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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: Marcb on January 11, 2011, 05:12:10 AM
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Hi,
I'm not what you'd call a prolific poster so therefore it is unlikely anyone would have noticed :) I've been absent from here for a bit ... It is all because my lovely wife gave me a Macbook Pro for Xmas...
I can honestly say that not since the Amiga have I been so happy with a pc , maybe it's just because I've never used an Apple before so it's just the newness of it all but I love the operating system!
I've been bitching for years about how long my Windows Dell laptop or my home made Windows PC takes to boot up but -aside from my amigas- I have now found boot up bliss... in a matter of seconds I'm staring at my desktop... and shutting down actually works.. first go!
I'm just left wondering what could have been if Amiga had not gone the way it did... I think it would be very similar now to my Macbook!
...Let the trolling begin :laughing:
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I had the same experience with linux :)
My wife has an older macbook and although it can hardly be said to be fast (its an older G4) i must say, its never given us a single problem or crash.
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MAC'S !!!!!!!!!! BAH Humbug!!!!
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Hey
Glad you found a new "home" :-).
However, im always stunned to see and hear about people falling in love with the OSX and telling me its theyr first love/fondness of an OS since Amiga and how this must be where Amiga would be today etc etc.
For me that could not be further from the truth personaly, ive used it mostly at work myself and i even dragged home from my old workplace an old G5 PowerMac that had been retierd and sometimes use it for photoshop, anyways, to the point, i cant stand the OS, id rather use anything else, even Win95 i suspect, what, besides all the eye candy is it seriously you find so attractive?
Hi,
I can honestly say that not since the Amiga have I been so happy with a pc , maybe it's just because I've never used an Apple before so it's just the newness of it all but I love the operating system!
I've been bitching for years about how long my Windows Dell laptop or my home made Windows PC takes to boot up but -aside from my amigas- I have now found boot up bliss... in a matter of seconds I'm staring at my desktop... and shutting down actually works.. first go!
I'm just left wondering what could have been if Amiga had not gone the way it did... I think it would be very similar now to my Macbook!
...Let the trolling begin :laughing:
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I use Mac, Win and Linux (Xandros) regularly and they all have their good/bad points. OSX just "feels" more playtested/polished than the others.
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OSX far too often stand in my way and refuses me to operate the computer the way I want to operate it. It's a system where you as a user have to adapt to fit the system instead of adapting the system to fit you, which I find highly annoying.
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Have to say I bought a Mac Mini a couple of years ago, played with it and after getting over the cute bits got bored and sold it after 6 months and bought a nice 1080p TV, much better.
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I also feel like I've found my home on Mac OS X and it feels more Amiga-like than any other OS I've used. I don't really get the "OS X isn't tweakable like Amiga OS" argument, since most of tweaking I did was superficial (VisualPrefs, NewIcons etc).
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moto
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4Play originally wrote
For me that could not be further from the truth personaly, ive used it mostly at work myself and i even dragged home from my old workplace an old G5 PowerMac that had been retierd and sometimes use it for photoshop, anyways, to the point, i cant stand the OS, id rather use anything else, even Win95 i suspect, what, besides all the eye candy is it seriously you find so attractive?
I've reached a point in life where eye candy don't do it for me, but I must admit I love the case design, only thing I would add would be a numpad !
It's difficult to put my finger on it, I jumped ship to IBM clones after having been a loyal C= user from the Vic 20 days just in time to experience Windows 3.11 and then through all it's iterations, 95, 2000, XP, etc.
The Mac Os truly does feel more "polished" (as coldfish said) and everything just works not like I expect it to... But like I want it to... Seriously subjective but there you go:)
Realistically, I'm probably just enjoying the wonderful feeling of learning something new ....
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Gone kind of the same route myself.
It might "feel" more polished but in my experience its nothing special compared to latest Win7 or Ubuntu wich i use both 50/50 of my time these days.
As for working as i want it to, not at all, i feel trapted, Apple has full control over me and i cant stand that. And i dont understand how it can be this stable for you guy(s), it used to crash on me and my colleague from time to time at work (more often so for him) it should be noted that it was not the latest OS/X version so comparing it to Win7 or latest Ubuntu would be wrong.
I guess its a matter of taste, a local ex Amiga friend of mine have also gotten bit by the OSX/Apple bug and is now a fanatical user of it and all he does is use Apple software/hardware down to his phone and keep telling me how great it all is :).
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4Play originally wrote
I've reached a point in life where eye candy don't do it for me, but I must admit I love the case design, only thing I would add would be a numpad !
It's difficult to put my finger on it, I jumped ship to IBM clones after having been a loyal C= user from the Vic 20 days just in time to experience Windows 3.11 and then through all it's iterations, 95, 2000, XP, etc.
The Mac Os truly does feel more "polished" (as coldfish said) and everything just works not like I expect it to... But like I want it to... Seriously subjective but there you go:)
Realistically, I'm probably just enjoying the wonderful feeling of learning something new ....
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In contrast to my current experience I remember when I first jumped over to the IBM clones... "IRQ conflict? WTF? Why can't it just work like the Amiga?"
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And : " I have to write batch files to play my games? "
Of course all that is now long gone but I remember being frustrated with the differences rather than welcoming them as I do now...
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I too have tried and left OSX
I just found it restrictive and it had several 'features' which I just couldn't get used to.
It's certainly looks polished, but it's far more of a 'Consumer OS' rather than something your average computer geek/enthusiast feels at one with (IMHO).
I reckon something like Ubuntu/Linux is far more in keeping with the feel of Amiga - so many ways of tweaking the look and feel and so many great free/shareware apps...
Mike.
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I don't really understand the "OS X is restrictive" argument. Can someone explain it to me please?
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moto
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All my MacBook Pro laptops run Mac OS X and I haven't found them any way restricting or limiting. Also I hate flimsy plastic x86 laptop HW, too: Knock the laptop a bit and the plastic breaks. Automagically adjusting keyboard backlight, magnetic power connector and cooling system that doesn't melt the laptop when used on soft surface are the small things that make the difference to me.
Before anyone jumps to any conclusions: I run Debian/GNU Linux on my servers and desktops.
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I have found OSX annoying and getting in my way once and only once: Finder. When dragging a folder to copy to another location which already has a folder of the same name... Rather than the sensible approach of combining the folders in the destination, it removes the contents on the destination then writes the source.
Who thought of that should be taken out and shot.
Other than that, the flexibility really reminds me of AmigaOS in some ways. You can have your GUI, but you also can have your all powerful CLI ;) . The amount of ways of customising the behaviour are astounding as well: the default write stuff is quite mindblowing...
(Use Win7 Ultimate for my HTPC, use Linux daily, and am responsible for microsoft related products at my place of work...)
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I don't care much about other people not having problems with OSX, I really only care about myself when it comes to systems I use. And for me OSX is indeed restrictive, not to mention insanely huge, messy and complex. And the documentation that comes with it is really crap (man pages not in sync with the binaries it ships with) and lots of stuff is not documented at all.
I really do not see how OSX resembles AmigaOS in any way, the two systems are about as different as you can come.
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I really do not see how OSX resembles AmigaOS in any way, the two systems are about as different as you can come.
Totaly agreeing with you there :-).
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For me Mac OS X is a pretty decent OS - and certainly far nicer than any version of Windows.
Having a proper CLI underneath, of the Unix variety, is really nice. The desktop software feels really polished as well. In addition the eye candy is far more muted than the earlier Mac OS X editions - smooth greys, etc - so it isn't distracting, unlike the eye candy on Windows Vista and Windows 7. In addition the 'effects' - Expose, etc, are genuinely useful and usable, unlike the effects in Windows 7.
I also use Ubuntu, and the latest version is quite nice, and finally has a decent OS font. However the last automatic upgrade hosed my wireless networking configuration, broke the keyboard and trackpad (requiring me to plug in USB variants) and set the keyboard back to USA from UK, and when things break in Linux, it's a PITA. However it's far better than OpenSUSE which I have on another computer.
Mac OS X gets out of my way and the UI doesn't halt the system when it is thinking, and that's what an OS should do. In addition, when I need to probe or tweak the preferences, it's easy to do and logical. Mac OS X Lion has a couple of new features, one of which is very much like Amiga screens too.
The Finder isn't the greatest thing ever though.
Also the hardware is rather nice.
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I don't care much about other people not having problems with OSX, I really only care about myself when it comes to systems I use.
Completely agree with you on that. We agree to differ in our tastes then :)
It'd be a boring world if everyone were the same :)
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Not owning a Mac but only used one in passing or at a friends house, I never really saw anything amazing about the OS, dont get me wrong its feels like a very fast, stable OS, but like a few echo it is a little to restricted in what you want to do, I'd image if i own a Mac I would tweak a lot of the setting and feature to suit me more and its good thing to see that their is a lot more you can do to customise OSX than in the past.
I recommend a MAC to any Computer newbie as it is a simple OS to get to grips with than the competition. But it just not for me.
The thing that I find more fun and interesting on the macs is not the OS but the iLife sweep of application I wish there was something that worked as well and as together on amigaos, linux or windows. That makes me want to own a mac more than anything.
Plus also although their aluminium designs are pretty cool, specially on there laptops I do wish they still did the imac g4, I really did like the look of that computer and keep thinking I should get one, there only like £100 on ebay now a days, but just don't have the room for it.
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As a long time NeXTSTEP user I hate even calling it Mac OS X. I like to think of it more as Openstep 5.0 or maybe 6.0 since that bad Rhapsody port was in there for a bit. I really didn't switch to using primarily Apple machines until the switch to OS X but it was mainly because I had loved NeXTSTEP so much.
I bet you all can guess what other "retro" hardware I horde. Dismal market failure but I really enjoyed using them. The Web was first imagined on one so that's got to count for something.
I am really interested in the details of what makes people feel restricted when they use Mac OS X. I have never felt that way but I can imagine others do just interested.
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If your ever in the market for a X86 laptop again I would recommend a Lenovo. They are the only ones that can survive being dropped and aren't made out of flimsy plastic. That's about the only thing that seperates them from any other X86 though!
All my MacBook Pro laptops run Mac OS X and I haven't found them any way restricting or limiting. Also I hate flimsy plastic x86 laptop HW, too: Knock the laptop a bit and the plastic breaks. Automagically adjusting keyboard backlight, magnetic power connector and cooling system that doesn't melt the laptop when used on soft surface are the small things that make the difference to me.
Before anyone jumps to any conclusions: I run Debian/GNU Linux on my servers and desktops.
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If your ever in the market for a X86 laptop again I would recommend a Lenovo. They are the only ones that can survive being dropped and aren't made out of flimsy plastic. That's about the only thing that seperates them from any other X86 though!
I always thought they were pretty generic and boring.
The 12" Dell I got from you was a sturdy thing, I drunkenly stepped square on it while it was closed and sitting on the floor, figured "woops, that's crushed" but not so much as a crack. Maybe I just don't weigh enough!
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That one was from the era of when they still built them a bit sturdy. Once they went to the black plastic is was all over. We bought 23 Dell E4300's at work and all 23 came back from our users with broken screens and plastic. We bought 50 Lenovo's and not one has broken yet. I'm not exaggerating that at all!
I always thought they were pretty generic and boring.
The 12" Dell I got from you was a sturdy thing, I drunkenly stepped square on it while it was closed and sitting on the floor, figured "woops, that's crushed" but not so much as a crack. Maybe I just don't weigh enough!
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I don't really agree with the restrictiveness of Mac OS X at all, it seems they have thought of everything to make my life easier. Take today for instance, I use a Mac at work all day, in fact its mine, I use Macs everywhere, when I do have to use Windows, I use it through Remote Desktop Connection... see its Windows.. but its not Windows its virtual Windows.
So I digress, take today, I needed to upload a pdf from an email attachment straight to an ftp server.
Now if I was trying this on Windows I would no doubt have to save the attachment firstly locally, open an Explorer window, navigate to that file and then drag and drop it across into the ftp client. Wait for it to finish, and delete the local file of my HD.
Whereas in Mac OS X... hmm how do I get that from there to there.. oh I know I'll just drag it from there (Apple Mail) to there (Cyberduck - ftp client) and what'd ya know it just did it.
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AmigaOS is the Elvis of operating systems, it had the good sense to die about the time it started going to seed, so we can all morn what might have been unencumbered with the vision of an overweight 70 year old trying to swing those hips.
I think Eric Schwartz' latest video captures that, the Amiga as a once famous singer now singing karaoke and pretending that she really still matters. AmigaOS would not have aged well, it would have put on weight like all the other operating systems. It would have to support all those things that we expect a modern operating system to support. It would have to have gone intel. Tripos swapped out for a unix variant, etc, etc Everything the Mac haters moan about would have happened to the Amiga.
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Hi,
...Let the trolling begin :laughing:
Macs, iTunes, Trolls:rant::uzi:
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Everything the Mac haters moan about would have happened to the Amiga.
Worse - rumours have it that people at Commodore were looking at Windows NT on PA-RISC for the post m68k Amiga. Now that would have been fun, huh? :lol:
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Is Mac backwards compatible with any PPC or 68k software?
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Is Mac backwards compatible with any PPC or 68k software?
Yes, it has a PowerPC emulator - Rosetta - and the PowerPC Mac environment includes a Classic environment, which includes a 68k emulator.
They're installed if you require them, not by default.
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Does it matter when you have swarms of active talented developers writing applications for your platform?
Is Mac backwards compatible with any PPC or 68k software?
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@persia
Generally that's true alright, I can't think of anything I'd need that hasn't been moved to Intel long ago. Having said that though, I'm pretty glad I don't have to re-purchase my copy of Office 2004 PPC to run it on an Intel Mac...
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Whereas in Mac OS X... hmm how do I get that from there to there.. oh I know I'll just drag it from there (Apple Mail) to there (Cyberduck - ftp client) and what'd ya know it just did it.
I can do that with Win 7 and XP, without a special FTP client. Just drag it from email over to Windows Explorer which is logged onto the FTP site. Never used Vista mtself.
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Microsoft owes everyone a refund for MS Office 2008. It's right up there with ME and Bob. 2011 rocks though and has no PPC code.
@persia
Generally that's true alright, I can't think of anything I'd need that hasn't been moved to Intel long ago. Having said that though, I'm pretty glad I don't have to re-purchase my copy of Office 2004 PPC to run it on an Intel Mac...
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Frankly, I'm a little baffled when anyone states that there are significant differences between OSX, Windows, and Linux when it comes to everyday use. Except for minor differences in the number of mouse clicks and specific icons that minimize, maximize, and close each window all operate very similarly.
There's not much difference. I can move between all them (and Amiga OS olr NG derivatives) w/o any problem.
I also can't see any clear advantages (although OSX and Amiga OS do boot quicker).
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AmigaOS is the Elvis of operating systems, it had the good sense to die about the time it started going to seed, so we can all morn what might have been unencumbered with the vision of an overweight 70 year old trying to swing those hips.
Superb, you have me laughing out loud at that. But it's a damn good point well made :)
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I can do that with Win 7 and XP, without a special FTP client. Just drag it from email over to Windows Explorer which is logged onto the FTP site. Never used Vista mtself.
Ah cool... I try to use Windows as little as possible... I guess MS have caught up a little bit in the drag and drop department. :lol:
I know that can't be done with Finder in Mac OS X. When you use the 'Connect to server' option from the 'Go' menu to mount an FTP site...it mounts Read-only which makes it pretty useless. :laughing:
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Ah cool... I try to use Windows as little as possible... I guess MS have caught up a little bit in the drag and drop department. :lol:
I know that can't be done with Finder in Mac OS X. When you use the 'Connect to server' option from the 'Go' menu to mount an FTP site...it mounts Read-only which makes it pretty useless. :laughing:
Yes both OSX and Windows allow you to link web and ftp files as if they were local. It a feature I had no use for until recently and I was surprised to find out how well it worked.
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Wow, I was mounting FTP sites on my A1200 15 years ago. It was awesome to just be able to just save to the FTP site like any normal drive.
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Wow, I was mounting FTP sites on my A1200 15 years ago. It was awesome to just be able to just save to the FTP site like any normal drive.
Congratulations on being that far ahead of the curve. I never saw the utility to it until recently (as my current ISP is the only really fast service I've ever had).
Its funny, just when I find ftp sites useful, using them is getting harder (you have to make some changes to Windows' default settings to get ftp transfers to work).
But it is cool being able to treat remote content the same as local.
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AmigaOS is the Elvis of operating systems, it had the good sense to die about the time it started going to seed, so we can all morn what might have been unencumbered with the vision of an overweight 70 year old trying to swing those hips.
Actually I think the Amiga is more like the Madonna of operating systems: desperately trying to remain current, relevant and cool, when in fact she's just an old woman who's embarrassing herself and showing her age.
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moto
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Hi,
I'm not what you'd call a prolific poster so therefore it is unlikely anyone would have noticed :) I've been absent from here for a bit ... It is all because my lovely wife gave me a Macbook Pro for Xmas...
I can honestly say that not since the Amiga have I been so happy with a pc , maybe it's just because I've never used an Apple before so it's just the newness of it all but I love the operating system!
I've been bitching for years about how long my Windows Dell laptop or my home made Windows PC takes to boot up but -aside from my amigas- I have now found boot up bliss... in a matter of seconds I'm staring at my desktop... and shutting down actually works.. first go!
I'm just left wondering what could have been if Amiga had not gone the way it did... I think it would be very similar now to my Macbook!
...Let the trolling begin :laughing:
I share your experience; I spent a large portion of my computer experience in the wilderness of Microsoft feeling largely unsatisfied. After progressing from windows 2000 to XP then in awe of the system resource consumption of Vista to the slightly more nimble Windows 7. Windows 7 is well able to meet all my productivity needs well enough, but when I decided to try achieving the same on my Mac setup it surpassed my expectations on exactly the same hardware specs. To say MacOSX is a faster more efficient OS than Windows 7 is an understatement and the software is more polished and intuitive that it speeds up tasks improving my productivity far more than what I achieved on Windows 7.
I also enjoy the boot up time, I enjoy the fact that like AmigaOS4.1 as soon as the desktop appears with dock bar the OS is ready for you to begin work you aren't left starring at a desktop waiting for drivers to finish loading or gadgets to be loaded and updated. I also enjoy the speed at which applications launch and the overall responsiveness of the operating system in comparison as I mentioned before on the exact same hardware I was running my Windows 7 setup!
I too after using MacOSX Snow Leopard along side my Pegasos 2 running both AmigaOS4.1 and MorphOS 2.7 and my classic Amiga 1200 running AmigaOS 3.9 am left noticing the similarities in appearance and feel to Amiga, and the vast differences. For me I find MacOSX beautiful and flexible enough to meet an average everyday users needs that I don't find the need to customise it a whole lot more than a nice background, but I would like however to be able to change the colour of my mouse pointer but apart from that there is no complaints here.
I too think if Commodore were more responsible and AmigaOS was better funded and developed on good hardware with todays creative developers on the likes of Microsoft and Apple platforms AmigaOS would look, feel and perform a lot like MacOSX, but with the more unique Amiga edge and take on things.
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Faidinkem,
You've expressed it much better than I did but your post sums up how I feel about OSX...
Spending far too much time playing Minecraft on it at the moment though :)
@Moto leave Madge alone! She features heavily on the soundtrack of my teen years :lol:
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Actually I think the Amiga is more like the Madonna of operating systems: desperately trying to remain current, relevant and cool, when in fact she's just an old woman who's embarrassing herself and showing her age.
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moto
Since I don't regularly use Amiga OS I'm not sure about the Madonna comparison. I never found her relevant when she was current. And my current OS doesn't feel like Madonna with a face lift.
It looks as good as Windows or OSX, boots faster, and while retaining an Amiga feel it seems completely modern.
Besides, Madonna always made my skin crawl, even when she was young.
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@Marcb
I wasn't really talking about her earlier stuff, when she was more legitimate as a pop star/sex symbol. I was really referring to the way she is desperately clinging to those qualities despite being 60-odd :)
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moto
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Moto,
Agreed, mutton dressed up as lamb now.:)
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Ahh c'mon fellas, I'm sure she's a very nice lady...
...mnf,
Nearly choked on my hot chocalate there.
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The way she keeps getting younger and younger guys i am surprised she is not circling the Hospital nurseries for further boyfriends..... Defiantly has passed her used by date (an boy has she been used... :D)
Now back on top i had to fix a friends mac recently and i have to say... YUCK!!!! boot up may be fast but trying to do a simple cleanup....... had me jumping thru hoops anyway now that i have played around with it i can honestly say... NO thnx rather sick to win 7 and SSD drives... :D