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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: koaftder on January 05, 2011, 05:34:16 AM
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I wish I lived near your dumpster. Amiga can be a challenging hobby at times so I understand your frustration. I have an a1200 thats been waiting for parts for like a year, but its a back burner project and real life concerns always come first.
Winuae is very usable and you can forget all the hardware problems and expense...
Steven
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Try a hobby like operating a steam railroad. Nothing puts a hobby in perspective than making a century old piece of technology run.
I understand your frustration. The ease of WinUAE makes you want to shove your 20 year old hardware in a closet and forget about it.
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I must be one of the world most careful or just plain jammy Amiga owners ever, I too have been using Amigas since 86 and not once have I ever had one break down on me... :)
My own theory behind this is switch your Amiga on at least once a day or better still don't switch it off at all even if your off on your holidays... it works for me... :)
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I take loooong breaks, usually over the summer when I'm busy enjoying the weather. Otherwise it's easy to get burned out. A mildly tweaked miggy for games/demos is pretty doable with little headache, but expanding a big-box to the max is an endless (albeit intriguing) game of solve the riddles.
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Far out thats harsh!
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The only problems Ive ever had with amiga hardware were self induced (ie. punching holes through them out of frustration with games (the Lion King game cost me quite a bit of money, which is silly for many reasons, not the least of which being that it's not even a great game)). Apart from my own stupdity though Ive never had any major problems, and that's including an a1200+bppc+grex+voodoo3 system, which most people tend to say are problematic (although personally Ive yet to see reasons for this reputation). Granted it's dead now, but that's due to dodgey electricity at my house and rapid power fluctuations (pretty costly night that, wasnt only my bppc+grex that died).
Personally I get more frustrated with the "NG" amiga options.
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Harsh indeed, I'm sure one of us would have driven to pick it up.
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Or paid shipping...
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Amiga is probably the most reliable machine I ever owned.
C64....back to shop 3x for this and that (mostly PSU)
Atari ST....loose rom chips nightmare!
Amiga.....blissful ignorance of the existence of engineers :)
Of course I never bought an A500 or A600 el cheapo machines so this may explain it. But then my A1200 is also going strong too (but it's 8 years younger than my A1000 so.....)
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Ohhh poor thing.
I think someone needs an Amigan hug right about now.
*hug*
Feel better?
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I've been a user since 1986. I just tossed most of my Amiga shit in the dumpster. Fuck it. I've spent more time performing repairs than anything else. Time to move on. Winuae.
I can actually relate to that, playing around with classic Amiga stuff can be equal parts rewarding and deeply frustrating....when the bad outweighs the good it's time to move on ;)
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I've only been an Amiga user since 2007 and sometimes I feel like this!
So far I've kept coming back for more, though.
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I've only been an Amiga user since 2007 and sometimes I feel like this!
So far I've kept coming back for more, though.
I'm sure you've probably explained this before (so feel free to just post a link to the post), but what got you into it in 2007?
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I'm sure you've probably explained this before (so feel free to just post a link to the post), but what got you into it in 2007?
I think I might've a long ways back, but a quick search doesn't find anything but a one liner from me on the subject.
Basically I started out on a C64 in the mid-80s like so many others, so the names Commodore (and Amiga, from screenshots on gameboxes) were names I saw early. Eventually in the 90's I got into IT as a career (still doing it today, as well,) and a couple of years ago I was pretty bored with all things computer when I suddenly had the inspiration to check Craigslist for retro stuff. First item I saw was an Amiga 500+, figured I'd seen enough screenshots of the games and would finally see an Amiga in person. Messing around with the previously unknown to me hardware and OS kind of got me reinterested in computers in general, it was a good feeling, so I kept right on playing with Amigas (and plenty of other old machines, though Amiga seems to be the only one that stuck.)
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so I kept right on playing with Amigas (and plenty of other old machines, though Amiga seems to be the only one that stuck.)
No further explanation needed... :)
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I've been a user since 1986. I just tossed most of my Amiga shit in the dumpster. Fuck it. I've spent more time performing repairs than anything else. Time to move on. Winuae.
Can't say I blame you, lol. My first Amiga was a 16mhz A3000 the day they came out, it changed my world. Went through 2 A4000's after that, including a very expanded PPC/060/CV one I sold in the late 90's, along with a few A2000's.
Few years ago, I got the bug back up my ass for some nostalgia. Bought an A1200 off ebay a year or two back, invested in a PPC board, BVision. Waste of time and money, for me. When it did work, it didn't bring much nostalgia for me. Bought a SAM after that, and not even getting much use out of it lately. I was constantly screwing with that A1200 to figure out what the issue was. Sold the parts off, the 1200 mobo is in the shed covered in dust.
Way I see it, there's 2 distinct camps of Amiga users. The 'Click and clackers", the guys that get a groovy feeling off hunting and pecking on an all original Amiga. Then there's guys like me, and I suspect you - that like to sit down and play a game, write a bit of code, run a BBS in my case - with reliability, small footprint, and relative silence under modern hardware with no dodgy patches or things, USB, CD, NIC support all in there from tits to tail. I respect anyone who has fun with this old stuff, whether it is via old hardware or emulation.
WinUAE is great for guys like me, because it does exactly that :)
Honestly, the most fun I've had in a long time is this old mini itx box I built that boots right into WB 3.1 off a stripped XP install. Best of all, it's no bigger than a Mac mini, my G19 keyboard and G 9 mouse work on it. The reason I like it is also the reason purists dislike WinUAE - this mini itx rig doesn't feel like an Amiga in the least, makes no clicking and clacking sounds or floppy clicks, etc. Just a wee little box hooked to the back of my KVM that runs better than any amiga I could ever have bought.
Different strokes for different folks. Respect the past while expecting the future.
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Personally, I like original hardware whenever it's an option -- even if it's much more work. Think hard before you throw history away in the dumpster and opt for an imitation. You may regret it later.
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All I can say is buying misdescribed 'untested' crap off ebay decades after manufacture and then having problems with it <> Amiga is pure shit.
I've never had Agnus/Denise/Paula fail on any of my OCS/ECS machines bought new and ditto for Lisa/Alice/Denise on my A1200 or A4000 I bought in the 90s. I have had many many graphics cards burn out just because a PC was left switched on for 2 days (just showing the desktop, not actually doing anything) though.
So really I never ever had a problem with any of the machines I bought new, I have had dodgy machines bought off ebay second hand but that's not the machine's fault it is the fault of sellers being twats.
Always suspicious of people selling used computers or cars, they usually sell due to a fault that only they know about to get out of repair costs.
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Think hard before you throw history away in the dumpster
At the very least, think of the environmental consequences. Better to send it to a new home than the landfill.
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U mad?
Why toss stuff with collector's value in the dumpster instead of selling it?:angry:
Also, you're not alone. I sold all of my stuff over five years ago. UAE works just as well for the little interest I still have in the Amiga.
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My only Amiga was a CD32 I bought when they came out in the US. Used it daily with an SX-1 expansion and was on the internet on it. Then in '97, I learned how to throw together PC's and install Win95.
My CD32's bigfoot powersupply had a twitchy connector and the SX-1 connection was also delicate and caused frequent crashes and corrupted hard drives so switching to Win95, though dismaying, proved more 'reliable'. My IT career was just taking off but I always keep an eye on the scene. I was a registered user here back since 96 or 97 but somehow needed a new account in 2002 after possibly being inactive for a year or 2.
Natami is the only product I'm considering buying to get back in to the scene officially. No rush though.
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I did toss a bunch of stuff in the trash but honestly almost all of it was broken to begin with and stuff I repaired. I got nice and drunk last night, much apolgies for my curse laden rambling on the forum. I'll slink off and nurse this hangover.
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I've been a user since 1986. I just tossed most of my Amiga shit in the dumpster. Fuck it. I've spent more time performing repairs than anything else. Time to move on. Winuae.
I can totally relate. In 2008 I finally jumped (reluctantly at first) to UAE after my A2000 finally experienced one too many technical problems and an HD controller card and attached drives were fried. I had been through this many times before....but each time it became more and more of a drain to trace down hard to find and expensive parts on Ebay or from far-away dealers. Harder to take when a similar (but more advanced) PC part could be had from the corner computer store instantly, or pulled from someone's garbage for free.
Believe me...I tried for more than a decade to keep the machine going and treated it like a baby....but it was the mix of being an isolated Amiga user in a small town with no local support and no easy source of spare parts (ever tried calling around looking for old SCSI drives or CD burners to your local computer store and heard a moment of silence at the other end as they tried to remember what SCSI meant?)
I love the Amiga, but the hardware wasn't reliable anymore...
I do think Amigas are pretty well-made machines, but my A2000 was expanded to the point that when I opened it up almost every square inch was crammed with a card or a cable going this way and that. There were so many expansions hanging off of it that it seemed like a tightrope act to keep it going.
Maybe a more simple machine, like an unexpanded A500 (or with minimual expansions and hacks) would be easier to maintain.
Also, I dreaded opening the machine. Even though I was super careful and kept the inside and outside spotless, it would seem that no matter how careful I was, every time I closed it up again there was always a problem. The machine would greet me with a non-booting black screen until I could trace down the problem (usually something had become unseated).
By that point I had been waiting two years for the Natami to be released, hoping to keep my A2000 working until I could buy one. No luck of course. So I had no real choice but to migrate to UAE. Not a bad choice considering it's been two more years and the Natami is still to be released.
So, I did switch to UAE and it's been really great. Not 100% perfect but very very VERY close....and it offers speed and expandability that I could never have imagined. I am actually running MORE Amiga applications than I used to with my real Amiga because it is so easy to have many different configurations....i.e. a "classic" WB1.3 setup and an OS3.9 setup with RTG on the same machine. Plus if the PC hardware UAE is running on ever fails I can just go buy a cheap used PC (or get one for free) and move my "virtual" Amiga's hardfile to it pretty instantly. Voila - instantly up and running again - no more reliance on proprietary hardware.
Like you, I did get very frustrated with hardware failures on my real Amiga, so I can understand. Fortunately I did not "bin" my hardware though. I had meant to sell it to cover the cost of the PC I had to buy for WinUAE, but I haven't and now that it's been several years the memory of the frustration has worn off and maybe I'll set up a real hardware Amiga again if I get the space (just a minimal A500 system for tracker music and DPAINT and games). Maybe...
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"Remember when computing was fun" lol just kidding...
It is important to remember to not dig a hole to deep if you are going to enroll yourself in this hobby.
On paper a maxed out A4000T with PPC and occupied Zorro slots incl PCI sounds like a great idea, most often that is not what a typical next millennia Amiga user needs. It will take a lot of space, use a lot of energy (110watt + ), and in some ways do the stuff you want to do with it worse than a basic A1200 with turbo/fast-mem.
I am happy with my A1200 060, suits me like a glove for what I need it for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P7aqoQGVhs
I got PCMCIA/CF-converter with FAT filesystem, can transfer files easy to the Amiga, no need for messy network. Indivision with HighGFX, no need for RTG boards and big box system, do you really want to spend a week perfectioning a PNG WB anyways?! is that fun? WB3.1 so you get total control of your setup and old school icons that looks good in either hires or hires laced. And most important, I get 100% perfect sound without screwing with WinUAE.
And finally the best thing with it, once I am tired of it, I can put it in a box in my closet until the next time I am ready to remember have fun again with a computer.
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What are you guys doing to your miggies that cause them to break down so much ???
3 of my A1200s are the original Commodore ones bought brand new when they first came out and the other 4 are Escom/Amiga Technologies (I think) that I purchased about a decade ago and not one of them has ever developed a single fault... :)
The only stuff I've ever had that breaks down are monitors & printers, monitors are easily fixed but the printers tend to go in the bucket... :)
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You guys sure like Amigas, that for sure...
Anyway, my A1200 setup (Blizzard 1230 IV, 40 GB HD, 52x 32x 52x speed CD rewriter, RGB to VGA adapter, Coolermaster 460 Watt PSU and a PCMCIA network card) is as solid as a rock. I've only had to replace the mobo once in 15 years (was already second hand), which wasn't expensive (35 euros, including postage). You guys must be doing something wrong :lol:
I'll stick with the Amiga for as long as properly working A1200 mobos can be bought, or when some proper replacement becomes available (Minimig AGA with faster CPU, or Natami).
Of course it's not a nostalgia thing for me. I've had an Amiga ever since I got into it back in the day, and had one as my only computer up to 2005. Guess you're an Amiga freak or you're not ;)
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@ thorham
That's one of the weird things I don't quite get is why the Amiga is referred to in terms such as retro or nostalgia on the forums... :confused:
Until June of this year I'd never owned any other type of computer other than my Amigas and use them every day, so to me I can hardly call it retro or using it for nostalgia as it always has been my main computer... :)
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@ thorham
That's one of the weird things I don't quite get is why the Amiga is referred to in terms such as retro or nostalgia on the forums... :confused:
Until June of this year I'd never owned any other type of computer other than my Amigas and use them every day, so to me I can hardly call it retro or using it for nostalgia as it always has been my main computer... :)
It's not a retro-hobby for me either. My VIC-20 is my "nostalgia" computer. The Amiga is still a productive computer for graphics and music. Hence the need to have a reliable system - so that's why I am using UAE...I can get the music and graphics stuff done fast and reliably with Amiga software.
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@Franko
I think the potential problems come more from a heavily expanded amiga. Simple accelerator, hdd and optical drive based systems (plus zorro cards if theyre available) are usually nice and reliable. Start adding "hack" based upgrades and things can start being a bit less friendly. Well, that's the general rule of thumb at least. I was a bit more lucky myself, but if friends experiences are anything to go by I was the exception. My grex1200 got pretty hot, but it was quite reliable.
Thinking about it though I did have trouble with my sx-1 module. It'd only detect when it felt like it, and the enable/disable switch did absolutely nothing (it'd still work when disabled, or not work when it was enabled, or vice versa, depending on its mood).
As for retro/not retro, I dont think that's particularly in the eye of the beholder, but rather dictated by the state of current technology. Even the absolute most expanded classic amiga is closer to a commodore64 in terms of spec than it is to anything rleased in the last 5 years. Nostalgia however is more a personal thing.
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@ thorham
That's one of the weird things I don't quite get is why the Amiga is referred to in terms such as retro or nostalgia on the forums... :confused:
Until June of this year I'd never owned any other type of computer other than my Amigas and use them every day, so to me I can hardly call it retro or using it for nostalgia as it always has been my main computer... :)
If my 3.x Amiga(s) were up and running, no doubt I would using them for most every day use, still. So, I tend to agree with you. My 1.3 OSed A1000 is a different story however.
Today, I still use the A1000 for more than just games, and when it can't handle the task at hand I'll switch to AmiKit.
I am some what of an odd ball in that I don't mind mixing Amiga and Windows programs to get the results I want/need.
I can't say I have never felt like blowing up an Amiga system or two - but I always gave it a day to cool down (me, not the machine).
Have to admit that my old house had a disk drive or two growing out of the walls though....
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I am some what of an odd ball in that I don't mind mixing Amiga and Windows programs to get the results I want/need.
It's a bit strange that this isn't usual in my opinion. I too will use the best tool at my disposal for the job, be it Windows, Amiga, or whatever. I dont use Winuae, but am still happy to mix and match software depending on what Im doing.
Common sense it seems isnt common :-)
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@ thorham
That's one of the weird things I don't quite get is why the Amiga is referred to in terms such as retro or nostalgia on the forums... :confused:
Until June of this year I'd never owned any other type of computer other than my Amigas and use them every day, so to me I can hardly call it retro or using it for nostalgia as it always has been my main computer... :)
You know, it's just a label based on the time since its release. Don't let it bother you. I'm sure eMacs are considered retro at this point too. (It's not just Atari 2600 and TI99/4A that's considered retro in the year 2011.)
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Franko: Why did you break with your Amiga-only use? Was it too difficult to surf the internet? Something else?
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Franko: Why did you break with your Amiga-only use? Was it too difficult to surf the internet? Something else?
I've never been interested in the net before and it was only because I bought an old iMac G4 off my brother in law back in June that I decided to give it a go.
I actually only bought it as I wanted to use the Monitor for something I was going to build and just at that time I got a special offer from SKY for a one year unlimited Broadband for £30, so here I am... :)
But come June of this year if I don't manage to talk Sky into giving me another good deal for broadband, I'll be quite happy to leave the internet behind and devote all my time to my miggies... :)
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I got nice and drunk last night, much apolgies for my curse laden rambling on the forum.
No worries, despite what some people think, getting high or drunk is natural part of life. I once read that whenever a person is about to make a life changing decision, he/she should get drunk and check if the conclusion is the same. If not, some more thinking is needed. I believe this was a Sumerian saying.
I'm about to become pretty wasted myself right now, but amiga is not in the focus of my concerns atm. so no dumpster dangers here. I'm pondering on contacting the local folk/historic museum though, to hear if they might be intereted in some working relics of the 80ies and 90ies.
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But come June of this year if I don't manage to talk Sky into giving me another good deal for broadband, I'll be quite happy to leave the internet behind and devote all my time to my miggies... :)
Franko, in my eyes you're a hero. You came here stirring and shaking the established, while always keeping your wit and upfront and open attitude. I love that. The day you leave internet behind, the loss will be ours, and not yours, that's for sure.
Cheers, or slainte, or whatever you prefer :)
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Franko, in my eyes you're a hero. You came here stirring and shaking the established, while always keeping your wit and upfront and open attitude. I love that. The day you leave internet behind, the loss will be ours, and not yours, that's for sure.
Cheers, or slainte, or whatever you prefer :)
Me... stirring and shaking... never... ;)
As me old grannie used to say "if you can't laugh at yourself, then laugh at some other poor sod... it's much more fun..." :lol:
(PS: bring back your cute little bear avatar, me misses him... :))
Now pass the big wooden spoon... :)
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(PS: bring back your cute little bear avatar, me misses him... :))
Yes, me too.
Now pass the big wooden spoon... :)
Certainly... :)
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I got a special offer from SKY for a one year unlimited Broadband for £30, so here I am... :)
But come June of this year if I don't manage to talk Sky into giving me another good deal for broadband, I'll be quite happy to leave the internet behind and devote all my time to my miggies... :)
Ummm if you have unlimited money like you claim why in the world would you haggle over the internet services? Or why would you wait to go online until some super cheap deal came along?
I'm starting to detect some bs...
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Sorry seem to have lost this Post ...:)
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Franko
My last post to your silliness. Why dont you just tell the truth? Its much easier to remember and makes you a much better person. Dont just make shit up here. You are probably some 25 year old tosser in some shack in some Godforsaken town in Scotland barely scrapping by playing with your amiga 500.... you are a dime a dozen my friend.
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I guess you missed when Franko donated something like 20 or 30 1-year Amiga.org membership fees for a contest a couple of months ago.
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I did miss it.. however I dont care how much money that tosser has.. to act the way he does and say things that way is so LOW CLASS. I hate that sort of behaviour.
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I envy those people who still get a kick out of using their Amigas day to day, but for me the interest gradually evaporated when I started using other platforms (Mac, Win, Linux) and more powerful hardware.
Turns out I'm more interested in computers in general than any one specific platform.
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I did miss it.. however I dont care how much money that tosser has.. to act the way he does and say things that way is so LOW CLASS. I hate that sort of behaviour.
Wow... onto class wars now... you are a sad little git indeed... :lol:
If you don't care as you claim just how much money this little tosser has then why have you brought it up in two separate threads here... methinks your just a poor jealous peasant... :)
Me... I'm a very well off low life who laughs at sad gits like you and loves every minute of it... :)
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Franko
I'm done with you. Obviously you are the "peasant" if you are such a talented coder that you can hack Elbox drivers and you have all this money why dont you make yourself useful and start an amiga company? or you just want to slack on here and insult people and tell everyone how rich and smart you are?
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Franko
I'm done with you. Obviously you are the "peasant" if you are such a talented coder that you can hack Elbox drivers and you have all this money why dont you make yourself useful and start an amiga company? or you just want to slack on here and insult people and tell everyone how rich and smart you are?
Took you a while to get over it eh... :)
There a perfect example of my coding on Aminet, how many folk that can't code do you know that has written a DVD burner prog for the Amiga... :)
(also there are plenty of examples of my code on my website all of which are free to download, even for weirdos like you...) :)
I don't need to "slack" as you call it, born poor, die rich that's me but it was all down to working hard and earning my money that at the age of 37 when I'll health got me I could afford to retire for the rest of my life and live off my savings & investments without ever scrounging of the state... :)
So before you go posting your lies and absolute sh&t about me get your facts right and stop making false accusations and claims or my friend I can assure you, you will regret it... :)
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So before you go posting your lies and absolute sh&t about me get your facts right and stop making false accusations and claims or my friend I can assure you, you will regret it...
Let me tell you this, you are lucky you live in scotland if you were anywhere near me i'd pay you a visit you chump
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@magnetic I think you should take a good look in the mirror dude, and see if the sh*t your flinging at franko isnt on your own face.
Seriously, where are you coming from?
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I'm not a moderator or anything but I think I speak for everyone in saying thats enough, magnetic. Calm down, take your hands off the keyboard, there is no need for personal attacks and threats.
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you need to calm down too franko
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So before you go posting your lies and absolute sh&t about me get your facts right and stop making false accusations and claims or my friend I can assure you, you will regret it...
Let me tell you this, you are lucky you live in scotland if you were anywhere near me i'd pay you a visit you chump
Oooh I'm scared, I'm telling my mum on you... :nervous:
Your damn right I'm lucky I live in Scotland as at least I only have to laugh at you online and not in your face... :)
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you need to calm down too franko
I know your right, but for whatever reason he just won't give it up... :(
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Yeah I know, this stuff gets kinda pointless after a while though.
and as the thread title says "It's not fun anymore"
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Peasants are Heroes where I`m from.Ever heard of The Battle of Morgarten?
You shouldnt insult Peasants;)
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Franko
My last post to your silliness. Why dont you just tell the truth? Its much easier to remember and makes you a much better person. Dont just make shit up here. You are probably some 25 year old tosser in some shack in some Godforsaken town in Scotland barely scrapping by playing with your amiga 500.... you are a dime a dozen my friend.
@Magnetic. What's all this about then? It seems a bit over the top. What are you hiding?
@Franko. If you leave the internet in June this year how will this affect your post count? You will fail in your quest to catch Karlos. Some people just don't think... :roflmao:
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Peasant: Its not for the likes of me to question me betters.
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@Franko. If you leave the internet in June this year how will this affect your post count? You will fail in your quest to catch Karlos. Some people just don't think... :roflmao:
At the rate I'm having to post here tonight I'll have caught up on Karlos before he wakes up in the morning... :lol:
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you need to calm down too franko
don't see there's owt wrong with defending oneself form unprovoked attacks. I don't think iv'e ever seen franko deliberately start an argument. (unusual in itself for a scotsman!)
As for franko being rich but looking for the best sky deal...everyone knows even scots millionaires turn the toilet roll over so they can use it again!
(disclaimer: my dad's scots, this gives me a free run on scotish jokes)
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So before you go posting your lies and absolute sh&t about me get your facts right and stop making false accusations and claims or my friend I can assure you, you will regret it...
Let me tell you this, you are lucky you live in scotland if you were anywhere near me i'd pay you a visit you chump
What a funt you are.
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But come June of this year if I don't manage to talk Sky into giving me another good deal for broadband, I'll be quite happy to leave the internet behind and devote all my time to my miggies... :)
Hah. You'd get abstinence problems soon enough and come back to us...
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What a funt you are.
What's a funt?
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What's a funt?
a fucking kitty.
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a fucking kitty.
Isn't that what they're designed for? Adding "fucking" seems a bit redundant imo.
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Ummm if you have unlimited money like you claim why in the world would you haggle over the internet services? Or why would you wait to go online until some super cheap deal came along?
I'm starting to detect some bs...
....ummmm.....Scottish?
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hmmmmmm...
I think if i used funt as an insult they would probably laugh at me! It sounds really cute!
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Actually f comes from fat...
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Or in cockney rhyming slang 'you alan'
alan funt...$%&* :)
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But come June of this year if I don't manage to talk Sky into giving me another good deal for broadband, I'll be quite happy to leave the internet behind and devote all my time to my miggies... :)
You won't be going anywhere Franko :lol: This site will become an additional part of your Amiga world and the questions and information in the threads will just give you even more reasons to switch on your Amiga's. Resistance is futile!! :)
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You won't be going anywhere Franko :lol: This site will become an additional part of your Amiga world and the questions and information in the threads will just give you even more reasons to switch on your Amiga's. Resistance is futile!! :)
Most likely not... as when you call SKY to get your box repaired (at least once every two years) and they say they are going to charge you a £65 call out fee, you simply have to say "well I'd like to cancel my susbscription then"...
And bobs your auntie, you get a nice shiny new SKY+ box, no fee and a months free subscription... :) (it never fails... :lol:)
Can't wait to see what deal I get when I tell them I don't want to renew my broadband subscription... ;)
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Most likely not... as when you call SKY to get your box repaired (at least once every two years) and they say they are going to charge you a £65 call out fee, you simply have to say "well I'd like to cancel my susbscription then"...
And bobs your auntie, you get a nice shiny new SKY+ box, no fee and a months free subscription... :) (it never fails... :lol:)
Can't wait to see what deal I get when I tell them I don't want to renew my broadband subscription... ;)
You are right about the call out charge being a bluff mate. They kept sending me letters saying that I needed to insure my Sky+ HD for £15 a month, which I never did. Then when the hard drive packed up they came and fitted a new Sky+HD box for free. The butt heads! :lol:
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hey tension you dont need to get involved or get nasty. Obviously you are pretty low class as well. Go (#*@# off. If you read the the thread your boyfriend there threatened me first, i quoted him in the quote you posted. You should learn to mind your business.
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hey tension you dont need to get involved or get nasty. Obviously you are pretty low class as well. Go (#*@# off. If you read the the thread your boyfriend there threatened me first, i quoted him in the quote you posted. You should learn to mind your business.
Ooooh... boyfriend now... it was so quite last night I was hoping you had crawled back under your rock... :)
And numptie I never threatened you, I simply told you you would regret it nothing to to with physical violence like you implied to me. So once again pack it in or you will regret it... :)
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This place is getting hostile. Go ahead and have disagreements, but keep the arguments civil. I don't want to think that Amiga users are pretty small minded... No new hardware to boast about, I'll insult someone instead.
My experience here primarily involves waiting for hardware and software news. Also to debate the future of the hobby, ask some questions about the past and stay in touch with Amiga programming knowledge.
There's an old saying, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all." Just be considerate at least.
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hey tension you dont need to get involved or get nasty. Obviously you are pretty low class as well. Go (#*@# off. If you read the the thread your boyfriend there threatened me first, i quoted him in the quote you posted. You should learn to mind your business.
It's a public forum that we all use and try to enjoy, ergo it is anyone who uses it's business when this sort of behavior is displayed. Granted I dont condone the way in which Tension responded, but I do understand why someone might react that way.
While your nickname here is familiar to me I cant say anything you've ever said has stood out, so I can only assume the way you've responded to Franko isnt the way you normally behave, but surely the fact that more people here have reacted to you suggests that you might need to rethink your responses (or retorts as seems more accurate right now).
Having said this though Franko isnt blameless here either (it takes 2 to argue).
As for the money thing, I really couldnt care less how much money someone has or doesnt have (unless they want to give me some :)), but surely common sense says that people who do have money havent gotten themselves in that position by being frivolous with it (at least until theyve gotten themselves comfortable)?
Although I suspect logic and/or common sense have no place in aggressive rants (I know they dont for me) :)
In conclusion I say, either chill out both of you, or at very least televise the big fisticuffs event.
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Sorry folks if some of you are getting a bit annoyed and fed up with this nonsense, but I've no Idea who this guy is or what his agenda is all about...
His personal attack came right out of the blue and I'm not the type of person who will just sit here quietly and not respond to such comments and personal attacks...
I'd be more than happy to drop the whole thing but it seems this guy isn't going to let that happen, so I can only apologise in advance to you all if this stuff if annoying you or spoiling your enjoyment here...
If this guy wishes to continue with this crap then so be it but expect me to respond in such a childish manner as he has been doing, as at the end of the day I'm not the type to just sit back and take it... :)
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I don't think iv'e ever seen franko deliberately start an argument. (unusual in itself for a scotsman!)
What about Sir William Wallace ?? :lol: (sorry to all the Brits out there)
I love in Braveheart where Wallace (aka Mel Gibson) says "Imm go'n to pick a fite!" :swords:
(disclaimer: my dad's scots, this gives me a free run on scotish jokes)
Does being 1/8th Scottish count aswell ?? :drink:
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So..... how 'bout that Atari ST?
*tries distracting everybody*
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So..... how 'bout that Atari ST?
*tries distracting everybody*
Franko's got more money than god, he built his house out of ST's, and has a cray as a walk in freezer ;)
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Franko's got more money than god, he built his house out of ST's, and has a cray as a walk in freezer ;)
Ah, the git!
Let's pee in his mailbox!
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Okay, Chaps
Chill out and calm down.
Let's try to be civil and watch the language.
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Franko for president.
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Try going back to an Amiga 1000, 500, or 2000, then it will be fun again. Whenever people "upgrade" their Amiga computers to be more like a modern PC, that is when they nolonger have an Amiga computer.
Try hooking up a stereo system to an Amiga 2000. Run Protracker, load up some cool mods and "turn up the volume".
Or load up F/A-18 Interceptor and "turn up the volume".
Or hook up a stereo system and cassette recorder to an Amiga 2000, run Protracker and record your favorite mods to cassette tapes, then hook up the cassette recorder/player to your PC sound card's line in jack and record those mods on your PC. Then burn Amiga mod audio CDs and play them in your car while cruzzing. Do not forget to "turn up the volume".
Try watching animations that were created on the older Amiga computers ( pre 1990 ).
Try playing the Amiga versions of Ultima V or VI from start to finish (bet you can not do it). Or try playing the Amiga version of Star Flight, a role playing sci-fi adventure game that took over 15 years to produce.
Try the old Video Toaster 2000 system with the VT 2.0 software. See if you can do the Star Trek transporter effect. Make a music video of your friends or family. Create a short movie or your very own sit-com.
Try Genlocking text and graphics onto your family videos.
DO NOT GIVE UP. There are plenty of things to do on an Amiga computer, just as long as it is not an "upgraded" one. :)
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hey tension you dont need to get involved or get nasty. Obviously you are pretty low class as well. Go (#*@# off. If you read the the thread your boyfriend there threatened me first, i quoted him in the quote you posted. You should learn to mind your business.
Die!
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Try going back to an Amiga 1000, 500, or 2000, then it will be fun again. Whenever people "upgrade" their Amiga computers to be more like a modern PC, that is when they nolonger have an Amiga computer.
Try hooking up a stereo system to an Amiga 2000. Run Protracker, load up some cool mods and "turn up the volume".
Or load up F/A-18 Interceptor and "turn up the volume".
Or hook up a stereo system and cassette recorder to an Amiga 2000, run Protracker and record your favorite mods to cassette tapes, then hook up the cassette recorder/player to your PC sound card's line in jack and record those mods on your PC. Then burn Amiga mod audio CDs and play them in your car while cruzzing. Do not forget to "turn up the volume".
Try watching animations that were created on the older Amiga computers ( pre 1990 ).
Try playing the Amiga versions of Ultima V or VI from start to finish (bet you can not do it). Or try playing the Amiga version of Star Flight, a role playing sci-fi adventure game that took over 15 years to produce.
Try the old Video Toaster 2000 system with the VT 2.0 software. See if you can do the Star Trek transporter effect. Make a music video of your friends or family. Create a short movie or your very own sit-com.
Try Genlocking text and graphics onto your family videos.
DO NOT GIVE UP. There are plenty of things to do on an Amiga computer, just as long as it is not an "upgraded" one. :)
This is my idea for my A2000. I want to keep it pretty simple, but flexible enough with the stuff thats out there. The end goal would be perhaps to have it networked enough to hit a BBS or the GOPHER net. Right now I just enjoy the sound of the floppy as it loads up Chaos Engine :D
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Keep it amiga.
Don't forget to actually enjoy your machine every now and again, rather than being constantly worried about whether to add this or that PC expansion :)
Don't fret over whether you can afford a powerPC or 060 board. Rock it with your 030, or your plain unexpanded 500
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Keep it amiga.
Don't forget to actually enjoy your machine every now and again, rather than being constantly worried about whether to add this or that PC expansion :)
Don't fret over whether you can afford a powerPC or 060 board. Rock it with your 030, or your plain unexpanded 500
I fret about if the next time I turned my Amiga on would be the last. So I sold my real Amiga's and run emulation, and Aros. I don't really care about if pc hardware dies, I've got tons of it and it is cheap.
I'd definitely take another miggy if it was dropped in my lap... maybe I'll check ebay and see if a 1200 will drop in my lap :)
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I fret about if the next time I turned my Amiga on would be the last. So I sold my real Amiga's and run emulation, and Aros. I don't really care about if pc hardware dies, I've got tons of it and it is cheap.
I'd definitely take another miggy if it was dropped in my lap... maybe I'll check ebay and see if a 1200 will drop in my lap :)
yeah, I worry about that too, but so far I'll trust in my luck. I am looking for a spare 1200 though, once this one finally gives up the ghost.
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I fret about if the next time I turned my Amiga on would be the last. So I sold my real Amiga's and run emulation, and Aros. I don't really care about if pc hardware dies, I've got tons of it and it is cheap.
I'd definitely take another miggy if it was dropped in my lap... maybe I'll check ebay and see if a 1200 will drop in my lap :)
And why should it die just like that?
A few busted caps is about the worst that could happen and a few $ and a couple of minutes with a soldering iron and it is up an running for many years to come. You can even do it as a preventive measure.
Contrary to the PC, the Amiga is serviceable. The PC is disposable technology.
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Its not fun when I look on ebay and I see a dungeon master disk and manual, no box, going for 48 dollars. Or a dude trying to sell his 3000 without the zip ram, cos he's selling them separately for 200 some bucks. Or a blizzard PPC card for a 1200 going for 600+ dollars. It's so random the pricing points.
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Try going back to an Amiga 1000, 500, or 2000, then it will be fun again. Whenever people "upgrade" their Amiga computers to be more like a modern PC, that is when they nolonger have an Amiga computer.
Try hooking up a stereo system to an Amiga 2000. Run Protracker, load up some cool mods and "turn up the volume".
Or load up F/A-18 Interceptor and "turn up the volume".
Or hook up a stereo system and cassette recorder to an Amiga 2000, run Protracker and record your favorite mods to cassette tapes, then hook up the cassette recorder/player to your PC sound card's line in jack and record those mods on your PC. Then burn Amiga mod audio CDs and play them in your car while cruzzing. Do not forget to "turn up the volume".
Try watching animations that were created on the older Amiga computers ( pre 1990 ).
Try playing the Amiga versions of Ultima V or VI from start to finish (bet you can not do it). Or try playing the Amiga version of Star Flight, a role playing sci-fi adventure game that took over 15 years to produce.
Try the old Video Toaster 2000 system with the VT 2.0 software. See if you can do the Star Trek transporter effect. Make a music video of your friends or family. Create a short movie or your very own sit-com.
Try Genlocking text and graphics onto your family videos.
DO NOT GIVE UP. There are plenty of things to do on an Amiga computer, just as long as it is not an "upgraded" one. :)
So you're saying that if someone with an a1k/a2k decides to use thier zorro slots they suddenly have a pc ? Some of the most popular zorro based cards are based on "pc" graphics cards (cv64/cv643d/picasso4/etc for example)
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DO NOT GIVE UP. There are plenty of things to do on an Amiga computer, just as long as it is not an "upgraded" one. :)
Yes, because as we all know, adding increased CPU power, more memory, network, RTG etc actually means you can do less :lol:
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In recent years, I've used my classic machines more, rather than less, thanks to their being upgraded with basic facilities like network access.
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In recent years, I've used my classic machines more, rather than less, thanks to their being upgraded with basic facilities like network access.
I get what he means, when you start buying £1000 PPC cards for £400 A4000/030s etc etc you still will be limited with something as simple as browsing certain modern websites with problems. So more is less as he kind of says.
I do still have plenty of fun with Dpaint AGA and ALL my website pixel art is possible on a stock A1200 to be honest. So depends on your point of view really.
Whether you play Amiga game soundtracks via one of those MP3 compilations or on an actual Amiga using the original MOD file is going to make no difference to enjoying the awesome Amiga catalogue of music available too :)
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I get what he means, when you start buying £1000 PPC cards for £400 A4000/030s etc etc you still will be limited with something as simple as browsing certain modern websites with problems. So more is less as he kind of says.
I get what he says too...KISS principle. Keep it simple. Sometimes people can miss the elegance of a basic Amiga setup. You define your parameters more simply and take huge advantage of what can be done in those parameters.
Like look at the C64 scene...they have (mostly) a single, unchanged hardware setup that has remained the same across decades and millions of computers, and they've stretched it to the limit to do amazing things.
The more bits and bobs you add to your Amiga, the less compatible you make it with other Amigas and the more likely the house of cards is to fail.
I'm not against an expanded Amiga....I had an A2000 that was expanded almost to the maximum....but it became a real headache to keep running after a while, and I knew that when some of the rarer bits of hardware failed, I would have no way of replacing them. Whereas with a stock Amiga (maybe with a common 1/2MB RAM expansion and a simple hard drive) it's easy to find replacement parts.
A stock Amiga can really do a LOT of stuff if you stop trying to think about it as having to do everything a modern PC or MAC does and instead think of it as a creative tool for specific, unique uses....like a game programming platform (AMOS), or a pixel-art studio (DPAINT), or a music composition machine (Trackers).
Sometimes more is less. For instance....I record music. Back in the 1980s/90s I had only a simple setup that could do MIDI and I had to bounce tracks between two cassette tape decks to do overdubs of real instruments. Sometimes I rented a cassette four-track but that was IT. Still, I recorded tons of stuff and used that technology to its maximum.
Now I have a computer on my desktop that can record 128 tracks of audio, has about 100 effects to choose from, and can do more than most professional recording studios could do in the 1980 or early 1990s. But does that immense choice help me be more productive? Unfortunately no. Sometimes I find myself just overwhelmed with the amount of choice. I am constantly tweaking effects, timing, EQ, latency settings, etc. instead of doing actual music composition. I think a lot of musicians have experienced this.
Like I said in another thread, sometimes I feel like setting up a plain Amiga 500 again with a simple MIDI sequencer and a couple synths and drum machine and just go at it, writing music rather than tweaking.
I still love DAWs and expanded Amigas....I just am finding simple systems more and more beautiful now rather than disdaining them like I used to.