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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Amiduffer on January 15, 2011, 06:00:25 PM
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Since the PC article listed some influential programs, list the 10 most influential Amiga computer programs on the computer industry.
Video Toaster, Lightwave, and DeluxePaint come to mind
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vim
:)
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Scala MM ?
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Video Toaster, Lightwave, and DeluxePaint come to mind
Definitely! You may add Soundtracker or Octamed since the MODs really defined computer music in the 90s. Maybe some games like Populus, Lemmings or SimCity were influential too?
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Since the PC article listed some influential programs, list the 10 most influential Amiga computer programs on the computer industry.
Video Toaster, Lightwave, and DeluxePaint come to mind
Turbo Calc, Cygnus Ed, Directory Opus, ProTracker, LZX, YAM, AmIRC, Personal Paint, Cinema 4D, Art Department Pro.
These are the ten most influential Amiga programs for me, that some of them I still use daily to this date.
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Octamed!!
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CygnusEd Professional, GoldEd, SASC, AsmOne, Devpac, E, JC, Protracker, Octamed Sound Studio, Dpaint, Ppaint, Lightwave 3D, AmigaDOS, Directory Opus, FastJpeg_AGA, Viewtek, Mostra, Scala MultiMedia, Hollywood, ProWrite 3.3, Final Writer, WordWorth, Pagestream, Art Expression, Superbase Professional, Hippoplayer, AMOS, Blitz Basic, MUI, CrossDos, PARnet, Miami, Broadcast Titler, Caligari, Disney Animator, Fantavision, Photogenix, ProVideo Gold, Videoscape 3D, Vista Pro, ClariSSA, Audiomaster, Audition 4, Bars & Pipes, Sonix, Dynamic Drums, Action Replay, LHA, AmIRC, WookieChat, CPUblit, Enforcer, MuForce, MuGuardianAngel, Sushi and TLSFmem.
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DiskMaster II. It had a much smaller footprint than DiROpus although I had Both.
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I thought the thread was for top ten most influential amiga programs on the computer industry, not what are our favourite top ten applications on the amiga, which is what people seem to be replying with.
Otherwise I wouldn't have said vim, since personally I don't like vim (or vi), but you have to admit, it is a popular editor across the industry.
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Deluxepaint helped defined standards for the amiga, so a definate yes.
Protracker?
Amirc ended up being the inspiration for xchat, which is distributed with a few linux distro's.
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Despite its brief lifespan in the computer world, what Amiga programs had the most impact on the computer industry, or perhaps those that still have some legacy today in features that are still used. Look beyond your personal preferences.
Scala is a good example, since my old hometown got its first TV bulletin board with a 1200 and Scala after I sold them my A1000 and TVpaint.
What is VIM Karlos?
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Clearly it has to be Videotoaster and Lightwave. When they came onto the market there was nothing like them. Deluxe Paint and Octamed were also game changers.
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For me they are:
Personal Paint; Hollywood; Hollywood Designer; AmiBlizt; DM2; Eye Viewer; Multiview; WarpDT Datatypes; WHDLoad; Warp3D-MiniGL
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What is VIM Karlos?
Vi Improved, which stands alongside Emacs as one of the most popular cross-platform text editors in the world.
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Octamed!!
+1 of course!
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X-COPY ;) DPaint, Real3D, ProTracker
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A lot of the new generation Linux kids seem to like nano....
I blame the folks at Canonical..
Vi Improved, which stands alongside Emacs as one of the most popular cross-platform text editors in the world.
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Dpaint, Lightwave, Protracker, Bars and Pipes, Image FX, Art Department Pro, Real 3D, Octamed, Scala, Diskmaster (and various other source/destination dual pane file handlers)
The daddy of all Amiga influence is the Toaster, but I didn't list it because in my opinion it relies on a lot bespoke hardware which is not the intent of this thread.
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@persia
TBH, I prefer nano and I wouldn't class myself as "new generation". I think it comes from the forgetting vi's commands and getting carpal tunnel syndrome from emacs :lol:
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The daddy of all Amiga influence is the Toaster, but I didn't list it because in my opinion it relies on a lot bespoke hardware which is not the intent of this thread.
Don't let that put you off, most people so far have just listed their favourite amiga applications, which in a lot of cases absolutely nobody outside of the amiga scene has ever heard of :lol:
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Dpaint, Lightwave, Protracker, Bars and Pipes, Image FX, Art Department Pro, Real 3D, Octamed, Scala, Diskmaster (and various other source/destination dual pane file handlers)
The daddy of all Amiga influence is the Toaster, but I didn't list it because in my opinion it relies on a lot bespoke hardware which is not the intent of this thread.
True. Video Toaster was mated to the hardware, but that doesn't take away from its strength as a program, having used it in broadcasting school.
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- TV PAINT
- SCALA MM
- ADPRO
- REAL 3D
- DPAINT
- PROTRACKER (StarTrekker)
- BARS&PIPES
- LIGHTWAVE
- DISKMASTER
- HIPPOPLAYER :-)
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Many answers here.. looks like "Amiga Programs list"-- and that Post its about Influential Amiga Programs in PC..
I think, Video Toaster, Lightwave, Deluxe Paint, Scala, Some Music Tracker GUI... Maybe, the same Amiga OS GUI and Multitasking Process, in MSWidows exist someting called "MUI" as Amiga OS.. I am not sure wich was first, but somethings in software like Word Procesors, Sheets, etc, Menus are like Amiga aplications.. (remeber, Amiga late 80`s haved).. Diskmaster, today you can see the Windows Explorer are very similar..
Anyway many things in today's PCs may have been Influences by AMIGA!
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The Pro Video (Gold, Plus, etc) series from Sherref Systems was everywhere.
Cable TV systems, hotels, schools, government- even the US military.
Personally I used it in the days when VHS Hi-Fi was a good cheap way to archive music
as a video generator to catalog the audio contents of the tape.
It put the Amiga in a lot of places...
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Strip poker ;-)
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Outstanding popular software from Amiga to the rest of the world???
Cinema 4D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema4d
Can anyone beat this entry :D
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Defender Of The Crown.....
When the stereo music kicked in and you had the superb graphics... you KNEW that this machine was special!
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lightwave, mod trackers
Among those that *should* have made an influence but haven't: snoopdos, draggable screens
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Ed, Say
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Im surprised no-one has mentioned AMOS/AMOS Pro. While people tend to have a bit of a love/hate relationship with it, it sold very well back in the day, and it's not uncommon to read on random computer development blogs,etc. about how a person cut their teeth on AMOS. In addition to this there's plenty of BASIC dialects since that have been inpsired by AMOS (Dark Basic/Dark Basic Pro being very similar to AMOS and also having had good commercial success itself).
Blitz Basic parallels this too, but not on quite the same scale.
Dpaint is a bit unusual in my opinion in that while it was hugely successful, and also gets mentioned in interviews with random developers fondly, never seemed to directly influence many big name graphics tools of today. There's never realy been something akin to what a dpaint9 or 10 (or whatever) might have been, but rather evolved in a different (less elegant for my tastes) direction.
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Agreeing with the above and also:
All the Cinemaware titles. No other system had games like that. They made the Amiga stand out from the competition.
Disksalv. When it was released for free it was a lifesaver.
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Turbo Silver- one of the first 3D apps for Amiga.
Digiview - incredible hardware AND software
Deluxe Paint 1 - compared to what the Mac/PC had.......
Tripos - AKA what became Kickstart/Workbench 1.x
Aegis Sonix - early music program (+ The first sound sampler)
Marble Madness - an emulation of an arcade game
Probably loads more but I've concentrated on the period of the A1000 only.
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Im surprised no-one has mentioned AMOS/AMOS Pro.
Wake up. I mentioned it a long time ago. :)
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X-COPY ;) DPaint, Real3D, ProTracker
Got that right. X-Copy would have been the single most popular title on Amiga ever.
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CygnusEd Professional, GoldEd, SASC, AsmOne, Devpac, E, JC, Protracker, Octamed Sound Studio, Dpaint, Ppaint, Lightwave 3D, AmigaDOS, Directory Opus, FastJpeg_AGA, Viewtek, Mostra, Scala MultiMedia, Hollywood, ProWrite 3.3, Final Writer, WordWorth, Pagestream, Art Expression, Superbase Professional, Hippoplayer, AMOS, Blitz Basic, MUI, CrossDos, PARnet, Miami, Broadcast Titler, Caligari, Disney Animator, Fantavision, Photogenix, ProVideo Gold, Videoscape 3D, Vista Pro, ClariSSA, Audiomaster, Audition 4, Bars & Pipes, Sonix, Dynamic Drums, Action Replay, LHA, AmIRC, WookieChat, CPUblit, Enforcer, MuForce, MuGuardianAngel, Sushi and TLSFmem.
"Influental?" For 90% of these, no, not really.
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ADPro, DPaint, Ced, AmiTCP. AmigaVision, the Gold Disk creativity apps, Lightwave and the Toaster tools, obviously. LHA/LZX, as well as other similar type shareware utilities. Too many games to list. SAS/C and the whole plethora of different programming apps and utils of virtually every programming language that made so much cool software possible.
MUI and the apps it ushered in were a biggie too. In the infancy of the consumer availability of the Internet, some of the MUI apps from VaporWare were huge. Miami was a biggie for the common Amiga grunt back then when dialup Internet was just becoming popular, made connecting real easy compared to fighting with AmiTCP :)
Let's not forget what came prepackaged - ARexx! Allowed the Amiga to do some pretty darned amazing things for the time.
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ADPro, DPaint, Ced, AmiTCP. AmigaVision, the Gold Disk creativity apps, Lightwave and the Toaster tools, obviously. LHA/LZX, as well as other similar type shareware utilities. Too many games to list. SAS/C and the whole plethora of different programming apps and utils of virtually every programming language that made so much cool software possible.
MUI and the apps it ushered in were a biggie too. In the infancy of the consumer availability of the Internet, some of the MUI apps from VaporWare were huge. Miami was a biggie for the common Amiga grunt back then when dialup Internet was just becoming popular, made connecting real easy compared to fighting with AmiTCP :)
Let's not forget what came prepackaged - ARexx! Allowed the Amiga to do some pretty darned amazing things for the time.
Again, what further innovations did these apps influence? Also, neither LHA/LZX or Rexx were Amiga "firsts." How about I say that Doom is one of the most influental Amiga apps?
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Since the PC article listed some influential programs, list the 10 most influential Amiga computer programs on the computer industry.
The amiga demos: hustler and the bouncing ball
Not one program but the Fred Fish disks was I think a good start for the shareware, freeware scene.
greets,
Staf.
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Deluxe Paint -The Defacto pixel editor for many years, used heavily in the video games industry and still gets copied on the PC now.
Cinema 4D - Still a major player in 3D packages.
Lightwave - Babylon 5, Seaquest, Robocop TV series etc.
Populous - The first god game.
Sound tracker -Trackers and MOD's are still being created, and the portable game systems still use trackertunes for music.
Directory Opus -still going, and several clones have been created for other platforms.
AMOS - a precusdor to click and play, dark basic etc.
TV paint -was used for a lot of TV work.
Workbench/Intuition ;) Hello BeOs, i'm looking at you.
LZX -used for microsoft CAB files, I think.
IFF format. I think googles new image format is an IFF derivitive.
erm, that'll do for now.
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Again, what further innovations did these apps influence? Also, neither LHA/LZX or Rexx were Amiga "firsts." How about I say that Doom is one of the most influental Amiga apps?
Don't bust my balls, lol. We aren't ever going to come up with a master list of the best/most influential programs on the Amiga with 10 spaces to fill.
FYI, LZX was first on the Amiga. MS later snapped up Jonathan Forbes (of Xenolink BBS fame) and rolled the technology into the .cab format, among others. If you can't see where LZX ended up, well.... I really don't care if software was on a previous platform as long as it brought features when it was rolled onto the Amiga platform.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZX_%28algorithm%29#Amiga_LZX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZX_%28algorithm%29#Amiga_LZX)
While Arexx was not an Amiga first, anyone denying the impact it had on the Amiga OS and how Amiga programs interacted with each other via Arexx other is a fool. Further innovations? - it's still extremely useful in OS 4, I simply couldn't live without ARexx functionality on my SAM. ARexx was HUGE to the Amiga OS. Half the bloody apps like ADPro and the big guns in the AmigaOS SW area got a lot of life and power out of ARexx. Christ, I remember running a BBS on my old A4000 and running an ARexx script via said BBS to convert new uploaded images the minute they landed in ADPro, and fire them back to the user on the fly in another format. That was unheard of back then, the amount of give and take between programs. I ran an entire zone Fido subhub on a single A4000 with 4 Arexx scripts cause the RC couldn't do it on his 4 networked dosboxes cause they could not pull FTP'ed incoming echomail while tossing netmail packets.
Arexx was massive in regards to the professional market, and was absolutely instrumental in how the video/gfx/rendering appeal of the Amiga gained a foothold. Being able to swap data/files between programs via ARexx scripts/ports in the Toaster Suite with things like ADPro and other similar image processing stuff was a major selling point of the capabilities of the Amiga. If it wasn't an included feature of the program you bought, chances are said program had an ARexx port you could script for to allow program/file interaction, there were entire programs built on the back of an ARexx port. No serious Amiga program lacked an ARexx port.
if you want to pick nits - is Amiga Basic not a "first" or "native" app cause Microsoft coded it then ported it for C=?
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MUI, ARexx and ARexx support by many applications programs.
MUI was used for many fine programs such as IBrowse, YAM and SimpleMail.
ARexx provides a somewhat easy way to build scripts and macros to interact with other programs which have an ARexx compatible port.
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Shadow of the beast.
Certainly helped sell some amiga's back in the day :)
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Contrary to what several people have posted, there really are not many choices here.
Lightwave, and almost anything connected to the Video Toaster influenced the entire computer industry. DPaint had an influence. Bars & Pipes? maybe. What about Workbench itself? I would tend to think the Workbench had a direct influence on the industry.
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Mulitasking? I suppose it not really a program just part of the OS, but I think it did influence the industry in how a OS should function. (I only say it because I think everyone else have already said the best programs)
Oh and just to be even more off topic of programs another Big Influence of the Amiga to the computer market was to have a two button mouse. In a way I'm right to post this as the industry must of seen the good users of having a two button mouse on the Amiga inside of programs, so promptly got there own, but in a way I know I'm wrong to post it :)
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Aye, the Toaster and LW and other related software was an absolute game changer for the computer industry, and absolutely instrumental in the success of the Amiga. WB and the rest of the OS itself facilitated the Toaster in a way that worked so damned well, I dare say the Toaster wouldn't have been possible at that time on any other platform, at least not in such a user friendly way. The kickass games didn't hurt, and either did all the cool productivity apps, but the Toaster was a real biggie in promoting the computer as a whole.
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Of course the Amiga was not the first personal computer to multi-task, no did it invent the idea. A similar argument could be made about the two button mouse. The computer world even back then was larger than just Apple....
Mulitasking? I suppose it not really a program just part of the OS, but I think it did influence the industry in how a OS should function. (I only say it because I think everyone else have already said the best programs)
Oh and just to be even more off topic of programs another Big Influence of the Amiga to the computer market was to have a two button mouse. In a way I'm right to post this as the industry must of seen the good users of having a two button mouse on the Amiga inside of programs, so promptly got there own, but in a way I know I'm wrong to post it :)
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Perhaps two lists need to be made. A list of things that were original to the Amiga, like VT and Lightwave and things that started somewhere else and we first introduced to a larger audience through the Amiga, such as personal computer multitasking and AREXX.
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Perhaps two lists need to be made. A list of things that were original to the Amiga, like VT and Lightwave and things that started somewhere else and we first introduced to a larger audience through the Amiga, such as personal computer multitasking and AREXX.
or just things that were influential in the amiga community :)
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I think a lot of you need to buy a dictionary and see what "influential" actually means :)
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I think a lot of you need to buy a dictionary and see what "influential" actually means :)
well, since the OP wasn't very specific, I don't think there's any need to limit it to "amiga programs that changed peoples life in Cambodia" :)
The amiga has a life and culture independently of the PC world, so why not talk about that :afro:
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But influential surely means influential beyond the Amiga community. I mean even in it's heyday the community numbered in the low millions and today it's down in the low 1000s. Can something be said to be influential if it only affects that small a number of people?
The Amiga at it's beginning changed the face of computing, now it's just a backwater of a backwater so surely the list would have to be heavily weighted towards the early years....
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But influential surely means influential beyond the Amiga community. I mean even in it's heyday the community numbered in the low millions and today it's down in the low 1000s. Can something be said to be influential if it only affects that small a number of people?
The Amiga at it's beginning changed the face of computing, now it's just a backwater of a backwater so surely the list would have to be heavily weighted towards the early years....
I don't think it has to mean "computer world at large". If it was enough people to still have a fairly vibrant community 16 years later, it was enough people to be important :)
But then, Im not in charge so eh :)