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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Franko on December 31, 2010, 10:44:28 AM
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Runequesters recent threads about Amiga games and upgrading his miggie (nice to see someone with such an interest in his old Amiga and spending his hard earned cash on upgrading it...:)) has motivated me to play some of my old Amiga games recently, so while I was playing some of them I though I would record them for others to see who may have forgotten about these games or haven't even seen them before... :)
Alien Breed 3D
[youtube]ZUajbh95a9c[/youtube]
Breathless
[youtube]ZM-oGgl68fg[/youtube]
Death Mask
[youtube]lyr87N9G1wg[/youtube]
Fears
[youtube]JeogAuC73II[/youtube]
Gloom Deluxe
[youtube]Xzl8nLSB_2Y[/youtube]
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Nice, got them all.
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Two player on Death Mask was fun!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwduSZOKNGo
Trapped 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnTuy1rYUtM
Genetic species
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JtYff1b5xI&feature=related
Nemac IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGz7D20bxFU
Shadow of third moon
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Did you ever try the two Testament games, Franko? Any good in your opinion mate?
[YOUTUBE]3ba3HNG5KPQ&NR=1[/YOUTUBE]
[YOUTUBE]VpagvEPllKM[/YOUTUBE]
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@Franko
Great videos, thanks! What spec are you running on?
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moto
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Thanks for posting these. I'm getting jazzed up to get an 030 A1200 again. I just ordered one of the new ACA 1230/28 Accelerators from Amikit. I dont know if any of these will be playable with that though?. Maybe in a smaller window.
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Thanks for posting these. I'm getting jazzed up to get an 030 A1200 again. I just ordered one of the new ACA 1230/28 Accelerators from Amikit. I dont know if any of these will be playable with that though?. Maybe in a smaller window.
My old 030/25 played AB3D very well. Fears and Gloom will run but you have to reduce the screen size slightly.
Breathless you'd have to REALLY lower it.
Although maybe the SD RAM will give a performance boost over the old style cards.
You'll be able to play some of them for sure though.
One I keep meaning to check out is Citadel.
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Must resist looking on eBay for a 1260 card :nervous:
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moto
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@ utri007
I'd forgot about some of those games myself... cheers... :)
@ A4000_Mad
With over 5000 games in my collection, I've been ploughing through them trying to remember what those games were called, I could remember what they looked like but not the names... cheers... :)
@ motorolin & spihunter
These were all done on the A1200 with a Blizzard060 @ 60mhz, they do run on my old GVP030 but at lower detail and visible window sizes... :)
(@ moto... stay away from ebay unless you got very deep pockets or are planning a bank robbery...:lol:)
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I owned several of these games and I loved them, especially Genetic Species. Could only get to level two though. Dang Dr. FREEZE wanna-bes would kill me in seconds with the grenade launchers...
The reason they killed me so fast was also the reason I stoped playing FPS on my Amiga1200. Some brainiac thought they could save $$$ if they built it so it only reconizes one key press at a time!
In FPS it is essential to be able to side-step while walking backwards and such. Without these abilities, the game seems really clunky in comparison...
Can't wait to build up my A4000T and play these games... YES! I still own them:)
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I remember that Genetic Species played pretty well on my old 28mhz/030 DKB board back in the day. I'll be curious to see how the faster memory helps things.
I mostly use Amiga for Octamed and sound stuff so a 28mhz/030 is plenty for me.
The 64mb of ram is a nice bonus.
My old 030/25 played AB3D very well. Fears and Gloom will run but you have to reduce the screen size slightly.
Breathless you'd have to REALLY lower it.
Although maybe the SD RAM will give a performance boost over the old style cards.
You'll be able to play some of them for sure though.
One I keep meaning to check out is Citadel.
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Awesome, love it. I'm gonna have to pull out my CD32 and throw AB-3D in now. I haven't played the others you have, but they look sweet. Another one of my favorites is Genetic Species, loved it! One game I have been looking for that I used to own was Trapped 2, it was one of my favorites and if anyone has another copy (original please no "copies") I would be very happy to buy it from you. Happy New Years all!
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I owned several of these games and I loved them, especially Genetic Species. Could only get to level two though. Dang Dr. FREEZE wanna-bes would kill me in seconds with the grenade launchers...
The reason they killed me so fast was also the reason I stoped playing FPS on my Amiga1200. Some brainiac thought they could save $$$ if they built it so it only reconizes one key press at a time!
In FPS it is essential to be able to side-step while walking backwards and such. Without these abilities, the game seems really clunky in comparison...
Can't wait to build up my A4000T and play these games... YES! I still own them:)
I dont know if this is just me not understanding, but at least in Doomattack, Im perfectly able to strafe backwards (moving diagonally backwards in effect).
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Awesome, love it. I'm gonna have to pull out my CD32 and throw AB-3D in now. I haven't played the others you have, but they look sweet. Another one of my favorites is Genetic Species, loved it! One game I have been looking for that I used to own was Trapped 2, it was one of my favorites and if anyone has another copy (original please no "copies") I would be very happy to buy it from you. Happy New Years all!
The next time someone kwetches about Doom being awesome, I'll show them the intro to GS :)
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The next time someone kwetches about Doom being awesome, I'll show them the intro to GS :)
Doom is awesome ;)
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Well played sir :)
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I dont know if this is just me not understanding, but at least in Doomattack, Im perfectly able to strafe backwards (moving diagonally backwards in effect).
Are you playing on an A1200 or a different Amiga? I could be wrong, but I remember that being a problem across the board and talking to others about it to make sure I didn't have a faulty system.
Anywho, GREAT GAMES! totaly under rated by too many people and should be put back into print:quickdraw:
AND! doomisawesome...
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Nice to see them all in one place, I used to play these on my A1200 030-40Mhz. Most of them ran pretty well. Breathless and AB3D were my fav's. Though GS showed what could be done.
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Are you playing on an A1200 or a different Amiga? I could be wrong, but I remember that being a problem across the board and talking to others about it to make sure I didn't have a faulty system.
Anywho, GREAT GAMES! totaly under rated by too many people and should be put back into print:quickdraw:
AND! doomisawesome...
plain 1200. I think the arrow keys are excepted,since it does seem you sometimes have to let go of the strafe button to shoot.
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I would love to see these videos running on stock 14mhz A1200s with fast RAM.
Shame UAE doesn't give exact CPU speed control in Mhz like the best ST emulator, could mess about with emulated Blizzard 1220/4 board (the cheapest accelerator @ 28mhz 020 for around £150) to see if people could have got by with such a board instead of £500 040 and £700 060 boards.
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hm, not sure about fast ram added. AB3D at least is pretty playable on a stock 1200, as is Fears if you reduce the screen size some.
I imagine a bit of fast ram would probably help nicely
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Cytadela was only one fps that is playable with stock a500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpJ6YvwcIM
I've allso problem with keyboard adabter, I can use only one key at time
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Are you playing on an A1200 or a different Amiga? I could be wrong, but I remember that being a problem across the board and talking to others about it to make sure I didn't have a faulty system.
Anywho, GREAT GAMES! totaly under rated by too many people and should be put back into print:quickdraw:
AND! doomisawesome...
I had also this problem when upgrading my A1200 to an Infinity tower from Micronik - they had the glory idea to be able to use the original keyboard via an keyboard adapter. This was an real step backwards in gaming when using the keyboard so I bought the Keyrah adapter from Jens Schönfeld which worked perfectly then but I used then an IBM keyboard :)
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hm, not sure about fast ram added. AB3D at least is pretty playable on a stock 1200, as is Fears if you reduce the screen size some.
I imagine a bit of fast ram would probably help nicely
Without additional Fast RAM, only the first few levels of AB3D are comfortably playable. I did complete the game on a chip ram only machine but everything after level 4 ended up being played more than once and relying on memory more than fluid game play.
With additional fast ram, however, the game performs a lot better and with even a modest accelerator card, it's smooth.
Pity the same can't be said about it's sequel, though I think it was rather rushed through. I'm sure if he were given more time, the erstwhile Mr Clitheroe would have been able to optimise his engine a bit.
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Without additional Fast RAM, only the first few levels of AB3D are comfortably playable. I did complete the game on a chip ram only machine but everything after level 4 ended up being played more than once and relying on memory more than fluid game play.
With additional fast ram, however, the game performs a lot better and with even a modest accelerator card, it's smooth.
Pity the same can't be said about it's sequel, though I think it was rather rushed through. I'm sure if he were given more time, the erstwhile Mr Clitheroe would have been able to optimise his engine a bit.
Yeah, I imagine some of the more complex levels would grind down quite a bit. Even on my old 030/25 with 8 megs of RAM, it ran very good though.
Agree on Killing Grounds. I really think it could have been a gem in the amiga library if the thing had actually run on any realistic amigas at the time.
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Thought I'd just throw in one of my all time favourites here just to show how good the Frodo C64 emulator can be on an A1200... :)
Forbidden Forest for the C64 was the first game to feature huge characters and night and day features not to mention of course the brilliant music... :)
[youtube]sP84zBw9IsQ[/youtube]
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Cytadela was only one fps that is playable with stock a500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWpJ6YvwcIM
I've allso problem with keyboard adabter, I can use only one key at time
Citadel seems pretty cool, but none of the versions I've been able to find will actually let me install it to hard drive.
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There's an english and polish version in BTTR, have you tried them? Must check what I have - should have it installed. Btw, a Windows version is out too, afaik.
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Alien Breed 3D
[youtube]ZUajbh95a9c[/youtube]
Breathless
[youtube]ZM-oGgl68fg[/youtube]
No offence, but seriously, learn to use sidestep :lol:
All non-console 3D FPS games (or at least all those that give you freedom of movement), without exception, should be played with keyboard and mouse. Keyboard for actual movement and mouse for turn/aim*.
Use the keyboard to sidestep and the mouse to turn so that you can circle round your enemy, shooting him constantly whilst avoiding his return fire at the same time.
Expect it to become law if I ever get into government.
*although using the mouse to move as well is permissible, as per the DooM canon.
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@ Karlos
Sidesteps for sissies... prefer to stand and fight... also I'm just too lazy to stretch another finger to reach the sidestep key... :lol:
Just dug out this old one and been mucking around with it, Robinsons Requiem. Now I remember why I stopped playing it, naff controls keyboard & mouse when you use the joystick to play and wander near the edge of a hill you get stuck and have to use the mouse to get free... :)
Robinsons Requiem... :)
[youtube]mDU1Fp5SUnI[/youtube]
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@franko: this was sorta cool game that many never heard of. remember playing it, never finished though.
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@franko: this was sorta cool game that many never heard of. remember playing it, never finished though.
The gfx engine it used had the potential for something really good, but I think it was let down by the awful programming for the in game movement... :(
I never finished it either, got fed up getting stuck against the side of hills or cave walls... :(
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yeah, but it had an atmosphere, and was quite surprising in how it turned out, after you initially was completely unsure what its gonna be. i remember it clumsy, but not unplayable, i dunno even what accel i did have at a time, b1230 i think. also it had some flaws or bugs, sure was easy to get stuck. later ive seen a pc version which was more detailed, still was cool to play on amiga.
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DeathMask looks the worst out of them. Its obviosuly more like a 3d maze as in each movement moves a whold chunk of maze so no where near real 3d
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@ Karlos
Sidesteps for sissies... prefer to stand and fight... also I'm just too lazy to stretch another finger to reach the sidestep key... :lol:
It's a good job you stick to your old machines then as you'd be lucky to last 2 seconds in any modern FPS game, be it against other people or just against enemy AI if that's how you play: Spawn. Bang. Hit once, non critical. Turn only using keyboard while looking for your attacker, but they've already taken cover. Boom. Hit again, this time in the head. Respawn...
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this is why these multiplayers, especially fps are so pointless. campers, people sticking explosives to you while youre waiting to come back, all these dumb tricks that make it nothing more than running around firing blindly in all directions. once a friend of me has convinced me to open account to guild wars, it was fun for an hour, boring repetitive burden for following few weeks, and is now completely forgotten of. these games have no nothing.
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I have tried a playing some games on my nephews XBOX and PS3 (don't ask me which cos they all look the same to me...) and ran about quite successfully like a nutter blasting everything in sight for at least 30 seconds before being killed by gawd knows what (as I never seen what killed me) and once I got run over by a truck... :)
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this is why these multiplayers, especially fps are so pointless. campers, people sticking explosives to you while youre waiting to come back, all these dumb tricks that make it nothing more than running around firing blindly in all directions. once a friend of me has convinced me to open account to guild wars, it was fun for an hour, boring repetitive burden for following few weeks, and is now completely forgotten of. these games have no nothing.
Blizzard and their two billion dollars a year of profit disagree with you. Or if you like, you can take your argument up with the hundreds of thousands of people who play TF2, Left 4 Dead (and L4D2), and on and on and on...
IOW,
Problem?
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Thought I'd just throw in one of my all time favourites here just to show how good the Frodo C64 emulator can be on an A1200... :)
Forbidden Forest for the C64 was the first game to feature huge characters and night and day features not to mention of course the brilliant music... :)
[youtube]sP84zBw9IsQ[/youtube]
All of Paul Norman's games for the C64 that he did through Cosmi were brilliant, even if only for the music.
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Blizzard and their two billion dollars a year of profit disagree with you. Or if you like, you can take your argument up with the hundreds of thousands of people who play TF2, Left 4 Dead (and L4D2), and on and on and on...
IOW,
Problem?
Gotta agree with wawrzon on this one... :)
But at the same time each to their own I say, cept the folk who play all these games you speak of are usually quite simple or just brain dead (or both)... :lol:
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Blizzard and their two billion dollars a year of profit disagree with you. Or if you like, you can take your argument up with the hundreds of thousands of people who play TF2, Left 4 Dead (and L4D2), and on and on and on...
IOW,
Problem?
well, as far as MMOs goes, pretty much the entire point of the game is to be repetitive.
It's a good job you stick to your old machines then as you'd be lucky to last 2 seconds in any modern FPS game, be it against other people or just against enemy AI if that's how you play: Spawn. Bang. Hit once, non critical. Turn only using keyboard while looking for your attacker, but they've already taken cover. Boom. Hit again, this time in the head. Respawn...
Do you think I will need more than 2 megs of RAM to run Quake 4 on my amiga? :)
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Do you think I will need more than 2 megs of RAM to run Quake 4 on my amiga? :)
Quake4? I was thinking more along the lines of this for a bit of FPS fun:
[youtube]lOyD7SoY7LU[/youtube]
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Gotta agree with wawrzon on this one... :)
But at the same time each to their own I say, cept the folk who play all these games you speak of are usually quite simple or just brain dead (or both)... :lol:
Hey it's all good, I feel the same way about fans of Amiga platformers, so.
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Hey it's all good, I feel the same way about fans of Amiga platformers, so.
I have to agree compared to console platformeres. Platform games on the amiga pretty much universally sucked witha few exceptions.
I love all types of games, but FPS gamesare good if its what you like. Been playing COD since the first game on PC. Benn playing black ops online sooooooooo much.
But there again also been loving fable 3 and the new assassins creed.
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Blizzard and their two billion dollars a year of profit disagree with you. Or if you like, you can take your argument up with the hundreds of thousands of people who play TF2, Left 4 Dead (and L4D2), and on and on and on...
IOW,
Problem?
i dont need to take argument mit dumbnuts, even if they outnumber others by magnitudes. there is no much difference consuming alcohol, drugs or online fps, these things are not interesting by themselves.. they are there to run away from the reality.
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The whole point of games in general is to take you away from reality. So whats your point ?
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my only point is that there is opium for the masses and this is the like of online fps, where the only thing you get is offloading your most atavistic aggressions in a kind of dumb trance. and there is more interesting stuff, which by definition needs to be single player, because otherwise you cant tell any story. online games have to be dumb and repetitive, and this how many people are playing them or not doesnt make them any better in my eyes.
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I think your not seeing the whold picture winth inlie FPS or online games as a whole.
Yes its harder or impossible or to have a narative or proper storyline.
Howver given the very nature of online fps etc being generally team based you find naturally emerging scenarios and situations that get remebered for months/years to come and people talk about in work/pub etc.
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thats right. ive witnessed such things. though i think if you seek company real life might suit you better. this is exactly the breaking point where it might become unhealthy. dragging you away, into the fantasy.. y know all that stuff. ok, im not going to evangelise.
therefore i prefer games that have a beginning and an end. like good book. not like a soap opera.
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Well, there's something to it. I know plenty of people that have lives that pretty much revolve around world of warcraft, to the extent where it interferes with their families, jobs etc.
But they'd probably be wasting their lives doing something else instead, if they didn't have WOW so eh.
This discussion has drifted pretty heavily off topic though :)
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I think by now most of you will know my opinions on most aspects of modern day gameing and computing but that's all it is, an opinion, nothing more nothing less... :)
If folk get enjoyment from these then good luck lo them even though I may not understand why, that doesn't matter one wee bit if you enjoy something then carry on doing what you enjoy... :)
Suppose I'm at the age now where I can see why my parents couldn't understand me and my mates sitting in the bedroom cursing and screaming like banshees as we played our old VIC 20 or C64 games with mum and dad banging on the ceiling telling us to keep the noise down and cut out the swearing... :)
I just have to look at my young nephew, uni education, working his way up through the ranks of the civil service and the minute he gets home it's off to his room to play with all his consoles & PCs with these FPP games, and I still call him brain dead, even though he's far from it... :)
Reckon life just goes round in cycles from one generation to the next, in computer terms the game styles and hardware may change but the underlying themes behind it all remains the same, fun, enjoyment & escapism from the grind of everyday life... :)
(think they must put something in me Horlicks that affects the brain turning you into a grumpy old man... :))
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everything goes in circles :)
Playing games at least is better than social sniping on facebook.
A while ago, we went to a friends birthday party... and the first 2 hours was a big pile of early 20somethings discussing ... what happened on facebook.
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A while ago, we went to a friends birthday party... and the first 2 hours was a big pile of early 20somethings discussing ... what happened on facebook.
You are made of stronger stuff than me. I would have been looking for vallium, razor blades or rope after just 30 mins...
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You are made of stronger stuff than me. I would have been looking for vallium, razor blades or rope after just 30 mins...
The solution has traditionally been drinking heavily and dominating the CD player
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i recall one of final parties of my gymnasium class. happened that the guy has set up an 800xl, and half the people spent the time drinking in front of it and waiting for montezumas revenge to load. remember, it was like half an hour a tape and the setup was so shaky, it was constantly breaking down. few of my mates were freshly converted baptists, and one of them - particularly militant - told us, we were as if sitting and looking at a bare plank. there was nothing. it was a cool party even though.
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A real shame that Trapped3 never got released.
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my only point is that there is opium for the masses and this is the like of online fps, where the only thing you get is offloading your most atavistic aggressions in a kind of dumb trance. and there is more interesting stuff, which by definition needs to be single player, because otherwise you cant tell any story. online games have to be dumb and repetitive, and this how many people are playing them or not doesnt make them any better in my eyes.
Wrong.
Some gaming experiences are simply impossible without FPS (and thanks to Windows being so shit and PCs needing incredibly powerful CPUs just to run that rubbish acceptably).
Let me see...I can play Cannon Fodder on a 16bit machine...or...I can play Battlefield 2 for free with 63 other people in a photo-realistic sandbox environment. The only dumb asses are the ones who will tell me there is
a. a difference in the act of playing the game
b. playing cannon fodder is the more immersive of those gaming experiences.
Sometimes technology finds a useful application, in this case it is bloatware OS needing ludicrously powerful CPU just to double click some desktop icons has led to super powerful game engines and liberated some, not all, game genres.
If you don't like it don't play, don't call people who roll with technology and enjoy the fruits of AMD/Intel's hard work in their current gaming dumb asses or other derogatory terms.
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All of Paul Norman's games for the C64 that he did through Cosmi were brilliant, even if only for the music.
Forbidden Forest 2 has some awesome 3 layer parallax your character can interact with, quite impressive.
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Wrong.
Some gaming experiences are simply impossible without FPS (and thanks to Windows being so shit and PCs needing incredibly powerful CPUs just to run that rubbish acceptably).
Let me see...I can play Cannon Fodder on a 16bit machine...or...I can play Battlefield 2 for free with 63 other people in a photo-realistic sandbox environment. The only dumb asses are the ones who will tell me there is
a. a difference in the act of playing the game
b. playing cannon fodder is the more immersive of those gaming experiences.
Sometimes technology finds a useful application, in this case it is bloatware OS needing ludicrously powerful CPU just to double click some desktop icons has led to super powerful game engines and liberated some, not all, game genres.
If you don't like it don't play, don't call people who roll with technology and enjoy the fruits of AMD/Intel's hard work in their current gaming dumb asses or other derogatory terms.
i must admit ive never played cannon fodder as well.
i think what is going wrong is that gaming tries to get to realistic. already in my speccy times i considered that the games just have to stay what they are supposed to be, just games. it might sound weird. heh or overly conservative, ok. i could bother a little with battlefield as long it was out in ww2 scenery (i ve got through the single player), it was making it a little more remote, more like fantasy. but this present setting just puts me off. it literally stinks of advocating modern warfare and trying to attract the people to it as if this was fun. sorry i cant cope with it. not only because i dont support this, but it also bores me. the same applies to titles like crysis btw, even if this is a little more of a fantasy setup, but in the end it boils down to the same.