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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on January 07, 2011, 04:15:52 PM
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This is one of those things thats hard to prove, but it seems there's at least a minority out there who will buy up amiga hardware for cheap, then sell it on directly, at a higher price. (sometimes unrealistically so, I've seen single issues of amiga magazines on ebay for "buy it now" at 20 dollars. Seriously guys?)
It always amazes me that amiga gear will fetch extremely high prices, compared to a lot of retro computer stuff, and I wonder if price speculation is part of that.
Is this something that bothers you?
Does it make a difference to you if you are selling or giving stuff to someone, whether they are a user, a collector or a reseller?
How do you go about buying amiga stuff?
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It happens in all collectables, it doesn't bother me.
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What bothers me is the people who have like 20 Amiga's, thus leaving none left for the rest of us, LOL. ;-p
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What bothers me is the people who have like 20 Amiga's, thus leaving none left for the rest of us, LOL. ;-p
LOL
Thats why I split it into users, collectors and resellers :)
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Yep sadly its one of those things that happens in all areas, where there are people prepared to pay silly prices for things then there will be people who take advantage of that.
It happens in all the retro gaming genres, for example I seen PS1/PS2 games on ebay for £silly BIN's but you look at these sellers feedback and people are buying these games!
It frustrates me only becuase I have to sift through all these auctions to find what I am looking for, and the 7000 single floppy disks for 99p each that get relisted week on week lol!
Then you've got the likes of Airey36 on ebay, yes its a pain in the ass that he outbids me on some items that I want to buy but he also sells a lot of useful items at very fair prices so it can be give and take.
There are a few other sellers that go a little too far IMHO and strip the Amiga's right down to component parts and sell them for £silly BIN's right down to the empty box, but again you look at the feedback and still people are buying.
So I guess where there is money to be made you'll get people exploting it.
Steve.
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yeah, I had some sticker shock trying to get a copy of a few PS games (Disgaea 1 and 2) as well. Though it seems for less popular titles, its not so bad.
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Ugh, yes. I don't have a problem with actual Amiga fans selling off equipment they've obtained and don't need (and hopefully have refurbished,) and I don't mind non-Amiga fans trying to find a home for something they found in their attic, but these bastards who buy stuff that other people might actually enjoy and then try to flip it for 5x the price can go straight to Hell.
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No, it doesn't bother me.
In a lot of cases, these "resellers" save equipment being thrown into the trash. If they have to buy it for $x then someone else always has a chance to buy it for $x+1. If later they want to sell it for $x+2 then that is their choice because they're the ones who were willing to purchase it in the first place.
That said, someone who talks another Amiga user into selling something cheap because it is for "personal use" and then throws it straight on eBay with a huge mark up is a size 10 tosser.
I also don't get the hostility against large "buy it now" numbers. You either pay them or ignore them. It is very simple.
At the end of the day an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. A greedy seller will get nowhere without willing customers.
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What bothers me is caving in and dropping the xtra $ for over priced equipment/software or any other item I happen to be searching for, because it's there and available and is quite hard to find and I think I really need it, only to come across the same item a few weeks later for way less...
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Doesn't bother me at all.
I buy things at prices that are reasonable to me. That may or may not mean they are reasonable to others.
If I find a price unreasonable, I don't buy. And I certainly don't complain about the seller.
I don't have a problem pointing out similar items for sale at lower prices so that potential buyers are aware of better deals.
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Yeah, those type of people really piss me off. There's a guy on ebay trying to get over $150 for a PC emulation card. I mean really....who in the hell would use one of those????
One ebay, I also saw another guy asking over $175 for a GVP Scsi card!!! Unbelievable!!!!
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Yes and no.
On the one hand, telling a man how to do his business...that's stupid and insulting.
On the other, though, it got so bad with some stuff that I think Individual Computers had a problem with people buying up their gear as quickly as it was produced and then flipped it for painfully unfair prices.
(Note on that last one I could be very wrong, so if someone associated with Jens wants to put the smackdown on it, I won't take umbrage.)
I mean, ultimately, the market will pay what the market can bear. Amigas and parts for it were never, even when in full swing C= production, ever cheap. Shit, I remember flipping through the (few remaining) stateside magazines looking for commodity PC parts to use in my A1200 (a stick of RAM and a laptop HD) and seeing prices that were 20% higher than Computer Shopper! :P
One guy, buys something, figures out he doesn't need it, turns around and sells it and makes a tidy profit...hey, that's fine. The spaz out that those people at Amigabay or whatever have because of lone incidents like that are just silly.
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The only thing particularly expensive is accelerator cards and 3000/4000 models. Most of the other stuff you practically have to give away.
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I guess one thing that irratates me a little is when the seller states that he doesn't know if the item works, knows nothing about it, states there will be no returns or refunds, and then has a sky high starting bid amount. If the seller truly doesn't know if the item is functional then he should start the bidding at 99 cents and let the bidders take the actual risk.
Amibay's policys are a joke. Everything in life is a version of buying low and selling high. How many people have bought houses or cars or boats to flip them for a profit? If you go to an antique show/sale everything there is being bought and sold for a large profit. Your grocery stores buy produce low and sell high. It's a good thing they didn't get their lettuce form Amibay. ;)
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Only if they are marketing cheap PC hardware as expensive Amiga hardware.
There are quite a few who paint Amiga on it and flog it as added value. (That to me is conn'ing the customer, if its pc hardware that just happens to work as amiga hardware, then market it as pc hardware that works with the amiga, at its pc market value, not at their inflated price.)
Things recently that have annoyed me on that score are :-
Flash card ide drives.
PC's running AROS or emulators.
All I ask is they play fair and don't lie or exaggerate the truth.
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Hi,
@Barney,
Hey I have a GVP scsi card, I sell it to you for $125.
smerf
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IMO the free market is a good thing overall, even for Amiga!
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When things actually sell for high prices it's good feedback for companies to keep making stuff for Amiga.
You probably get both extremes in the second hand market, some hobbies only have cheapskates, others are full of speculators.
The problem with ebay is that there is no punishment for having a flood of high price buy it now listings. I believe it is only a 5 cent listing fee.
I wonder if those people have a read a book on: how to make money on ebay. Every hobby seems to have people listing and relisting stuff that is way over what people are prepared to pay.
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No. This may sound harsh, but some people refuse to accept reality. The Amiga platform is more than 1/4 century old, it is an antique hobby for collectors. Simple market forces are at work, supply and demand.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen some head scratchers. I've seen some fairly common items get sold on eBay for ridiculous prices, but those are usually one off events. Someone lists an item for an absurd price hoping to net a sucker. Usually they don't but occasionally they do. Overall, over time you will simply see supply and demand forces at work as they have since the beginning of time.
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Hi,
@Barney,
Hey I have a GVP scsi card, I sell it to you for $125.
smerf
Pfft! I have an A2091 with 2MB of RAM he can have for $124.99! :p
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No. This may sound harsh, but some people refuse to accept reality. The Amiga platform is more than 1/4 century old, it is an antique hobby for collectors. Simple market forces are at work, supply and demand.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen some head scratchers. I've seen some fairly common items get sold on eBay for ridiculous prices, but those are usually one off events. Someone lists an item for an absurd price hoping to net a sucker. Usually they don't but occasionally they do. Overall, over time you will simply see supply and demand forces at work as they have since the beginning of time.
If a reseller is paying property taxes and mortgage, or rent on their
long-term storage facility, they must walk the tightrope of high prices
and fewer sales, Vs lower prices with many sales. Limited Amiga parts means
its often the higher priced scenario. Big-box stores sell commodity parts
to the hordes. I'm just happy people save Amigas from the dumpster, even
against the little womans death threats. :hammer:
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No, as a collector I pay what I want to pay for it, but I know the limits.
Evilbay sometimes has insane prices, but sometimes you get a surprise at low cost items.
I recently picked up a GVP Combo 030 card, a 40Mhz version with the full 16MB fast for 152 dollars, and to me, that is a good price.
I don't care who sells what, if I want it, I will get it, but not at all cost.
It's a hobby, and it has to stay that way.
But on that note, my collection is pretty extensive :)
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I guess one thing that irratates me a little is when the seller states that he doesn't know if the item works, knows nothing about it, states there will be no returns or refunds, and then has a sky high starting bid amount. If the seller truly doesn't know if the item is functional then he should start the bidding at 99 cents and let the bidders take the actual risk.
Amibay's policys are a joke. Everything in life is a version of buying low and selling high. How many people have bought houses or cars or boats to flip them for a profit? If you go to an antique show/sale everything there is being bought and sold for a large profit. Your grocery stores buy produce low and sell high. It's a good thing they didn't get their lettuce form Amibay. ;)
"buy it now, 500 dollars, totally worked when I tried it in 1998, no returns at all. Item has been very safe in my leaking basement. SUPER RARE!!!"
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In theory, no, not at all.
What does bother me though is that australian ebay is quite limited with the amount of amiga gear for sale, and slowly but surely there's one or 2 people buying up a lot of gear and then selling it for absolutely crazy prices ($700 cd32, $300 c64 emulator for amiga, $50 powerdrift, and many, many other examples). Not only does this make amiga gear unaccessible to me, but it just goes to waste and is posted week in week out. Probably half of what is available on australian ebay is this sort of stuff that does little more than take up space in the list of "amiga" items, and makes there be less available amiga gear for those of us who actually want amiga gear.
I have no problem at all with people being lucky enough to buy cheap stuff and selling for a reasonable profit, but the aforementioned people are making it hard for me to get ahold of amiga gear (Ive been trying to get myself a working amiga for quite some time and those people are making it very hard for me).
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I just recently got a ton of Amiga stuff, with more on the way.. FREE. I basically saved the stuff from being thrown in the dumpster(garbage/trash/bin). Looking at the stuff makes me wonder what the heck am I going to do with all this stuff? I will sell 90% at
no reserve auctions once I have time, and that might not be in the near future. But at least the stuff is safe with me and as I get more I will post pics of what I get..
Rich
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recirculating Amgia gear only helps the Amiga hobby/community!! vs throwing the stuff out.
This is one of those things thats hard to prove, but it seems there's at least a minority out there who will buy up amiga hardware for cheap, then sell it on directly, at a higher price. (sometimes unrealistically so, I've seen single issues of amiga magazines on ebay for "buy it now" at 20 dollars. Seriously guys?)
It always amazes me that amiga gear will fetch extremely high prices, compared to a lot of retro computer stuff, and I wonder if price speculation is part of that.
Is this something that bothers you?
Does it make a difference to you if you are selling or giving stuff to someone, whether they are a user, a collector or a reseller?
How do you go about buying amiga stuff?
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yeah, definately. Always breaks my heart when amigas are binned.
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Do resellers bother you?
Some do, especially with the prices PPC cards are selling for these days, I mean there is one at the moment that is fetching $800 dollars US that is more than what I paid for a Pegasos 2. It is just the accelerator not even a whole computer and it is costing $800 US I mean that is insane, it's great for the seller and I totally understand the cool :afro: factor associated with these cards I mean I want one too but wow not at that cost I just don't have that sort of disposable cash laying around:confused: but people keep paying these record prices out of obsession I susspect and the need for cool :afro: factor.
I understand that when something is rare it becomes expensive but with these PPC cards it seems somewhat out of balance.
Maybe I want the cool :afro: factor and I am just envious:)
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They do annoy me, they get in the way of us enthusiasts.
Bargains on eBay don't exist anymore due to one man...we all know who he is.
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I am a reseller, so no: I don't bother me. :)
There's a place for resellers in a community, I believe... but there are good resellers and bad resellers.
In my business I mostly deal in Sinclair Spectrums, though I do a bit of Amiga stuff, and yes, I trawl eBay for bargains, and yes, that does unfortunately stop other people getting a bargain. But my highest bid is nearly always notably under the average - I place a lot of bids, but I don't win many.
But on the other hand, I do offer a service.
Some (many!) of the lots I win are only partially working. By the time they leave my office (at a definite mark-up) they're fully working, refurbished (cosmetically and more importantly electronically), tested and guaranteed. Without resellers like myself it would be impossible to buy tested, working guaranteed old computers on eBay... and it's not like there's not a ton of untested ones on there still. Sometimes I do just buy something in cheap and then sell it at three times the price - but when I buy it it's almost always untested and when the buyer pays me, he knows it'll work.
As a reseller, I'm not just selling goods - I'm selling my knowledge and ability to repair, test and refurbish 30-year old machinery.
A good reseller provides a service and allows the continuation of the hobby. A bad reseller buys cheap and chucks it out the door at a massive mark-up.
So I hope I don't bother too many people. My customers don't seem to think so, anyway. :)
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The Amiga platform is more than 1/4 century old, it is an antique hobby for collectors.
No, of course it's not. First: Amigas are modern computers from early in the modern computer era. Second: Many people who have Amigas aren't collectors. People use the systems to play games, for example. Some people use them as their main machines.
The machines from the '80s and '90s aren't antiques at all, and some of those prices are completely ridiculous.
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While the sales bother me...
It's not the sellers...
If they can sell them for those prices, that's the market..
But it drives me crazy that people PAY those prices! :-)
I'm thinking these are the people who answer SPAM e-mails maybe?
As for an "antique?"
I figure if I was alive when they made it, it's not an antique..
I'm old, but I'm not THAT old...
Some of these things may be collectible, but not antiques..
IMHO
Heck, I just (in the last year or so) bought a "new" Accelerator and an MP3 player for my Amiga 1200...
There's nothing "historical" about those...
That's all for current fun...
Personally, I've sold several Amiga items for less than I could have.
I bought a RAM card a bit ago. Had it for about 8 months, and the ACA came out.
So I sold it to a guy who was just getting into his Amiga, but couldn't afford an Accel/RAM card. I sold it for less than I paid and less than I could have got for it..
I'd had fun with it, and it was going for a good cause...
But, I don't expect everyone to do that...
And I don't get mad when people don't.
To each his own...
desiv
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Not in the least. This is reality guys. No puts a gun to your head to buy a bad deal... (usually)...
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The only thing that gets me are the, "WILL DESTROY IF YOU DON'T BUY!!!" methods. That is just plain bad.
It is almost like the a fore mentioned "gun to your head" comment in that it pulls at collectors heartstrings to make them want to "save" the item from destruction, even at ridiculous prices.:mad:
That's why I like services such as Amibay (http://www.amibay.com/) and selling/buying here on A.ORG (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=buysell) because it is less likely to be a individual taking advantage of hard to get items and more of a real user who knows what he is dealing with...
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"Is this something that bothers you?"
Yes, very much, but at the same time no. It really depends (see bellow...)
" Does it make a difference to you if you are selling or giving stuff to someone, whether they are a user, a collector or a reseller?"
This is where things must be clarified, I mean, nothings wrong with someone wanting to sell something that they got legitimately. If someone asks for something for personall use like: " allways wanted one of these" etc... it's an outright con to go out and sell it right away for 10 times the price as some people do. That's the only one situation that really pisses me off and it doesn't matter if it's reality like with other 2nd hand markets or not, it's just downright wrong. A good comparison is if you get a house for a nice price from a friend cause you can't afford it at normal market prices or just ask the favor from him, and then sell it for 5 times the price! Wouldn't you be pissed with that guy ?
"How do you go about buying amiga stuff?"
Honestly ? I search both eBay and Amibay for past auctions / listings to see how much they go for. Then, if I don't need the item (very common with Amiga things) I wait a few months, checking now and then, till I manage a good deal. If after a few months I don't get it I either give up or buy it for the "normal" price.
By the way, my understanding is there have been very good bargains on Amibay now and then but, from my limited experience there, the site's policies make it look like it's supposed to be kind of a favor among Amigans that prefer to sell it to another user rather than a speculator. I think that's fair and it's great there is such a site, it's also your choice to use it or not. You can also try to sell there for a very high price if you want to and many do try, no problem at all..
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I just laugh at sellers like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-PET-2001-8-system-works-great-/320885018281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab63ccea9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
who try and sell old PETs for between $750 and $1500 while I bought an 8032 off eBay a few weeks ago in immaculate condition for $150
Then there's this guy who has a PET floppy drive, doesn't know for sure if it works or not, has no cable and wants $260:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-PET-8050-Dual-Disk-Drive-RARE-/180780842972?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1760bfdc
Those ads have been up for months. You would think that it might have sunk in that nobody is buying them, plus other people are selling the same things for a 10th of the price.
My last eBay purchase is waiting for me at the house. I bought a C128D. I'm on a business trip, but my brother unboxed it and said that it looks brand new. It also came with a bundle of carts and disks.
Meanwhile this guy is trying to sell one for $2560 (he just dropped his price from $3200):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-COMMODORE-128D-vintage-computer-and-keyboard-RARE-/260973919535?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc341fd2f
and this guy wants $1000:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-128D-2-joysticks-keyboard-manuals-much-more-/330723515545?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d00a85c99
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What bothers me is the people who have like 20 Amiga's, thus leaving none left for the rest of us, LOL. ;-p
This imo is one of the worst problems in the classic community. HOARDERS. They dont even use half the stuff. They just own it to say they have it. Then they go on their pc with UAE. So lame. So damn lame. Just look at some people sigs with 2 a4000t, 2 cdtv, 3 cd32 that kind of crap. Meanwhile, there are guys returning to the scene that cant get fun and rare hw.
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I just laugh at sellers like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-PET-2001-8-system-works-great-/320885018281?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab63ccea9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Commodore-Pet-4016-Personal-Computer-Upgrades-to-32K-Works-/190630382850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6274cd02
who try and sell old PETs for between $750 and $1500 while I bought an 8032 off eBay a few weeks ago in immaculate condition for $150
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LOL! At least they have nice stickers on them. The stickers look brand new! :) Pretty expensive stickers in those cases?
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this is something thats not confined to just the Amiga. Pretty much all retro gaming markets have people buying cheap to try and sell off as "super rare, extra vintage, hard to come by" items. Just Amiga stuff tends to be sold for crazier prices :(
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Amigans should accept so home truths
1. Just like any marketplace supply vs demand. If some fool is willing to pay a high price for a piece of Amiga hardware/software then you cannot blame the sellers for making a buck.
2. A fair share of Amiga users are cheap. Take the minority of users complaining in the early 90s that their 512k 1.3KS 1980s Amiga 500 was unable to play the latest AGA games. If you want cheap grab some early pentium PC from your local tip.
3. Stay off eBay. Some of my best Amiga bargains have not been on eBay. Try alternative means such as least popular online classifieds, second hand stores or garage sales.
4. Accept that fact that most Amiga users do have double standards. It is ok for us to sell our unloved hardware for a premium but yet we expect to buy it on the cheap.
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this is something thats not confined to just the Amiga. Pretty much all retro gaming markets have people buying cheap to try and sell off as "super rare, extra vintage, hard to come by" items. Just Amiga stuff tends to be sold for crazier prices :(
I think it also depends on how famous the brand is or console model is.. You can buy pretty cheap Atari / Nintendo consoles... but of course Commdore Amiga just has that awe surrounding just the name of the brand.
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Doesn't bother me at all. If the seller is asking an unrealistic price then it won't sell that is his or her problem. When I sell Amiga items it is always at a very reasonable price. If I auction something off then always a no reserve.. and low bid start. There are fair sellers out there just looking to cover any said costs for the sake of not pitching the stuff in the bin.
Rich
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Doesn't bother me at all. If the seller is asking an unrealistic price then it won't sell that is his or her problem.
But that's the problem. Sometimes it does sell..
Someone will pop in, with disposable cash and no research, and pay the crazy price..
And while that's good for the seller, for weeks after that, everyone else thinks that that item (or anything related to it) is actually worth that, and prices go crazy!!!! :pissed:
:D
I remember a decent Apple II setup was selling, and it had a game in a plastic baggie with it.. Hmmm... Yep, it was Akalabeth..
So the system sold for CRAZY (but realistic Akalabeth) money.. No biggie..
But, for weeks, all (Ok, not ALL, but for the purpose of this story, it is) Apple II systems were being listed with crazy prices...
That said, that's the thing about e-bay. But you're also likely to get something for less than it's worth there... (You just have to be watching when they are posted and hope for BINs) Or, you can get lucky when people misspell / mislist the items...
So, in the long run, it's all good..
But if it's something I want, that is going for more than I want to pay (which is likely, as I'm a cheap bas....), then it bothers me.. :D
desiv
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But that's the problem. Sometimes it does sell..
Someone will pop in, with disposable cash and no research, and pay the crazy price..
So, in the long run, it's all good..
But if it's something I want, that is going for more than I want to pay (which is likely, as I'm a cheap bas....), then it bothers me.. :D
desiv
Well there will always be someone out there with more disposable money, lol. I wish I did I think I would have much more Amiga stuff than I do now :). If there is something you want but ends up selling at a crazy price then just wait another one will come around. I mean what item would be so critical that you "need" it now?? Baring a complete system blowup/meltdown that is..
The Eagle Tower I had went to the new owner at the cost of a Starbucks gift card :). Looking back at my Ebay auctions ..I think every item went for a very realistic price. Some I thought would do better, but tis the risk of a no reserve auction. I'm happy
the Amiga stuff would be used vs sitting around doing nothing.
Rich
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As long as people don't get stuff free/cheap on forums for personal use then put it up on ebay for 400% markup it's fine.
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As long as people don't get stuff free/cheap on forums for personal use then put it up on ebay for 400% markup it's fine.
True..
I have gotten a lot of Amiga stuff for free and have listed a few on Ebay. I let the bidders determine final price...and nothing has gone to sky high levels..
Rich.
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What I don't care for is people that won't go through the leg work and search high and low looking for gear but complain if someone else does and gets the benefits of either using or selling (perhaps at a higher price) the stuff.
I dug through garage sales, classifieds, swap meets, etc. for years until I found an Amiga with a PPC card for sale and got it fairly cheap. Does this mean I should give it away or sell it at par because someone else may think that they deserve it more? If they guy I bought it from refused to sell it to me for the price I thought was fair would it be his fault? It was his and he had a right to do whatever he wanted, I just happened to catch him on the right day.
Reminds me of people who complain about their neighbor having a nicer lawn but they won't get their own tv watching ass off of the couch long enough to do anything about theirs. Sad......... Quit complaining and get busy.....
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What I don't care for is people that won't go through the leg work and search high and low looking for gear but complain if someone else does and gets the benefits of either using or selling (perhaps at a higher price) the stuff.
I dug through garage sales, classifieds, swap meets, etc. for years until I found an Amiga with a PPC card for sale and got it fairly cheap. Does this mean I should give it away or sell it at par because someone else may think that they deserve it more? If they guy I bought it from refused to sell it to me for the price I thought was fair would it be his fault? It was his and he had a right to do whatever he wanted, I just happened to catch him on the right day.
Reminds me of people who complain about their neighbor having a nicer lawn but they won't get their own tv watching ass off of the couch long enough to do anything about theirs. Sad......... Quit complaining and get busy.....
True there is a fair amount of leg work done by those who acquire Amiga items. I have saved a boat load of Amiga stuff from heading to the trash bin. Lugging the heavy stuff is not fun nor is storing it :). Just for the love of the machines. I would rather do that than see it go to waste.
I just did a quick scan on Ebay for A3000, A2000, A4000 and actual machines seem to be hard to come by these days. At least on Ebay that is.
Rich
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Resellers, hoarders, who cares. Until somebody starts buying the stuff up and giving it away to "those more needy" it's hypocrisy to complain.
What cheeses me off though is the Chinese. They'll knock off anything and everything, I even saw some knockoffs today for videocams that only cost about $40 to begin with. But will they knock off any classic hardware like the Amiga? Oh noooo!
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Nah, nature of the beast really. Happens in all hobbies that have anything to do with older gear, car/motorcycle hobby is the exact same way.
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Its supply and demand what is the mystery? I'm so tired of guys complaining about ebay and prices. If you want to complain about something complain about the Nazi Fascists on Amibay. The idiots who run that ruined the awesome community site called "Amibench" Besided privacy violations and internet stalking, they have this weird self righteous attitude. Insane.
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But at the end of the day, people have the right to purchase hardware at sensible prices.
Why should there be a middle man?
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But at the end of the day, people have the right to purchase hardware at sensible prices.
Do they?
Not sure I ever thought of that as a "right."
It's great when it happens..
And, overall, the free market tends to keep it basically in line....
But, unless there is price fixing or public interest issues, I don't think that's a right.
desiv
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Do they?
Not sure I ever thought of that as a "right."
It's great when it happens..
And, overall, the free market tends to keep it basically in line....
But, unless there is price fixing or public interest issues, I don't think that's a right.
Thumbs up!