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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ElPolloDiabl on January 03, 2011, 03:20:14 PM
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Intels new cpu includes media encoding called quick sync as a co-processor on the cpu. The benchmarks are jawdropping (to me at least). See this page:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-5.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-5.html)
If Amiga were around today we'd want to see co-processors like this. If only they could make the system adapt and use cpu die graphics for one thing and save the graphics card for heavy tasks (at the same time).
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If Amiga were around today we'd want to see co-processors like this
Have you not heard the news. Amiga is around today!
And of course this will be in the new Amigas as standard...
Therefore no need to catch up.
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It also restricts where/when and how long you can watch the HD Content and what on !
I wouldn't call the a step forward, would you ?
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It also restricts where/when and how long you can watch the HD Content and what on !
I wouldn't call the a step forward, would you ?
looks like 'Big Brother's watching':madashell:
wont see one of those things ever in my house:afro:
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Have you not heard the news. Amiga is around today!
And of course this will be in the new Amigas as standard...
Therefore no need to catch up.
Have you actually shipped any products to end users yet?
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It has DRM for HD streaming from certain content providers.
If we can take our tin-foil hats off for a moment....
As far as I can tell it isn't watching what you do....
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Have you actually shipped any products to end users yet?
Phoenix yes, many months ago, before we closed the store.
I was one of those customers before I got involved.
We haven't released any Amigas yet.
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It has DRM for HD streaming from certain content providers.
If we can take our tin-foil hats off for a moment....
As far as I can tell it isn't watching what you do....
The DRM crap is bad enough. Personally I refuse to touch technology that encourages more DRM, I'm not going to be part of the problem by giving money on any product that creates revenue for these cartels.
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If you are so against DRM then I guess you never bought an XBox, Playstation or iPhone either then.
Heck, you better not have bought cable TV either..
I'm not saying I'm in love with the technology...but the horse has already bolted.
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The DRM crap is bad enough. Personally I refuse to touch technology that encourages more DRM, I'm not going to be part of the problem by giving money on any product that creates revenue for these cartels.
It _can_ do DRM certified decoding, but that is not what the tech is for. ATI and NVidia GPUs can also be used with protected path (DRM) content. ALL modern video processing including ALL of the IGP used in laptops etc are capable in exactly the same way that this tech is.
Tin foil hat removal required!
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I think they are quite good with movies. Itunes is expensive and I won't touch that.
Unintrusive drm doesn't bother me. I can and will download 10 movies overnight and watch them the next day. I then feel obligated to buy the ones I liked. I think the problem is when you get treated like sheep/schmucks...
Like intel selling a CPU that can be unlocked for more power if you pay the money and get the unlocking code.
How about cable tv with ads as one more thing to complain about.
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Like intel selling a CPU that can be unlocked for more power if you pay the money and get the unlocking code.
I wonder how long it will be before someone like GeoHotz cracks that rip off wide open?
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Have you not heard the news. Amiga is around today!
And of course this will be in the new Amigas as standard...
Therefore no need to catch up.
Please see this thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55937
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We haven't released any Amigas yet.
You previously said "Amigas are around today"?
Which is blatantly a lie.
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No, Nicholas, he said _Amiga_ is still around. Note the lack of a 's.' He's referring to CommodoreUSA's ownership of the Name. He then says "Amiga's will be..." and is make a prediction for the future. Don't confuse his enthusiasm with a lie.
That said, I think "orb85750" said it best.
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No, Nicholas, he said _Amiga_ is still around. Note the lack of a 's.' He's referring to CommodoreUSA's ownership of the Name. He then says "Amiga's will be..." and is make a prediction for the future. Don't confuse his enthusiasm with a lie.
That said, I think "orb85750" said it best.
They licensed the name. They don't own it.
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They licensed the name. They don't own it.
Granted. That doesn't change my point any, however. :)
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It _can_ do DRM certified decoding, but that is not what the tech is for. ATI and NVidia GPUs can also be used with protected path (DRM) content. ALL modern video processing including ALL of the IGP used in laptops etc are capable in exactly the same way that this tech is.
That's no excuse for not avoiding it when/where you can - the problem is that the more widespread the capability is, the more likely content producers are to mandate its use, and thus reducing access to content for those of us who refuse to buy products that are effectively intentionally damaged.
It's a paradox that the movie industry, for example, wants us to pay lots of money for access to products that are usually *inferior* to the pirated versions (tons of trailers and obnoxious anti-piracy ads coupled with DRM making it harder to copy the movie to a media server etc.). They do their best to make it less attractive to give them money vs. breaking laws most people have little respect for (based on the amount of piracy).
They live in the past, and I have no intention of encouraging them. I spend far in excess than average on movies for example (500+ DVD's, all legally bought), but refuse to switch to Blu-ray until I can be 100% sure that I can easily continue to rip all the movies to my file server and play them on the various TV's and computers in my house.
It's not that I categorically refuse all DRM, but I do avoid products with functionality intended to support DRM whenever there are choices that don't support it, and aim to pick products with the weakest DRM/DRM support when I don't want to sacrifice too much (e.g. DVD over Blu-ray, because the protections on DVD are so weak they are useless)
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If you are so against DRM then I guess you never bought an XBox, Playstation or iPhone either then.
Heck, you better not have bought cable TV either..
I'm not saying I'm in love with the technology...but the horse has already bolted.
Your List:
Xbox (Cracked)
Playstation (Cracked)
Iphone(Cracked)
Cable TV( Was cracked...now not)
I will add another weak link
HDCP (Cracked)
The horse hasn't bolted. Its made of MPAA legal wood with a load of lawyers inside.
The problem for me is when I buy something I consider I own it. I don't consider I have licenced it, hired it or borrowed it for the weekend, the further these morons try to decide that content be it physically stored or not, belongs to them when I have bought it fair and square, the more I will spend good money to circumvent their stupidity.
I know this flies in the face of the good folk of the amiga community, but if I pay good money for something I expect to use it under my terms and conditions not theirs. f**k em!
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No, Nicholas, he said _Amiga_ is still around. Note the lack of a 's.' He's referring to CommodoreUSA's ownership of the Name. He then says "Amiga's will be..." and is make a prediction for the future. Don't confuse his enthusiasm with a lie.
That said, I think "orb85750" said it best.
Perhaps tomorrow I will register Commodore Iran and Amiga Iran then announce future products based on x86 hardware and AROS.
There is diddly squat CUSA can do about it.
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If you are so against DRM then I guess you never bought an XBox, Playstation or iPhone either then.
I haven't, and I have no desire to, though for the XBox and Playstation that has nothing to do with DRM, rather that the games don't appeal to me. For the iPhone on the other hand it *does* have everything to do with the closed environment - I've no interest in ever getting an iPhone as long as it remains that way, I'll pick an Android phone any day.
Heck, you better not have bought cable TV either..
I'm not saying I'm in love with the technology...but the horse has already bolted.
I have no reason to avoid cable TV, as my cable provider lets me record and keep shows as long as I want.
The purpose of avoiding products with DRM is to prevent people from restricting how I use content I've paid for access to, and/or to reduce the acceptance of that DRM. Whenever DRM is used in a way that *only* prevents access by people who have not paid for it, I have no problems with it, what I have a problem with is DRM that restricts what I, as a paying customer, can do.
Thankfully most DRM on the market has already been cracked, but I'm still not going to throw money to the ones using it if I can avoid it without too big sacrifices (yeah, I'm not principled enough to avoid it at any cost, so sue me :) )
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Perhaps tomorrow I will register Commodore Iran and Amiga Iran then announce future products based on x86 hardware and AROS.
There is diddly squat CUSA can do about it.
Granted. But that's a different subject from my original point. :) Leo's (possibly overly optimistic) enthusiasm is still not the same as a lie. I know you don't trust him, and I don't blame you, but it's not really fair to call it a lie.
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Granted. But that's a different subject from my original point. :) Leo's (possibly overly optimistic) enthusiasm is still not the same as a lie. I know you don't trust him, and I don't blame you, but it's not really fair to call it a lie.
True. Truth-stretching may have been a better adjective.
Stay tuned for an announcement of an announcement from Commodore Amiga Iran very soon!
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Vote with your wallets, dont buy into DRM'ed products. Don't torrent or pirate DRM'ed media either. Simply ignore the game, song, movie etc. Don't talk it up online, don't rave to your friends about how great it is.
Ignore it and let it die.
If you aren't refusing the machine, you are feeding it.
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It's not that I categorically refuse all DRM, but I do avoid products with functionality intended to support DRM whenever there are choices that don't support it, and aim to pick products with the weakest DRM/DRM support when I don't want to sacrifice too much (e.g. DVD over Blu-ray, because the protections on DVD are so weak they are useless)
I think I can kinda see your argument but I'm not sure that it applies fairly here. How could Intel make a modern -useful- video encode/decode engine that didn't support allow for DRM signed media? It'd be completely useless since it's purpose is too play back common media like, DVD/Blu-ray/etc that are all DRM'd up the wazoo.
Sure it's nice that other decoders/encoders will take advatange of it, and it'll be an awesome boon for resync'ing a lot of poorly encoded Anime I watch :) but that's not it's point and it's ability too support DRM'd media is only a tiny fraction of it's functionality.
No-one is making anything that doesn't support it anymore because if they want to be of _any_ use to most people then it's got to be in there :(
I agree that DRM itself on movie and music is rubbish to the point of being offensive but it's a stupid reason for people (not necessarily yourself) to lambast Intel for adding a bunch of really cool and useful features to their hardware.
Andy
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Vote with your wallets, dont buy into DRM'ed products. Don't torrent or pirate DRM'ed media either. Simply ignore the game, song, movie etc. Don't talk it up online, don't rave to your friends about how great it is.
Ignore it and let it die.
If you aren't refusing the machine, you are feeding it.
Voting with your wallet doesn't work, if even 5% refuses to buy a prodect because of drm there is still 10% that is busy cracking and copying it. who do you think they pay attention to. People who ignore the drm will talk it up, and if it is good it will sell.
What we need to do is what we did with Bioshock, complain the heck out of it till the publisher realizes they need to take legitimate customers needs into account. Piracy, drm circumvention etc. won't do that, it will only make things worse.
The music, games, and movie industries are slowly finding ways to make things better. I buy movies many times that have digital copy for example. Is it perfect, no, but it is getting better. Most companies are interested in legitimate customer complaints.
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Voting with your wallet doesn't work, if even 5% refuses to buy a prodect because of drm there is still 10% that is busy cracking and copying it. who do you think they pay attention to. People who ignore the drm will talk it up, and if it is good it will sell.
What we need to do is what we did with Bioshock, complain the heck out of it till the publisher realizes they need to take legitimate customers needs into account. Piracy, drm circumvention etc. won't do that, it will only make things worse.
The music, games, and movie industries are slowly finding ways to make things better. I buy movies many times that have digital copy for example. Is it perfect, no, but it is getting better. Most companies are interested in legitimate customer complaints.
I think you are actually saying some of the same things I was, namely that pirating the game still promotes it. I wasn't advocating piracy at all.
The usual outcome at least for games seems to be that the company eventually makes the DRM ever so slightly bad, and people cheer and feel they won.
Corporate conclusion: Games with DRM sell just fine, we can always give them 2 more activations when they start complaining.
Not sure if there's a real solution under the current model. Effectively right now, we have a setup where people (60% of the user base for applications, likely closer to 10% for games and music) pay for media because they chose to do so.
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No, I didn't think you were promoting piracy, that is what some people see as a solution though. The thing is I don't thnk drm is going anywhere. What we will see is a period where we and they air the problems and a solution that takes everyones right into account will eventally evolve.
significant missteps like sony's securom and the lawsuits surrounding it help us iron out the (many) wrinkles, and legitimate grievances we have.
most companies realize that we are were thier income is coming from and do react to consumer pressure just like bioshocks publishers did. Most of peoples complaints disapeared when 2k games tweaked thier drm because of customer input.
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No, I didn't think you were promoting piracy, that is what some people see as a solution though. The thing is I don't thnk drm is going anywhere. What we will see is a period where we and they air the problems and a solution that takes everyones right into account will eventally evolve.
significant missteps like sony's securom and the lawsuits surrounding it help us iron out the (many) wrinkles, and legitimate grievances we have.
most companies realize that we are were thier income is coming from and do react to consumer pressure just like bioshocks publishers did. Most of peoples complaints disapeared when 2k games tweaked thier drm because of customer input.
Agreed, the market will balance itself out eventually. It always does.
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No, I didn't think you were promoting piracy, that is what some people see as a solution though. The thing is I don't thnk drm is going anywhere. What we will see is a period where we and they air the problems and a solution that takes everyones right into account will eventally evolve.
significant missteps like sony's securom and the lawsuits surrounding it help us iron out the (many) wrinkles, and legitimate grievances we have.
most companies realize that we are were thier income is coming from and do react to consumer pressure just like bioshocks publishers did. Most of peoples complaints disapeared when 2k games tweaked thier drm because of customer input.
I do agree if you want to partake in most media these days, you have to decide what level of DRM are acceptable for you. Most people seem to put things like Steam at one end, with invasive rootkits or similar things (Starforce) at the other end.
Commercially, its a balancing act between both extremes.
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"Have you not heard the news. Amiga is around today!
And of course this will be in the new Amigas as standard...
Therefore no need to catch up.
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Leo Nigro, CTO Commodore USA, LLC
The opinions expressed in this forum are my own and are not those of Commodore USA. "
First of all, your the only known buyer of the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it that we know of, and you ended up
being the new "Chief technical officer" of this "company" which is a voicemail box at someone's house. That fact alone makes me laugh
everytime I hear anything from you.
Second of all, they already announced several other products that they backpedaled on and never released. All those products were someone else's computer with a new fancy name and a commodore sticker slapped on them. All those products dissapeared from the website without any explanation.
You stole parts of the first website direct from apple's website...
Your ceo threatened to sue osnews.com for stating facts...
Sounds like your new plan actually includes building pc's from components which I don't think you can technically handle, even though my 10 year old nephew can. Workbench? OS? Oh boy a ubuntu respin with amiga wallpapers too. Show us something, or stop making announcements for things that will never be.
You made announcements claiming you had a 30 million dollar advertising budget and that ads would be on national televsion by the holidays. Gee I don't remember seeing any commodore ads... Oh thats right your own ad agency said they didn't even start filming anything yet.
Don't assume that anyone here wants to hear your bullshit. Ship some products and stop talking and making announcements.
Steven
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The thing is I don't thnk drm is going anywhere. What we will see is a period where we and they air the problems and a solution that takes everyones right into account will eventally evolve.
...or big money entities such as RIAA et al, could just continue to do what they do best. Do whatever it takes to make a profit.
A solution may evolve, but it's unlikely to take everyone's rights in to account. There are not too many notable instances of that having happened in the arena of digital products. In many cases it seems two sides can't even agree on what constitutes a digital product and what is a right and what is not.
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You made announcements claiming you had a 30 million dollar advertising budget and that ads would be on national televsion by the holidays.
OMG!!! Was that really claimed? 30 million dollars! I just fell out of my chair and severely injured my stomach muscles from laughing so hard.
LoL! 30 Million.... lol!:smack:
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"NEW YORK, NY and FT. LAUDERDALE, FL September 14, 2010 – Commodore USA announced today the selection of Korey Kay & Partners as its Agency of Record for Branding and Creative Development. Projected budget: $30 million.
After a three month agency search, Commodore USA President and Chairman Barry Altman selected the New York based agency to create and produce the integrated marketing programs for all Commodore USA brands, including Commodore and Amiga computers."
Of course, if you call the advertising agency place they will tell you they never even started filming ads yet and don't or won't confirm what the budget is. CUSA also stated there would be ads on national television by christmas, and that never happened.
I think calling CUSA or anyone associated with them a LIER isn't far off the mark...
Steven
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I have no reason to avoid cable TV, as my cable provider lets me record and keep shows as long as I want.
The purpose of avoiding products with DRM is to prevent people from restricting how I use content I've paid for access to, and/or to reduce the acceptance of that DRM. Whenever DRM is used in a way that *only* prevents access by people who have not paid for it, I have no problems with it, what I have a problem with is DRM that restricts what I, as a paying customer, can do.
Funny, I still hate the way my cable TV content is controlled for me. I'd avoid them but they have a monopoly in my area so without them I've no TV. Yes, it allows me to record TV shows and play them back whenever I like, but only on my cable box which is a pretty poor quality unit with some shockingly bad design features. Previously, when it was cracked, I had a media device with the same functionality, only it also allowed me to stream and/or copy my recorded shows to any computer on my network as MPEG video, and to act as a media player to stream from the network. It also didn't need to be rebooted several times a week like the "official" unit or stutter when recording from one transponder while watching the other. Or randomly forget to record certain shows...
Oh well, such is progress I guess.
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@Haywirepc
Personally I had been willing to give CommodoreUSA a chance to screw up befre I condemned them, but that changed with the personal attacks on both ClusterUK and Phoenixconsole (both of who actually *do* something for the amiga platform and arent all talk). The final icing on the cake was bigbentheaussie, quite proudly pasteing some information in a public forum (aw.net) that ClusterUK had told him, that was meant to be "secret" until that particular project was finished. Now that's not just bad business, but deplorable in general. This was also followed up but some rather baffling attempts to support his actions in that same forum incognito, but it was only half disguised anyway, very much like him wearing a bigbentheaussie suit.
Now as for the actual thread topic, Intel are a very well oiled machine these days, I suspect off the back of AMD giving them a bit of a scare around 2006. These days though theyre pretty much untouchable in the cpu market and credit where it's due, make a hell of a nice cpu. I must question the thread title though,...... Amiga has already had more than it's fair share of playing catch up.... 20 years or so of it, and things are just getting worse day by day. The best it can offer is a yet unrealeased system, who if benchmarks are any indication will struggle to compete with the absolute weakest, most budget cpu (about $30) available. Not to mention the weak ram (in modern terms) subsystem.
Seems absolutely crazy to delay a product for so long that was somewhat weak in the 1st place. 12 months in computer terms is a heck of a long time.
Yes, this is probably a bit negative, but it's disappointing to see what a screw up the NG Amiga has become. Amiga for me represented a nice, friendly system with good creative software and a good price (albiet never completely competitive performance). Sure the OS itself is fast on weak hardware, but the OS alone simply doesnt cut it for those sorts of prices. (I mean heck, even mobile phones can play HD video).
Each to thier own and whatnot, but I think I'll stick to the classics myself. At least they have some nice software, and they dont claim to be modern systems.
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I think I can kinda see your argument but I'm not sure that it applies fairly here. How could Intel make a modern -useful- video encode/decode engine that didn't support allow for DRM signed media? It'd be completely useless since it's purpose is too play back common media like, DVD/Blu-ray/etc that are all DRM'd up the wazoo.
If Intel wasn't making it, and customer aren't buying it, then publishers would face a far harder choice. The only way of fighting this type of DRM is to direct your cash away from the DRM'd solution whenever available. If picking a certain type of DRM reduces their market even 5%, they'll think twice, or get trounced by any competitor that catches on, because losing even 5% of their sales will gut their margins.
That changes are possible is clear: Witness iTunes move towards offering most content without DRM.
I agree that DRM itself on movie and music is rubbish to the point of being offensive but it's a stupid reason for people (not necessarily yourself) to lambast Intel for adding a bunch of really cool and useful features to their hardware.
I don't particularly care - I just won't buy any CPU's with this functionality built in if I have any choice at all. Judging from reaction elsewhere, such as on Reddit, there are plenty others who are prepared to vote with their wallets and buy something else as long as they have reasonable choices.
I don't see this as important enough to make any really huge sacrifices for, but it is important enough that I'll happily avoid any content I can't get access to without it for the time being. There's enough good content out there that's not encumbered so badly that I can keep myself occupied for several lifetimes anyway.
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All the more reason for Amiga OS to move over to x86. Amiga was designed as a desktop OS.
I'm not sure if you could poach a lot of AROS to speed up the process. Let's suppose it takes ten years... In ten years PowerPC (available to us) might advance one more generation, but x86 will advance probably six generations.
A computer is your entry point to the digital world, it would be nice to have a nice operating system to put on it.
It actually doesn't bother me if the two PowerPc OSes never come to x86, AROS seems to be gaining momentum and Windows is looking very one dimensional in it's approach. We may look back at this time, "That gawd awful Windows era."
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Not sure how a new Intel chip affects the Amiga. For all those whining about DRM and sneaky keyed decoding, you'd do well to investigate how much is inherently within your non Amiga OS's. The big name OS's have been chock full of it for years.
90%+ of modern computer users don't know what DRM is, and don't care. Sadly. They want their AIM, Facebook and Gmail.
Aros doesn't run on 90% of the PC's I own, nor on my SAM 440, so it's as useless as a bag full of nipples to me regardless of what chips it runs on. I've had nothing but misery out of Aros trying to run it on "modern" gear, and having to scour eBay for old video cards to run it, nah. That being said, my recent experience with Morph was extremely pleasant, and OS 4 works great on the SAM. I hope all AmigaOS variants continue to be developed for us grunts to fiddle around with, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for any of them to overtake Linux, OS X, or Windows.
I love the Amiga, and always will. But anyone thinking a new chip, a new year, a new promise by C USA, A-EON that we're on the cusp of the Amiga retaking the computing world by storm is delusional.
There's no shame in enjoying hobbiest PC's, hell I bought a SAM. Cost nearly 4x what my iPhone did, and I can't view half the web with it, my iPhone does more in terms of "modrn computing" than the SAM does. I love it to death, but I'm also a realist.
Sorry to be a buzzkill :)
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"Scour ebay for old video cards to work with it" seems an odd thing to think for someone whos happy with OS4.x. AROS supports hardware much, much more recent than anything OS4.x supports, and in a more thorough way. AROS supports (2d accelerated) more modern radeon cards than os4, it supports intel gfx (2d accelelerated), and supports hardware accelerated Nvidia cards both in 2d and 3d. And with hardware you can walk into a shop today and buy. Additionally most of the time AROS doesnt work on a PC is due to user fault. To say it works nicely on 50% of current pc gear out there is probably an understatement. I have 4 pcs, all of which aros works fine on (granted none are newer than a 3.86ghz core2duo, but 2 years ago that was one quarter of the price of a Sam system is nowadays that its 10x as powerful as (being kind to the SAM).
Enjoy whatever you like, I have no qualm with that, but some of your sentiments are somewhat pear shaped.
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It's rubbishy DRM-infested crap, the hardware equivalent of Windoze Vista. I'll be giving Intel CPUs a miss from this point onwards.
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All the more reason for Amiga OS to move over to x86. Amiga was designed as a desktop OS.
I'm not sure if you could poach a lot of AROS to speed up the process. Let's suppose it takes ten years... In ten years PowerPC (available to us) might advance one more generation, but x86 will advance probably six generations.
A computer is your entry point to the digital world, it would be nice to have a nice operating system to put on it.
It actually doesn't bother me if the two PowerPc OSes never come to x86, AROS seems to be gaining momentum and Windows is looking very one dimensional in it's approach. We may look back at this time, "That gawd awful Windows era."
See that's the funny thing, at this current moment in time nobody really needs Windows at all (which is why Mac OS machines are selling so well now).
PC Gaming is dead (the only real reason you needed Windows).
Most stuff is web based activity like Facebook etc.
You can play movies/music on just about anything
You can even talk to MSN people on an Amiga
Torrenting is possible on anything with a reasonable speed CPU and LAN config.
So really if ChromeOS didn't have such a stupid GUI (a browser is your GUI!!!)
But nobody steps up to produce an alternative all-in-one solution for sale in shops other than Apple really.
How many people would actually wipe a 'free' copy of Windows from their PC to install a paid for replacement OS like AmigaOS x86 they had to buy in the grand scheme of billions of machines currently in use worldwide?
In that sense the free installs of AROS have the best chance of success, not MOS or OS4 converted to x86 IMO.
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PC gaming is far from dead, lol. Consoles have taken a large chunk of the market, but you'll notice that game developers are still publishing PC versions right along side of PS3 and 360 versions.
"Most stuff is web based activity like Facebook" is where the current Amiga's really fall behind. Half the modern, "hip" web 2.0 stuff isn't usable due to browser weaknesses on the Amiga. Developers are busting ass to remedy this on all the Amiga OS variants, thankfully. OWB and Timberwolf on my SAM don't offer half of what IE 5 did back in 1999. I can't even hit Gmail for my email needs in a reliable way on OS4.
There's a lot of promise in the Amiga OS variants on a hobby level regardless of what chips/platforms they run on. But they will never end up being a modern "this is the sole PC I own and it does everything any other $200 Windows PC will do", no matter how you slice it, for 90% of people that use computers in modern ways.
There's still some people using mildly beefed up A1200's for their daily computer, so it's mainly about what a guy needs. My "modern" Amiga (SAM) cannot even get my onto GMail or Facebook with proper HTML formatting or crashing, and until it does it's simply not a viable daily driver, sadly.
That being said, I've got zero shame about running old, slow hardware like the SAM and somewhat outdated OS like OS4 for nostalgia factor.
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The reality of the situation is for any machine/OS combo to be used by the masses you need....
Internet with all the bells and whistles (Flash CSS etc)
Clients for MSN etc for chat
CODECs and Players for every type of Audio/Video format imaginable (except WMV/WMA!)
Torrent clients
That's it really.
PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.
Me? I use KS 1.3/WB 1.3 because I don't need to only use an Amiga and surfing the web on Chrome removes 99% of the crappy Windows specific stuff I hate :)
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PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.
Conversely, I've found a few popular games which run far smoother and at higher resolutions and framerates on the PC than on, say, the XBOX360. True, the PC in question cost close to €900 to build, but it's also a mighty impressive Photoshop and video editing workstation, and emulates all machines up to GameCube and PS2 pretty effectively. Having said that, I prefer using consoles for my gaming due to the whole living room convenience aspect, and amongst my friends anyway it looks like consoles rule the average gaming market with only a few hardened, dedicated gamers using PCs
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PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.
The 12 million+ subscribers to World of Warcraft (PC/Mac only) and the 1.8 million sales of Starcraft II within 24 hours of launching show that PC gaming isn't down the crapper by any stretch. PC game distribution channels like Steam (recently ported to Mac as well) are doing better than ever with games for computers.
I do agree the console will continue to take a chunk out of the PC gaming market, but the idea one needs a $3000 PC to play a game as smoothly as a $200 XBox 360 would run it is insane. Outside of notoriously hardware hungry games like the Far Cry/Crysis franchise, most PC games run just fine on "common household" PC's that cost $500 and do much more than a console can. Many people still prefer PC gaming to consoles, and games like WoW that are immensely popular and not available on consoles show that. I've rarely found a game I have wanted to purchase that isn't both available on PC and console, or in some cases - strictly PC like WoW and some Steam provided games.
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PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.
That's a somewhat exagerated summary. Dead Space(s), Alan Wake, EA Sports games, Dead Rising2, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil(s),Silent Hill(s),GTA series, Saints Row(s), Devil May Cry series (which used to be console exclusive), Street Fighter(s) and many, many others spring to mind, and Im not even a big PC gamer. Also the whole "you need an expensive gaming rig" is a crock. A $500 gaming rig will typically outdo either ps3/xbox360 by a long shot, both in resolution, image quality, and effects. Sure a person can spend more if they want to increase the margin even further, but the console offerings are a little compromised in comparison to what a PC can offer these days.
Sure, pc gaming isnt as dominant as it once was, but it's far from dead, and personally while I like my xbox360 and use it more than my gaming pc, slowly but surely gaming on the pc is becoming more appealing thanks to the considerably better audiovisual experience.
At the end of the day I dont care too much, but the increasing frequency of hearing this sort of garbage makes it hard for me to bite my tongue sometimes.
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At the risk starting an argument, can some one please explain to me how a dead platform can "play catch up"?
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Aros doesn't run on 90% of the PC's I own, nor on my SAM 440, so it's as useless as a bag full of nipples to me regardless of what chips it runs on. I've had nothing but misery out of Aros trying to run it on "modern" gear, and having to scour eBay for old video cards to run it, nah. That being said, my recent experience with Morph was extremely pleasant, and OS 4 works great on the SAM. I hope all AmigaOS variants continue to be developed for us grunts to fiddle around with, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for any of them to overtake Linux, OS X, or Windows....
I have tried Aros on a wide variety of hardware with video from Nvidia to Ati and several integrated chipsets from Nvidia, Ati, and Intel. Cpus from PIII and Celeron, to P4 and Athlon64. Soundcards from ancient to brand new, add-in or integrated. And I have found less than 10% that it wouldn't run on. What gear is giving you trouble?
Seriously not putting you down or anything, but give it another try, and check the forums for help if you need. Aros really is maturing quite well. I don't think anyone thinks Aros will be a mainstream player, but it could easily become a usable everyday OS, it's well on it's way right now.
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At the risk starting an argument, can some one please explain to me how a dead platform can "play catch up"?
Aros, MorphOS, Minimig, and OS4 are direct decendants of Amiga and are currently being developed. When we say "Amiga" is alive it is the same as saying that Windows is still alive. Is Windows 3.0 still alive, no but it's decendent is. Same with MacOs etc.
The Commodore Amiga is dead but it's clones are still very much alive, and being developed.
Aros could very easily use this technology.
And yes you did want to start an argument.
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Main issues I've had with Aros compatibility are that I generally use PCI/PCIe SATA cards for my drives, which I've never had Aros work well with. It's my personal preference to use cards for SATA vs. onboard, so I can't fault the Aros team for not adding support for what is likely .001% of the hardware make up of their audience. I refuse to run old and slow, outdated IDE components, and I prefer add on SATA controllers :) Gfx cards have been very problematic as well for me ('d prefer not to be stuck with 2d), as the oldest gfx card I own is a 295.
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Main issues I've had with Aros compatibility are that I generally use PCI/PCIe SATA cards for my drives, which I've never had Aros work well with. It's my personal preference to use cards for SATA vs. onboard, so I can't fault the Aros team for not adding support for what is likely .001% of the hardware make up of their audience. I refuse to run old and slow, outdated IDE components :) Gfx cards have been very problematic as well for me ('d prefer not to be stuck with 2d), as the oldest gfx card I own is a 295.
Yeah, support for non-mainstream components like sata cards, and the newest video cards will always lag. Kindof like Linux in that respect. I always have tons of hardware so it is weird for me to not think in terms of how many complete setups could I build for a particular purpose.
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I do agree the console will continue to take a chunk out of the PC gaming market, but the idea one needs a $3000 PC to play a game as smoothly as a $200 XBox 360 would run it is insane. Outside of notoriously hardware hungry games like the Far Cry/Crysis franchise, most PC games run just fine on "common household" PC's that cost $500 and do much more than a console can. Many people still prefer PC gaming to consoles, and games like WoW that are immensely popular and not available on consoles show that. I've rarely found a game I have wanted to purchase that isn't both available on PC and console, or in some cases - strictly PC like WoW and some Steam provided games.
Yep. This "game XXX will run the same way on a $3000 PC and a $200 Xbox360" is plain stupid. Game XXX will run on a $3000 PC at 4 times the resolution, on two/three monitors, with 3D glasses making it a far deeper experience, than how it would run on a $200 Xbox 360, which costs $200 and not $899 simply because it had been released 5 years ago. And any game running fine on a Xbox360 today has no problem at all running the same way (same resolution, same speed) on a cheap current PC.
Anyway, game market has changed a lot in the last 5 years, with AAA titles being mainly released for consoles, while PC gaming changed skin to a more casual or internet-oriented gaming market.
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@haywirepc/Steven
At the expense of feeding a troll…and let’s face it….you are one….let’s talk about YOUR ISSUES.
I really don't understand why you have this personal vendetta against us. As though we have done something to you personally. I am trying to figure out the psychology of your endless and rather pointless trolling. Is it jealousy? Is it mother issues? What is it that compels you to behave in this fashion? To launch such vehement attacks against us so often? Because we have somehow bruised your sensibilities? Because we're not doing it your way? All I can think is, that you're just a little too sensitive or have crazy high expectations. All we're trying to do is get our business going, but I guess nothing will ever be good enough for you. We’ve made mistakes, sure. But something about the brands is making you act obsessively crazy in regard to us. This is pretty clear to any observer.
First of all, your the only known buyer of the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it that we know of, and you ended up
being the new "Chief technical officer" of this "company" which is a voicemail box at someone's house. That fact alone makes me laugh
everytime I hear anything from you.
I had enough enthusiasm to get a Phoenix as soon as it was available. If it hadn’t have arrived and I wasn’t happy with it would I still be talking about the company favourably? I contacted Commodore USA with advice regarding technology and strategy. That, my efforts behind the scenes, my rapport with Barry, and my enthusiasm for the company, and my qualifications, led to me being offered a position. You question my involvement as though it would be better if a troll was in charge of technology?
As for the phone, well, you gotta start somewhere. Were you expecting a call center already? Do Hyperion have a contact number? Do MorphOS team? I wonder.
Did you get swept up in the Commodore name and not realise we’re a start up? We never suggested we were anything else.
Second of all, they already announced several other products that they backpedaled on and never released. All those products were someone else's computer with a new fancy name and a commodore sticker slapped on them. All those products dissapeared from the website without any explanation.
It is totally within our rights to remove items from our website as you would from any store font. You make it seem like we've committed a crime or something. A website is like a regular shop, and like any vendor we reserve the right to remove products whenever we please. My goodness, I have never heard such whining over such nonsense before. Like we owe you an explanation for something we didn't even put for sale on the market. But here it is anyway for your edification. What happened is that we reassessed the products and the market for them and reacted accordingly by removing them from our site. They may come back when/if we want to sell them. Most normal people don't care at all. You sir, are not normal, to put it kindly.
Secondly, of course these products are manufactured by others, just as most consumer electronics are. We don’t hide that fact, and have the companies displayed prominently on our strategic partner page. We will have a degree of exclusivity in certain markets on some products and on others absolute exclusivity in most regions. Why must all hardware be built from scratch? That kind of mentality gets you into a never ending beta-testing cycle, which sounds strangely familiar. No thanks. This method suits us, even if it doesn’t suit you.
You made announcements claiming you had a 30 million dollar advertising budget and that ads would be on national televsion by the holidays.
Yeah, sorry your highness. We weren't able to get the C64x ready in time for Christmas as we hoped, so why on earth would we advertise. Oh well, I guess you'll have to wait. What a crime! I’ve never heard of a company missing a schedule in this Amiga sphere.
As for the advertising budget...that is projected over a number of years of course, and while the number may sound obscene it is actually par for the course.
Don't assume that anyone here wants to hear your bullshit.
Don't assume it's bullshit, but I guess you’re not one that will ever be convinced. I wrote a few lines on this forum bearing our licensed Amiga name. We have every right to post here, as I have personally for the last several years. I fail to understand why we cannot be treated with the same courtesy as any other project, or have things devolved on A.org to the point that this is now the standard treatment.
Also, we’re not trying to do the impossible you know. We're going to try to sell PCs, and from the requests and interest we have seen so far, we've got a good shot at doing well. From our point of view things are moving way too fast behind the scenes..lots and lots of things to sort out in terms of infrastructure..but you seem to think they're moving too slow. Oh well. Rome was not built in a day.
We’ve stated several times that Workbench is a Linux distro, so why must you assume it is going to be much more at this stage. We need to get to market quickly. We’ve hardly got a tonne of proprietary stuff we could put on top of it right out the gate. Let’s see what this evolves into. It’s merely a beginning. It’s your expectations that are a little high, and you’re attacking us based on those high expectations. Why can’t you see this for the fun thing it is? You’re such a killjoy.
Ship some products and stop talking and making announcements.
So everyone must do everything you say. A post or two a month and you're getting your knickers in a knot.
Making a noise is something all businesses must do. If you don't want to hear it then I suggest you just avoid it. We've only had the brands for 3 months. Did you expect a revolution already?
Your ceo threatened to sue osnews.com for stating facts
No, he did more than just state facts. Based on merely a poorly designed website he went on the verge of defamation. Sorry it can't all be perfect from day one, but that doesn't make us a scam. Everyone who has bought a product has had the goods shipped to my knowledge, including myself. The store is closed for the moment, so we aren't taking anyone's money until we have our new products ready. And if that takes time, then I don’t know why you should care, as you aren’t in the market for our products anyway.
Gee I don't remember seeing any commodore ads... Oh thats right your own ad agency said they didn't even start filming anything yet.
Our advertising agency is far too professional to give information over the phone about clients and were forewarned about fans. You have to be lying about talking to them. We’ve seen a tonne of concept videos and advertising pitches and we’re actually scurrying to get some TV spots (in a certain region) quite soon. We’re getting ourselves ready for an advertising push in late March. Sorry we can't work to your schedule, but it is actually *our* money we're spending. But I guess a little patience is too much to ask.
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Yes, a good way to promote your business is by personal attacks. Warranted or not time and time again you show nothing but deplorable actions. You do of course realise do you not that what you write online doesnt vanish once a thread is over and done with ? Just keep digging, youre doing most of us a great service.
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That is the thing I don't get about how vicious some people seem to be about CUSA. Nothing that CUSA is saying it will do is outside the bounds of what is possible. Certainly it is easier to do than what MorphOS, AmigaOS or MiniMig have done. If CUSA was promising custom hardware, or a new OS from scratch, I would be a lot more skeptical of them, but what they are promising is well within the reach of a start-up business. Heck, it is well withing the reach of a few good hobbyists.
The biggest and most important key factor though is whether they have asked for money. As long as they have not failed to deliver a product after collecting money, the worst they could be accused of is being big talkers. That puts them in the same league a as the RetroReplay, and the Natami. And I don't mean that as any kind of insult to Mike, or the Natami team.
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@Belial6
Sure, what they're hoping to sell is reasonable. The way they represent themselves isnt. A CTO gleefully announcing secrets contained within a private email on a public forum is, as I said earlier, not just bad business, but deplorable behavior (as bigbentheaussie did to clusteruk (a man who actually has done as much as he can for amiga systems). If you didnt see the thread on aw.net then you may not understand why some people really dislike C-USA, but it wasnt just that "simple" either. He then went on to carry on like a child, half incognito to further insult clusteruk and phoenixconsole. I'll try to rustle up the thread Im talking about, it really was dispicable.
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Have no fear fishy_fiz, Commodore Amiga Iran will be much more professional than the joke that is CUSA have been so far.
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@fishy_Fiz
A CTO gleefully announcing secrets contained within a private email on a public forum is, as I said earlier, not just bad business, but deplorable behavior
Just for the record it wasn't actually me. And no, I don't condone that behavior. We've talked about it and I am assured that such a thing will not occur again.
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Hehe.... the sad thing is that I know Commodore Amiga Iran is supposed to be a joke, and yet I'd be more likely to buy something from them than I would C-USA :)
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Provisional website should be live very soon my friend. :)
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@haywirepc/Steven
I really don't understand... Is it jealousy?..... Is it mother issues?... Because we have somehow bruised your sensibilities? Because we're not doing it your way? All I can think is, that you're just a little too sensitive or have crazy high expectations.
.. you act obsessively crazy in regard to us.
... You sir, are not normal, to put it kindly.
...Yeah, sorry your highness.
....Don't assume it's bullshit..... I wrote a few lines on this forum bearing our licensed Amiga name.
I assume you intend to back up these allegations, evidently your employer has funds available to support these assertions, and as a representative of the company, I expect you have Barry's full backing to post here as such.
Interesting times ahead.
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Looks like I'll continue to buy AMD processors (until they add that DRM crap too).
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Looks like I'll continue to buy AMD processors (until they add that DRM crap too).
There all going this way, everything embedded soon on single BGA package. Covered in gunk or extended over the pcb to prevent tampering, locked down with a bastion hypervisor, running a drm'ed processor/video and audio with eventually encrypted memory and tamperproof internal fuse-links.
They all want to be the next (Sky/Fox/NDS VideoGuard and milk the video cash cow.)
Where do you want to go today, that's 5 bucks, oh no the door bell rang, pause, thats 5 more bucks, oh you want to watch it upstairs thats 10 more bucks, oh you missed it, thats 5 more bucks, you want to watch it again, thats 5 more bucks, oh you like to keep a copy that's 40 bucks but we never actually send it you its on our server anytime you want until the end of calendar year. You can't resell what you never owned can you !. Oh just in case that's 40 bucks for a transfer licence.
What book was that called "Brave New World", not in our collection it must have been archived, have you taken your pill !
The free, must defend, those who are not.
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There all going this way, everything embedded soon on single BGA package. Covered in gunk or extended over the pcb to prevent tampering, locked down with a bastion hypervisor, running a drm'ed processor/video and audio with eventually encrypted memory and tamperproof internal fuse-links.
They all want to be the next (Sky/Fox/NDS VideoGuard and milk the video cash cow.)
Where do you want to go today, that's 5 bucks, oh no the door bell rang, pause, thats 5 more bucks, oh you want to watch it upstairs thats 10 more bucks, oh you missed it, thats 5 more bucks, you want to watch it again, thats 5 more bucks, oh you like to keep a copy that's 40 bucks but we never actually send it you its on our server anytime you want until the end of calendar year. You can't resell what you never owned can you !. Oh just in case that's 40 bucks for a transfer licence.
What book was that called "Brave New World", not in our collection it must have been archived, have you taken your pill !
The free, must defend, those who are not.
Interesting little rant you have there. I have dishnetwork and for ony 5bucks I have dvr service. Pause, rewind, record, watch anywhere anytime, only 5 bucks a month. Not 5 bucks each time 5 dollars once a month.
Do any of you remember when the Pentium III came out with internal serial numbers, and we made Intel remove them. We consumers, normal people, made the mighty Intel bow to our wishes. All we have to do is speak up. Paranoia will get us nowhere. Responsible dialogue will get us what we want.
These companies have a right to protect their money flow. And they realize that we have rights too. We can get DVDs with free digital copy. Watch it on your laptop, or Ipod, or whatever, they don't care as long as you follow the rules and don't rip them off. You want a particular game or movie or whatever, buy it.
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Aros, MorphOS, Minimig, and OS4 are direct decendants of Amiga and are currently being developed. When we say "Amiga" is alive it is the same as saying that Windows is still alive. Is Windows 3.0 still alive, no but it's decendent is. Same with MacOs etc.
The Commodore Amiga is dead but it's clones are still very much alive, and being developed.
Aros could very easily use this technology.
And yes you did want to start an argument.
Didn't say I didn't want to start an argument! A good debate might be a better way of putting it, but, this is all way off topic....
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Do any of you remember when the Pentium III came out with internal serial numbers, and we made Intel remove them. We consumers, normal people, made the mighty Intel bow to our wishes. All we have to do is speak up.
They only removed it because it was pointless. Network cards and hard drives already had internal serial numbers & while it would have been useful to have a serial number on the CPU as well, it really wasn't worth their while trying to explain it to all the idiots who were outraged.
I'm planning on getting a trackable laptop next, in case it gets stolen. As I can already be tracked by my mobile phone, card payments etc I can't see why I'd not take advantage of it.
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Interesting little rant you have there. I have dishnetwork and for ony 5bucks I have dvr service. Pause, rewind, record, watch anywhere anytime, only 5 bucks a month. Not 5 bucks each time 5 dollars once a month.
These companies have a right to protect their money flow. And they realize that we have rights too. We can get DVDs with free digital copy. Watch it on your laptop, or Ipod, or whatever, they don't care as long as you follow the rules and don't rip them off. You want a particular game or movie or whatever, buy it.
Mr Kthunder of the good ole USA, thank your star spangled banner that you don't live in near a Murdochnopoly, I pay 150 dollars a month to watch some football and a few movies in HD with the ability to pause/record and rewind. Thank you very much for your DMCA 2000 that doesn't appear to affect your digital economy very much, but by god it affected everyone elses and mr murdoch wants even more....once a thieving bastard always a thieving bastard ! and we don't have much of a choice to stay legal!
Sky Sports 15 quid approx
Sky Movies 15 quid approx
Sky HD Basic pack 10 quid
Sky Basic Package 20 quid approx
Sky HD Options pack 2 quid
Sky Multi-Room (That's for an extra receiver) 10 quid
Sky HD Basic pack for the 2nd box 10 quid
And its so locked down NDS VideoGuard has never been cracked.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
PS Yes I can afford it at the moment, but don't lecture us about the rights of the "company". (Oh yes Murdoch is now a naturalised american !)
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Mr Kthunder of the good ole USA, thank your star spangled banner that you don't live in near a Murdochnopoly, I pay 150 dollars a month to watch some football and a few movies in HD with the ability to pause/record and rewind. Thank you very much for your DMCA 2000 that doesn't appear to affect your digital economy very much, but by god it affected everyone elses and mr murdoch wants even more....once a thieving bastard always a thieving bastard ! and we don't have much of a choice to stay legal!
Sky Sports 15 quid approx
Sky Movies 15 quid approx
Sky HD Basic pack 10 quid
Sky Basic Package 20 quid approx
Sky HD Options pack 2 quid
Sky Multi-Room (That's for an extra receiver) 10 quid
Sky HD Basic pack for the 2nd box 10 quid
And its so locked down NDS VideoGuard has never been cracked.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
PS Yes I can afford it at the moment, but don't lecture us about the rights of the "company". (Oh yes Murdoch is now a naturalised american !)
ok Mr. Boudicca it's in my pipe and I'm smoking it, but it seems really really...normal.
150 a month thats normal I pay 95 a month but I don't have movies or sports. I can (and you presumably) get a basic package for 29 to 39 but I want the extras.
You seriously call this thievery?!?
Who the heck was lecturing? not me! Tell me what rights you think the companies that produce and distribute the entertaintainment we "can't" live without have. Do they have a right to make a profit? Each of the channels we watch costs money, it costs money to put satellites up to carry the data, etc. etc.
What I call thievery is the 95% of people who produce no art, no film, no anything constantly trying to find ways of getting this stuff (which is not necessary for life) for free.
there is your lecture Mr. Boudicca put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
...or whatever
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I think its always best to try and fight these copy protection schemes.
Does anyone remember back in the day when you'd buy a game and you had to always enter a word from the instruction manual just to play the game? That annoyed the shit out of me, I'd get cracked copies of the games I bought just for spite because if I pay money for something I shouldn't be annoyed when wanting to use it. But I stress I rarely just got cracked games. If I liked a game, I paid for it for the most part.
Same goes for digital copy protection. They can annoy me if they want but if I buy a movie, then I should be able to make backup copies, have it on my server in digital form, whatever, I paid for it, its MY copy.
BTW
Aw, what happened, back on topic? Can't we get back to trashing bigbenaussie, and his company's imagined 30 million dollar advertising budget?
Boy he really respresented himself and his "company" well in this thread. As for the other allegations of his stupidiy in posts on another forum... Yeah right that wasn't him. Some hacker hacked into his amigaworld account, then hacked into his private email accounts and then pasted private emails from his private email accounts on to a public forum.
Wow what a fantastic "Chief technical officer". He's so tremendously tech savy that his own personal email accounts aren't secure. Wow that says alot about his technical skills. Lets not forget that one...
One more FAIL for CUSA.
Steven
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I too subscibe to Sky and pay them a small fortune each month for my TV (£83 minimum per month) ok nobody's forcing me to, but what pisses me off with these companies like sky is I pay all that money and still get bombarded with ads...
It may cost them money to put the satellites up etc... but the obscene profits companies like Sky make from adverts alone doesn't justify the prices they charge folk just to watch TV... ::(
What's worse still is the fact that Sky now treat us like American viewers... ie: they think we only have an attention span that lasts for the opening credits of a show before going to an ad break that's twice as long as the progs opening titles... :(
(ever watched Monday Night RAW live, 2 hours long and at least 45 minutes of it is ad breaks...)
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It's rubbishy DRM-infested crap, the hardware equivalent of Windoze Vista. I'll be giving Intel CPUs a miss from this point onwards.
Presumably you haven't bought a PC any time since the launch of the original Athlon64 then, since all modern cpus have drm available as an option, same too for many graphics cards post 2005....
Whilst the cries of *no drm ever* is a laudable one, it is simply untenable in today's world. Even Android has a certain amount of protection for some things, such as gps for instance, which is locked up tighter than a drum.
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ok Mr. Boudicca
Ouch! Quick check...nope nowt there....phew.
it's in my pipe and I'm smoking it
I bet they all say that...down your way ;)
but it seems really really...normal.
Fair do's if thats the case.
You seriously call this thievery?!?
Deffo. Murdovision is theft. (Definition: Thievery - Pronounced (We remember Wapping), A method to obtain money by blatant reruns/cheap tv production and charge ridiculous sums of money for sporting and other live content which was originally on national television to allo for the purchasing of the Fox Network to extort monies from American citizens, and feed the UK with even more crap. (Quote OED, Oxbridge University Press)
Who the heck was lecturing? not me!
Oh ok, then don't tell the French, that we also Surrender monkeys.
Tell me what rights you think the companies that produce and distribute the entertaintainment we "can't" live without have.
You got me there, I have decided to pay the other form of entertainment, that's it enoughs enough...I've gone fishing.
Do they have a right to make a profit? Each of the channels we watch costs money, it costs money to put satellites up to carry the data, etc. etc.
Your absolutely right. Where's my coat.
What I call thievery is the 95% of people who produce no art, no film, no anything constantly trying to find ways of getting this stuff (which is not necessary for life) for free.
Contradiction there, but if we can't live we out it, its can't be not necessary for life.
I think the truth is, we take for granted many things in life, TV is a luxury in anyone's book but I find it difficult to understand in a open and fair society that a content provider Sky tv also are a content distributor and reseller. 90% of all channels viewed in the UK are the almost the property of one R.Murdoch and no matter what pricing is charge, I resent the man, I resent what he stands for. It isn't business its greed and more greedy these little b*ggers get, the more I feel we need to remind them who actually pays for their lifestyle.
If that means finding ways around that greed. I won't argue its wrong....any especially not wrong when it comes to murdovision.
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ok Mrs.? Boudicca
I read, and reread your post and you don't seem to really be saying anything, until the end so other than the Mrs. thing i'll only address that.
this bit:
"Contradiction there, but if we can't live we out it, its can't be not necessary for life."
doesn't seem to be proper english so I don't know what to do with it.
and the rest just seems to be an attack on "murdoch" who I don't know and since I dont have or know sky either all I can say is that you seem to have a comparable package for a comparable price.
If you actually get into it you realize how much syndication costs, production costs etc. all are. This stuff costs huge amounts of money. Thats why we pay what we do. if we want to go back to standard def tv. and cardboard sets we could pay a bit less but I like stuff realistic, I like high def. and I like good acting and writing.
It all costs money. thats were we come in.
sitting around a campfire telling stories is free
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@ KThuder
Mr Murdoch who currently owns around 39% of SKY and is at this very moment trying to buy out SKY completely, is not a very popular chap in this county mainly thanks to his vast ownership of much of the newspapers & other media here... :)
He also like to do things as cheaply as possible in any of the pies he has his grubby little fingers in which generally leads to the dumbing down of it's content...:(
If Murdoch has his way TV here will only get worse as he'll simply flood us with more cheap made American trash and even more adverts (it's almost as bad as American TV here now...)
I wish Mr Murdoch would do as his arch rival did (Robert Maxwell) and fall of his luxury yacht and swim like a brick... :)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/city-news/2010/07/30/sky-tv-reveals-record-profits-115875-22451060/
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a252503/sky-profits-soar-amid-hd-demand.html
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@ KThuder
Mr Murdoch who currently owns around 39% of SKY and is at this very moment trying to buy out SKY completely, is not a very popular chap in this county mainly thanks to his vast ownership of much of the newspapers & other media here... :)
He also like to do things as cheaply as possible in any of the pies he has his grubby little fingers in which generally leads to the dumbing down of it's content...:(
If Murdoch has his way TV here will only get worse as he'll simply flood us with more cheap made American trash and even more adverts (it's almost as bad as American TV here now...)
I wish Mr Murdoch would do as his arch rival did (Robert Maxwell) and fall of his luxury yacht and swim like a brick... :)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/city-news/2010/07/30/sky-tv-reveals-record-profits-115875-22451060/
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a252503/sky-profits-soar-amid-hd-demand.html
Hear...Hear!
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ok Mrs.? Boudicca
Better ;)
Queen of the Iceni
I read, and reread your post and you don't seem to really be saying anything, until the end so other than the Mrs. thing i'll only address that.
I thought I was being witty, but I can't please everyone ;)
doesn't seem to be proper english so I don't know what to do with it.
Low....English is spelt with a capital E.
If you actually get into it you realize how much syndication costs, production costs etc. all are.
and I like good acting and writing
It all costs money. thats were we come in.
Yes but our money just seems to be crossing the Atlantic to fund your T.V, Sky syndicate/produce absolutely nothing of their own and what passes for new content, generally follows some wannabe reality T.V tart getting a boob job for two hours, or worse the 100th showing of best of police chases 6....Our TV is your TV. and we are paying for it.
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ha, yeah I won't make any defense for "reality" tv.
my favorite shows are sitcoms like big bang theory, and sci fi stuff ive head some of that does really well overseas. big bang theory especially.
I like to think of it all as "our tv" we have tons of shows with people from many different countries not just in acting roles but in support and staff as well.
Actors from the UK, Canada, Australia, and India, have been very succesful in particular. And many of "our shows" do as well if not better in other countries, like scrubs and a few others.
as for English or english, you'll find I am very inconsistant. I never used to use any capitalization or punctuation and quite obviously, I don't use spell check.
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If there are ads, I'm not paying a dime, and neither should you.
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@ KThuder
...If Murdoch has his way TV here will only get worse as he'll simply flood us with more cheap made American trash and even more adverts (it's almost as bad as American TV here now...)
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We seem to be doing something right, US made movies make hundreds of millions to billions a year out side the US. and dozens of US tv shows are redubbed in other languages to show in other countries. Most of our shows are anything but "cheap" we have some of the highest production values in the world, something that shows in the international intrest in our media.
Actors from around the world come here to find work. And many do very well.
Other countries are doing some fantastic work as well and many production houses even here in the States are multinational.
As for some of your other comments such as attention span etc. I'll mark down to meds? Not to be offensive of course, but at the same time I'll try to assume you weren't trying to be offensive either.
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Come on... lets not get distracted from the biggest news out of Intel since the MMX instruction set!
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We seem to be doing something right, US made movies make hundreds of millions to billions a year out side the US. and dozens of US tv shows are redubbed in other languages to show in other countries. Most of our shows are anything but "cheap" we have some of the highest production values in the world, something that shows in the international intrest in our media.
Actors from around the world come here to find work. And many do very well.
Other countries are doing some fantastic work as well and many production houses even here in the States are multinational.
As for some of your other comments such as attention span etc. I'll mark down to meds? Not to be offensive of course, but at the same time I'll try to assume you weren't trying to be offensive either.
No wasn't trying to be offensive... :)
Some of the best shows have come out of America, Star Trek & Lost to name but two...
The problem show are ones like Americas Next Top Model and those type which fill just about every channel here on SKY, not exactly quality programming if your honest about it... :)
So no offence intended, it's just that the quality of TV in the UK has been going downhill for years now and unfortunately most of these shows happen to be made in America... :) (that's not to say we don't make crap here in the UK too, cos we sure do...)
The attention span thing comes not from me but various scientific journals and studies that show over 65% of folks in the US (especially the younger generations) lose interest in a show if it runs without a break for more than 8 minutes. But the same can be said about the UK today as well, hence the TV companies getting away with longer and more ad breaks and fewer people complaining about it... :)
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I like the new Dr. Who on BBCA thats pretty good.
I hope the stupid reality and talent crap is just a fad that will go away soon, but I doubt it.
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Come on... lets not get distracted from the biggest news out of Intel since the MMX instruction set!
Dude, I think we were well off topic about 20 posts ago :)
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I would never let that get in the way of an opportunity for tongue-in-cheek buffoonery.
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I like the new Dr. Who on BBCA thats pretty good.
I hope the stupid reality and talent crap is just a fad that will go away soon, but I doubt it.
Unfortunately, it'll be here past the robot apocalypse, when our titanium raygun overlords will vapourize it all.
The problem is that reality and talent shows are absurdly cheap to make, so its basically free money for the networks.
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Unfortunately, it'll be here past the robot apocalypse, when our titanium raygun overlords will vapourize it all.
The problem is that reality and talent shows are absurdly cheap to make, so its basically free money for the networks.
Yup, that said, there seems to be a slow death for purely reality based shows; Consider that Big Brother here in the UK was cancelled last year. I suspect however talent shows will continue on for a long time in one guise or another, it's just that currently they're fashionable.
Once they get old, then just as with BB they'll get canned for something else that's cheap to produce until the pendulum swings back.