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Title: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: utri007 on January 13, 2011, 06:56:33 PM
Why/How:

Finnish language is not Indoeuropean language, so it sounds very different than more widely spoken European languages.

Here you found how to Finnish words/sentences are formed, purpose is that you learn to speak "language" wich sounds as a Finnish language.

*Same rules for estonian language.

Basic rules:

About letters:

I    Do not use letters B, C, F, Q, W, X and Z
II    Remember use Ä and Ö

About syllables, are allways formed as following:

I   vowel + consonant, like yh (yh-tei-nen=common)
II   vowel + vowel +consonant, like ään (ään-ne=sound)
II   consonant + vowel, like hy (hy-vä=good)
III   consonant + vowel + vowel, like saa (saa-pu-va=incoming)  
IV    consonant + vowel + consonant, like hyt (hyt-ti=cabin)
V           vowel + vowel, like aa (aa-vik-ko=desert)

To simplify this:

Finnish syllables has newer 2 consonants in a row, like wh, ch, th, etc.Words doesn't ever start with 2 consonants in a row.

About grammar:

There is no "a" or "an" in finnis language, means that "an apple" would be just apple, or "a computer" would be just computer and "the computer" would be just computer.

There is no prepsitions like in english/german/italian etc languages. They are basicly added to end of the word, so "out of house" would be "out houseof"

To simplify this:

Much less short words and newer just one letter alone in sentence.

Grammar exsample

"The building of the Forksville bridge was supervised by the 18-year-old Sadler Rogers" with Finnish grammar it would be "Building  Forksvilleof bridge was supervisedby 18-year-old Sadler Rogers"

Get it?

It would be fun (for me) if you could try to "write" Finnish :)
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: x56h34 on January 13, 2011, 08:45:34 PM
Joten nyt, että voin puhua suomea, mitä muuta siellä minun tekevän?
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: ChaosLord on January 13, 2011, 09:17:37 PM
Ma rakastan Amigaen!
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: ChaosLord on January 14, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
I really loved your original post!  I wish I would have had an instruction manual like this many years ago!  I paid $35.00 for a Finnish-English dictionary but it did not have such useful information!

You have jailbroken the Secret Proprietary Encrypted Language of Finnish! :D


Could you please write a list of all Suomi prepositions?

Do they all literally just copy onto the end of every word?
Or does it sort of depend on the last letter of the word?

You did not explain how to convert a singular word into plural?
 
As in:
I have house.
I have 2 houses.
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: InTheSand on January 14, 2011, 07:18:41 AM
But nothing about moose and reindeer?! :)
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: utri007 on January 14, 2011, 10:59:30 AM
There are really few prepositions in fiinnish language, more commonly use is postpositions.

Some finnish preposition are

ilman = without
ennen = before
etc.

Let's say it this way, IF english grammar book has a 10 pages, Finnish grammar book has 100.

Plural is just t-letter to last letter, tyttö/tytöt=girl/girls, that is usually 95% right

Here is most ugliest finnish word ratsastajattaritta. Wich is formed:

ratsastaja = horse rider
ratsastajatar = female horse rider
ratsastajattaret = female horse riders
ratsastajattaritta = without female horse riders

School exsample for postpositions (same as englis language prepositions) is word house = talo.

So here is few exsamples:

talo = house
talon =  of a house  
taloa =  house (as an object)  
taloksi =  to a house  
talossa =  in a house
talosta =  from a house
taloon = into a house
talolla = at a house
talolta = from a house  
talolle =  to a house
talotta = without a house
taloineni = with my house, same word singular and plural
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: whabang on January 14, 2011, 12:19:05 PM
Ei saa päitää?
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: utri007 on January 14, 2011, 01:19:41 PM
That was really good :D It really sound right
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: motorollin on January 14, 2011, 02:08:25 PM
Is it a regular rule which can be applied to all nouns?
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: utri007 on January 14, 2011, 06:53:10 PM
it is

Finnish language uses mostly postpositions, not prepositions.

Fun fact from wikipedia:

While not very prominent in modern English, cases featured much more saliently in Old English and other ancient Indo-European languages, such as Latin, Ancient Greek, and Sanskrit. Historically, the Indo-European languages had eight morphological cases, though modern languages typically have fewer.

Finnish language has 16 morphological cases still:) english none :)
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: Karlos on January 14, 2011, 11:02:09 PM
Finnish sounds like RISC. Longer words, fewer instructions with more "modes" :)
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: utri007 on January 15, 2011, 10:56:36 AM
Never thought it that way :)

More fun facts: In English alnguage is possible to say one word 67 different ways, in finnis it is allways possible  to say one word over 600 different ways, in therory over 3000 different ways.

So could say that it is RISC language ;)
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: Karlos on January 15, 2011, 11:12:16 AM
Quote from: utri007;606802
Never thought it that way :)

More fun facts: In English alnguage is possible to say one word 67 different ways, in finnis it is allways possible  to say one word over 600 different ways, in therory over 3000 different ways.

So could say that it is RISC language ;)

Well, as an example PowerPC assembler does have about 24 or so different variations of the integer add instruction, all selected using postpositions ;)
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: motorollin on January 15, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
This thread makes me want to try to learn Lojban again.
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: Karlos on January 15, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
@moto

Why not create your own "hyper synthetic" language that puts Finnish in the shade?
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: whabang on January 15, 2011, 01:49:48 PM
We should all learn to whistle v.42bis. :D
Title: Re: Learn to speak Finnish in 5 minutes
Post by: motorollin on January 15, 2011, 03:41:06 PM
I could do. I found the syntax of Lojban quite difficult. The way you have morphemes to effectively parenthesise parts of the sentence is an interesting concept, but when you're trying to communicate a complex meaning it's really hard to generate the sentence. Lojban is supposed to be totally unambiguous (semantically), so perhaps there's room for a language which has a simpler syntax, allowing for a degree of ambiguity (which can be resolved by the listener using pragmatics and context), but with 100% regular rules.