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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on January 27, 2011, 01:56:22 AM
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after a good afternoon working on it, I finally got my wireless card to work, and aweb to coorperate.
after disabling images, it actually runs a lot better than I hadimagined. The forum looks a bit butchered but its workable.
Still need to figure out how to make YAM and an MSN client work but hey, i'm one step closer now!
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after a good afternoon working on it, I finally got my wireless card to work, and aweb to coorperate.
after disabling images, it actually runs a lot better than I hadimagined. The forum looks a bit butchered but its workable.
Still need to figure out how to make YAM and an MSN client work but hey, i'm one step closer now!
Awesome! I bet there's a version of Lynx out there for the miggy - that might work awesome as well! I've posted to Amiga.org from lynx before.
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after a good afternoon working on it, I finally got my wireless card to work, and aweb to coorperate.
after disabling images, it actually runs a lot better than I hadimagined. The forum looks a bit butchered but its workable.
Still need to figure out how to make YAM and an MSN client work but hey, i'm one step closer now!
Cool, what classic system did you say you were using? And what wireless card?
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@ Runequester
Any chance you could make a video of your Amiga running the net and post it on YouTube... :)
Might just encourage me to finally do so myself if I could only see for myself the Amiga running a browser and just how much or little it can do... :)
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I dont actually have a camera, other than my very crappy cell phone, unfortunately :(
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I don't have a camera either my YouTube videos are captured by hooking the Amiga up the DVD recorder in my Living room and the burning them to DVD and then I use the Mac to upload them... :)
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yeah, no such option here. I dont even have a cd rom for her yet, though that wont be too far off I imagine.
Managed to get sabremsn to work, at least for now. Increasing the stack significantly seems to help
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No I don't mean a cd rom or dvd player on the Amiga, I mean the DVD recorder under the telly in your living room that you use to record TV progs (the modern version of a video recorder)... :)
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Hey Franko,
Now that I've found out that Amiga 1200s can be expanded with 48Mhz '030s and even 80Mhz '060 I'm suddenly interested in buying some retro hardware.
What web browsers work on Amigas. I've gotten spoiled by OWB, but I can adapt to something cruder.
BTW - Nice to have you back.
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theres a few, but they will feel pretty primitive. If you have a machine with RTG, life might be easier.
As far as recording stuff, my miggy is PAL, and I live in NTSC land, so im not sure thatd be an option, or at least work well, even if I had the equipment (my dvd player at the moment is an aging PS2)
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I use screen capture software on the PC: Hyperionics. On WinUAE there is a built-in recorder. Is there no screen capture for Amiga?
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As far as browsers for classic amigas go, they're functional, but definately considerable room for improvement. The 3 main options Id suggest are probably IBrowse2.4, Aweb, and Voyager. Apart from that there's also Netsurf, which while a little quirky works reasonably well, although needs a gfx card (sdl based). Additionally there's a port of OWB, but not only is it sdl based, but its even slower than netsurf, and is probably unusable on anything but an emulated 68k cpu. That said, and despite being rough around the edges I find it's quite useful on my amithlon box and is very fast once the pages have fully loaded.
An indirect route is to use on the 68k mac os browsers inside shapeshifter or similar. Theyre obviously pretty outdated as well, but do offer a little bit more modern a browsing experience in terms of page rendering. Netsurf and iCab are probably the 2 best choices for that route.
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I use screen capture software on the PC: Hyperionics. On WinUAE there is a built-in recorder. Is there no screen capture for Amiga?
Good question actually
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As far as browsers for classic amigas go, they're functional, but definately considerable room for improvement. The 3 main options Id suggest are probably IBrowse2.4, Aweb, and Voyager. Apart from that there's also Netsurf, which while a little quirky works reasonably well, although needs a gfx card (sdl based). Additionally there's a port of OWB, but not only is it sdl based, but its even slower than netsurf, and is probably unusable on anything but an emulated 68k cpu. That said, and despite being rough around the edges I find it's quite useful on my amithlon box and is very fast once the pages have fully loaded.
An indirect route is to use on the 68k mac os browsers inside shapeshifter or similar. Theyre obviously pretty outdated as well, but do offer a little bit more modern a browsing experience in terms of page rendering. Netsurf and iCab are probably the 2 best choices for that route.
How do you think OWB would work on a 48Mhz '030 or a 50 to 80Mhz '060.?
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Hey Franko,
Now that I've found out that Amiga 1200s can be expanded with 48Mhz '030s and even 80Mhz '060 I'm suddenly interested in buying some retro hardware.
What web browsers work on Amigas. I've gotten spoiled by OWB, but I can adapt to something cruder.
BTW - Nice to have you back.
Erm... can't answer that for you, never had a miggie online before, but after finally last week disassembling AWeb and currently in the process of converting it to re-assemble this time in true 68K (Not C like the original is written in) I've allready spotted a couple of hundred optimisations that can be made to it that should speed it up a wee bit... :)
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I use screen capture software on the PC: Hyperionics. On WinUAE there is a built-in recorder. Is there no screen capture for Amiga?
Plenty of static screen grab programs, but I've never managed to find a movie capture type of prog for the Amiga, that's why I have to resort to using the DVD recorder, it does a good quality job though... :)
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Ahhh all this talk of surfing the net on an Amiga really makes me miss my '060 A4000T :( That was great for Websurfing.
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How do you think OWB would work on a 48Mhz '030 or a 50 to 80Mhz '060.?
To be honest even on an '060 + rtg it'd be a bit of a last resort. While it works reasonably it is pretty rough around the edges. Pages need to fully load before if becomes responsive on my amithlon box even, so in its current state I cant imagine it being very fun on an '060 machine. It has saved me needing to resort to aros owb or a Windows browser when all other amiga browsers have failed me, but that's about the best I can say for it. It works, renders pages nicely and with decent functionality, but probably not an option on a real classic Amiga.
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so got the demo of Ibrowse installed and I must say it isn't toobad at all :)
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I've posted this before but here's a screen capture of iBrowse running on my 50Mhz 68030:-
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=14975080&l=c77753faff&id=546790172
Edit: Also another of the actual machine ...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=17110328&l=3aaaae5c89&id=546790172
It works, is reasonably fast, but obviously doesn't do CSS. Did someone have a proxy configured to do some magic here?
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I've posted this before but here's a screen capture of iBrowse running on my 50Mhz 68030:-
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=14975080&l=c77753faff&id=546790172
Edit: Also another of the actual machine ...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=17110328&l=3aaaae5c89&id=546790172
It works, is reasonably fast, but obviously doesn't do CSS. Did someone have a proxy configured to do some magic here?
Thanks for those pics... :) (would still like to see a Video of it in action though)
Reckon it's time to buy one of those net cards (if AmigaKit have any in that is) and give it whirl on my 060, any recommendations for which card to buy as I've heard the wireless ones are pretty slow... :)
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Hi Franko,
There's usually a number of PCMCIA ethernet cards available on amibay. I believe most old (16 bit PCMCIA, NOT Cardbus) 3com cards will work too (so probably easy to find for a few quid on ebay).
Edit: This one is likely to work - but you'd need to check ... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3Com-Etherlink-III-Lan-PC-Card-PCMCIA-10BASE-T-Coax-/170594311818
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Hi Franko,
There's usually a number of PCMCIA ethernet cards available on amibay. I believe most old (16 bit PCMCIA, NOT Cardbus) 3com cards will work too (so probably easy to find for a few quid on ebay).
I'd noticed quite a few on ebay this week but not knowing much about them I wasn't sure, Id prefer to buy a new one from AmigaKit but they only have the wireless one now and MrMoonlight who bought one of each said the wireless on was pretty flaky compared to the wired one... :)
Need to have another look on ebay and try and decide which one is best... :)
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wireless is a lot more of a pain to set up, but I dont think mine is flaky at all. In fact, its been pretty rock solid so far.
You do need to have a wireless router of course.
Wireless is easier on a 1200 or 600, as you can use PCMCIA cards. There's ethernet cards for the zorro equipped miggy's but they require wire.
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wireless is a lot more of a pain to set up, but I dont think mine is flaky at all. In fact, its been pretty rock solid so far.
You do need to have a wireless router of course.
Wireless is easier on a 1200 or 600, as you can use PCMCIA cards. There's ethernet cards for the zorro equipped miggy's but they require wire.
I think I may just buy the wireless one and give it a try then, MrMoonLight (Brian) had never used an Amiga until a few months ago and I was helping him over the phone to try and set up his A1200 with HD etc...
I think he was having problems getting it right though, between my Scottish accent and trying to explain how to format HDs and install OS3.9, it's not quite so easy trying to explain things over the phone so maybe he just didn't set the wireless card up right... :)
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yeah, i'd say go for it. web browsing is tolerable for most things, you can use instant messaging pretty well, and it makes getting stuff off aminet a snap :)
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Think I'll head over to AmigaKit now and order one, I shouldn't really but heck after spending over £400 on Sunday on ebay for some old VIC20 & C64s and quite a few other bits n bobs what's difference is another 40 quid gonna make, it's only money after all... :)
(Need to go and get the 2 Vic20s and one of the C64s out of the bathtub after they arrived today, they were manky, should be nice & clean now though... :))
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I know it's cheating, but has anyone tried ICab 2.9 under shapeshifter? It's meant to have CSS and tabbed browsing as well.
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Thanks for those pics... :) (would still like to see a Video of it in action though)
I made this youtube last year to show how my recently acquired LCD monitor worked with some retrogaming hardware. At 6.15 you can see my 68030 50 MHz miggy 1200 accessing the net. It's loading this page (http://www.zonadepruebas.com/). You can compare the results. In the spanish-spoken voice-over I'm commenting how long it takes just to show the logo of the site ^_^'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7yt_OgDzs
(at 6.15 :) )
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Posting frmo iBrowse right now on my A1200 with an ACA1230/28.
This site is slow, I'm guessing because of the amount of Javascript.
Sites like aminet.net are fairly responsive, which is pretty much what I think will be the most used site from my 1200.
Also, in the other thread, there was talk about AWeb and images.
It works for me. For some reason tho (I'm guessing cookie related, I possibly disabled something) I couldn't stay logged in. It would say "Thank you for logging in" and then take me back not logged in..
But, it does work with images for me.
I'm using A-Web APL 3.4
desiv
p.s. Quick Reply doesn't work for me either..
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It works, is reasonably fast, but obviously doesn't do CSS. Did someone have a proxy configured to do some magic here?
That would be me :)
http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk
If you are using a smaller screen
http://aoproxy.extropia.co.uk/?sus=1
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I made this youtube last year to show how my recently acquired LCD monitor worked with some retrogaming hardware. At 6.15 you can see my 68030 50 MHz miggy 1200 accessing the net. It's loading this page (http://www.zonadepruebas.com/). You can compare the results. In the spanish-spoken voice-over I'm commenting how long it takes just to show the logo of the site ^_^'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T7yt_OgDzs
(at 6.15 :) )
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Thanks for that rockersuke... :)
Finally I've got see the speed an Amiga can browse the net... :)
Not dead slow but I don't think I could use it myself but then I suppose it also depends on what hardware your Amiga is using. Still, any optimisations I can make to AWeb can only be a good thing, I reckon... :)
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My machine seems much faster than this using iBrowse ... I'll try to record a video myself :)
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My machine seems much faster than this using iBrowse ... I'll try to record a video myself :)
I await that with eager anticipation... :)
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I don't know why no one has posted this link yet, and I feel terrible for letting this thread get this far before replying. Here is an outdated PCMCIA network card compatibility list:
http://www.g-mb.de/pcmcia_e.html
Here's a video of me browsing the web with IBrowse in Super High Res Interlace as a demonstration of an S-Video adapter on my A1200 030:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaz6fNpHYIg
Here's a video of me playing the Amiga's best online game, Dynamite, and streaming internet radio stations on the A1200 030 (sorry YouTube cut out the audio, but the music plays without skipping):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j72NjheWP-A
iCab has very primitive CSS support and not a single website I visited was laid out correctly. Since it's about ten times slower than IBrowse and offers no real advantage, it's not worth using through Shapeshifter to browse the web, but it's a nice experiment to try.
I was browsing ebay.co.uk just the other night and came across a few compatible PCMCIA network cards, but I didn't know anyone was looking for one so I didn't say anything. Keep an eye out for Etherlink III cards, many A1200 users including myself use them and they're great.
If you want IBrowse to run a bit faster it's best to disable Javascript and only enable it on the sites that require it to work properly. IBrowse is good in this way as it lets you set different settings for individual websites. You don't need Javascript enabled to browse Amiga.org through Karlos' proxy, for example.
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Damn, you are a youngling, Cammy. :) Not sure why a youngster such as yourself is so interested in ancient Amigas but power to you! :)
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Thank for those Cammy... :)
Handy link that, in the first video IBrowse (I believe your using) it seems to run reasonably fast, what accelerator board do you have in that miggie... :)
I've seen the second video before and forgot that you were actually playing an online game in it... doh... :)
Been looking at those cards on ebay all week but wasn't sure about them, now I can check them out with the link you gave... thanks... :)
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IBrowse is good in this way as it lets you set different settings for individual websites. You don't need Javascript enabled to browse Amiga.org through Karlos' proxy, for example.
I'd recommend against disabling it for the proxy site as it's required for the cycle gadget based popup menu replacements to work.
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Oh yeah, but it's easy to enable it again and reload the page when you need to use those, that's what I do on my 28Mhz Cobra 030 anyway. I don't have a FPU for it yet so IBrowse needs to use the CPU for everything and Javascript just makes everything much slower. Whenever I need to use a feature on a site that needs Javascript, I just enable it in the menu and reload. I think the designers of IBrowse made it easy to enable and disable all these features for people with slow Amigas.
Hey Ed, I got into Amigas because the CD32 was my first games console and my desire to play more games on it made me expand it with an SX32 and eventually branch out into using other Amigas and Aros.
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I don't have a FPU for it yet so IBrowse needs to use the CPU for everything and Javascript just makes everything much slower.
I've got an old MC68882 (PGA Type) FPU chip here you can have, I bought it years ago for my old GVP030 board but at 50Mhz all I get is a yellow screen when I boot up so it must be one that can't run at 50Mhz, it's yours if you want it, just let me know if it's any use to you... :)
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Erm... can't answer that for you, never had a miggie online before, but after finally last week disassembling AWeb and currently in the process of converting it to re-assemble this time in true 68K (Not C like the original is written in) I've allready spotted a couple of hundred optimisations that can be made to it that should speed it up a wee bit... :)
@Franko, as a bit of a 68K ASM fan, I'm just curious about what tools and methodology you use to go about disassembling programs.
(...Not trying to Hi-Jack this thread so perhaps a PM or starting a different thread would be better for a reply)
Regards,
AmigaEd
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@Franko, as a bit of a 68K ASM fan, I'm just curious about what tools and methodology you use to go about disassembling programs.
(...Not trying to Hi-Jack this thread so perhaps a PM or starting a different thread would be better for a reply)
Regards,
AmigaEd
For the most part I use ReSource V6 for disassembly, but I also use quite a number of MON Progs which are handy for testing/debugging and things like BarFly... :)
I'll send you a PM today/tomorrow with more details if you want, right now I'm just about to have my dinner and go to bed, it's 1:26am here and I forgot to eat today so I'm a wee bit peckish and getting tired... :)
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I don't have a FPU for it yet so IBrowse needs to use the CPU for everything and Javascript just makes everything much slower.
Does IBrowse actually make any use of FPU? I can envisage a javascript implementation using it as and when it uses floating point but that's not common other than for CSS related work (eg manipulating things like opacity which is specified as 0.0 - 1.0)
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There is a 020+ and a 020+FPU version of IBrowse, and I used to use the FPU version with my 8MB RAM card with FPU. I'm not sure exactly what it's used for, perhaps the image remapping or dithering. In any case, I could definitely tell the difference in speed when using the FPU version instead of the plain 020 version on my 8MB Amiga. I could multitask better, less slowdown.
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There is a 020+ and a 020+FPU version of IBrowse, and I used to use the FPU version with my 8MB RAM card with FPU. I'm not sure exactly what it's used for, perhaps the image remapping or dithering. In any case, I could definitely tell the difference in speed when using the FPU version instead of the plain 020 version on my 8MB Amiga. I could multitask better, less slowdown.
Interesting. Actually, on reflection, I guess some of the layout calculations could use it, though I had imagined they'd use fixed point.
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Hey Ed, I got into Amigas because the CD32 was my first games console and my desire to play more games on it made me expand it with an SX32 and eventually branch out into using other Amigas and Aros.
Well, good for you. I think most of us got into Amiga for games (and graphics). I certainly did. But I'm still here because I like what the OS represents: an intelligently designed system; simple and easy to use.
But I'm still surprised someone your age is interested in it. SX32 or not. :)
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But I'm still surprised someone your age is interested in it. SX32 or not. :)
Well, I don't know exactly how old Cammy is, but I'm only as old as the Amiga, myself - I didn't get into it until years later when I was reading about it and thought it sounded interesting. There's more of us second-generation retrocomputing buffs than you'd think :)
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Cammy says she was also born around the same time, so that places you and Cammy at about the same age, but if you follow the links that she provided and watch the videos of her, you (I do anyway) get the impression she's a lot younger than that. Maybe half your age.
Nonetheless, it's still nice to have the interest. I'm glad some people still appreciate what the Amiga once was. :)