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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: blakespot on December 23, 2010, 05:29:58 PM
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So what's all this then?
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
Is this even AmigaDOS-based? Does this have anything to do with AmigaOS 4.1? I assume not. Screenshots?
Thanks.
blakespot
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My guess: Vapour, or some crappy emulator package on top of a Linux distro.
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moto
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WTF?? That site is hilarious. "The Beautiful New Amiga 2000... The Most Powerful Amiga Ever". :lol:
What gives? It's not even April yet ;)
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I somehow don't think they've went to all the bother of totally re-writing Workbench, it will most like turn out to be a ripped off version of Amiga Forever... :)
(or worse a ripped of version of OS4.0 !!!)
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I somehow don't think they've went to all the bother of totally re-writing Workbench, it will most like turn out to be a ripped off version of Amiga Forever... :)
+1
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A one bad joke. Sad to see it happening to amigans. Damn, maybe Black & Decker would release their "Workbench 5.0" before C= USA?! :)
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@ arttu80
Just curious about your avatar, what the significance of the black silhouette of an old broken toothed bow saw and the two sticks with tampons dangling from them ???
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I'm running Workbench 5.0 right now...It's called Amikit!
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@ arttu80
Just curious about your avatar, what the significance of the black silhouette of an old broken toothed bow saw and the two sticks with tampons dangling from them ???
LOL! Now *that* was funny. Glad to see I'm not the only passive-aggressive instigator around these parts ;)
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So what's all this then?
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
Is this even AmigaDOS-based? Does this have anything to do with AmigaOS 4.1? I assume not. Screenshots?
Thanks.
blakespot
I would bet that it is nothing more than re-badged x86 PC's bundled with WinUAE, or EUAE & Linux. The new C= is just trying to make a buck on the name Commodore and other people's work on the hardware and free software & emulation. They must be getting the Kickstart ROM's from Amiga Inc., if it is all pre-loaded on their new "A1000, A2000, A3000 systems.
A final "F-U" to the remaining Amiga community from Amiga Inc.
Edit: With their claim of including tons of open source games and applications, including an office suite that is compatible with MS Office apps, (Open Office) it is sure to be a Linux distro with EUAE, or AmigaForever integrated that they are calling Workbench 5.0. It will be disappointing if Colanto has sold out to Commodore USA, but not too surprising if it happens.
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We call upon all those with fond memories of the Commodore and AMIGA brands, that are sick of the status quo in the current computing landscape, to join us in rekindling the magic that was Commodore and recreating a legend. With your help in spreading the word, your evangelism, your suggestions and your support, we hope to take the fight back to Apple, and to take on the ubiquitous PC vendors of the world, like Dell. It is time for a revolution against the ordinary. Think different, be different. Don't follow the herd. Exclaim, I'm not a PC. I'm not a Mac. I'm a Commodore! I'm an AMIGA!
So, is Barry Altman aiming for Jim Jones status in the computer world?
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@ arttu80
Just curious about your avatar, what the significance of the black silhouette of an old broken toothed bow saw and the two sticks with tampons dangling from them ???
Is my avatar (which represent by the way crest of my town, comes from historically agricultural and religious backgrounds) is in some kind of conflict with your "mutated big-o-teeth rodent" avatar?
Ok. it's a church boat and crossed flails. Hope you are now much more happier person.
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Is my avatar (which represent by the way crest of my town, comes from historically agricultural and religious backgrounds) is in some kind of conflict with your "mutated big-o-teeth rodent" avatar?
Ok. it's a church boat and crossed flails. Hope you are now much more happier person.
Was merely curious as to what it signified, didn't mean to offend, sorry... :)
(PS:my current avatar is just Kesa's cute lickle pet vampire bunny and yes I'm always happy until me meds wear off.. :))
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Linux with a Amiga Workbench look and feel.
Would be nice if they proved me wrong and it was a new OS but I seriously am doubting it will be.
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It is Linux with Amiga Workbench look, feel and emulation. They also provide WINE to play some Windows games and a dual boot with WinXP/Win7 installed on the HD (dual boot).
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It is Linux with Amiga Workbench look, feel and emulation. They also provide WINE to play some Windows games and a dual boot with WinXP/Win7 installed on the HD (dual boot).
I don't see where they have made anything to sell yet. The preproduction pictures of the cloned C64 case looks like a toy of very poor quality that even if I were an old C64 user, would never buy. Other than paying some plastic company to copy the C64 case, has Commodore USA actually produced anything that they have shown? All I can figure out from their site and what they have written, is that they are a company that has raised some investment capital to purchase the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga names and has plans to re-badge other companies products and other peoples emulation and software, so they can make a buck on nothing new or interesting. Does anyone have any knowledge of Commodore USA employing any developers to write one line of code for any new "Workbench 5.0"? Does anyone know of any hardware that Commodore USA is making that is not just some other company's product that they are replacing a badge with a Commodore, or Amiga badge?
I wonder if Barry's investors have any idea what they have invested in? (and how long will he be able to fool them, since he isn't fooling any of the existing Amiga users about what he is doing, or trying to do)
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CUSA seems to be all hot air.
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I knew straight away it was some kind of AROS/Linux rubbish.
@Franko-as for ripping off Cloanto, well they didn't write WinUAE and any additions they made to it make it harder to use than the 'free' version called WinUAE so I couldn't give a crap about that scumbag company.
I don't see where they have made anything to sell yet. The preproduction pictures of the cloned C64 case looks like a toy of very poor quality that even if I were an old C64 user, would never buy.
Well if he had produced the keyboard EXACTLY as in the renders ie a real C64 keyboard clone then I might consider it. Especially if you could use 9 pin joysticks on it etc.
As it stands the keyboard looks fud and you will need USB joysticks (all crap).
Oh and he chose the wrong case, the original case design looks inferior to the 64C mk2 version IMO.
Again if he reproduced the Amiga keyboard perfectly (screw Apple/Microsoft users wanting their own keys on keyboard) and a 9pin joystick interface like Stelladaptor inside I would be happier.
His 30 million budget is not enough to do this, as I suspect a budget of 30 million russian potatoes = £234.71p in reality ;)
Maybe when we see the Commodore USA adverts on TV all will become clear...no wait there won't be any! :roflmao:
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I think no one should make anything commodore/amiga related new and just let the machines die in peace.
I'm fairly new here but just about everytime I see any new commodore/amiga hardware being purposed, it just gets shreaded to death in a forum.
Why is this?
Makes me feel if I was in the position to create something for our machines, why would I bother.....
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Makes me feel if I was in the position to create something for our machines, why would I bother.....
I've highlighted the problem for you, they are not making anything for our machines, they are making a all new platform, thats pretty much linux based. So they should be targeting linux community more than us.
Plus they haven't helped matters by the way they first introduce them self to the amiga market, few examples: i going to sue OS news for a bad report, amiga.org who gave you the rights to that name! we will just copy some text here steal that image and design their, to reporters and chumps we will be supporting and helping AROS to develop and evolve, to aros users and developers aros means nothing to us. I could go on, I wish I couldn't but thats just how bad they have been, a shame as if they had just been open and honestest and a bit smarter from the start they could avoided a lot of the bashing.
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I've highlighted the problem for you, they are not making anything for our machines, they are making a all new platform, thats pretty much linux based. So they should be targeting linux community more than us.
Plus they haven't helped matters by the way they first introduce them self to the amiga market, few examples: i going to sue OS news for a bad report, amiga.org who gave you the rights to that name! we will just copy some text here steal that image and design their, to reporters and chumps we will be supporting and helping AROS to develop and evolve, to aros users and developers aros means nothing to us. I could go on, I wish I couldn't but thats just how bad they haven been, a shame as if they had just been open and honestest and a bit smarter from the start they could avoided a lot of the bashing.
That would seem to be the difference between an actual business that wants to make money, and well.. whatever these guys turn out to be. For all I know, might be another tax shelter amiga.inc style
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So what's all this then?
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
Is this even AmigaDOS-based? Does this have anything to do with AmigaOS 4.1? I assume not. Screenshots?
old news mate..PC's with Commodore/Amiga stickers ..Linux distro named Workbench 5.0 is just so damn pathetic:angry:...
hey Franko try explaining this to your fellow inmates:roflmao:
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@ All
My assessment is that they are attempting to do what Apple did: create a new OS with Linux -- Apple used Darwin -- at its base. Mostly I see a lot of what is normal for the Amiga community: big dreams. Until they change their business model -- sell Commodore labeled cases -- I suspect all this is gonna be is a dream.
Speaking for myself, they're certainly of no interest to me, as my only remaining interest in Amiga is the OS and they, effectively, are abandoning it.
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I've highlighted the problem for you, they are not making anything for our machines, they are making a all new platform, thats pretty much linux based. So they should be targeting linux community more than us.
Tbh I can't really see what they have to offer the linux community - yet another window manager that kinda looks like something that was in use 20 years ago using form factors that again are pure retro crowd pleasers... Verses most of the current system builders who offer maybe a couple of distros each, but basically supply vanilla installs on standard hardware...
Welp, good luck!
Plus they haven't helped matters by the way they first introduce them self to the amiga market, few examples: i going to sue OS news for a bad report, amiga.org who gave you the rights to that name! we will just copy some text here steal that image and design their, to reporters and chumps we will be supporting and helping AROS to develop and evolve, to aros users and developers aros means nothing to us. I could go on, I wish I couldn't but thats just how bad they have been, a shame as if they had just been open and honestest and a bit smarter from the start they could avoided a lot of the bashing.
Snap.
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@ All
My assessment is that they are attempting to do what Apple did: create a new OS with Linux -- Apple used Darwin -- at its base.
I doubt Commodore USA have either the resources or the skill to achieve anything like that.
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imagine if some one actually finished Amiga Anywhere.. :)
Then we could all play with the little snowman on expensive x86 hw.
That would be awesome.. right?? wouldn't it??? guys???
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To be honest it isn't that hard to make a few Workbench-styled themes for some light-weight window manager, combine them with some scripts and create a deb, and then make a custom Debian install.
How competent are the linux forks of UAE? It could be as simple as a linux boot loader for AmigaOS in an emulator.
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To be honest it isn't that hard to make a few Workbench-styled themes for some light-weight window manager, combine them with some scripts and create a deb, and then make a custom Debian install.
How competent are the linux forks of UAE? It could be as simple as a linux boot loader for AmigaOS in an emulator.
The problem though isn't the difficulty, it's the point. Many of the design decisions in Workbench made sense at the time, or were even cutting edge but would look very dated or even archaic against a modern desktop. Today things have moved on somewhat and I really question whether something that went even slightly beyond simply just producing a skin for LXDE or similar would be in any way worthwhile from the point of view of mainstream Linux users given the alternatives already in the market.
I'm not saying that there isn't the space for another player, I'm curious though as to whether or not there is enough space.
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I doubt Commodore USA have either the resources or the skill to achieve anything like that.
In their defense, Moto, they're a startup and startups seldom have the skills or resources initially. The plan to create an Linux based OS is a _long term_ plan and will only likely be realized depending on the success of their short-term plans: create Commodore branded hardware.
This is, unfortunately, where I doubt their success. Since they are effectively marketing nostalgia, I expect they can sell some hardware numbering in the thousands, possibly in the tens of thousands, but I suspect they need to sell hardware in the hundreds of thousands, even millions before they have enough to sustain the skills and resources required to actively support their long term plans.
Or, more accurately: if it's a plain off-the-internet Linux distro, then they can sell 1 unit a month and have the resources they need, Ubuntu, for example, is still free. If it's a brand new written from scratch OS, then, yes, they'd have to sell in high volumes to support it. What they can actually achieve will simply depend on how many units they actually move.
Only time will tell.
But the only value-add they can currently give to their potential customers is the Commodore brand and after 17+ years of non-existence, I doubt that's worth very much.
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In their defense, Moto, they're a startup and startups seldom have the skills or resources initially.
They also seldom make outlandish claims of $30 million budgets with a web site cobbled together from pictures they found on the Internet :rolleyes:
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CUSA is going to be fighting an uphill battle to gain the respect of the community -- that much is certain.
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The community is irrelevant to C=USA. They thought we would be an easy sell, we were and remain the opposite. They've come to realise that and only come in once in a while to annoy us, just for fun, it appears.
Workbench 5.0 appears to have attracted some of the Anubis eats your chickens folks. It appears to be a Linux distro with some Amiga-like bits tacked on.
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>Microsoft Word compatible Office Suite
Presumably then the spreadsheet is not compatible with Excel, database is not compatible with Access, etc.? Either that or CUSA are very careless when composing these rubbishy announcements. I suspect it's just OpenOffice anyway so why do they not just say so?
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The problem though isn't the difficulty, it's the point. Many of the design decisions in Workbench made sense at the time, or were even cutting edge but would look very dated or even archaic against a modern desktop. Today things have moved on somewhat and I really question whether something that went even slightly beyond simply just producing a skin for LXDE or similar would be in any way worthwhile from the point of view of mainstream Linux users given the alternatives already in the market.
I'm not saying that there isn't the space for another player, I'm curious though as to whether or not there is enough space.
In a world where stuff like KDE and Compiz is standard, and we're moving towards Gnome shell and Unity ? I don't think this has much space to market to.
If the goal is a low power distro (and with open office, I kinda doubt it), there's already plenty of stuff to beat (DSL, Puppy etc).
Its not impossible, but Im not seeing it from an outfit like that
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This is a South Florida shell game.
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AROS obviously won't work for them from a licence point of view so a version of Linux, named Commodore OS, is not necessarily a bad idea, I think.
Apple did it and did it well. Personally, there may be merit to having a version of linux named after a popular computer. When you think about it, if Apple said they were just running linux (I know it isn't but follow me for a sec) would it have had the same impact? I would say probably not. If they market it as Commodore OS and not push the fact it is linux and focus on the name, it just may work.
As the CTO said in the forum, the hard core Amiga crowd isn't their market, I can see why. They are bringing an old name back to link with Linux. Nothing more nothing less.
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AROS obviously won't work for them from a licence point of view so a version of Linux, named Commodore OS, is not necessarily a bad idea, I think.
What's wrong with the AROS Public License? It's just an MIT license with a GPL-style copyback clause. Besides, Linux is full GPL which is even worse.
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What's wrong with the AROS Public License? It's just an MIT license with a GPL-style copyback clause. Besides, Linux is full GPL which is even worse.
From http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/6-workbench-5-software-development-/5-workbench-5-question-thread?limit=15&start=30 , the CTO states
However, since our initial announcement of the intention to champion AROS, as well as pre-install it on all of our machines, we received a threat of legal action from another vendor, who shall remain nameless, if we proceeded with our plans, due to agreements that had been made with our Amiga licensor. Whether our utilisation of AROS is actually subject to these contractual agreements is a contentious issue, but we would rather not run the risk of a lawsuit down the track.
(It is more about the licence of the Amiga name rather than the AROS licence.)
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Is my avatar (which represent by the way crest of my town, comes from historically agricultural and religious backgrounds) is in some kind of conflict with your "mutated big-o-teeth rodent" avatar?
Ok. it's a church boat and crossed flails. Hope you are now much more happier person.
Not to nitpick, but rabbits are not rodents. Rabbits are small mammals in the family Leporidae of the order Lagomorpha.
But I gotta admit the fangs are kinda creepy.
Say, since CUSA is actually building something (or will be) you guys sound kinda pissy.
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Not to nitpick, but rabbits are not rodents. Rabbits are small mammals in the family Leporidae of the order Lagomorpha.
But I gotta admit the fangs are kinda creepy.
Say, since CUSA is actually building something (or will be) you guys sound kinda pissy.
I'm not pissy. Will be interesting to see. Just like webkit has moved into being the best option for browsers, so to *nix will also be the best option for operating systems. Windows days are numbered.
As it stands now, Apple is the only company to use a *nix operating system specifically designed for their computers. There are Linux distros though they are meant for a wide variety. CUSA seem to want to focus on it running smoothly on their hardware. If it comes in cheaper than the Apple stuff then they just might be onto something there.
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I'm not pissy. Will be interesting to see. Just like webkit has moved into being the best option for browsers, so to *nix will also be the best option for operating systems. Windows days are numbered.
As it stands now, Apple is the only company to use a *nix operating system specifically designed for their computers. There are Linux distros though they are meant for a wide variety. CUSA seem to want to focus on it running smoothly on their hardware. If it comes in cheaper than the Apple stuff then they just might be onto something there.
You might want to do a little research on the NT kernel. All non-MS-Dos based versions of Windows are based on it. Its not too far removed from Unix.
Personally I'm hoping an open source OS like Linux (or something based on it) wins out. Looking at the sucess of Android based devices, this just might happen.
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I don't mind if this new Commodore company makes use of a modified Ubuntu distro with good supports. Maybe using amiwn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiwm)? I don't know. As long as this company respects the orginal Workbench, I wouldn't complain.
You might want to do a little research on the NT kernel. All non-MS-Dos based versions of Windows are based on it. Its not too far removed from Unix.
NT is also similar to VMS.
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NT is also similar to VMS.
My Arse ! Stop believing everything you read from the GooglePlex or the his Wikiness.
By that logic, half of everything ever written, software or written word is "similar" to everything else.
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CUSA is a joke.
We started our website and starting using the name commodore usa before we even had the legal right to do so (FAIL)
We slap commodore stickers on existing all in one keyboard pcs (FAIL)
We copied,cut and pasted our first website from apple (FAIL)
We think AROS is not in our plans, we trash AROS (FAIL)
We say we will pre-install aros on every pc we sell (FAIL)
We have a 30 million dollar advertising budget (FAIL) (LIE!)
We'll have ads on national television by the holiday season. (FAIL) (LIE)
We steal artwork from anyone we want to (FAIL)
We copy case pictures from the internet and announce new computer models (FAIL)
We announce all these new computer models, but never show even 1 working prototype (FAIL)
We change our website when someone points out we made stupid errors on our new "amiga line" of computers (FAIL)
We take an old render of a fantasy amiga, and claim its our new amiga branded computer (FAIL)
We announced many new computers, then they all dissapeared from our
new website, with no explanation (FAIL)
We claim a NY based ad agency is making our ads, but when someone calls that ad agency, they say they were talked to by cusa, but they haven't even started making any ads yet (FAIL)
We send threatening legal letters to OSNEWS.COM for stating facts (FAIL)
We claim amiga.org has no right to use the name amiga (FAIL)
We announce a "new os", but won't release any information on it (FAIL)
We won't confirm or deny our new os is just a custom ubuntu respin, even though the info so far released makes that obvious (FAIL)
We keep making announcement after announcement of new computers, but we have nothing in our web store that you can actually buy (FAIL)
Our company phone # is just a voicemail box at a furniture company our ceo runs out of his house (FAIL)
Gee, considering their proven track record so far, with so much success so far, I wonder how well cusa will do in the computer market?
Personally I think its obvious... They will : ( F A I L )
Steven
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wasn't 30 million the amount of money amiga.inc had promised to a local sports team back in the day ?
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wasn't 30 million the amount of money amiga.inc had promised to a local sports team back in the day ?
No, that it was $10million with a $2.5million up front to Kent. Source (http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2007/07/23/daily22.html?t=printable).
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Isn't it sad, that when it comes down to it, all a name is for some, is in the end, just used for a "Confidence Trick".
The thought process, is a little depressing, and shows how humankind can extort a shilling by using a famous "name".
We all know what went on with the Stadium, the CUSA, ADevIndia is just another way to raise capital from sucker investors.
Its so simple, buy a name, make a noise and bank the cheques. You just imagine the lunch meetings, with grandma's inheritance money, the re-mortgage, the lucky loser. Laughing all the way to the bank.
The above examples, are just a tip of the Amiga "con" iceberg. Its just another day at the bottom of this economic dirt pile for these flies, next week its another name another stolen dollar.
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@haywirepc
you hit the points, this is such a sh*t loop...end of transmission (for now).
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@Boudicca
Do't worry about it, the "con" was always a part of the Commodore/Amiga story. It's actually funny how C=USA just sort of fall right into the pattern.