
So i guess i'm saying for the amount of money you would have to pay for it, it isn't for the performance but for the quality.
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I BELIEVE :afro::uzi:
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I BELIEVE
You wouldn't happen to be ex-Nortel, would you??
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You wouldn't happen to be ex-Nortel, would you??
nope just love the X1000 poster with "I Believe' at the bottom of it:)..oh and liked the old X-FILES show too;)
Trevor is a great guy to be heading up A-Eon and he is an active member in the community donating to bounties and always showing up at the Amiga shows so I've no doubt that the X1000 will be here :afro:
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nope just love the X1000 poster with "I Believe' at the bottom of it:)..oh and liked the old X-FILES show too;)
Trevor is a great guy to be heading up A-Eon and he is an active member in the community donating to bounties and always showing up at the Amiga shows so I've no doubt that the X1000 will be here :afro:
Yea, it's pretty fucked up that some people actually hope this thing fails, and he's hundreds of thousands of pounds out of pocket.
Some sickos on here.
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nope just love the X1000 poster with "I Believe' at the bottom of it:)..oh and liked the old X-FILES show too;)
Trevor is a great guy to be heading up A-Eon and he is an active member in the community donating to bounties and always showing up at the Amiga shows so I've no doubt that the X1000 will be here :afro:
"i believe..." so now after more than a year i finally got what that "x" was all about. seems it is a thing to be believed and has so much relevance i the real world as the x-files, which is i think quite dumb, boring and repetitive series despite its cult status. but this is pretty much the same about other cults.
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and has so much relevance i the real world as the x-files, which is i think quite dumb, boring and repetitive series despite its cult status..
Hold it, Hold it a bit there mister...
The X-files was a terrific show for the first couple of seasons. Later they became repetitive(government, aliens, aliens, government...) and when they moved production to California that was the final straw. But the first few seasons are a masterpiece.
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Hold it, Hold it a bit there mister...
The X-files was a terrific show for the first couple of seasons. Later they became repetitive(government, aliens, aliens, government...)
I can't disagree with that. The show was far more entertaining when it was a different story every week with the occasional recurring character (Eugene Victor Tombs, for example). The whole alien conspiracy thing grew very boring very quickly.
Fringe has sort of picked up the original flavour to a degree, though you have to suspend your disbelief since many of the ideas are so far-fetched...
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Hold it, Hold it a bit there mister...
The X-files was a terrific show for the first couple of seasons. Later they became repetitive(government, aliens, aliens, government...) and when they moved production to California that was the final straw. But the first few seasons are a masterpiece.
gotta agree with you there..once the production left BC, Canada it was all hollywood after that
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I hope they do well. As a realist however, I would be surprised if they even come close to breaking even. And I am a guy that shelled out well over $1000 for a SAM 440 (with case, PSU, drives, and OS 4). I was very interested in the x1000 when the news broke, same with the SAM 460. I really do enjoy buggering around with my SAM. It's a true pleasure to use, but the costs for this modern hardware is about 5x what is acceptable.
I've suddenly come to the horrible realization that even if my OS 4.1u2 SAM was 9000ghz and had all the promises like the x1000 seems to have on paper, and it could give me a foot massage and all that magical lore the x1000 is advertising - I'm still stuck with subpar OS that is not currently capable of doing what the common man needs a PC to do daily. Outdated OS4 browsers have me reaching for my iPhone to take up the slack, the SW simply isn't there.
The price point is absolutely insane for 99.99% of their market - which is the hobby user. People won't pay $2500 for nostalgia factor, but that being said, I hope the enthusiastic coders writing for OS4 keep coding and the platform/OS makes headway. I enjoy my SAM, and won't be selling it anytime soon, but I'm also not delusional enough to think it can even come close to most "smart" phones in regards to daily use - and daily use in a broad "what most people need to do in 2011" way.
As much as I was put off by the fanboyish MorphOS guys constantly shit talking OS4, it's about dollars and cents, people. I was very interested in the X1000 originally - until the price was mentioned, and had planned on picking up a SAM 460 until the retail price was released a few days ago. I now see how attractive the cheapie Mac's and MorphOS are now.
I picked up a Mac Mini for $48 Canadian dollars including shipping off eBay earlier today. Assuming I like the MorphOS experience once the Mac gets here, it'll cost me $200 (CAD) total investment with the MorphOS reg fee including all the hardware. If I don't enjoy MorphOS, I can simply use the Mini with the Mac OS or Linux. It's very hard to argue against the commodity hardware (old PPC mac's, AROS boxes) aspect when it is a $2500 (x1000/OS 4) vs. a $200 (Mac/MorphOS) situation.
I wish the X1000 the best, but it's sort of a "best of luck, but at that price, you're gonna need more than just luck" deal, lol.
Just my 2 bits, anyways. Everyone here can probably universally agree that the pricepoint of the X1000 is a huge stumbling block in regards to how it will be accepted.
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I BELIEVE :afro::uzi:
You believe in big afros, wearing bandanas and firing uzis?
:rofl:
EDIT: Oops, I forgot about the shades...
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What sort of person would be a member of Amiga.org and desire for anything related to the Amiga legacy to fail? I know some prefer OS 4 over MorphOS and vice versa. And some really take to AROS, but why for the love of midget sex would you want anything Amiga to fail?
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Yea, it's pretty fucked up that some people actually hope this thing fails, and he's hundreds of thousands of pounds out of pocket.
Some sickos on here.
Well I'm not hoping it will fail, but it will fail if it's price is too high.
Amiga's are just a hobby for the most of us and over 1500 euro's for a machine that is just going to run OS4.1 is a bit of price tag for a hobby machine.
Yeah maybe sell my Cyberstorm and Cybervision, I would be 2/3 there I guess :)
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. It's very hard to argue against the commodity hardware (old PPC mac's, AROS boxes) aspect when it is a $2500 (x1000/OS 4) vs. a $200 (Mac/MorphOS) situation.
I wouldn't be shocked by the time all the parts are added up and AmiKit's cut, that the final retail price (hardware, OS and shipping) will be around $3000 USD or a bit higher.
wish the X1000 the best, but it's sort of a "best of luck, but at that price, you're gonna need more than just luck" deal, lol.
Just my 2 bits, anyways. Everyone here can probably universally agree that the pricepoint of the X1000 is a huge stumbling block in regards to how it will be accepted.
That is why it's not a real competitor to SAMs. It's either you can afford one or you can't, end of story.
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Well I'm not hoping it will fail, but it will fail if it's price is too high.
Amiga's are just a hobby for the most of us and over 1500 euro's for a machine that is just going to run OS4.1 is a bit of price tag for a hobby machine.
Yeah maybe sell my Cyberstorm and Cybervision, I would be 2/3 there I guess :)
It's "North of 1,500 GBP" and not in EUROs.
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Does it matter what currency it's expressed in? As far as I'm concerned it's north of too damn much. :)
A shame, really, as I'd love to invest in Amiga again, but not at that price.
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I can't really understand the attitude of those (admittedly few if the poll is to be believed) that want it to fail. Not liking OS4 is fine if you prefer the alternatives, but Trev seems a decent bloke that's put a his time, effort and cash into the project.
Believing it is too expensive and will surely fail as a consequence is a fair opinion but wanting it to fail is just spiteful, plain and simple.
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What sort of person would be a member of Amiga.org and desire for anything related to the Amiga legacy to fail?
I think the question is not phrased very well. Dunno about the other 12 ppl (yet) who voted 'yes', but I did because I think this x1000 project is like approaching a wall with a car on full speed and still accelerating...
Early this milenium the approach of new ppc hardware was okay (Genesi did a rother good job on this), but since Apple left ppc it is more than difficult in ppc land. There are options but they are very different to the X1000 approach (I think Acube does is a bit more on track, but still there is *a lot* in particular highly debateable with their approach, but at least it is way better than the A-eon approach).
All in all the boat has sailed pretty much, it is important to change the strategy. The sooner the better. Hence, the earlier the X1000 fiasco gets overcome the better. IMHO überexpensive delayed mid-class hardware (for which it is doubtful when and if drivers will work sufficiently, look to the recent problems of the Sams) is just not the way forward.
I would be pretty interested if the other 'yes' voters see the things similar or if they had other reasons to vote 'yes'.
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@ Karlos
Can't you change the poll thingy so that in future it's not longer just an option to see who voted for what, that way the culprits will be exposed for being such rotters...
(Posted this one in the wrong thread any chance you can remove it from the other thread... :))
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@Franko
Huh?
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@Franko
Huh?
When a you start a poll you have the option to make the voters names show up in the poll, so instead of being optional can't it be made so that whatever a person votes on their name shows up beside their chosen vote... simples... :)
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No, why would anyone want to fail at something especially if its their passion and they stand to loose money.
You would have to be some sort of prick to wish that
Sorry JJ, couldn't resist after I found this wee link... :roflmao:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=576352&postcount=6 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=576352&postcount=6)
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Maybe, just maybe, enough nuts will buy this to get the price to drop and really start something (again). Who knows.
At this juncture, the only way I will ever afford one is if I hit PowerBall!
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@motrucker: for now even hardcore os4 fans start to hesitate. i ve heard of none that has declared immediate interest. the same or worse will happen to x1k if it ever emerges. so chances are tiny.
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When a you start a poll you have the option to make the voters names show up in the poll, so instead of being optional can't it be made so that whatever a person votes on their name shows up beside their chosen vote... simples... :)
Anonymous ballots are a cornerstone of our democracy, I heard :D
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maybe just maybe A-Eon will sell only the MB because most of us already have a custom case, HD's, videor cards etc. to make a beautiful system with less cost....at least I know I do & hope they choose this option !
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hrmm.. on second thought discounts are not usually likely as long as there is demand, but on redundant goods. so maybe there is hope after all.
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Why would anyone want it to fail? Unless they have some irrational hatred of OS4?
The X1000 wont set the world on fire but I think AEON fully understand this. I think the Amiga scene is much bigger that the posters on AW.net so expect it'll at least break even and maybe make some profit. It's really at the limit people can afford and many can't afford it, but I also think AEON fully understand this.
If the hardware and drivers have been done properly it should be a really nice machine. The PA-Semi CPU is certainly promising and it has a memory system potentially fast as a top end MacBook Pro.
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You believe in big afros, wearing bandanas and firing uzis?
:rofl:
EDIT: Oops, I forgot about the shades...
:roflmao:No Hans more like I BELIEVE & I'm cool about it and frak all the naysayers..
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The show was far more entertaining when it was a different story every week with the occasional recurring character (Eugene Victor Tombs, for example). The whole alien conspiracy thing grew very boring very quickly.
+10!
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Sorry JJ, couldn't resist after I found this wee link... :roflmao:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=576352&postcount=6
:laughing:dang Franko for a certified nut you sure make sense every once in a while
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even if the X1000 doesn't become a big deal, there's new SAM boards coming out, so OS4 will tick along just fine.
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I voted yes, even though lots of para is invested into this project I think it is not what the Amiga we all want is about.
So we want a 2000 dollar "hobby system" or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
If Apple could do it so could we, but without strong leadership we are going nowhere.
If X1000 flops and Hyperion runs out of money, perhaps OS falls into new hands with leadership who can vision AmigaOS in the future along the path it was on back in 1994 -to stand beside and in front of Windows not behind- but now in the new millenium.
And even if X1000 flops and OS4.x goes to hell I think we pure Amiga hardcore users wins in the end, that means AROS will keep the torch burning and there will be no confusion what is the no1 NG AmigaOS.
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So we want a 2000 dollar "hobby system" or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
If Apple could do it so could we, but without strong leadership we are going nowhere.
I'm sorry, I must have missed the point in history where apple "took out Windows on the desktop". Could you enlighten us as to when that actually happened? I think someone must have forgotten to inform those many system manufacturers that are still shipping PCs pre-installed with Windows that this OS is no longer relevant, to say nothing of people building their own :lol:
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Errm Karlos, are you sure he didn't mean "taking on Windows" as in making an os that is competitive with Windows like Apple did?
I didn't know you can take out Windows on a desktop... :confused:
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Errm Karlos, are you sure he didn't mean "taking on Windows" as in making an os that is competitive with Windows like Apple did
They did? Last time I checked, there were vastly more Windows installations out there than OSX ones, totalling around 85% of the "web client" market share*. Might have something to do with the fact that Windows, for all it's many sins, isn't tied to a single hardware vendor.
*this is basically a measurement based on browser user agent strings, which isn't that reliable due to spoofing (and other issues), but should be roughly ball-park. If anything, the figure is likely to be higher since many business PCs running windows are operating behind strict firewall rules that limit their access or are blocked from accessing the internet all together.
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I was thinking Apple were competitive against Windows in performance not market share.
Besides in my opinion Apple are a more successful company than Microsoft because they only a single company whereas Microsoft need many (hundreds?) of companies to make Windows successful. Maybe my opinion is oriented towards popular culture which i think everyone here will agree that osx has dominance :)
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So we want a 2000 dollar "hobby system" or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
I'll pass on both.
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Actually Kesa thats very true. Microsoft's future and game plan (even now) relied(es) squarely on hardware manufacturers, the clone wars, driving down prices of IBM PCs.
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Microsoft rocks!
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Microsoft rocks!
Oooo... you big S&!T stirrer.... :roflmao:
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or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
And...
I think we pure Amiga hardcore users wins in the end, that means AROS will keep the torch burning and there will be no confusion what is the no1 NG AmigaOS.
AROS taking out Windows on the desktop. Priceless.
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I can't really understand the attitude of those (admittedly few if the poll is to be believed) that want it to fail. Not liking OS4 is fine if you prefer the alternatives, but Trev seems a decent bloke that's put a his time, effort and cash into the project.
Believing it is too expensive and will surely fail as a consequence is a fair opinion but wanting it to fail is just spiteful, plain and simple.
Here Here !
Finger on the banning button. Eyes down.....
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So we want a 2000 dollar "hobby system" or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
Worse then $2000 USD. Going by what Trevor said, "North of 1500 GBP" that means at 1,500 GBP = $2389 USD with today's rates. If it's close to 1,900 GBP would hit over $3,000 USD which maybe realistic once you adding in shipping fees (and whatever import fees) to the USA since North American customers won't have to pay England's VAT (20%?).
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These 15 votes that they want that AmigaONE X1000 project to fail, show us there are Amiga users that they are bad people, and well, I don't think that people are, but perhaps the same people that want new Pegasos?
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So we want a 2000 dollar "hobby system" or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
Gah, I am so sick of this notion. Why do people think we have to play at this "well, my market share is bigger than your market share" game? Why do some people think their burning need to slay the industry giant is more important than maintaining a unique identity? I'm not really a fan of Hyperion and there's no way in hell I'd pay that kind of money for a system even if I could afford it, but at least they're not going with this "we have to become exactly like the competition in order to best them, nothing else will do" crap. What's wrong with having a less powerful but unique and interesting system in a niche market?
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Besides in my opinion Apple are a more successful company than Microsoft because they only a single company whereas Microsoft need many (hundreds?) of companies to make Windows successful. Maybe my opinion is oriented towards popular culture which i think everyone here will agree that osx has dominance :)
Not in my opinion. If I had to choose only between Apple and Microsoft, then I would choose Microsoft over Apple any day, easily :afro:
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remember guys, proprietary software is theft.
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These 15 votes that they want that AmigaONE X1000 project to fail, show us there are Amiga users that they are bad people, and well, I don't think that people are, but perhaps the same people that want new Pegasos?
Lets not play the demonization hand of those who voted against your wishes. Perhaps it's time for you to open a dialog on why they view things in such a manner instead of attempting to censor their POV by demonizing them?
And no, I did not vote as I did not see a pancakes option!
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Lets not play the demonization hand of those who voted against your wishes. Perhaps it's time for you to open a dialog on why they view things in such a manner instead of attempting to censor their POV by demonizing them?
And no, I did not vote as I did not see a pancakes option!
Wowsers....:eek:
Randy, Randy, dear dear Randy... that's a bit rich coming from someone who agrees with CUSA that because some folks points of view on FaceBook doesn't match CUSAs viewpoint it's fine to censor those folk by deleting their POVs without any decency to respond to them... :rolleyes:
and who likes to go about airing totally absurd reasons why he doesn't think someone has only been on the internet since last June, kinda one rule for you and different rules for everyone else... eh... ;)
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=609442&postcount=183
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I voted no.
Its two very different projects.
Want to see both turnout well.
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They did? Last time I checked, there were vastly more Windows installations out there than OSX ones, totalling around 85% of the "web client" market share*. Might have something to do with the fact that Windows, for all it's many sins, isn't tied to a single hardware vendor.
*this is basically a measurement based on browser user agent strings, which isn't that reliable due to spoofing (and other issues), but should be roughly ball-park. If anything, the figure is likely to be higher since many business PCs running windows are operating behind strict firewall rules that limit their access or are blocked from accessing the internet all together.
Apple shipped more than PC sales recently in the USA IIRC.
The legacy of Win-PC dominance will take ages to topple.
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Apple shipped more than PC sales recently in the USA IIRC.
The legacy of Win-PC dominance will take ages to topple.
How do you even measure PC sales? Everybody I know builds their own, at least when it comes to their home systems,
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How do you even measure PC sales? Everybody I know builds their own, at least when it comes to their home systems,
I imagine there has to be sales figures for windows at least.
Of course PC does not equal windows. Any market share numbers tend to be highly problematic regardless of methods used.
In the end though, it doesn't matter. "amiga' in whatever form it takes doesn't need to topple anything. It just needs to survive.
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In the end though, it doesn't matter. "amiga' in whatever form it takes doesn't need to topple anything. It just needs to survive.
Truesay.
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Not in my opinion. If I had to choose only between Apple and Microsoft, then I would choose Microsoft over Apple any day, easily :afro:
For the record i despise Apple. I hate the arrogance of closing in the users and i think their products are massively overpriced and overrated.
If you really want to know i am a Sony fanboy. I have been since i bought my first Playstation 15 years ago. Maybe fanboy is the wrong term as i think Sony is a bastard company so i will describe myself as brand loyal only. If i ever buy another laptop it's going to be the VAIO which i really like :)
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According to Wikipedia* osx has a 6.82% marketshare and Windows is 84.97% :rtfm:
* Wikipedia is my source of all knowledge :)
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I voted no, because if more X1000s are sold this increases the chances of someone writing an X1000 emulator.
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you hope for an emulator of something that doesnt yet exist? perhaps there is first amigaone, pegasos, and samantha emulator to write?
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For the record i despise Apple. I hate the arrogance of closing in the users and i think their products are massively overpriced and overrated.
If you really want to know i am a Sony fanboy. I have been since i bought my first Playstation 15 years ago. Maybe fanboy is the wrong term as i think Sony is a bastard company so i will describe myself as brand loyal only. If i ever buy another laptop it's going to be the VAIO which i really like :)
I cant really get myself to hate Apple. MS is as bad in virtually every regard as far as I figure. Easier to vote with my wallet and ignore both.
I do agree with you on Sony though. I have rarely been disappointed with a purchase of a Sony product, at least as far as hardware goes.
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For the record i despise Apple. I hate the arrogance of closing in the users and i think their products are massively overpriced and overrated.
+ 1,000,000,000:hammer:
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I'm still stuck with subpar OS that is not currently capable of doing what the common man needs a PC to do daily.
I think the "common man" - even if his hobby is Amiga - already has at least one x86-PC "capable of doing what he needs a PC to do daily".
Outdated OS4 browsers have me reaching for my iPhone to take up the slack, the SW simply isn't there.
Hmmmm - my main system still is OS3.9/WarpOS16.1 and on it I'm using IBrowse 2.4. Most of the sites I visit render fine.
And if there really is something I cannot get done on the Miggy in a timely manner, I switch on the XP-PC underneath my desk and remote control it with RDesktop from my A4kPPC...
The price point is absolutely insane for 99.99% of their market - which is the hobby user.
People won't pay $2500 for nostalgia factor,
What's wrong with your memory?
Trevor said from the very beginning that the A1 X1k IS NOT for the average user, but for geeks and devs.
Which of the two tiny words didn't you understand: "is" or "not"?
but that being said, I hope the enthusiastic coders writing for OS4 keep coding and the platform/OS makes headway.
I guess that is the intention: to give the devs the necessary HW to develoop the OS towards 64 Bit capability and SMP capability.
I enjoy my SAM, and won't be selling it anytime soon,
The same goes for my A4kPPC.
but I'm also not delusional enough to think it can even come close to most "smart" phones in regards to daily use - and daily use in a broad "what most people need to do in 2011" way.
My way of "daily use" does certainly NOT depend on "what most people need to do in 2011", but rather on what I need to do at present.
As much as I was put off by the fanboyish MorphOS guys constantly shit talking OS4, it's about dollars and cents, people. I was very interested in the X1000 originally - until the price was mentioned, and had planned on picking up a SAM 460 until the retail price was released a few days ago.
Here it is more about Euros and Cents - but nevertheless.
Why were you "very interested in the X1k originally" - are you a geek or a developer?
As this is the target audience for the A1 X1k, according to Trevor...
I now see how attractive the cheapie Mac's and MorphOS are now.
Fine - then do yourself a favour and get one - I'll possibly do that as well...
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It's very hard to argue against the commodity hardware (old PPC mac's, AROS boxes) aspect when it is a $2500 (x1000/OS 4) vs. a $200 (Mac/MorphOS) situation.
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You get it wrong all the time - it is NOT a $2500 (x1000/OS 4) vs. a $200 (Mac/MorphOS) situation, as the X1k never was meant for "the average Joe user".
Everyone here can probably universally agree that the pricepoint of the X1000 is a huge stumbling block in regards to how it will be accepted.
Everyone here can probably universally agree that constantly and prayer like repeating of unfunded nonsense (like "the A1 X1k is too expensive and will fail because of that") will not make it any more reasonable.
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Wowsers....:eek:
Randy, Randy, dear dear Randy... that's a bit rich coming from someone who agrees with CUSA that because some folks points of view on FaceBook doesn't match CUSAs viewpoint it's fine to censor those folk by deleting their POVs without any decency to respond to them... :rolleyes:
Franko, or who ever you really are, C=USA just wants to get their message out about their product they are selling. It's not up there for being slagged on by OS4 user(s). I do say it's a classic move that a OS4 user(s) gets C=USA to drop it's comment section by slagging them on their own page. If you want to go and voice your negative posts, commodore-amiga.org is more acceptable media since there is staff to monitor the postings of drama queens.
and who likes to go about airing totally absurd reasons why he doesn't think someone has only been on the internet since last June, kinda one rule for you and different rules for everyone else... eh... ;)
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=609442&postcount=183
I just prefer people being honest is all.
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These 15 votes that they want that AmigaONE X1000 project to fail, show us there are Amiga users that they are bad people, and well, I don't think that people are, but perhaps the same people that want new Pegasos?
I don't want a Pegasos, new or old.
But then again I didn't vote in the poll either - what I think doesn't matter.
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I think it is not what the Amiga we all want is about.
What do you know about the Amiga I want?
Nothing?
Then take a close look at the A1 X1k - THAT'S the Amiga I want!
So we want a 2000 dollar "hobby system"
Don't know about you - but yes, I want it.
or do we want a system worthy of establishing itself as a new mainstream OS and taking out Windows on the desktop?
LoL
How quixotic can one be?
:-D
If Apple could do it so could we, but without strong leadership we are going nowhere.
Yeah - a strong leader!
We have had a "strong leader" here in Germany roughly 70 years ago - and we all know where that led to...
;-)
If X1000 flops and Hyperion runs out of money,
What does the X1k have to do with Hyperion?
AEon is responsible for the A1 X1k project, Hyperion for the OS4.x.
Get your "facts" straight, man...
perhaps OS falls into new hands with leadership who can vision AmigaOS in the future along the path it was on back in 1994
Leadership like AInc. or C=usa?
LoL...
remind you:
1994 the Amiga and its OS were on the highway to hell - driven by Commodore's stupid managers...
-to stand beside and in front of Windows not behind- but now in the new millenium.
LoL!
What did you smoke - I'd like to have some of that stuff!
And even if X1000 flops and OS4.x goes to hell I think we pure Amiga hardcore users wins in the end, that means AROS will keep the torch burning and there will be no confusion what is the no1 NG AmigaOS.
This brainless gibberish reminds me of the mental runs our "strong leader" honored Germany with rougly 70 years ago...
He was also dreaming of the "Wunderwaffen" and the "Endsieg", you know...
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I voted NO, for obvious reasons. ;-)
TrevorD
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I voted NO, for obvious reasons. ;-)
TrevorD
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao: :banana::banana::banana::roflmao::roflmao:
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I voted NO, for obvious reasons. ;-)
Yea, but yer kinda biased. ;)
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I don't want a Pegasos, new or old.
But then again I didn't vote in the poll either - what I think doesn't matter.
Why dont you want a pegasos? Because its not "official amiga"?...
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Why dont you want a pegasos? Because it not "official amiga"?...
No, I simply have no interest in it - although if one were given to me I would definitely check it out (with MOS). As far as it not being an official Amiga, that's fine in my opinion: MOS succeeds or fails on it's own merit without the Amiga name. Same goes for AROS. Too bad OS4 isn't the same way.
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I see... then, for you a SAM or x1000 is an amiga like a500 or a1200?
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I see... then, for you a SAM or x1000 is an amiga like a500 or a1200?
Absolutely not! I feel that OS4 is an Amiga-like OS, just as MOS and AROS are Amiga-like. There's nothing wrong with Amiga-like - IMO it's a tribute to the compelling nature of the Amiga that these OSes are even around. But, hardware that runs an Amiga-like OS is not an Amiga.
My disconnect with OS4 is the pilfering of the Amiga name. Not content to merely produce an Amiga-like OS, Hyperion wants to BE Amiga. But they have none of the traits that made the Amiga great, making them the very worst variety of poser.
I'm surprised you didn't know this about me. :D
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I voted yes, since I felt bad that it was losing.
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Lets not play the demonization hand of those who voted against your wishes. Perhaps it's time for you to open a dialog on why they view things in such a manner instead of attempting to censor their POV by demonizing them?
And no, I did not vote as I did not see a pancakes option!
I dont' try to demonize to nobody, only that there are people what not want that the other option we have new hardware, and I said Pegasos, because they are very radicals, from my own experience.
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I dont' try to demonize to nobody, only that there are people what not want that the other option we have new hardware, and I said Pegasos, because they are very radicals, from my own experience.
OMG, you just did it again. I don't know why your picking on a out dated mobo owners when it could be just as likely to be NatAmi or AROS or even SAM supporters.