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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: save2600 on January 05, 2011, 09:27:08 PM
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Ran across this searching for C= stuff the other day:
http://cgi.ebay.com/C64-AMIGA-MCC-216-s-video-bulk-version-/280604774399?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4155590fff#ht_1188wt_1058
Wonder how it compares to the MiniMig. Looks like it does C64, Atari 2600 and outputs S-video as well...
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Now that looks interesting, think I'll email the seller and ask for a few more details first. As at that price I wouldn't mind buying one... :)
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There was a review (preview) of this in Commodore Free issue 46 (available as a PDF for free download - http://www.commodorefree.com/magazine/vol4/issue46.pdf). It was a fairly in depth review but strangely didn't touch at all on the Amiga aspect of the device...
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There was a review (preview) of this in Commodore Free issue 46 (available as a PDF for free download - http://www.commodorefree.com/magazine/vol4/issue46.pdf). It was a fairly in depth review but strangely didn't touch at all on the Amiga aspect of the device...
Wow... thanks for that... :)
I'd never heard of the CommodoreFree magazine, just added it to my favorites... :)
Cheers
Franko
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YO that's crap.
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Now that looks interesting, think I'll email the seller and ask for a few more details first. As at that price I wouldn't mind buying one... :)
Yeah, like how it handles OCS/ECS/AGA the various Kickstarts and compatibility in general. The ad is worded quite strangely. As if it was written by someone from berry, berry far east!
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Yeah, like how it handles OCS/ECS/AGA the various Kickstarts and compatibility in general. The ad is worded quite strangely. As if it was written by someone from berry, berry far east!
I've sent a message to the seller via ebay, just need to wait and see if he responds (and in what langauge...:lol: )
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YO that's crap.
Yeah, I know. I hate .pdf's too with_a_passion. AH! I see there's different versions of the mag... .txt will do quite nicely thank you very much :)
I'm sure you were talking about the MCC unit though... :lol:
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Zero interest here. I'll take the real thing versus emulation anyday.
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Zero interest here. I'll take the real thing versus emulation anyday.
I prefer the real thing too, my real C64 and MMCSD card reader does an excellent job... :)
But I love to tinker and would like to put one of these in a keyboard and change it like I did with one of those C64 DTV joystick emulator thingies that were all the rage a couple of years ago (I even added an S Video output to it and a serial connector to link up with the miggie)... :)
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MCC-16 is NOT a software emulator, but a hardware simuator in FPGA, just like the Minimig.
Comparing it with emulation is just plain silly: it behaves EXACTLY as hardware at electronical level. So your post is rushed, orb85750, and it makes no sense at all.
On the other hand, I have and MCC-16 here (as I have a Minimig and an Altera DE1), and it only supports C64 for now. It makes a good job: most games work flawlessly, but some of them need slight adjustments: Tim Follin's excelent work for Ghouls'N Ghosts has a small sound problem with one of the channels, for example, and Creaures 1 & 2 are unplayable due to a bug in the VICII implementation.
Those should be fixed soon, however.
The Amiga core is unreleased. I hope they release it soon! It's based on the Minimig core with an improved 68K core (not TG68K anymore, I believe).
EDIT: My MCC-16 is the VGA version, so no Atari2600 core for now. Not that I matter, the Atari2600 is a piece of crap for my taste.
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Zero interest here. I'll take the real thing versus emulation anyday.
Opposite opinion here. Very interested in these FPGA based concepts, and how they're evolving.
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MCC-16 is NOT a software emulator, but a hardware simuator in FPGA, just like the Minimig.
Comparing it with emulation is just plain silly: it behaves EXACTLY as hardware at electronical level. So your post is rushed, orb85750, and it makes no sense at all.
On the other hand, I have and MCC-16 here (as I have a Minimig and an Altera DE1), and it only supports C64 for now. It makes a good job: most games work flawlessly, but some of them need slight adjustments: Tim Follin's excelent work for Ghouls'N Ghosts has a small sound problem with one of the channels, for example, and Creaures 1 & 2 are unplayable due to a bug in the VICII implementation.
Those should be fixed soon, however.
The Amiga core is unreleased. I hope they release it soon! It's based on the Minimig core with an improved 68K core (not TG68K anymore, I believe).
EDIT: My MCC-16 is the VGA version, so no Atari2600 core for now. Not that I matter, the Atari2600 is a piece of crap for my taste.
FPGA will be very nice for surpassing classic Amiga -- which does not appear to be the case here. Ask yourself: Would you trade your bona fide A1200 for the MCC?
EDIT: And let me add that I did find the minimig to be interesting from a developmental standpoint, but I never had any interest in owning one. For obvious reasons, Natami will be a different story in terms of demand by classic Amiga enthusiasts.
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The Amiga core is unreleased. I hope they release it soon! It's based on the Minimig core with an improved 68K core (not TG68K anymore, I believe).
So, you're saying the 216 does not currently do Amiga either? Even though it's supposedly advertised as such?
You MCC-16 is a different unit? A search just reveals something about a midwest caged championship. lol
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So, you're saying the 216 does not currently do Amiga either? Even though it's supposedly advertised as such?
It's not advertised as such. The eBay write-up clearly says:
The MCC ships today with the Commodore C-64 emulation. The Commodore Amiga emulation and the ATARI 2600 will follow soon with a simple Software upgrade.
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As if it was written by someone from berry, berry far east!
The developers are in the United States. They showed off the MCC-216 at the Cincinnati Commodore Computer Club Expo 2010 and at the Las Vegas Classic Gaming Expo 2010.
FCUG celebrating 30 years,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
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So has the Amiga core been released yet?
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I think the best thing about this one is that its pricing is starting to get to a point where, for the features, one might consider it a decent value.
Hardware emulation of three systems in a small box that hooks up to modern displays for $150 instead of emulation of just one system in hardware for over $200.
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Yeah, but how well does it work compared to MiniMig and the Replay Board for the Amiga part ?
When it comes to the Atari core, I could not care less :-D :-D
However, I would very much like a status update on the C64 core for the Replay board.
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So has the Amiga core been released yet?
At last Sunday's meeting, SCCAN member Matt brought in his newly-purchased MCC-216 (VGA) and MiniMig with the latest updates. There was no Amiga core yet. The C64 NTSC and C64 PAL cores seemed to be working well. He showed the game, Commando, in the NTSC core and gameplay and sound was good, though I saw some "ghosting" on the trees of the game. He cleared that up by fiddling with the MCC settings.
The Atari 2600 core worked on the few games he showed, except for Star Trek. The MCC crashed/locked up every time we tried to get Star Trek going.
The MiniMig seems to be just getting better and better. Very stable with the latest updates. For fun, he ran SysInfo on it, and SysInfo reported 56 MHz.. Cowabunga! :)
FCUG celebrating 30 years,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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There was no Amiga core yet.
For the July 23-24 Commodore Vegas Expo, ArcadeRetroGaming.com may send us a MCC-216 (VGA version) with a new A500 core.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
July 23-24 Commodore Vegas Expo 2011 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex
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I would be interested if it works with hardfiles and how well
Minimig works with hardfiles now but I belive not well without addon card???
March, 2011: ARG presents the AMIGA on the Midwest Gaming Classic
Some screenshots https://ssl.perfora.net/arcaderetrogaming.com/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/Microsoft+Word+-+NEWSLETTER_March_31_2011_V1.pdf
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The MiniMig seems to be just getting better and better. Very stable with the latest updates. For fun, he ran SysInfo on it, and SysInfo reported 56 MHz.. Cowabunga! :)
With SysInfo that means the core could be running from any speed from 20MHz to 100MHz. Useless POS with a nice interface.
It looks like the Natami people are looking at more 'real-life' benchmarks for 68k processors however.
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For the July 23-24 Commodore Vegas Expo, ArcadeRetroGaming.com may send us a MCC-216 (VGA version) with a new A500 core.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
July 23-24 Commodore Vegas Expo 2011 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex
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Fan-Phenomenal!!!
[youtube]0edIpqrT_2E[/youtube]
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Wow, really slick!
Is it me or does it seem to run faster than a native 68000 Amiga? Have you tried SysINFO on it? Wonder what it would report back...
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YO that's crap.
Yeah that is no go yo.
EDIT, hold up. That's not total crap.
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Wow, really slick!
Is it me or does it seem to run faster than a native 68000 Amiga? Have you tried SysINFO on it? Wonder what it would report back...
(http://s4.postimage.org/1t1u1655w/sysinfo.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/1t1u1655w/)
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There's an Amiga core available now from there main site, although beta at this stage. Hmm, tempting. The specs mention 16mb of ram.. hmm..
http://www.mcc-home.com/3.html
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Someone did some first tests with the new beta Amiga core:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJoM0CM_N4
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Hi guys,
I am one of the main developper of the MCC.
Currently, I am working on a newer and smaller (less than 2000 LUTs) 68000 core. I have all the instructions implemented, I am at the testing phase.
IMHO, FPGAs are getting faster over the years.
Today, it is possible to design a microcoded 68000 softcore that runs at 150 MHz.
Mine currently runs at 90+ MHz on a slow Cyclone III.
Very soon with the new Cyclone V, any re-implementation of the Amiga will be more powerful than an 040 AGA machine.
I hope to release a new version of the Amiga core soon.
Regards,
Frederic
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I'm going to have the MCC-216 (VGA version) on exhibit for everyone to try out at the Sacramento Amiwest Show, Oct. 22-23.
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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I hope you lucky west coast people will post lots of you tube videos...
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That new core sounds very exciting. Keep us in the loop as to how it is progressing!
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That new core sounds very exciting. Keep us in the loop as to how it is progressing!
Well, right now I am testing the core against the musashi 68k emulator from mame. So far, I have tested all the flavors of ADD, SUB, shift and rotate plus the MOVE, LEA, JSR, BSR and RTS. On average the 90 MHz core runs like a 30MHz 68000.
The core is designed to be small (currently : 1700 LUTs), so it is heavily microcoded (more than the original 68000).
The microcode is Forth based and quite small (~6KB), to prgram the microcode ROM, I had to create my own microcode assembler with Lex and Yacc.
Later, I will create a more powerful design by having a true 32-bit ALU, a separate effective address ALU and the fetch/decode done in parallel.
If I move to a faster FPGA architecture, I think I can reach 150 MHz.
It is really fun to re-create a 68000 from scratch.
Regards,
Frederic
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Just checked out a YouTube interview by the developer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK_m2EMaVKY&feature=related
Some interesting info: possible AGA core down the line, multiple cores of different systems in both PAL and NTSC. Nice interface. S-Video and VGA connections. Ability to load 4 floppies in Amiga mode. Seems to be headquarted in Alabama (says the website), although the developer has a German accent (I think).
Price looks to be lower than the MiniMig or the Chameleon and includes the case. Competition is great!
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I'm going to have the MCC-216 (VGA version) on exhibit for everyone to try out at the Sacramento Amiwest Show, Oct. 22-23.
They twisted my arm to give a presentation on the MCC-216. It'll be after 3 on Sunday afternoon... as everybody starts packing up. :)
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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At the July 18-19 Commodore Vegas Expo v11 2015, the MCC-216 returns, this time with the latest goodies and cores - Commodore 64, Amiga 500, Apple II, ZX Spectrum, and Atari 800XL. SCCAN member Matt will be at the show to demonstrate how to install OS 3.1 into the MCC instead of OS 1.3 and how to use his beta installer in order to add cores and games easily into the MCC's directory structure.
If you can't attend CommVEx, Matt has posted his video of installing OS 3.1 into the MCC at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrGrwYfjiq4
FCUG celebrating 33 years,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
July 18-19 Commodore Vegas Expo v11 2015 -
http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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At the July 18-19 Commodore Vegas Expo v11 2015, the MCC-216 returns, this time with the latest goodies and cores - Commodore 64, Amiga 500, Apple II, ZX Spectrum, and Atari 800XL. SCCAN member Matt will be at the show to demonstrate how to install OS 3.1 into the MCC instead of OS 1.3 and how to use his beta installer in order to add cores and games easily into the MCC's directory structure.
If you can't attend CommVEx, Matt has posted his video of installing OS 3.1 into the MCC at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrGrwYfjiq4
FCUG celebrating 33 years,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm
July 18-19 Commodore Vegas Expo v11 2015 -
http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
Well, that is encouraging, doesn't look as good as my A2000, but then its not run any of the additional graphic modes I can run.
And the benchmark make my humble 14 MHz '20 look good.
Can anyone explain to me why the stock 68K is targeted when the '020-'030 provides a major jump (at comparable speeds) and the leap to '040-'060 performance can be downright amazing?
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@above
The FPGA is a small one. I found the info on EAB.
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@above
The FPGA is a small one. I found the info on EAB.
Thanks. That makes sense.
Smaller FPGA, lower price, but with limits on what you can jam onto it.