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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Jose on December 12, 2003, 11:31:58 PM
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[EDIT] chaged the title a bit, the chip seems to still be marked RC50 but runns at 100mhz..(can't bother now, have some work to finish...)
[2ndEDIT] It's an overcloked one with watercooling....
Pah..! :-x Still, first time I've seen one...
Dead Hackers Society (http://bbs.dhs.nu/ct60/index.php?request=393)
Also the other thread in the forum on the same page seems to indicate that this is a full 060!!
Guys, I'm surprised noone noticed this!!
....P.S. Maybe Downix was right in some old thread, I remember he said something like that...
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Thank you very VERY much for this information! :-D Very cool :-D
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Ok, I wanted to ask about it some while ago.. So, is it possible to change 040 from Blizzard cards to 060 (I've got a blizz040/40mhz, and writing on it says blizzard 1260) without any other upgrades. I mean without changing any chips on the turbo board?? Would that work??
/me hides somewhere deep..
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Hi red
ermm . . .take a look
HERE (http://e-www.motorola.com/files/shared/doc/pcn/945048375992collateral.html)
The "new" E41J mask (1999) is a 50 Mhz XC68060 CPU overclockable until 100 Mhz with a water cooled system.
This is great, but we must consider that the CT60 has SDRAM ram module.
Ciao
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This is fantastic news if it can be adapted to existing Amiga accelerators. Some Atari users over at the linked site reported 142MIPS! I only get ~40 on my 060/50
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@Matt_H
Some Atari users over at the linked site reported 142MIPS! I only get ~40 on my 060/50
Comparing MIPS results from two different programs is meaningless. The numbers are not compatible.
100MHz 060 is exactly 100% faster than 50MHz 060, so with your testapp you would get ~80 "MIPS".
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Hi Jose
the CPU is a XC68060 50C, OC at 100 Mhz. . . nothing more.
With those E41J mask, SDRAM and a water-cooling system, the Atari CT60 can go at 100 Mhz.
A couple of years ago, i've read somewhere of a 2060 CPU card, clocked at 100 Mhz. (the CPU is on the market from 1999)
Ciao
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Matt_H wrote:
This is fantastic news if it can be adapted to existing Amiga accelerators. Some Atari users over at the linked site reported 142MIPS! I only get ~40 on my 060/50
Just to add to what Piru wrote, your 50 MHz 060 can manage more than your benchmark indicates for any superscalar optimised code (as a lot of 060 optimised code often is).
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Comparing MIPS results from two different programs is meaningless. The numbers are not compatible.
100MHz 060 is exactly 100% faster than 50MHz 060, so with your testapp you would get ~80 "MIPS".
Er... yes, you're right. Oh well. That's still quite a boost, though.
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Dammit, I knew it was too good to be true :-D
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As I'm really bad with hardware...
Simply one question:
Does this mean we can get 100mHz in our classic amigas some day?
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@LP:
Definately!
Have fun! :)
/Patrik
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why make do with 100mhz on ancient hardware when you can have 800 (or even 933) on a lot newer tech. ( changed wording to appease the whingers).
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Hi The_Editor
ermm!! try to do video titling or video editing without expensive gears on AOne and Pegasos?
No software-drivers available ATM.
Ciao
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060 to the max! Very nice. I have a Blizzard 060, i can try to overclock it :)
And my A1 will reach 1,25ghz :D
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I hate to spoil the discussion, but I doubt that 100 MHz would be possible on an existing accelerator. You allway have to see that the rest of the board has to cope with the higher clock, especially the RAM.
Oh and I have looked up the site of the producer of the CT60. I looks like the Atari too had it`s "BoXeR" that got filed `cos the people who were to write the needed software got bored and went away.
This board was even meant to take two 68060
http://www.czuba-tech.com/phenix/english/overview.htm
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You are correct about the lack of drivers, Framiga...
However ... I used to title on a lowly A500 using a Scala coverdisk !! Upgrading to an A1200, I used infochannel to title for years.
Editing was done with KRP's Edit-Plug. Once again, a high powered amiga was not absolutely necessary.
I also used Vidi 24rt although I admit, The 060 was a major boost to productivity with this and Vistapro.
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Hi The_Editor
onestly, i haven't understood your reply.
I'm since 1986 a video/film editor and i'm still using Amiga. (from A1000 to A4000)
I said that all those thing, aren't possible with AOne and Pegasos ATM due lacks of professional video output/gears/drivers.
Ciao
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Simple, I plan to get a new PPC machine but I plan to still use my Classic.
Hey, maybe that guy who is doing the Coldfire accelerator boards could do an 060 version. :-o
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Ok here is the burning question. Where does one buy quantity 060s at a decent price? Motorola lists per 1000 which isn't going to happen :-o
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Honestly you guys this topic has been done to
death here recently, check out my post in this
thread;-):
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5288
@Red
I looked all over for 68060's on the net, and for
brand new (latest mask) the cheapest I found was
about 300.00.
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I looked all over for 68060's on the net, and for
brand new (latest mask) the cheapest I found was
about 300.00.
$300 for 1 piece? Nutz, in volume probably not much better.
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Where does one buy quantity 060s at a decent price?
You can try here. They sell some cool looking single board computers based on motorola CPUs. I've wanted to get one just to see what I could do with it, but think it would be a wast for someone that just like cool toys!
http://www.vistacontrols.com/product_68060.php
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Last time I checked BlizzardPPC 060 was going for like 302 USD(probly a bit up now) but still!
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Hi Red
try to go HERE (http://www.usbid.com/catalog1/page.cfm/544/4m) and type in the Search string: MC68060RC50
or write a mail to:
info@usbid.com
Ciao
PS- Search for MC68060RC66 also :-)
-EDIT- min quantity 500 USD mode= bidding . . . your world :-)
Let me know
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The producer of the CT60 told me, if you want just one of the 68060 with the right Mask it will cost you around 600 $ each !!
If you buy them in masses you could go down to 50-100$ each. That would probably mean a few thousand of them.
He said that he got really lucky getting just 24 of them at a decent price.
100 MHz will also involve watercooling (remeber it`s overclocked by 100%)
Have a look at this page were you can see such a setup for a Falcon with the CT60 installed (scroll down)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/didierm/falcon-e.htm
We are far better off waiting for the coldfireproject to get finished. Although the Coldfire lacks an FPU is will be fast enough that it will still beat an 68060 by far.
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@Lemmink
Although the Coldfire lacks an FPU is will be fast enough that it will still beat an 68060 by far.
Would be interesting to hear what you base this on.
I don't agree (http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/coldfire-v4-m68k.txt).
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Hi Lemmink
those price is a little overpriced IMHO.
From Motorola site for the XC68060RC50C
(E41J mask that is a shrink of the G65V mask set):
"Sample Availability
Samples are available under part number XC68060RC50C. Samples will be limited to 10 Per Customer. To order samples, please contact your local Motorola Sales Office"
http://e-www.motorola.com/files/shared/doc/pcn/945048375992collateral.html
Ciao
PS- sometimes to read all the previous posts, could be useful :-)
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Hi Red,
$300 for 1 piece? Nutz, in volume probably not much better.
at this point, try to contact Amiga.fr.
They have on theyr site catalog, the MC68060 at 189,00 EUR (not sure on availability)
Vesalia sells 68060 at 89 EUR but . . . i doubt full MMU/FPU model (contact them by mail before).
I've just contacted them and they had reply me very quickly . . . :-)
Ciao
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Not free samples per chance? ;)
MMM free food samples...
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by jeffimix on 2003/12/14 19:20:13
Not free samples per chance? ;)
MMM free food samples...
YESSSS! sure . . .and a free trip to Jamaica too but only for AOrg users :-D
Ciao
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My father works in a big company that also has fotocopiers (don't know if that's the name in english). Some of the old ones have MC68000 series processor on them. The cool thing is that many times when a board is broken they throw it awyay he told me. I already told him to keep an eye on the processors of the boards but the best he's seen so far was an 030.
Maybe there were other now obsolete devices that used it? One could take it to some electronics store and ripp off the processor, I got a friend who's into electronics and he told me he could do it, only problem is I haven't found such a device... :-o
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Some Atari users over at the linked site reported 142MIPS! I only get ~40 on my 060/50
also bear in mind that most amiga CPU measuring tools are unable to take advantage of the 060's multiple execution units, so will only run code through one of them. so for non 060 aware CPU tests, the final result is about half what the CPU can really do. i used to get 38-39Mips off my cyberstorm so double that and you get a more representative figure as per motorola's web site
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Hi Jose,
Just remember, it is not wise to over-clock a processor. Most processors become unstable and untrustworthy when they are over-clocked. I recommend to anyone needing a faster processor to BUY a faster processor. Processors should only be run at their rated speed. :roll:
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Hi FlagshipAmigaLover
with all the respect . . . .Amiga without OC (and a half gazzillions of others funny tricks/mods), shouldn't be funny.
The n.1 rule on Amiga is . . . .no absolute rules . . . ever :-)
Ciao
PS- just realized . . .wellcome back D . . .
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Hi Red,
ask to Motorola for Samples (10 pcs).
They are not FREE samples obviously :-)
From Motorola site:
-Sample Availability-
"Samples are available under part number XC68060RC50C. Samples will be limited to 10 Per Customer. To order samples, please contact your local Motorola Sales Office."
http://e-www.motorola.com/files/shared/doc/pcn/945048375992collateral.html
Ciao