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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Franko on December 15, 2010, 07:33:55 PM
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I've only been online since June of this year, but my oh my, how has the Amiga community changed since the good old days when all Amiga users had one thing in common ie: we all loved the Amiga and never actually had a bad word to say about it (we usually only slagged of other platforms...) :)
Not anymore it seems, I know there's a right old mixture of folks on this sight who claim to be Amigans but there's also a hell of a lot of folk who seem intent on either trying to claim the Amiga is dead and another lot full of crazy opinions that the Amiga should be run on this processor or that processor, or this OS or that OS and spend more time arguing and debating and even slagging each other off about each others views :(
Now I enjoy a good debate/argument but my brother just emailed me to tell me that he and a number of his friends (their all PC users by the way) have been looking in on this site lately and they are all of the opinion now that our so called Amiga community is nothing more than a bunch of "sad retards who seem hell bent on destroying themselves from within"... :(
Don't know about you but I think they may have a point... or do they just not understand the Amiga Community as it is today... :)
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Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.
They went post-apocalyptic. It does different things to different people.
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Some of us lived through well over a decade of false promise, vaporware, company stupidity and out-right lies. As such many wouldn't piss on Amiga.com etc. if it were on fire.
Like wise we have seen others like UAE, Aros, Pagasos, Minimig, and others actually do some incredible stuff. But we don't agree which direction is best (just like the old days with PPC, Alpha, etc.)
Call it jaded. Enthusiasm sometimes comes off as idiotic. New projects are spurned as we don't want to get our hopes up. (natami)
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I still want a boXer
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/boxer.html
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@ KThunder
I see you've removed the last line of your first post, but from what it said I think you misunderstand what I mean here... :)
I was only asking what others think about this comment that was made by someone whom I know has never used an Amiga in his life and assume his friends haven't either... :)
I am only looking for some decent responses that I can email to my brother-in-law to hopefully correct him and put him in his place with his comments that have left me feeling a wee bit peeved... :(
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This (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=500609&postcount=10) is how I reacted to the launch of Amigans.net. Hard to believe it was 4 years ago.
So much fragmentation in our little realm of computing...
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dude..it's like a family...what looks like chaos to the 'outsiders' is actually just people talking loud to those inside 'the family':afro:
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This (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=500609&postcount=10) is how I reacted to the launch of Amigans.net. Hard to believe it was 4 years ago.
So much fragmentation in our little realm of computing...
Nice post, but it doesn't really give me much ammo to email back him with... :)
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I like your message here. :)
I was never an Amiga owner in the day. I was an Atarian as that fit my budget best. I have no issues with any platform and used whatever computer I could get, enjoying them to the fullest. Just this year 2010 I found some interest in Amiga after all these years. I must say there is way too much what I call "teenage angst" on most all Amiga forums I joined. This angst coming from adults is way over the top. Turned me off a bit from the Amiga community. I can turn away and not get involved with these kinds of folks but it seems a large percent of the activity these days is just this bashing that and this bashing that. Gets real old even if I agree with some of what they say. Sad because most all the Amiga hardware that has anything to do with Amiga or the Amiga OS or compatible are fine fine products. They can stand on their own and shows why some of you really loved the Amiga for what it is and was.
You always see a crackpot or two in any online community but I must say, the other retro computer boards I am on, there is much more positive attitudes and helpfulness on them versus the Amiga sites. Seems like other retro folks I meet on other sites enjoy a common bond of using their machines. Sure they have lively discussions but that is what they are and never turn to all the verbal abuse I see on the Amiga forums.
Not sure why this is the case but for me, reading these forums day in and day out has turned me a bit away from enjoying or getting more info Amiga. I am not into care bear sites and can duel with the best of them but prefer to enjoy items of interest and leave the kids agnst to kids.
tj
I've only been online since June of this year, but my oh my, how has the Amiga community changed since the good old days when all Amiga users had one thing in common ie: we all loved the Amiga and never actually had a bad word to say about it (we usually only slagged of other platforms...) :)
Not anymore it seems, I know there's a right old mixture of folks on this sight who claim to be Amigans but there's also a hell of a lot of folk who seem intent on either trying to claim the Amiga is dead and another lot full of crazy opinions that the Amiga should be run on this processor or that processor, or this OS or that OS and spend more time arguing and debating and even slagging each other off about each others views :(
Now I enjoy a good debate/argument but my brother just emailed me to tell me that he and a number of his friends (their all PC users by the way) have been looking in on this site lately and they are all of the opinion now that our so called Amiga community is nothing more than a bunch of "sad retards who seem hell bent on destroying themselves from within"... :(
Don't know about you but I think they may have a point... or do they just not understand the Amiga Community as it is today... :)
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@ KThunder
I see you've removed the last line of your first post, but from what it said I think you misunderstand what I mean here... :)
I was only asking what others think about this comment that was made by someone whom I know has never used an Amiga in his life and assume his friends haven't either... :)
I am only looking for some decent responses that I can email to my brother-in-law to hopefully correct him and put him in his place with his comments that have left me feeling a wee bit peeved... :(
It is retro, or nostalgia, or whatever you might think. But I think their comment might be spot on for an outsider. With the possible exception of Aros there is little here for outsiders.
The title of the thread however is what happened to the "real" amiga community, as though we are not the real community or there is no real community aymore. anyway both may be true. we have split into amigafans who like Aros, amigafans who like os4, etc. etc.
in other words there isn't really anything to "put him in his place" I think people who knit are a bit off thier rockers, but they don't have to care what I think. same with us.
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@ amigasociety & KThunder
I agree with what you both say here. I know I shouldn't be bothered about what folks who don't even have an interest in the Amiga have to say but it just made me wonder if outsiders looking in think we are all a bunch of "sad retards" then what hope is there of the Amiga ever being taken seriously again by companies that we hope one day may take an interest in producing stuff for the Amiga again.
If I were an outsider looking in I'd honestly have to say I'd probably have a similar view as them.
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"sad retards" is a bit harsh, it's just something they aren't interested in.
Personally I've bought probably three times as much retro games as new ones as well as hardware etc. in the last ten years. But I've had friends who will stand in the cold for hours to get their hands on the newest (overpriced) xbox360 or ps3 game.
They don't have to get me, and I don't have to get them, but it would be nice if people were polite.
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... outsiders looking in think we are all a bunch of "sad retards"
And when it comes to discussing the flaws and merits of AROS/OS4/MOS we certainly are extremely uncivilized - especially on Amiga.org. But if we look at Aminet and the sites of people who actually do something with or for Amiga stuff, we find some great work there.
I for example was very impressed that since the changes to youtube - it took only about 3 days for the developer to update Getvideo.rexx and it is running better than ever. There is no money to be made and hardly any fame to be gained when you are working for the Amiga, but there are many highly motivated people out here that build upon the legacy of the most powerful home computer ever built.
I am inclined to end this with "long live Amiga", but in fact we all know that Amiga is dead since 1993. "Long live the dead?":laugh1:
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Your brother is right - we are a bunch of sad retards, but we are passionate sad retards.
There are few others who care enough about 25 year-old electronic equipment like the Amiga
community does.
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I too come from outside the Amiga community. When Amigas were still on the market, my company was selling 68K based multi-user systems starting at $999.
Like the Atari user who posted earlier, my main connection is the 68K processor.
My current fascination with the Amiga community stems from the fact that it is the only M68K based system that is not only not dead, but is alive and continuing to see new developments in hardware and software.
I think its very cool that I can run unmodified 68K code under MorphOS on my Powermac PPC based system. Amiga related OS' are compact, efficient, and have very quick booting times. With NG OS' we have software that makes our systems practical substitutes for common PCs.
How many other retro systems can claim this? None that I know of. We may sound like fanatics, but personally I think it's just pride in the resilience and vitality of our market.
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Well, if some bugger I've never met wants to label me a "sad retard" for deriving pleasure from the maintenance and use of old computer hardware, that's his bang. Frankly, why should I care?
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I think there is similar conflicts and splits in other retro-communities. Just log on to a car forum and ask for advice on how to renovate an old car and you'll see. :D
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I think there is similar conflicts and splits in other retro-communities. Just log on to a car forum and ask for advice on how to renovate an old car and you'll see. :D
I am into aircooled VWs and yes, the car world is a whole other story. Lots of crazy bashing there.
Like I said, all forums have them. To me, at least the ones I visit, the Amiga forums seem to have the most angst out of the all.
tj
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I must say im most of a classic and OS4 fanboy, to say so. But I also respect MorphOS. Even AROS isn´t so bad I think. And I am happy for having UAE because when everything fails this will always live on.
I think the community is now for quite a while pretty healthy and active, because we had also times when there was not so much activity. But it is true and sad, that there is also a lot of war - especially on the net - be sure when we met each other IRL there is much more kindeness and respect between all the fractions.
On the other hand its also clear that everyone wants to see his favorite direction to be best, strongest and most prospective - so there is always some pushing of this.
So for me Amiga still isn´t bad and I love it - but nowadays there are differents flavours. I love the classics and for me the system of the future is or should be OS4. I am also curious about MorphOS. Probably there will come once the time when AROS will gain more ground - who knows. So I love all but some a little bit more ;-)
And back to the community - if you need help you will always get it in the Amiga community - still nowadays. A bad thing is to participate in discussions which system is better because ... you know - this could become frustrating but for sure it is boring me more and more.
What makes me really angry it is when companys will come who use the name Amiga for a stock PC with an emulation - sorry but this is in no way an Amiga this stock HW with an emulation. Emulation is not bad to be honest but for me this should not be sold as an Amiga.
Long live the Amiga and his community!
Eh and sorry for my bad english (I also didn´t want to spend too much time to reread my text and correct it)
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We're all just waiting for a major plague to hit, so we can have our Zombie Amigas rise up and slay the Windows based crap that is out there!
Really, the Amiga community dwindles, then grows, then dwindles, etc. I've been a lurker for many years, then finally bought an A4000 and set out to upgrade it to see if it were a viable platform for my job.
Only really two things that kept me from using it at work. SSH was/is a pain to get installed and working right (haven't done it yet, but then on the Amiga, I have been easily distracted by playing with other things...) and the noise of the PSU. Damn, that thing is like sitting next to some of the servers we have.
The thing about the Amiga that has made it one of the 'dead' computers that still has such a (dare I say religious) community around it is because of how amazing and far ahead of everything else it was at the time of release. I mostly had Atari computers when I was younger, but was always jealous of my friend's Amiga 500 that had Color Icons and an OS that could run more than one program.
Nowadays I'm simply amazed at what it can do with such little resources. I mean you can't even install Windows XP on anything less than 128MB of ram, and even if you do put it on that, I pitty you. It literally took 10 minutes to load up OpenOffice.org under Windows XP with 128mb of ram. Even Ubuntu at the time took about 3minutes.
Granted I don't know what the equivalent program for the Amiga would be, but I bet it'd run with 2mb chip and 16mb fast ram without any issues.
This is why we are still "sad retards". Personally I think the people who boast about having 4GB of RAM and 1GB of RAM on EACH of their GPUs, and then have to say that they can ALMOST run Crysis with everything at highest quality are the sad retards.
The ones that are really sad are the ones who are simply too young to remember games like Lemmings, Cannon Fodder, Dungeon Master, etc. The ones who think Halo is the best video game ever.
Amigas themselves have some personality. Most PCs don't. I think that's one of the main reasons I'm a Linux advocate and Administrator, is because Linux also has a lot of personality.
Anyhow, just some rants.
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We're all just waiting for a major plague to hit, so we can have our Zombie Amigas rise up and slay the Windows based crap that is out there!
Not sure if you just being a smarty pants or not, but this is a classic example of why people outside of the community think of us as a bunch of nutjobs. Simply put, the way the rest of the world sees it, Windows has won the home computer war, Mac is making a comback (shudder) but they are still a loooong way off. Now, to put things into perspective, when an Amiga nutjob starts shooting his mouth off about how great the Amiga is and how crap Windows is, common sense kicks in and says; "Hang on, if the Amiga is so great, why did it die off nearly 20 years ago?". Just sayin' is all...
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Some of us lived through well over a decade of false promise, vaporware, company stupidity and out-right lies. As such many wouldn't piss on Amiga.com etc. if it were on fire.
Like wise we have seen others like UAE, Aros, Pagasos, Minimig, and others actually do some incredible stuff. But we don't agree which direction is best (just like the old days with PPC, Alpha, etc.)
Call it jaded. Enthusiasm sometimes comes off as idiotic. New projects are spurned as we don't want to get our hopes up. (natami)
QFMFT
Pretty much sums up my own feelings on the matter in their entirety. I'd write something more personal, unfortunately this thread has come post the first decent pub session I've had in 3 years. :)
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I know there's a right old mixture of folks on this sight who claim to be Amigans
I don't think there is a problem with people calling themselves Amigans, rather when others claim you are *not* (and using words like "true" or "real" as an emphasis to this). That's when problems arise. That and the secterism that has been carefully cultivated in some circles. Luckily most of those people hangs out on other forums than this one though.
To most people here it's just a hobby, nothing too serious, and it's still fun. :)
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It's certainly understandable that someone who went away in 1995 and came back today would find today's amiga boards more of an odd alien ancestor of their old friend.
The Amiga gang is unique in the computer world. We have been perpetually caught between the business states of "dead retro" and "startup business" for about 17 years. For the community that's stayed aboard the for whole weird wandering ride, it's created a bit of a fractured schizophrenic atmosphere.
Amiga never totally died, so can't have a "revival" like other platforms. Neither has it fully "survived" as a viable business, so continuously leaves hopefully customers wanting. It is a unique techie soap opera that presents a different version of interest and entertainment for everyone that chooses to participate.
Sad... yes we tend to be a bit sad about Amiga's fate thus far. Retards... match any experience and IQ here against any of your buddies. I'm placing my bet on the Amigans, twitchy bunch that they are. Destroying from within... not at all. We are just constantly debating how best to reanimate frankenstein, or what parts we should harvest and paste on another living host. That clears that up I hope. ;)
Plaz
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I think there is similar conflicts and splits in other retro-communities. Just log on to a car forum and ask for advice on how to renovate an old car and you'll see. :D
Oh, yes. I'm doing that too and the threads that get going on those boards/subjects can make flames on Amiga sites look tame.
Plaz
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I've been losing interest in Amiga.org for months. Too many topics that either don't seem to be about Amigas at all, or threads with silly polls seem to get way more attention and replies than any constructive Amiga threads. The reason myself and a lot of other people I talk to in private don't want to post here is because it just seems pointless when our hard work or enthusiasm for new development is met with negativity and ignorance.
I think your brother's friends are right about this forum.
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I agree with Cammy. Being mostly into vintage or "legacy" Amiga gear anyway, I'm rather interested in buying, selling, trading and talking about the vintage stuff. This forum used to be great for that - but now it's turned into something much less productive. Too much "U.K" off topic humor and all around silliness for me. A joke or jest here or there - fine. And then there's all these Amiga-like OS's, but nobody really talks about them in a useful, constructive or hands-on manner. Too much mystery and arrogance surround them for those of us that are not software developers.
Oh well. Maybe it's time to hit Amibay up a little harder these days for trading. :P
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Palestine & Israel -- take a look at the present without any knowledge of the history and what do you conclude? OK, that analogy is a bit extreme!
It's also fair to say that there are many threads here that are largely positive. Furthermore, technical help is often just minutes away on this forum, due to the far from "retarded" users here. There is so much infighting because there are so many strong opinions about the future of Amiga, and the trademark-holders are quite weak. Most retro has no future, almost by definition. Amiga is certainly different. Yes, there are pros and cons.
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@Franko
Now? This is nothing! Everything is zen now compared to years gone by online. If I had to put a finger on the worst, most ugly year, it would have to be about 2003. That said, probably every year from about ~1998 to ~2007 were pretty ugly. The few really hardcore camp minded folks have migrated off to (insert camp here) minority sites.
Sure nowadays we get some slagging here and there amongst ourselves, but it is nothing you won't find on any other discussion forum on the internet with membership of this size.
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I don't think there is a problem with people calling themselves Amigans, rather when others claim you are *not* (and using words like "true" or "real" as an emphasis to this). That's when problems arise. That and the secterism that has been carefully cultivated in some circles. Luckily most of those people hangs out on other forums than this one though.
Your sig. LOL.
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What happened to it was that people started defining the community as "The Real Amiga Community" vs. the fake Amiga community.
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Your sig. LOL.
Ah sweet irony. Like coppery, 'cept made of iron!
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My own 2c...
Back in the olden days, there was one Amiga, and it was Good. Amiga owners stuck to Amiga sites, Atari owners to Atari sites, and there was healthy rivalry between the sides. Most of the sane people treated it as a bit of a joke, same as it had always been right back to the 8-bit days when Spectrum and C64 owners would taunt each other in the playground.
These days, however, the name "Amiga" encompasses no less than four systems, and Amiga.org attempts to cover all of them. The result of this is that each 'camp' is within the same forum. So, the fighting is the same, but this time it's all within one forum instead of between fora; hence, it looks like in-fighting, whereas before it looked like partisanism.
For myself, I subscribe to A.org for classic Amiga hardware and older OSes - my interest in A500s, A2000s, bridgeboards and the like is satiated here - I go to AW.net for software news and high-end Amiga stuff like my A4000, and Amigans.net for OS4 on my A1 or A4000. Aros-exec.org does fine for my AROS needs, MorphZone.org for MorphOS. I would never go to Amiga.org for a MorphOS statement any more than I would go to MorphZone.org for an Amiga question.
I realise that A.org tries to be a forum for all flavours of Amiga, but in my experience it doesn't work - and won't work for as long as the MorphOS fans jump on Amiga threads or Amiga fans jump on MorphOS threads.
The parallels to religious sectarianism are many, and in much the same way as the whole world would get on better if we all learned to respect our differences and choices rather than push our own belief system on others, so the same applies here. It's like you have a forum about Christianity.... you all want the same belief but the Catholics and the Protestants will never see eye to eye.
OK, maybe that was a bit more than 2c. :)
Edit: just to clarify, this post isn't meant as a criticism, just as an observation. Well, not a criticism of the site, anyway. More a criticism of the people who keep chiming in about how x is better than y in a thread about y.
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Wow... what a mixed bag of replies here...
@ Cammy
I find it a bit odd that you'd choose to stay away from this site just because of polls, it's not as if your forced to read or take part in them so I don't see how that would make you post here less which is a great pity...:(
@ Save2600
I know you yanks don't have much in the way of a sense of humor but is U.K. humor really so bad that you'd rather condemn yourself to Amibay... ;)
@ redrumloa
Why what happened in 2003, sounds like a good bit of historical reading to me... :)
@ whabang
Your brother is right - we are a bunch of sad retards, but we are passionate sad retards.
There are few others who care enough about 25 year-old electronic equipment like the Amiga
community does.
Thought I'd highlight this one on bold for when the brother-in-law & his cronies take there next peek on the site, nicely said I say...:)
@ Iggy
I think its very cool that I can run unmodified 68K code under MorphOS on my Powermac PPC based system. Amiga related OS' are compact, efficient, and have very quick booting times. With NG OS' we have software that makes our systems practical substitutes for common PCs.
How many other retro systems can claim this? None that I know of. We may sound like fanatics, but personally I think it's just pride in the resilience and vitality of our market.
Another great comment for the bro to read and weep...:)
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@Franko
Now? This is nothing! Everything is zen now compared to years gone by online. If I had to put a finger on the worst, most ugly year, it would have to be about 2003.
Ah yes, 2003, the great purge :lol: Those were funny days, dead butterflies and burst boing balls a plenty...
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Ah yes, 2003, the great purge :lol: Those were funny days, dead butterflies and burst boing balls a plenty...
Yep, the inspiration for these old avatars :D
(http://avatargraveyard.extropia.co.uk/av/ag_02.gif)
Alas there was a brief armistice
(http://avatargraveyard.extropia.co.uk/av/ag_06.gif)
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@Franko
Now? This is nothing! Everything is zen now compared to years gone by online. If I had to put a finger on the worst, most ugly year, it would have to be about 2003. That said, probably every year from about ~1998 to ~2007 were pretty ugly. The few really hardcore camp minded folks have migrated off to (insert camp here) minority sites.
Sure nowadays we get some slagging here and there amongst ourselves, but it is nothing you won't find on any other discussion forum on the internet with membership of this size.
^ this.
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It's not just the polls...
I guess I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps it's the lack of interest or support for any new Amiga developments.
It seems like Amiga.org has become the joke forum of the Amiga community. I guess it could be worse.
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It's not just the polls...
I guess I can't put my finger on it. Perhaps it's the lack of interest or support for any new Amiga developments.
It seems like Amiga.org has become the joke forum of the Amiga community. I guess it could be worse.
We are a tough audience, to be fair. Don't interpret wariness and lack of immediate enthusiasm for lack of interest.
I've lost count of the number of times I've been let down by developments that came to nothing. A-Box, BoXeR, BlizzardG4 (I would have happily sold organs for one of those), AmiJoe G3, Shark, ColdFusion and Dragon to name just a few hardware items alone.
Dennis had the right idea with the minimig. He didn't announce it until it was almost finished and he delivered a product that was based on a realistic target and avoided falling into the trap of adding more and more stuff to it. Thanks to other people taking up where he left off, it looks like the AGA version will come to light. Which is just awesome.
Consider the NatAmi. I've said a few times that I worry this project suffers from feature creep. Does that mean I don't support it? Not at all. That criticism is on how the project appears to be managed, not what their motivations are. It is vapour until I have it in my grubby paws. Am I excited by it? It's touted to be a machine that picks up where AGA left off, with greatly improved speed and improved features. What's not to be excited about? It's exactly the sort of thing I wanted, ever since the boxer was first announced.
I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm cautious. Not uninterested.
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It seems like Amiga.org has become the joke forum of the Amiga community. I guess it could be worse.
Not the joke, but maybe the "old folks home".
"Hey! You kids get your dang OS off my lawn!" :lol:
Though I'd like to, I also find fewer converstations to participate in these days. Seems it's all been said before... many times. Why repeat? I keep hanging around though hoping for better days. If I had more free time/money I'd contribute more to projects , but that's just not possible for now.
Plaz
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http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29050 <- that didn't happen. Or rather announcements (lots of them) happened and then nothing else.
AT happened, then unfortunately Jim Collas happened, Bill Buck happened, Bill McEwen happened, Barry Moss happened, the Merlancia idiot happened, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Etc....
I guess you get my point.
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Plaz, I think you got it right. I just find hardly anything worth contributing to now, and it certainly seems like the same topics keep being brought up time and time again. The useless threads just keep getting bumped, but when something new or useful gets announced it slips under the radar. Take Quick Videos for example, for the first time in forever we finally have a new video editing program for Amiga systems with a nice, easy to use GUI, and yet the thread gets a single reply and is never seen again.
Compared to last Christmas, this year's Festive Game Making Competition has been a complete failure due to lack of interest or participation. I wasn't sure about running it again this year because of the way the forums have been going lately, but I did anyway since a few people said I should. This will probably be the last time I ever try something like this. Either the community just doesn't care anymore, or a lot of people don't like me personally. I don't think this is somewhere I fit in anymore, if I ever did. I'm not ready for the old folks home yet.
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Pretty much all forums are full of petty bickering and pointless flame wars. The differenece here is that there's not much else going on to thin it out.
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I think it comes down to passion and lack of resources, combined with narrow-mindedness.
Some have very specific opinions on what is a "worthwhile" Amiga/ish project and they might view projects that exist outside their comfort zone as competing for resources with their ideal. The reality is, those projects are directed by people who are just as passionate about their chosen direction, so there's no competition just an alternative option.
But helping passionate and opinionated people see sense is a problem as old as humanity.
The trick is to see anything even vaguely related to "Amiga" (in the year 2010) as positive, ie; even bad news is still news. With all the passion and vitriol still floating around 15 years after the fact, at least the Amiga wont die through indifference.
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Either the community just doesn't care anymore, or a lot of people don't like me personally. I don't think this is somewhere I fit in anymore, if I ever did. I'm not ready for the old folks home yet.
Or maybe there's another option: not enough time to spare among a busy life? :) Although I'm not exactly sure how the "not like you option" fits in there. Are you sure you're not taking this all a little too seriously? Just puttin' that out for thought.
Just wanted to interject. Time for this old fart to nod off again... Now, get off my lawn!
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I've been losing interest in Amiga.org for months. Too many topics that either don't seem to be about Amigas at all, or threads with silly polls seem to get way more attention and replies than any constructive Amiga threads. The reason myself and a lot of other people I talk to in private don't want to post here is because it just seems pointless when our hard work or enthusiasm for new development is met with negativity and ignorance.
I think your brother's friends are right about this forum.
Agree, too many "social life" here and absence for amiga stuffs ant too many ipad-iphone topics.
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End of the day it doesnt really matter. Amiga, in all forms is a relic. One with some great ideas behind it that are suitable for the modern world still, but a relic nonetheless (heck, even beta lost the "war"). If a person worries about what others think then theyre going to be constantly disappointed. On paper the feature set of all "amigas" make it appear humble at best, but only people who know the system understand that its not a machine you can always compare on paper to others .
If you enjoy an amiga system then simply enjoy it. Outside approval/non-mockery may never happen, but if that's important to a person then they've chosen the wrong hobby. Chasing approval and/or trying to justify using the system(s) in the modern world has so far played a big part in why the outside world tend to look at us as though we're retarded.
Just enjoy it for yourself. Nothing else should matter, and if you happen to find some others who share your interest along the way, then that's just a bonus.
All that said however, if you want someone to understand, get them to use an amiga exclusively for a few weeks to a point that they know the system ok. It's the only way people will truly get it. Sure, it may not cope with industry standards so well sometimes (not the same as being incapable of comparable results), but there absolutely are certain charms and ideas worth preserving.
In some ways the Amiga being so far ahead of the curve ball 20-25 years ago is responsible. We had a machine doing similar things to what's done today and when mainstream consumers see/hear the idea of people using such an old machine it probably would seem strange, after all, "it's only in recent times computers have been so 'friendly'". (to people on the outside)
So, my final summary is, "I enjoy the system, what's it to you?". :)
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Take Quick Videos for example, for the first time in forever we finally have a new video editing program for Amiga systems with a nice, easy to use GUI, and yet the thread gets a single reply and is never seen again.
Was that posted in the Amiga Desktop Audio/Video forum? I didn't see it there.
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amiga.org has helped me out tremendously with my 500 & 1200 over the years. Any and every problem I have faced has been solved with the help of many friendly & helpful amigans worldwide..SO the community was & still is very alive IMHO.
of course, as many people have already mentioned, the problem is the trolling threads lately appear to get more attention than the real AMIGA issues that people really care about..
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Take Quick Videos for example, for the first time in forever we finally have a new video editing program for Amiga systems with a nice, easy to use GUI, and yet the thread gets a single reply and is never seen again.
I'm sure many looked and lurked, but fewer these days want to participate in yet another thread that potentially turns into a "this camp bashing that camp" event as so many do. Remember the small rucus of the AROS getting movable screens?
BTW, you'll find Quick Videoa under the AROS section...
http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55693
Plaz
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Either the community just doesn't care anymore, or a lot of people don't like me personally.
You're right Cammy, we don't like you. We LOVE you :)
Even though I haven't contributed one iota to game programming lately (I'm usually good for beta testing and can offer lots of good game play concepts and mechanics ideas), I for one appreciate your energy and enthusiasm for our beloved platform. Your dedication and straightforward no-nonsense approach to computing and these forums in general, are truly unique. Please don't think anyone here doesn't like you. That's not the case at all. Some of us are just too busy doing other things (life often gets in the way as a mortgage paying, tax paying, auto paying, etc. adult) to pay attention to the things that really matter, subconsciously or not, to us sometimes :)
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@ Save2600
I know you yanks don't have much in the way of a sense of humor but is U.K. humor really so bad that you'd rather condemn yourself to Amibay... ;)
As I spend a fair amount of my time at Amibay as well, I can tell you that you will never find a more wretched hive of..... ... of...
English humor fans!!!!
LOTS of it over there... You'd think a lot of them live there or something!! :-)
And, while I am from the U.S., I have to admit the more the better...
Just finished up watching a few seasons of "The IT Crowd!" OMG!!!
That is hysterical!!!!!! :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
As for the Amiga community, it feels just like is used to back in the day.
Except instead of ST bashing, there is "not-my-flavor-of-Amiga" bashing...
I've never been a fan of any of that (not that I haven't unintentionally fed some trolls from time to time.. It's so darn easy to get pulled in..)...
I even remember the Amiga memory protection "discussions" on FIDONET (yes, I am that old) between Matt Dillon and er.. um.. the people who disagreed with Matt.. ;-) I sided with Matt; not because I knew, but because I bought and used DICE.... But, those discussions got pretty bad, and that was way back in the late 80's...
Of course, it never seemed as bad back then. Reading the arguments, yet listening to Tears for Fears... 80's..
:-)
Personally, I don't mind the arguments. But the condescension gets to me...
However, considering the season, I'll just have a glass of egg-nog & some cookies, play some Christmas Lemmings, and relax...
Happy Holidays
desiv
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Never understood why people have a problem with "off topic" threads and chit chat, thought we were all here because we share a common interest? Who cares what we talk about. Remember, if you don't like what you see, don't read it. Simple :)
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the smaller a niche, the more fiercely the divisions
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I've been losing interest in Amiga.org for months. Too many topics that either don't seem to be about Amigas at all, or threads with silly polls seem to get way more attention and replies than any constructive Amiga threads. The reason myself and a lot of other people I talk to in private don't want to post here is because it just seems pointless when our hard work or enthusiasm for new development is met with negativity and ignorance.
I think your brother's friends are right about this forum.
I must be losing interest in this site too, because I completely missed this thread and also missed the other thread about the new Video editing software for the Amiga. I'll have to go find that one and see what it is about.
There was a time when I doubt I missed any threads on this site, because I would visit here so many times a day, it was very unlikely that any thread could slip off the main page before I would see and read it. I read every thread and almost every post made on this site for many years, but not any more.
I have to agree with Cammy that the content here does not seem to be what it used to be and the negativity has increased to a point that it has me looking elsewhere to get Amiga information and help. The one thing I always thought Amiga.org had over other sites was the help provided here.
I am not saying that I am leaving here, it has been my Amiga home for many years. But it does not measure up to what it used to be. It may just be a sign of the times, or the changing of all internet sites that I am noticing, who knows?
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for what its worth, I still find this site great for classic amiga questions and hardware. I just don't dive into the "next gen" discussions much anymore.
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A good way of knowing what die hard mac and pc fans think of us Amiga users is in the comment section of my YouTube videos I have up of I'm a PC, I'm a Mac and I'm Amiga Advert spoofs, some like it, some really hate it. Here is a perfect example of one debate I had.
- drbilly100 (http://www.youtube.com/user/drbilly100) get overit amiga is dead, 20,000 fanbase worldwide if that its a dead format, no software no new hardware. Keep living your pipe dream .face the facts mac and pc are here and amiga died a long long time ago
-my reply = Just show you how much you know. New hardware is on the way, Beta boards are starting to ship, AmigaOS4.1 is getting more updates, Open Office and Firefox are being ported, various other games and software title haven been ported or being worked on, we may be a small community but where a very active one. So the amiga is not dead, Get over it!
- drbilly100 (http://www.youtube.com/user/drbilly100) yeah yeah heard it all before in the last 17 years vapourware mate lol the company that are making the X1000 are a tiny british company and if u haven't noticed there is a double dip recssion soon to come in the uk right now they will go bust by next year guarantee. Amiga died in 1993/94 when commodore went brankrupt..its never coming back deal with it ..you have to grow up sometime you cant be a teenager forever.25,000 users is pretty laughable lol
-my reply =Why are so many people hostile to Amiga fans its just a hobby, I dont go around train spotter or other users groups saying it sad give it up, move on etc, this is my hobby, this is the machine I like to use and see be kept update even if it never makes a come back i dont care, these vids I just did for a bit of fun, the reason I still use an Amiga is because I still have fun on it, so tell why its such a problem that me and a few other people still have fun on an old computer.
There are tons more just like this inside the comment section about us Amiga users being mad, we need to grow up etc, I've just learned not to listen any more, I think anyone who tell you to give up your dream, hobby or love must be just jealous that you found something you enjoy and they haven't.
the vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQKT8QCzyMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PVUB4eElTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPqllS6ng2g
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Drbilly100 was very knowledgable for a random person... Sounds like someone who was burned by the Amiga wars of 2003...
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yup, a real mac or pc user doesnt even have a clue what an amiga is, or has an attachment to the system he/she is using, doesnt really care or get pissed by your vids. people like drbilly are ex-amigans who got burned in the past ...
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Now I enjoy a good debate/argument but my brother just emailed me to tell me that he and a number of his friends (their all PC users by the way) have been looking in on this site lately and they are all of the opinion now that our so called Amiga community is nothing more than a bunch of "sad retards who seem hell bent on destroying themselves from within"... :(
Don't know about you but I think they may have a point... or do they just not understand the Amiga Community as it is today... :)
@Franko's brother
"This is a local shop for local people. There's nothing for you here!"
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/games/wallpaper/images/league640.jpg)
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For me a community is a group that has common interests. I fit therefore I am.
What anyone gets out of something is what they put in.
“Sad and old?” I don't necessarily think the two go together just as “young and bitter” don’t. We are talking about a community that has in common a home computer system, yeah. Not a life or death political agenda.
I like Amiga Org cause its relaxed and fun. People still help each other. And Franko makes me laugh out loud.
In simple terms. "Don't sweat it, it's a freebie!"
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Never understood why people have a problem with "off topic" threads and chit chat, thought we were all here because we share a common interest? Who cares what we talk about. Remember, if you don't like what you see, don't read it. Simple :)
I completely agree. I think complaints of the form "there's too much discussion of " underlines a serious misunderstanding of what sites like amiga.org exist for.
This site is for the Amiga community. What makes a community? People. And oddly enough, people do not want to sit and talk about the same subject area day in and day out.
This site has a broad range of forums from highly Amiga-specific for discussing software, hardware, development, audio and video down through more general areas of discussion involving other systems, right through to the coffee house where any subject is catered for.
The fact that we seem to talk more about non-amiga stuff simply reflects the fact that not that much is happening in the Amiga world at large. Sure there are interesting developments and plenty of threads on each one.
Important note to the disenfranchised:
If anybody feels that the existing forums are too full of "useless" threads, they can create their own specialist mini-forums right here on the site and even be in charge (within limits) of what goes on within them and who is allowed to view and participate.
They are called social groups and can be found under the community section. So, stop complaining and create your own discussion group today! (http://www.amiga.org/forums/group.php?do=create) :)
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@ Cammy
First thing you need to do is get the crazy idea out of your head that no one likes you. That couldn't be further from the truth, so put that notion aside. Sure you can't expect to get on with everyone on a forum, it's just like the real world all sorts of people from all walks of life with different ideas and beliefs. I mean we don't speak to everyone we pass by in life and then think that person doesn't like me because they didn't stop to say hello.
In the short time I've been here I already know there are quite a number of members who don't like me for my style of posting and thats fine by me as I don't expect everyone to understand me or enjoy what I have to say, each to their own I say and I respect that.
I've only ever once really considered giving up the Amiga and that was way back around 88 when I used my old A500s to run a business and make a living from. At the start I thought it was great, I was being paid for something I enjoyed doing but after the first year it became all too serious meeting deadlines and working to meet clients expectations. It had no longer become fun and was just another job.
When I finally realized that I was taking things too seriously and the Amiga had no longer become a fun thing to use, then the best decision I ever made was to shut up shop and go back to using the Amiga for fun & pleasure. I have no regrets about doing so and if I hadn't I would most likely had gone over to the world of PCs which by that time were becoming the obvious way for a business to go.
I reckon what I am trying to say is, yes it's fine to take what you do on the Amiga seriously but don't let it get to the point where you take it so serious that it becomes a chore and is no longer a fun or enjoyable thing to do. Take it from me and my own personal experience, as big a fanatic as I am of the Amiga if I were to let things become too serious again then my days with the Amiga would be over.
So while we wait for someone to post the latest titbit of Amiga news or for fellow members to ask for help with an Amiga related problem, then as others here have said join in the fun & the off topic stuff and heck even the slight disagreements we have, as quite often these days their is not enough new Amiga subjects for us all to talk about each day.
We are a community and being such not everything we have to say has to be Amiga related there should also be time to idly chat about anything and everything but the most important thing is taking part, having fun and enjoying every aspect of what is the quite unique and wonderful world of that they call "The Amiga Community"... :)
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My current fascination with the Amiga community stems from the fact that it is the only M68K based system that is not only not dead, but is alive and continuing to see new developments in hardware and software.
Hmm I think people watching the Atari ST Coldfire project might disagree with you on that one....
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Well personally I do agree with what some people have said about fighting being more important than offering support to people trying to do amazing things [in their own small scale way]. I notice there are some members who never participate in anything positive, always post negative trolling comments. One of those members was even banned (but sadly unbanned too soon IMO) and it sours a great experience.
Some of you I know from various forums elsewhere and I find said people very friendly and helpful on those forums (and on here too obviously) but I can see where some of you are coming from.
Whether I am only interested in Commodore manufactured products from 85 to 94 or other things is neither here nor there, I won't question your ideology of what Amiga is and I expect you to respect my definition of what Amiga computing is/isn't to me personally.
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I believe the Amiga community all died in freak accidents involving getting on with their lives, that or a pile of Ubuntu boxes fell out of the sky and killed them all?
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I don't have a problem with people having off-topic threads, that's not what I intended to allude to. It's just because of so many of those threads that the less active Amiga-related topics get bumped out of the New Posts list or the front page and a lot of people miss out on them. Again, I'm not complaining, just trying to figure out why things seem to have gone downhill or slowing down lately.
I'm sorry if I take this Amiga stuff seriously, I don't have much else in my life. It's important to me, and I've wanted for years to make new software and games for Amiga systems. It's been my dream for so long, and holding onto that dream is the only thing that keeps me going.
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@ Cammy
Nothing wrong with having a dream... :)
But as I say join in the fun a bit more, it's quite simply a case of not enough new Amiga related topics going about just now to interest everyone. I get accused of living here these days but I'm quite happy with that, hence the reason for my silly polls and stuff it's just for the sake of chatting with folk who all have the same interest at heart and if there's nothing specifically Amiga to chat about why not throw in something silly and fun just to get folks chatting instead of just staring... :)
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..."sad retards..."
Ha! No problem.
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One of "our" problems is that there just is not much new (finished) that we can actually use.
There are still a good number of Amiga users in the area I live, who seem to go for a mix of the classic hardware and emulators. A few of these users, including me, still use the classic Amiga to get work done! We (I) use a mix of ImageFX, Lightwave, DPaint on the Amiga with Photoshop, PaintShop Pro etc. on Windows (or the Mac). While the posts don't reflect this right now, I think the same situation is more or less true throughout the entire community.
Although I use the classic hardware most, I have to admit to using an emulator at times. The emulator I use has to have a real Amiga OS installed to work (as well as a real classic Amiga ROM image) so it feels like a classic Amiga in many respects, just faster.
On this site, even though there is some discord at times, I find that if a problem arises, and a post for help is put up here, there is always plenty of help.
I think that this willingness to help other Amiga users is truly telling about the real condition of our community. Am I wrong? I don't believe so.
This has long been one the Amiga community's strong points.
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One thing I can sympathize with is that there is a lot of off-topic crap going on outside the coffee house. As it is now, CH is only a pale shadow of it's former self, and there's all kinds of crazy stuff going on in the main forum.
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Quick message to the Brother-In-Law & your cronies... :p
Hi Davie... :)
No reply to my email I sent you this morning, hope you and your PCs chums have read this thread, thats the difference bro we have fun and enjoy ourselves here and don't need to head of to your forums just to try and slag you miserable gits off. Are PC forums you visit really so boring that you have to spy on the Amiga forums to find something interesting... (http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Commodore%20Scotland%20Pics/SheepAvatar01.gif)
Ah well, see you on chrimbo day, don't forget to bring your boxing gloves this year... ;)
Cheers
Frank
(PS:I bet you'll still be wanting to muck around on me old miggies as usual, it's ok I won't tell your PC chums... :lol:)
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One thing I can sympathize with is that there is a lot of off-topic crap going on outside the coffee house. As it is now, CH is only a pale shadow of it's former self, and there's all kinds of crazy stuff going on in the main forum.
Coffee House doesn't show up on main page anymore so it no longer serves us hot topics. Any forum that doesn't show on the main page is basically dead to the causal visitor.
Mor often than not I'll quickly check the front page on my iPhone between meetings and see if anything grabs my fancy.
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One thing I can sympathize with is that there is a lot of off-topic crap going on outside the coffee house. As it is now, CH is only a pale shadow of it's former self, and there's all kinds of crazy stuff going on in the main forum.
I think that's partially because the CH topics don't show up on the front page any more. There were valid reasons for that change (SEO for one, I imagine), but it does seem to have made them a bit forgotten about.
There's a link on the front page to the "latest coffee house posts", but I guess it might be a bit nicer if the most recent top 10 coffee house threads appeared in their own block under the "Recent Threads" section.
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Coffee House doesn't show up on main page anymore so it no longer serves us hot topics. Any forum that doesn't show on the main page is basically dead to the causal visitor.
Mor often than not I'll quickly check the front page on my iPhone between meetings and see if anything grabs my fancy.
Humorously (not the fake BS word "funnily" you ill-bret brits!), the Coffee House forums -- also known as the "DMZ" were created way back when because of people bitching and whining about off-topic posts on the forums.
So, it's a case of can't win. Those who want the CH forums don't use them, and those who don't use them bitch about off-topic posts.
The major problem I think -- now as an outsider -- is that everyone takes themselves too damned seriously for what is -- in no uncertain terms -- a hobby for what is now widely considered a "toy computer".
If everyone would just chill out and relax, we'd all have a much better time of it.
Wayne
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One thing I can sympathize with is that there is a lot of off-topic crap going on outside the coffee house. As it is now, CH is only a pale shadow of it's former self, and there's all kinds of crazy stuff going on in the main forum.
Another wahoo with no sense of humor, I'll gladly send you some of me happy pills but I don't think they'd help you... :)
The Coffee House is one of the best places on Amiga.org unless you dead or something... :)
Chill out and join in the off-topic crap, you must have some sense of humor somewhere or you wouldn't have joined in the silly avatar fad that's suddenly appeared... :)
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Another wahoo with no sense of humor, I'll gladly send you some of me happy pills but I don't think they'd help you... :)
The Coffee House is one of the best places on Amiga.org unless you dead or something... :)
Chill out and join in the off-topic crap, you must have some sense of humor somewhere or you wouldn't have joined in the silly avatar fad that's suddenly appeared... :)
Being relatively new here, you can get away with scurrilous remarks like that with a plea to ignorance. At least once.
Be under no illusion, Whabang is a long-time amiga.org character with a well-established sense of humour :)
Ein... Zwei... Drei... Knäckebröd!
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Being relatively new here, you can get away with scurrilous remarks like that with a plea to ignorance. At least once.
Be under no illusion, Whabang is a long-time amiga.org character with a well-established sense of humour :)
Ein... Zwei... Drei... Knäckebröd!
New or not the old boys club don't scare me matey... :lol:
There are quite a few old farts here who need a sense of humor transplant... ;)
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New or not the old boys club don't scare me matey... :lol:
There are quite a few old farts here who need a sense of humor transplant... ;)
So prood! So cock-sure, prancing aboot with your heed full of eyeballs! :lol:
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So prood! So cock-sure, prancing aboot with your heed full of eyeballs! :lol:
Care to step outside and say that... :smack:
(cos if you do I won't hear it, I'll be safely inside hiding behind the sofa... :D)
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We need to ban the bugger before he gets to the first page of the AO rankings! ;)
You should have been here in the old days, Franko. The political and religious flamewars were epic, and would put forums like Something awful to shame!
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We need to ban the bugger before he gets to the first page of the AO rankings! ;)
You should have been here in the old days, Franko. The political and religious flamewars were epic, and would put forums like Something awful to shame!
Reckon these should be given out to all members new & old, might put some life back into things... :)
(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Funny/viagra_lead_narrowweb__300x3880.jpg)
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We need to ban the bugger before he gets to the first page of the AO rankings! ;)
You should have been here in the old days, Franko. The political and religious flamewars were epic, and would put forums like Something awful to shame!
True, prisoners were most assuredly not taken :uzi::destroy:
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Damn... :(
Wish I had one of these and could go back to the good old days I seem to have missed here... :)
(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Funny/back-to-the-future.jpg)
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Noise
Wat? Happy pills? Back in 2004 we raged about rigged U.S. elections, bashed the socialist dictatorship in Europe, started religious flame-wars that made the second crusade look like a slight misunderstanding, AND WE DIDN'T NEED NO FRIGGIN' HAPPY PILLS! :madashell:
Edit: The forum is still there, just browse the archives. ;)
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Edit: The forum is still there, just browse the archives. ;)
Last time I did that I ended up in soapy bubbles... :(
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Last time I did that I ended up in soapy bubbles... :(
I dunno, everything went better than expected :)
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I dunno, everything went better than expected :)
True, but at the time I thought my membership here was about to be as short as my time at Oxford... :)
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Another fabulous necro?
Also, just browsed a bit and found the thread where ima started a rant about lesbians and then got derailed into a discussion about male genitals :lol:
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True, but at the time I thought my membership here was about to be as short as my time at Oxford... :)
Can't have been much shorter than my time there ;)
If you are looking for an example of a heated CH exchange of yesteryear, http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30675
Try not to necromance it.
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Another fabulous necro?
Also, just browsed a bit and found the thread where ima started a rant about lesbians and then got derailed into a discussion about male genitals :lol:
LOL, I think I remember that one. He was a weird bloke and no mistake.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26468 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26468)
:lol: Some of that was gold!
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I'm sorry if I take this Amiga stuff seriously, I don't have much else in my life. It's important to me, and I've wanted for years to make new software and games for Amiga systems. It's been my dream for so long, and holding onto that dream is the only thing that keeps me going.
I don't think anyone is concerned about you being serious about the Amiga, we're only concerned that you might be taking it _too_ seriously. There's a fine line between those two positions, but you have to put it all into perspective: what the Amiga once was, what it is now, and what it could be again (against all odds) some day.
Just some thoughts...
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Can't have been much shorter than my time there ;)
If you are looking for an example of a heated CH exchange of yesteryear, http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=30675
Try not to necromance it.
Whoah... too heavy for me that one, best left in the vaults for the historians to ponder... :)
(PS:After a 14 hour drive my time at Oxford was just under 45 minutes... :))
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Whoah... too heavy for me that one, best left in the vaults for the historians to ponder... :)
That's far from being the hottest potato in there.
(PS:After a 14 hour drive my time at Oxford was just under 45 minutes... :))
Ah, well my tenure was slightly longer. Just not long enough to complete my degree there :lol:
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http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26468 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26468)
:lol: Some of that was gold!
I miss PMC :(
And yes, this was pretty tame compared to some of the stuff of that era. :D
Fun times.
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I miss PMC :(
Yeah, whatever happened to that guy?
And yes, this was pretty tame compared to some of the stuff of that era. :D
Fun times.
Still, one for entering into the order of the sock scrolls...
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Ah, well my tenure was slightly longer. Just not long enough to complete my degree there :lol:
Tunure !!! Degree !!! I think there's been a slight misunderstanding here... :o
When I say I went to Oxford, I only meant that I went there to deliver some computer equipment when I worked for Ferranti, Me and old Reg the van driver had to deliver some crates of gawd knows what as we weren't allowed to open them and anywhere we went with such consignments we were always escorted my two MPs (Military Police).
Anyway back then I was into Ska (The Specials & Madness etc...) and used to wear these big Doc Martins and bleached denims & braces and of course the obligatory skinhead.
Trouble was when we were guided to the entrance of the old building where the stuff was to be delivered these two old Professor types came out one dressed in a white lab coat and the other in what looked like a batman cloak, they stared at me and I stared at them then one of them went over to the MPs and said something.
One of the MPs came over to me and told me to get back in the van and he would help old Reg move the crates inside. Never found out what was actually said, but that was my time at Oxford, short but memorable...
(It was a ruddy 14 hour drive there and nearly 20 coming back cos old Reg kept nodding off...:) )
(PS: I did get an A+ in my O'level Woodwork though... hence the reason I became a brickie... :))
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Tunure !!! Degree !!! I think there's been a slight misunderstanding here... :o
Clearly :)
When I say I went to Oxford, I only meant that I went there to deliver some computer equipment when I worked for Ferranti, Me and old Reg the van driver had to deliver some crates of gawd knows what as we weren't allowed to open them and anywhere we went with such consignments we were always escorted my two MPs (Military Police).
Anyway back then I was into Ska (The Specials & Madness etc...) and used to wear these big Doc Martins and bleached denims & braces and of course the obligatory skinhead.
My brother was like the biggest Madness fan ever back in the 80's. I rather like them myself.
Trouble was when we were guided to the entrance of the old building where the stuff was to be delivered these two old Professor types came out one dressed in a white lab coat and the other in what looked like a batman cloak, they stared at me and I stared at them then one of them went over to the MPs and said something.
Probably a don. You know, mafia...
One of the MPs came over to me and told me to get back in the van and he would help old Reg move the crates inside. Never found out what was actually said, but that was my time at Oxford, short but memorable...
(It was a ruddy 14 hour drive there and nearly 20 coming back cos old Reg kept nodding off...:) )
It's a nice place to visit, but was sort of surreal living there. It was only for a year though. 1993, same year I got my A1200 :)
(PS: I did get an A+ in my O'level Woodwork though... hence the reason I became a brickie... :))
:lol:
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Humorously (not the fake BS word "funnily" you ill-bret brits!), the Coffee House forums -- also known as the "DMZ" were created way back when because of people bitching and whining about off-topic posts on the forums.
So, it's a case of can't win. Those who want the CH forums don't use them, and those who don't use them bitch about off-topic posts.
The major problem I think -- now as an outsider -- is that everyone takes themselves too damned seriously for what is -- in no uncertain terms -- a hobby for what is now widely considered a "toy computer".
If everyone would just chill out and relax, we'd all have a much better time of it.
Wayne
:)
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There can be a lot of negativity and flaming here, but personally I have received a lot of good help and advice here on getting back into the Amiga again.
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There can be a lot of negativity and flaming here, but personally I have received a lot of good help and advice here on getting back into the Amiga again.
Care to provide an example of said flaming? Geez, we can't even have a frank (no pun intended) discussion anymore without being accused of flaming :rolleyes:
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@adz
I am not accusing anyone of flaming. I am saying that whilst has happened may be the case threads, my own experience of posing questions etc. has been met fairly positive and helpful replies.
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@adz
I am not accusing anyone of flaming. I am saying that whilst has happened may be the case threads, my own experience of posing questions etc. has been met fairly positive and helpful replies.
Good catch :D
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Good catch :D
Bleh :razz:
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Moderators making off topic and joking on many threads... i cant believe!!
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Moderators making off topic and joking on many threads... i cant believe!!
Well, believe it. Besides, I wasn't a moderator then so nerr!
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Then, this is one of the errors of this forum.
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We need 50cc of lulz STAT!
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We need 50cc of lulz STAT!
I think we're losing him...
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I think we're losing him...
Pass the defibrillator...
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Pass the defibrillator...
Dammit Jim! I'm a... well.. ummm. innocent bystander, not a doctor!
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Pass the defibrillator...
Charge, 200 Jollies...
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You guys know what this forum really needs?
More Cowbell!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Dammit Jim! I'm a... well.. ummm. innocent bystander, not a doctor!
:roflmao:
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Ban me or whatever but the last 5 post are ridiculous.
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I'll need a golf cart motor, with 1000 volt capicitator...
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Ban me or whatever but the last 5 post are ridiculous.
Why would they ban you for being rediculous?
(honestly, why would you care? If you can't have fun with your hobby, why not find a fun hobby instead?)
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Ban me or whatever but the last 5 post are ridiculous.
Ban you for what, exactly? Look, it isn't your fault that you don't share our odd sense of humour.
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Dammit...we lost him...
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Dammit...we lost him...
You can't save them all, doc. You did your best, nobody can say otherwise, his humour was just bleeding out all over the floor as fast as you could pump it in.
Ok, record the time of death...2:05am GMT...
Right, drink? :drink:
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Moderators making off topic and joking on many threads... i cant believe!!
Yeah...You mods should be ashamed of yourself...How dare you attempt to extort humour from a humourless community...
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Ban you for what, exactly? Look, it isn't your fault that you don't share our odd sense of humour.
WaaaLaaa. Bingo.. That's what happened to "the real" Amiga community (just so's we're on topic). Somewhere along the line, we lost our sense of humor and it stopped being fun.
Somewhere along the line, about 2005 or so, it started being about red versus blue, this versus that, spy versus spy. Versus, versus, versus.
I'm not suggesting that we sink things to Moobunny level of banality, but for God's sake, learn to laugh again people. THEN we can get back to enjoying our odd-duck, lame-ass hobby again..
Sheesh..
Wayne
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Wayne for prez!
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Why would they ban you for being rediculous?
(honestly, why would you care? If you can't have fun with your hobby, why not find a fun hobby instead?)
Huh... That is fun with your hobby?
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Dammit...we lost him...
Umm.. found him. He's over here.
We didn't know. We just thought he was the strange smell coming from the basement.
Cowbell!
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When I get high
I get high on speed
Top fuel funny car's
A drug for me
My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart
Always got the cops
Coming after me
Custom built bike
Doing 103
My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart
Ooh, are you ready girls?
Ooh, are you ready now?
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Give it a start
Ooh, yeah, baby
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Hope it never stops
Ooh, yeah, baby
Skydive naked
From an aeroplane
Or a lady with a
Body from outerspace
My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart
Say I got trouble
Trouble in my eyes
I'm just looking for
Another good time
My heart, my heart
Kickstart my heart
Yeah, are you ready girls?
Yeah, are you ready now?
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Give it a start
Ooh, yeah, baby
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Hope it never stops
Ooh, yeah, baby
Kickstart my heart
When we started this band
All we needed, needed was a laugh
Years gone by
I'd say we've kicked some ass
When I'm enraged
Or hittin' the stage
Adrenaline rushing
Through my veins
And I'd say we're still kickin' ass
Ooo, ahh
Kickstart my heart
Hope it never stops
And to think, we did it all of this to rock
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Give it a start
Ooh, yeah, baby
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Hope it never stops
Ooh, yeah, baby
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Hope it never stops
Ooh, yeah, baby
Ooh, yeah
Kickstart my heart
Give it a start
Ooh, yeah
Pun intended!
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Huh... That is fun with you hobby?
It's called having a laugh with your like-minded amiga friends online. As long as no rules are broken, what's the big deal?
This subject is about the community and what happened to it. Well, for those of us that rode out the all the stupid fighting and bickering, one thing we have in common is not to take things too seriously.
Wait a minute. I thought you bled out...
OMG!
ZOMBIE!
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Then, this is one of the errors of this forum.
Candidate for Rainman Post of the year methinks.
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Candidate for Rainman Post of the year methinks.
:roflmao:
Nomination supported.
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You guys know what this forum really needs?
More Cowbell!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:roflmao:
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You'll be happy when noone eats our brains
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Huh... That is fun with your hobby?
Are you local?
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Yeah...You mods should be ashamed of yourself...How dare you attempt to extort humour from a humourless community...
Problem?
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problem?
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/ffffuuuu.jpg)
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(http://extropia.co.uk/img/ffffuuuu.jpg)
Lol ninjar edits ;)
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Lol ninjar edits ;)
It's what I do :lol:
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It just hit me. The problem is that pot is too damned expensive these days!! And, booze makes everyone nasty.
It's time for everyone to join NORML!
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It just hit me.
Give it a few minutes and an ambulance chasing lawyer will be here to help you make your claim :D
It's time for everyone to join NORML!
Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. :)
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Just finished up watching a few seasons of "The IT Crowd!" OMG!!!
That is hysterical!!!!!!
"Erm.... Leg disabled!" :roflmao:
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"Erm.... Leg disabled!" :roflmao:
Moss ends up behind the bar as Roy is driven back to Manchester, faking paralysis. Man that episode was hilarious!
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Moss ends up behind the bar as Roy is driven back to Manchester, faking paralysis. Man that episode was hilarious!
It's the wife's favourite! :)
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Problem?
Idea!
Let's ban all the moderators and site owners until such time as they learn to behave with the church-like demeanor DEMANDED by such a life-or-deathly subject as our own personal Jesus. The one, the only, the omnipotent, ever-conquering, be-all, end-all, mil-spec Commodore Amiga computer.
Yeah, that'll fix everything. :)
Wayne
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Idea!
Let's ban all the moderators and site owners until such time as they learn to behave with the church-like demeanor DEMANDED by such a life-or-deathly subject as our own personal Jesus. The one, the only, the omnipotent, ever-conquering, be-all, end-all, mil-spec Commodore Amiga computer.
Yeah, that'll fix everything. :)
Man, when I grow up, I want to be able to put that much snark into a reply :roflmao:
Cheers Wayne for that, I'm still chuckling 5 minutes after reading it :D
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Idea!
Let's ban all the moderators and site owners until such time as they learn to behave with the church-like demeanor DEMANDED by such a life-or-deathly subject as our own personal Jesus. The one, the only, the omnipotent, ever-conquering, be-all, end-all, mil-spec Commodore Amiga computer.
Yeah, that'll fix everything. :)
Wayne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UtlU4EsfuU&sns=em
Like I would let that reference pass!!!! :-p
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Latest Church Of Amiga Notice...
A Memorial service is to be held on Sunday the 18th Of December at 10:00 am in the Coffee House in remembrance of Kickstarts humour which suddenly & sadly passed away at 2:05am on Friday 17th of December 2010.
The A.org Wee Free Church Choir Gospel Singers will be singing a few jaunty little hymns such as 'O Praise the Org, For It Is good' & the evergreen 'O Lamb of Gawd, Who Tastes Divine' (especially with mint sauce).
A collection shall held in order to help fund the new rehabilitation wing that is to be added to the Coffee House in order to help those who have lost their sunny disposition. In honour of the dear departeds sense of humour the new forum is to be called "The Kickstart Home For The Terminally Bewildered", please give generously...
Tea & biccies will be served in the hall straight after, stronger stuff can be found in the usual place just behind the pew next to the vicars secret stash of holy wine. Multi coloured and spinning bow ties are optional.
In Memoriam ...
Kickstarts humour has faded away,
It's up for sale on Amibay,
You can place a bid if you dare,
but just remember it's only vaporware...
Kickstarts Humour Aug 2006 to Dec 2010 R.I.P.
(gone but not forgotten...:))
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Latest Church Of Amiga Notice...
A Memorial service is to be held on Sunday the 18th Of December at 10:00 am in the Coffee House in remembrance of Kickstarts humour which suddenly & sadly passed away at 2:05am on Friday 17th of December 2010.
The A.org Wee Free Church Choir Gospel Singers will be singing a few jaunty little hymns such as 'O Praise the Org, For It Is good' & the evergreen 'O Lamb of Gawd, Who Tastes Divine' (especially with mint sauce).
A collection shall held in order to help fund the new rehabilitation wing that is to be added to the Coffee House in order to help those who have lost their sunny disposition. In honour of the dear departeds sense of humour the new forum is to be called "The Kickstart Home For The Terminally Bewildered", please give generously...
Tea & biccies will be served in the hall straight after, stronger stuff can be found in the usual place just behind the pew next to the vicars secret stash of holy wine. Multi coloured and spinning bow ties are optional.
In Memoriam ...
Kickstarts humour has faded away,
It's up for sale on Amibay,
You can place a bid if you dare,
but just remember it's only vaporware...
Kickstarts Humour Aug 2006 to Dec 2010 R.I.P.
(gone but not forgotten...:))
Hahahahaahah! :lol:
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:lol:
Must've been the winter blues.
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:lol:
Must've been the winter blues.
Shouldn't you be banned?
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Shouldn't you be banned?
Problem?
That would fall within the purview of your conundrums of forum politics :)
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Problem?
That would fall within the purview of your conundrums of forum politics :)
Politics? Politics be damned! I want you hit with the ban hammer for having a sense of humour!
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Politics? Politics be damned! I want you hit with the ban hammer for having a sense of humour!
Watch you don't hit your thumb with it, then...
Until I break the rules, you got nuttin. You can't arbitrarily ban a law abiding engineer. Not if you know what's good for you :)
[youtube]HjGrHBpfqCo[/youtube]
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Watch you don't hit your thumb with it, then...
Until I break the rules, you got nuttin. You can't arbitrarily ban a law abiding engineer. Not if you know what's good for you :)
Goddamn right!
(Must renew my IMechE subscription at some point...)
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Watch you don't hit your thumb with it, then...
Until I break the rules, you got nuttin. You can't arbitrarily ban a law abiding engineer. Not if you know what's good for you :)
BOOM! Headshot!
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BOOM! Headshot!
:lol: I asked for that...
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:lol: I asked for that...
Never mess with a sniper :lol:
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Never mess with a sniper :lol:
Haven't you got any feelings?
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Man, when I grow up, I want to be able to put that much snark into a reply :roflmao:
Cheers Wayne for that, I'm still chuckling 5 minutes after reading it :D
Snark. Snark, snark, snark. SNARK!!
This was a test of the emergency snark system. Should this have been an actual snark, you would have been informed how to respond to the snarking emergency. We now return you to your previously scheduled thread.
:laughing:
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Goddamn right!
OOhhh.. Language sweetheart. We don't need to go completely apeshit at this point... :)
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Snark. Snark, snark, snark. SNARK!!
This was a test of the emergency snark system. Should this have been an actual snark, you would have been informed how to respond to the snarking emergency. We now return you to your previously scheduled thread.
:laughing:
Snark me! What the snark? No snarking way, man?
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Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community?
To answer the original question, What do you mean what happened. Nothing happened? This is it. This right here is the Amiga community.
It doesn't get any more real than this. :D
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Haven't you got any feelings?
Feelings? I'll tell you what's got a lot of feelings...blokes what bludgeon their wives to death with a golf trophy's got feelings. Professionals have standards...
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the other retro computer boards I am on, there is much more positive attitudes and helpfulness on them versus the Amiga sites. Seems like other retro folks I meet on other sites enjoy a common bond of using their machines.
The problem is that the Amiga platform is the only "retro" platform that hasn't (in terms of its users) fully come to terms with its death yet. Some of us still believe... or if not believe then fantasise... that the Amiga could come back. This is because there was so much potential for the Amiga brand, even after Commodore's death. Unfortunately the potential was squandered. But a lot of us are still waiting or dreaming of the Amiga's rise from the ashes. We've had a lot of promises along the way that have kept the fire of hope going.
Contrast that to the other retro platforms, for whom there was never any real hope of a platform revival. They've come to terms with the death of their favourite platform, so now they just enjoy it for what it is. The Amiga platform is infected with infighting because everyone wants to see it succeed, but nobody can agree on the direction and we've had poor leadership.
I know you're a big Apple fan. I can see why a lot of people would choose to be Apple fans these days, but if you want my opinion... the Amiga was better than the Apple Mac. It should have been our platform competing with and beating Microsoft. But yours had good leadership, investment in development and excellent marketing. Ours had poor leadership, minimal investment and crap marketing.
That's why there's a difference in attitude between other retro computing forums and ours :(
AH.
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The problem is that the Amiga platform is the only "retro" platform that hasn't (in terms of its users) fully come to terms with its death yet. Some of us still believe... or if not believe then fantasise... that the Amiga could come back. This is because there was so much potential for the Amiga brand, even after Commodore's death. Unfortunately the potential was squandered. But a lot of us are still waiting or dreaming of the Amiga's rise from the ashes. We've had a lot of promises along the way that have kept the fire of hope going.
That's why there's a difference in attitude between other retro computing forums and ours :(.
I think people spend too much time arguing whether the Amiga is dead or not. IMHO if people still enjoy using it then that is justification enough for the Amiga community to continue. We should be working on improving the Amiga experience rather than reiterating tired debate.
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The problem is that the Amiga platform is the only "retro" platform that hasn't (in terms of its users) fully come to terms with its death yet. Some of us still believe... or if not believe then fantasise... that the Amiga could come back.
Nor does it help any that McEwen Inc, others and now Commodore USA continue to want to milk those fantasies...
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the Amiga was better than the Apple Mac.
The Amiga is sure alot more fun to fiddle with than Mac, though I'm not sure that's a good thing from a standard end-user point of view. I've yet to toss an Amiga into a dumpster, can't say the same for old Macs.
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Its NOT dead! Damn, I don't want any of you guys near me if I get sick. you'll be tossing dirt on my face while I'm still breathing.
Hell, its not even coughing up blood!
There's three NG OS' based on AmigaOS.
New hardware and software is being released.
The only thing that's dead is Commodore.
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Bring out your dead!!!
Well...I'm not quite dead yet. In fact, I'm feeling better.....I think I'll go for a little walk.
[/B]
desiv
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I would like to point out that none of the original 80's platforms (Amiga, Mac, Atari, Archimedies, Winows etc) survived.
Most died slow protracted deaths... Windows was replaced with Win95 and later WinNT... Mac was replaced with NextStep. It was only clever marketing that maintained the illusion of continuity with these platforms.
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Its NOT dead! Damn, I don't want any of you guys near me if I get sick. you'll be tossing dirt on my face while I'm still breathing.
Hell, its not even coughing up blood!
There's three NG OS' based on AmigaOS.
New hardware and software is being released.
The only thing that's dead is Commodore.
I hate to burst your bubble, and I know we're talking potato, potato here, but any computer (or other system) without any hope whatsoever of a real commercial future is, in fact, dead. Whether or not a machine is commercially viable is THE established means of determining whether or not a project is "alive" or "dead". Any machine that sells to an extremely limited handful of hobbyists at extremely inflated prices for antiquated hardware (c'mon... The PPC is even dead-ended!) does not make it commercially viable.
Extremely similar examples;
- The Sony Dreamcast. Dead.
- Original X-Box. Dead.
- Coleco Adam. Dead.
- Atari 400/800 platform. Dead.
- 3DO. Dead.
- The PPC. Dead.
- .. the list is endless.
Yes, the 25 year old device you play with daily may be functioning. Yes. You may be having fun with it. Yes. Hobbyists may be working to try and save the future with new hardware (note, even Hyperion are hobbyists), but the platform is, in fact, commercially and in 99% of all other respects, dead.
(It's also a "toy computer" if you want to go down that road.. :) )
There are a few which are still on life support, the C-64 for example and you may want to extend that same type status to the Amiga but the differences are that the 64 has current, LARGE, vibrant (non-bitchy) community and userbase willing to spend money on it, along with the fact that it has currently marketed devices like the "64 on a stick" that are accepted (and being purchased) by the public at large as opposed to just a handful of hobbyists with more money than sense.
Commercially speaking however, they're all dead.
That being said, before you get upset, you need to understand and accept that neither the death of the Commodore Amiga platform, or the fact that it is now relegated to "toy" -- aka hobby -- status make it any LESS fun to tinker with, but we shouldn't be delusional about the facts.
Narf!
Wayne
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I hate to burst your bubble, and I know we're talking potato, potato here
Funny story... I read this as "potato, potato" not "potato, potato" or "potato, potato" or even "potato, potato" :-D
Narf!
Wayne
"Same thing we do every night, Pinky... Try to take over the World!"
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We're simply on vacation. Good to take a break occasionally and come back refreshed.
Otherwise wait till there is some new hardware. Otherwise it is only part time/casual for everyone, there is no-one doing it full time so things run slow.
By the time we catch up to the PC (drivers/CPU grunt etc.) the PC will just be a throw away word processor and people will have an assortment of devices they use to need the PC for. A future Amiga is already retro.
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It's also a "toy computer" if you want to go down that road.. :)
Phew, thought I was the only one...
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Funny story... I read this as "potato, potato" not "potato, potato" or "potato, potato" or even "potato, potato" :-D
This? (http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Potato/)
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@ Karlos
That site is almost like peering inside my mind, kinda comforting in a strange sort of way with balloons tied on & yellow flavoured shoe's dancing on a hot summers day on the dark side of the moon... if you know what I mean... :)
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@ Karlos
That site is almost like peering inside my mind, kinda comforting in a strange sort of way with balloons tied on & yellow flavoured shoe's dancing on a hot summers day on the dark side of the moon... if you know what I mean... :)
Damn Franko.
I'm not sure anyone gets that (without improper medication).
And the C64 isn't dead, but the Amiga is? As Franko might say, BULLOCKS. The C64 definately qualifies as a toy computer. When I see people porting web browsers and audio/video editing tools to it, then I'll change my mind on that one. But the C64 is little more than an NES with a keyboard.
Amiga is NOT dead and if its not alive, then it must be undead. That's it!
Amiga the undead computer has risen!
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The delusional here truly scare me. Unless -- I'm hoping -- it's just some sort of dusty brit humor...
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The problem with this community is that the Amiga has never been allowed to die. The patient is in the hospital on her death bed. The problem is there are multiple doctors all with different agendas trying different things to "save" the patient. They all help her eek out another years existence but they never really cure her. Nor can they cure her.
We are the family members all hoping for a cure. Problem is we all listen to different doctors and start bickering.
Let her die already.
We would all be better off if everything Amiga related burned in a fire the day Commodore closed. At this point we would be a happy retro community talking about our latest hack instead of a bunch of bitter old coots engaging in endless slap fights.
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@ Iggy
Me meds are are legit prescribed stuff, the various combinations they've been trying me on for nearly thirteen years now have had no effect on me or my alien implant , I still think & see things the same way I did before I started on them... :)
@ Wayne
How can the father of Amiga.org say that the Amiga is dead or even just a toy, that's like telling all the little kiddies that Santa or the easter bunny doesn't exist, they do and they live in my basement, so therefore the Amiga is alive and well and far from being a toy it's still the most advanced computer in my house... :)
@ -BobW-
Why let the greatest computer ever created die, it's a bit like the royal family, they go one forever and get the best care and attention just like the miggie does, all good things come to those who wait and the magic 30 year waiting period is only 5 more years away and that's when us true believers will finally be rewarded for keeping the faith... :`)
A message to all who say the Amiga is dead... :madashell:
Are you lot in the habit of playing around with dead things, there's a name for that you know... cos thats really weird and scary... :eek:
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@ Iggy
Me meds are are legit prescribed stuff, the various combinations they've been trying me on for nearly thirteen years now have had no effect on me or my alien implant , I still think & see things the same way I did before I started on them... :)
@ Wayne
How can the father of Amiga.org say that the Amiga is dead or even just a toy, that's like telling all the little kiddies that Santa or the easter bunny doesn't exist, they do and they live in my basement, so therefore the Amiga is alive and well and far from being a toy it's still the most advanced computer in my house... :)
@ -BobW-
Why let the greatest computer ever created die, it's a bit like the royal family, they go one forever and get the best care and attention just like the miggie does, all good things come to those who wait and the magic 30 year waiting period is only 5 more years away and that's when us true believers will finally be rewarded for keeping the faith... :`)
A message to all who say the Amiga is dead... :madashell:
Are you lot in the habit of playing around with dead things, there's a name for that you know... cos thats really weird and scary... :eek:
Santa and the Easter Bunny aren't real? No....
Children shouldn't play with dead things.
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BULLOCKS.
(http://www.nndb.com/people/456/000027375/jim-j-bullock.jpg)
(http://www.topnews.in/files/sandra-bullock.jpg)
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Or was that bollocks?
Hey Sandra! Show us your tits!
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Damn Franko.
I'm not sure anyone gets that (without improper medication).
And the C64 isn't dead, but the Amiga is? As Franko might say, BULLOCKS. The C64 definately qualifies as a toy computer. When I see people porting web browsers and audio/video editing tools to it, then I'll change my mind on that one. But the C64 is little more than an NES with a keyboard.
Amiga is NOT dead and if its not alive, then it must be undead. That's it!
Amiga the undead computer has risen!
iggy,iggy,iggy.. The c64 does have web browser and irc clients,tcp/ip ethernet carts,and all sorts of goodies.you might wanna research a bit before sticking the old foot in the mouth lol..I am part of the amiga isn't dead crowd,but i don't expect it to rule the world,it is what it is. I don't see why it matters if some think its dead or not,it doesn't affect anything as tomorrow the situation is the same. i will still use my decked out 4000 and motor happily along.Sadly most people assumne since it does'nt run 3ghz and have 2,4,8+ cores,and run windows,its of no use.arguing with these guys is pointless.
use your amiga how you like and enjoy it.
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I think people spend too much time arguing whether the Amiga is dead or not. IMHO if people still enjoy using it then that is justification enough for the Amiga community to continue. We should be working on improving the Amiga experience rather than reiterating tired debate.
The debate is truly stupid and useless. It only serves to lessen the value of this place.
Either use an Amiga for what ever purpose you think it is useful for, or don't.
Either work toward adding something to make the experience of using an Amiga more fun, interesting, or useful, or don't.
Hang around Amiga forum sites like this because you are interested in what is happening and want to know about the little Amiga news, or discuss related topics with other people interested in the Amiga, or don't.
What I don't understand, and what has become very tiresome, is reading the repetitive negative comments from people that continually try to convince the people that are still interested in using an Amiga for what ever reason, that they are wasting their time. (not related directly to the last several comments in this thread, just general comment about content here).
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The Commodore Amiga is dead.
It is as dead as OS/2, sure people may program for it and it may be useful for many things, but it is dead.
Aros, OS4, Pegasos, and others on the other hand are definitely not dead.
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The Commodore Amiga is dead.
It is as dead as OS/2, sure people may program for it and it may be useful for many things, but it is dead.
Aros, OS4, Pegasos, and others on the other hand are definitely not dead.
Amiga OS4? Aros (where the A stands for Amiga)? The Pegasos, designed for MorphOS (which is design to supercede AmigaOS)?
Sure the Commodore Amiga is dead (unless you want to count CUSA's proposed products), but the Amiga as a viable platform is still moving forward (even if we're not calling it Amiga).
And I appologize for the slight of the C64 (even though its hardware IS remarkably similar to an NES).
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The Commodore Amiga is dead.
It is as dead as OS/2, sure people may program for it and it may be useful for many things, but it is dead.
Aros, OS4, Pegasos, and others on the other hand are definitely not dead.
Huh? The Amiga is not dead. Just ask Jens and everyone else still producing relevant and modern hardware for it. The Amiga community certainly isn't dead either. Until there are no longer any sites like this devoted to the Amiga and nobody is talking about or producing any hardware or any software at all, then I'd say the machine and its "spirit" would be dead. But that's not going to happen any time soon. I view the original legacy Amiga gear and these spinoffs as something of a family. Original Amiga computers being the "father or grandfathers", with Aros, Pegasos, MorphOS, A1K, etc. as the children and grandchildren :)
If your definition of 'dead' reads: "nobody is currently producing actual legacy systems", then yeah - that's obvious. But surely the Amiga is just as or more "alive" than any other vintage or classic computing platform that I'm aware of.
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I hate to burst your bubble, and I know we're talking potato, potato here, but any computer (or other system) without any hope whatsoever of a real commercial future is, in fact, dead.
Well, according to these standards Linux and opensource generally died some 3-5 yrs ago :rtfm:
Yet both they and Amiga seems well alive and breathing from my point of view.
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Well, according to these standards Linux and opensource generally died some 3-5 yrs ago :rtfm: .
No sir. Sorry.
"Linux and open source" by it's very definition are non-commercial products, meaning they have NEVER been developed or intended for making a profit. The Amiga -- dead as it is -- was created as a commercial venture and failed, last in 1994.
I sense much denial in you young padawan.. :)
Wayne
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No sir. Sorry.
"Linux and open source" by it's very definition are non-commercial products, meaning they have NEVER been developed or intended for making a profit. The Amiga -- dead as it is -- was created as a commercial venture and failed, last in 1994.
I sense much denial in you young padawan.. :)
Wayne
Well, I think Intel, IBM, Red Hat, HP and Google disagree. Its just that the profit comes in a round about way.
As far as amiga being dead... I ordered a brand new accelerator card, and there's stuff like minimig. Maybe its undead?
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Well, I think Intel, IBM, Red Hat, HP and Google disagree. Its just that the profit comes in a round about way.
As far as amiga being dead... I ordered a brand new accelerator card, and there's stuff like minimig. Maybe its undead?
Maybe its a Living Dead computer.
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As far as amiga being dead... I ordered a brand new accelerator card, and there's stuff like minimig. Maybe its undead?
Tell you what. Here's a test...
- If you can walk into ANY PLACE *except* an Amiga-related meeting or a computer store and ask 25 people "what is an Amiga?"
- AND get a 2/3 majority correct answer without prompting them in any way
- THEN ask the right answers where you can buy one and you don't get a "I don't think they make them any more" answer from 1/2 of them,
THEN I'll agree that the Amiga as a platform isn't dead.
... but we're talking about two different things here. Logistics versus emotion.
I don't care about it whatsoever, so for me, I'm strictly saying "dead" in a "commercial, I can't go into a real store anywhere on the planet and buy a NEW (not NOS) one" sense.
I'm talking logistics. You're talking emotions. Two different things.
Sorry. I don't want to offend anyone with my opinion.
If hanging out banging away on a 25-year-old machine is your thing, I'm VERY cool with that. I just don't share that hobby any more so I can't agree with you on this point.
Personally, I find dicking around with old computers to be extremely frustrating, which is one reason I both sold the site, and -- way before that -- bought a Mac. Even though I owned the site from 1994 through 2009, I think I sold my last owned Amiga 3000 UX in.. hmmm.. 1997?
That being said, I digress. I've ruined this perfectly off-topic thread by re-assuming the seriousness I wanted to so desperately shed off.
Let's put down our respective weapons and have a toast to what once was, and to everyone's health and happiness. I think that we can all agree on that, and this is -- after all -- the holiday season.
Merry Christmas, which I say not to offend anyone, but because it's apparently now not-politically-correct to say any more.
Wayne
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Tell you what. Here's a test...
- If you can walk into ANY PLACE *except* an Amiga-related meeting or a computer store and ask 25 people "what is an Amiga?"
- AND get a 2/3 majority correct answer without prompting them in any way
- THEN ask the right answers where you can buy one and you don't get a "I don't think they make them any more" answer from 1/2 of them,
THEN I'll agree that the Amiga as a platform isn't dead.
... but we're talking about two different things here. Logistics versus emotion.
I don't care about it whatsoever, so for me, I'm strictly saying "dead" in a "commercial, I can't go into a real store anywhere on the planet and buy a NEW (not NOS) one" sense.
I'm talking logistics. You're talking emotions. Two different things.
Sorry. I don't want to offend anyone with my opinion.
If hanging out banging away on a 25-year-old machine is your thing, I'm VERY cool with that. I just don't share that hobby any more so I can't agree with you on this point.
Personally, I find dicking around with old computers to be extremely frustrating, which is one reason I both sold the site, and -- way before that -- bought a Mac. Even though I owned the site from 1994 through 2009, I think I sold my last owned Amiga 3000 UX in.. hmmm.. 1997?
That being said, I digress. I've ruined this perfectly off-topic thread by re-assuming the seriousness I wanted to so desperately shed off.
Let's put down our respective weapons and have a toast to what once was, and to everyone's health and happiness. I think that we can all agree on that, and this is -- after all -- the holiday season.
Merry Christmas, which I say not to offend anyone, but because it's apparently now not-politically-correct to say any more.
Wayne
Yeah, its commercially dead for sure. No disagreement there.
I guess I just dont think it needs to be a commercial thing is all.
We all miss the glory days, but its different times now, and we should make the best of it.
And hell, Im a hardcore atheist and I wish people a merry f'ing christmas all the time so the PC brigade can bite me :)
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And hell, Im a hardcore atheist and I wish people a merry f'ing christmas all the time so the PC brigade can bite me :)
I think the term is "militant atheist". :)
As for me, I find myself gravitating more and more towards "Apathist" (which is more to the core of D&D "true neutral" to put it in perspective).
There may be a God. There may be many Gods. There may not. I don't care..
:)
Drink up me heartees, yo' ho!
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Speaking of "funny as hell"...
Anyone catch Fleecy Moss' profile on Facebook? Particularly the pictures of him in drag? What a hoot. If you don't believe me, go to FB and search for Fleecy Moss, then check out his photos.
Wayne
(http://www.facebook.com/segwayne#%21/photo.php?fbid=1430610530825&set=t.1399722418)(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs629.snc4/58916_1430610530825_1399722418_31121246_5871809_n.jpg)
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The Amiga -- dead as it is -- was created as a commercial venture and failed, last in 1994.
And since it was once a commercial venture it must always stay a commercial venture? And the only other alternative is begin a dead platform? :confused:
When was this decided? I did not receive that memo!! :angry:
We got opensource hardware (minimig) in active development, and opensource software (Aros 68k) in active development; I can't really see where this fits with your postulated reality :rolleyes:
I sense much denial in you young padawan.. :)
Just fixxed my sig. :rtfm:;)
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That being said, I digress. I've ruined this perfectly off-topic thread by re-assuming the seriousness I wanted to so desperately shed off.
Let's put down our respective weapons and have a toast to what once was, and to everyone's health and happiness. I think that we can all agree on that, and this is -- after all -- the holiday season.
In light of this, myself and my equally neer-do-well spectrally challenged partner in crime Adz feel the following is appropriate:
(http://www.bestfreeicons.com/smimages/Peter-Griffin-Football-head-icon.png)
I'll tell you what happened to the real Amiga community -- and I'm not talking about hispanic lesbian chicks, though that would be kinda cool nehheheehhhehh -- No, this is a story that must be told and I shall tell it using the powerful medium of the 80's answer to glam rock, Bon Jovi. I call this song "Livin' on a LOL"...
*sings*
Once upon the org,
Not so long ago.
T_Bone used to post on the org,
Kenny's been on strike,
We're down our lulz, it's tough, so tough
Blobrana used to post here all day,
Lookin at the skies for fun things to say
For lulz - for lulz
We've got to lol on at what we've got,
We're only getting older,
So why the hell not?
We still got pancakes and that's a lot.
For lulz - we'll give it a shot!
[Woooa hoah!] We're half way there...
[Woooa hoah!] In a rocking chair!
Pass my pills, I need 'em, I swear
[Woooa hoah!] What happened to my hair?
Meers went and gave up his spot,
And Fluffy's long gone, when he used
post so much, it sucks.
Glaucus went and legged it away,
Iama trolled in the night
We'd all figure he's gay... so gay
We've got to lol on at what we've got,
Though Wilse is not here
And PMC's dropped
So many friends gone but not forgot,
For lulz - we'll give it a shot!
[Woooa hoah!] We're half way there...
[Woooa hoah!] This place is getting square!
Post more lulz, we need 'em, I swear
[Woooa hoah!] It's to serious to bear!
That is all...
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And since it was once a commercial venture it must always stay a commercial venture? And the only other alternative is begin a dead platform? :confused:
When was this decided? I did not receive that memo!! :angry:
We got opensource hardware (minimig) in active development, and opensource software (Aros 68k) in active development; I can't really see where this fits with your postulated reality :rolleyes:
Just fixxed my sig. :rtfm:;)
True, by that standard Linux was has been dead for a while, given that it is Unix.
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Speaking of "funny as hell"...
Anyone catch Fleecy Moss' profile on Facebook? Particularly the pictures of him in drag?
Step 1: Apply mind bleach
Step 2: Rinse brain thoroughly
Step 3: Repeat until image eradicated
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QUOTE: Anyone catch Fleecy Moss' profile on Facebook? Particularly the pictures of him in drag?
Man that guy was always a tosser..
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[Woooa hoah!] What happened to my hair?
Hey! I'm sitting right here! (And I've always had a high forehead by the way)
Iama trolled in the night
We'd all figure he's gay... so gay
So true. Here's to you Iama, hope you enjoy your Christmas spit-roast. :-D
(PS - Love the Potato site. Strangely, the site had adverts for 'Pork' - a recording/merchandising brand started in Hull by an old acquaintance!)
@Wayne
All the best for the Christmas season matey.
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(PS - Love the Potato site. Strangely, the site had adverts for 'Pork' - a recording/merchandising brand started in Hull by an old acquaintance!)
Tis the website of Jonathan Picking of weebl & bob fame :) First saw his stuff around 2002/3 or thereabouts.
I saw the first "PIE!" episode of W&B and was hooked :lol:
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Harsh guys! There's nothing wrong with either cross dressing or being gay!
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Harsh guys! There's nothing wrong with either cross dressing or being gay!
Having three older sisters & being the only male and the youngest, when I was a kid the hand me downs made me grow up thinking cross dressing was perfectly normal... :)
(it's taken me over 40 years to kick the habit... honest... :))
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..........I was only asking what others think about this comment that was made by someone whom I know has never used an Amiga in his life and assume his friends haven't either... :)
wow, isn't it sad that some people have never had the pleasure and honor to use an Amiga! We are the Elite.
...... Simply put, the way the rest of the world sees it, Windows has won the home computer war, Mac is making a comback (shudder) but they are still a loooong way off. ...............
linux is making inroads. it may seem slow like a glacier, but it is craving deep groves in the ground. These days I do most of my work in Ubuntu. I only use Windows for AfterEffects.
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wow, isn't it sad that some people have never had the pleasure and honor to use an Amiga! We are the Elite.
Wow... the sarcasm really hurts... ooh the pain... :rolleyes:
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wow, isn't it sad that some people have never had the pleasure and honor to use an Amiga! We are the Elite.
We were in the right place at the right time, I guess :)
linux is making inroads. it may seem slow like a glacier, but it is craving deep groves in the ground. These days I do most of my work in Ubuntu. I only use Windows for AfterEffects.
I only boot into WIndows to play (modern) games; the one niche where it can still truly be said that it destroys all competition. Even the few productivity apps I did use I've subsequently got working under Wine.
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The problem is that the Amiga platform is the only "retro" platform that hasn't (in terms of its users) fully come to terms with its death yet. Some of us still believe... or if not believe then fantasise... that the Amiga could come back. This is because there was so much potential for the Amiga brand, even after Commodore's death. Unfortunately the potential was squandered. But a lot of us are still waiting or dreaming of the Amiga's rise from the ashes. We've had a lot of promises along the way that have kept the fire of hope going.
if some people were looking at computer platforms as a race, maybe this is how they feel.
However, I feel that for me, Amiga was the great success of my life. It was THE most important career decision I ever made. My career would have been over if I had not bought my A2000 in 1989.
It lead to my achievements, and the best work of my life. For ME Amiga has been nothing but positive. But that's because i saw the potential and USED it to my advantage.
I don't want to be mean, but if others didn't do that, who's fault is that?
A computer - all of them - are tools. What matters is what you do with that tool.
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Wow... the sarcasm really hurts... ooh the pain... :rolleyes:
no sarcasm. I am dead serious.
learning how to use a computer on an Amiga teaches you something special. I can't put it into words, but I know it taught ME something
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Speaking of "funny as hell"...
Anyone catch Fleecy Moss' profile on Facebook? Particularly the pictures of him in drag? What a hoot. If you don't believe me, go to FB and search for Fleecy Moss, then check out his photos.
Wayne
(http://www.facebook.com/segwayne#%21/photo.php?fbid=1430610530825&set=t.1399722418)(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs629.snc4/58916_1430610530825_1399722418_31121246_5871809_n.jpg)
:laughing: men in drag is always funny
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no sarcasm. I am dead serious.
learning how to use a computer on an Amiga teaches you something special. I can't put it into words, but I know it taught ME something
Apologies cecillia, I thought it was one of the grumpy brigade having another go at me... sorry... :)
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At the risk of repeating myself, Everyone here needs to join NORML! or go to California and get your much needed 'script... or fly to Amsterdam... whichever....
This should give you the proper perspective on the "live vs dead" issue, and just keep doing what you've been doing.
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We were in the right place at the right time, I guess :)
I only boot into WIndows to play (modern) games; the one niche where it can still truly be said that it destroys all competition. Even the few productivity apps I did use I've subsequently got working under Wine.
I actually play more games in linux than I did in windows, but part of that is that I switched my gaming to indie puzzler type of games.
If I still wanted to play triple A titles, I'd probably get a PS3 though.
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At the risk of repeating myself, Everyone here needs to join NORML! or go to California and get your much needed 'script... or fly to Amsterdam... whichever....
This should give you the proper perspective on the "live vs dead" issue, and just keep doing what you've been doing.
Whas NORML !!! :confused:
Is it like ABBEY NORML !!! :confused:
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Whas NORML !!! :confused:
Is it like ABBEY NORML !!! :confused:
Woops - It's a U.S. thing - National Org. for the Repeal of Marijuana Laws
As in: http://norml.org/
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Woops - It's a U.S. thing - National Org. for the Repeal of Marijuana Laws
As in: http://norml.org/
I should have known that one, the brother-in-law in Portland Oregon is into all that hippy stuff... :)
(he's not the one who said were all "sad retards" by the way that was the one in Glasgow who said that... he's just a fat smelly bugger...)
But shouldn't it be NOFTROML ... :)
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But shouldn't it be NOFTROML ... :)
You try repeating all that when your baked :lol:
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You try repeating all that when your baked :lol:
It's easy for me to say cos I'm only half baked... :)
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It's easy for me to say cos I'm only half baked... :)
Then you need to be posting ideas at the Halfbakery (http://www.halfbakery.com/)
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Harsh guys! There's nothing wrong with either cross dressing or being gay!
Not sure I follow... who said there was? :confused:
Very quick to jump on the defensive there Matt. Summat you're not telling us? :lol:
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Not sure I follow... who said there was? :confused:
Very quick to jump on the defensive there Matt. Summat you're not telling us? :lol:
If you ever came to one of our gigs you'd see my shameless attention seeking stagewear ;)
Some of the previous posts were a bit unnecessarily derogatory
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If you ever came to one of our gigs you'd see my shameless attention seeking stagewear ;)
Some of the previous posts were a bit unnecessarily derogatory
Starting to picture a modern day Skyhooks gig...
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Some of the previous posts were a bit unnecessarily derogatory
Well, we did used to insinuate Iama was a repressed homosexual whenever he'd go off on a big anti-gay rant.... *shrug*
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Well, we did used to insinuate Iama was a repressed homosexual whenever he'd go off on a big anti-gay rant.... *shrug*
He was bent as a three quid note that one.
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He was bent as a three quid note that one.
Always the ones that shout the loudest, eh?
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If you ever came to one of our gigs you'd see my shameless attention seeking stagewear ;)
Some of the previous posts were a bit unnecessarily derogatory
[/paraphrasing Matt on moobunny]
Come to Manchester there are some really horrible homos.
[/paraphrasing]
:P
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If you ever came to one of our gigs you'd see my shameless attention seeking stagewear ;)
Well, keyboardists (http://nevermix.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vlcsnap-2010-07-13-22h59m03s215.png) always get a rum deal on stage...
Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.
So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:
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Well, keyboardists (http://nevermix.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vlcsnap-2010-07-13-22h59m03s215.png) always get a rum deal on stage...
Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.
So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:
Keytar is coming back in a big way, man.
Just like Amiga.
I think "what happened to the real Amiga community" is that they got tired of riding the rollercoaster. Product speculation, announcements, anticipation, lawsuits, vaporware and infighting all conspired to drive away all but the most die-hard drama queens in the group. They decided that it was time to get on with using computers in new and exciting ways NOW instead of waiting for some underfunded dream company to produce a piece of messianic hardware (or software) that would catapult the Amiga platform to the forefront of computing technology, a place it has not really occupied since 1990.
It isn't 1984 anymore. You can't come up with ground-breaking hardware without huge R&D and marketing budgets. I'm sure that there will be great stuff like the Replay board and whatnot coming out of the Amiga community, but that is about it. We're at a stage now where desktops are no longer the main platform for the average computer user. Think about what that means -- in 1984 the average home computer user was a hobbyist or a teenager with smart parents. People who used computers to do anything but play games were either engineers or geeks and they were easy to sway with a few extra colors or a little higher resolution or even another 64K of RAM. But here we are in 2010 (!) so if whoever owns Amiga comes out with some new uber-desktop it won't matter if it can because it will just be a desktop. You won't be able to touch the screen or tell it to dial your mom's house or mount it on your dash and have it tell you where the nearest pizza place that serves gluten-free food is (good luck with that if you need one.)
The computing world has gotten so much further than pull-down screens or drive letter aliases or any of the other things that once made Amiga awesome to use. OS4 is nice, but it is still back in 2000 in terms of UI design and user-friendliness. To make a real splash, the new Amiga OS would have to be super slick and a complete departure from the current desktop concept. And it would have to be on handheld hardware. And have thousands of applications to run on it. Too bad Apple and Google have already gotten themselves entrenched in the smartphone and tablet markets. Even Palm is flagging, and they've got a hell of an OS.
But the reality is, Amiga lives. Yay. I hope somebody does something cool with the new X1000 or the Replay AGA Minimig. How about an Amiga Tablet with a Touch UI and an FPGA emulator that runs Android and iOS stuff in the background? Hehe.
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How about an Amiga Tablet with a Touch UI and an FPGA emulator that runs Android and iOS stuff in the background? Hehe.
In the next revision of MorphOS (probably 2.8) we should see support for Powerbooks. 'Amiga' laptops anyone? Tablets? That can't be too far off either.
For a 'dead' computer, the market seems pretty lively.
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In the next revision of MorphOS (probably 2.8) we should see support for Powerbooks. 'Amiga' laptops anyone? Tablets? That can't be too far off either.
For a 'dead' computer, the market seems pretty lively.
The "Wolf"man will probably be along to point out to you that he does not think that PowerBook support will be included in MorphOS until a version "After" v2.8, due to some comments by some of the MorphOS Dev. Team members.
What ever version PowerBook support does come to MorphOS, be it 2.8, 2.9, or later, it will be a great day for Amiga users that are still clinging to the PPC architecture (like me, sort of, I have had AmigaOS3.x running on a laptop since around AmigaForever v2, on my very first x86 computer at home, an off-brand 400MHz Celeron laptop which I later upgraded to a 533MHz Celeron (as far as it could go)).
I am very much looking forward to running MorphOS2.8, or 2.9, or a later version if it needs to wait longer to get it right, on my 1.67GHz G4 17-inch widescreen PowerBook that I bought on eBay a few months ago in MINT condition, with a 2 year warranty. Having MorphOS on a great laptop like the PowerBook, where at 1.67GHz it is really going to fly, is going to be a fantastic step forward, and will get me using MorphOS much more than I do now, since I am unable to sit at a desk in a chair for more than a few minutes at a time, due to my back condition.
As for your prediction of an Amiga tablet being possible not too far off, unless it is an x86 table running UAE, I am not aware of any PPC tablets that would be candidates for AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS2.x.
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I'll start of by saying that I have no illusions that the Amiga will be taking over the world. That being said, each year, there is a better chance of Amiga making a come back. Sure phones are hip right now, but as far as desktops go, I would say that a desktop actually DOESN'T need thousands of apps to be successful. The number of apps needed is dropping dramatically. Fewer people are gaming on PCs, or at least a smaller percentage of the whole. More and more apps are moving to the web. I would say that if a new OS really only needs a full browser, a decent media player, VPN and VNC to be usable by the vast majority of the population.
It isn't because Amiga will be superior that it could make a comeback. It is because there are people fanatic enough about it that the necessary pieces are likely to be built, and pretty much any system that has the few necessary pieces will be viable.
If I were developing on one of the NG Amiga Platforms, I would be targeting integration to phones. For example, I would look at having a 'special' window that was a shared screen to a phone, but could be interacted with on the desktop. Currently, the phones have horrible integration to the desktop. Yes, even the iPhone. Maybe especially the iPhone.
Either screen sharing between the desktop and the phone needs to become standard, or the phone needs to become the desktop. Either way, the future will still have full size keyboards, and full sized monitors.
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Well, keyboardists (http://nevermix.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vlcsnap-2010-07-13-22h59m03s215.png) always get a rum deal on stage...
I can still feel the awkward silence between my girlfriend and I as we sat on the sofa watching that episode :)
"he's in a band... He plays keyboards..." welcome the to unsexiest profession in the music industry, even the reality challenged roadie who cleans the vomit out of the tom-tom carry cases after the gig gets more respect!
Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.
If I'm really honest, I liked to have my bank of synths and computers in front of me :)
So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:
Yeah I tried it... But couldn't find the "play" button [shrug]...
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Speaking of Amiga community members dressing up and what not...
Gadget is that you? (http://craveimages.com/media/x1283386aa9a5.jpg.pagespeed.ic.y1GO4a8iDL.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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[/paraphrasing Matt on moobunny]
Come to Manchester there are some really horrible homos.
[/paraphrasing]
:P
I don't doubt it, my point would be that it isn't being homosexual that makes them horrible... People are people, regardless of colour and creed, and nothing is going to change that.
I gave up with moo, its unstructured approach while inviting dynamic debate, is ultimately it's downfall, as it become difficult to get one's point across without causing confusion. I'm pretty fed up with circular debates now, I'm inclined to just say, "think whatever you want to think, just let me do the same" :)
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It isn't 1984 anymore. You can't come up with ground-breaking hardware without huge R&D and marketing budgets. I'm sure that there will be great stuff like the Replay board and whatnot coming out of the Amiga community, but that is about it. We're at a stage now where desktops are no longer the main platform for the average computer user. Think about what that means -- in 1984 the average home computer user was a hobbyist or a teenager with smart parents. People who used computers to do anything but play games were either engineers or geeks and they were easy to sway with a few extra colors or a little higher resolution or even another 64K of RAM. But here we are in 2010 (!) so if whoever owns Amiga comes out with some new uber-desktop it won't matter if it can because it will just be a desktop. You won't be able to touch the screen or tell it to dial your mom's house or mount it on your dash and have it tell you where the nearest pizza place that serves gluten-free food is (good luck with that if you need one.)
But the reality is, Amiga lives. Yay. I hope somebody does something cool with the new X1000 or the Replay AGA Minimig. How about an Amiga Tablet with a Touch UI and an FPGA emulator that runs Android and iOS stuff in the background? Hehe.
Thats one of the things I don't get or even understand, why do some folks want the the Amiga to have touch screens, mount it on a dash, or even be a tablet etc.. etc..
There are plenty of these gimmick machine already available on the market why would you want to change the Amiga into something it wasn't designed to be and spoil the charm and joy of what using an Amiga is all about... :)
The only requirements I would like to see for the Amiga is the ability to run old Amiga software like Pagestream & ImageFX for example a bit faster, the only thing I use a Mac for is to access the net and to be honest in 25 years of using the Amiga on a daily basis the ability to access the net with it is something I haven't missed or am really interested in it being able to do so... :)
Use the Amiga for what it is and always will be, something a wee bit different from all the mundane world of modern PCs and gimmicks. It's a machine that is a joy to use and learn about, if you want tablets and all that malarky go out and buy one they are avalble if thats your thing... :)
To me the Amiga is unique in the computer world and I'm quite happy for it to remain that way... :)
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Speaking of Amiga community members dressing up and what not...
Gadget is that you? (http://craveimages.com/media/x1283386aa9a5.jpg.pagespeed.ic.y1GO4a8iDL.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
No she's the one that got away. Sigh! :laughing:
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In light of this, myself and my equally neer-do-well spectrally challenged partner in crime Adz feel the following is appropriate:
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I'll tell you what happened to the real Amiga community -- and I'm not talking about hispanic lesbian chicks, though that would be kinda cool nehheheehhhehh -- No, this is a story that must be told and I shall tell it using the powerful medium of the 80's answer to glam rock, Bon Jovi. I call this song "Livin' on a LOL"...
*sings*
Once upon the org,
Not so long ago.
T_Bone used to post on the org,
Kenny's been on strike,
We're down our lulz, it's tough, so tough
Blobrana used to post here all day,
Lookin at the skies for fun things to say
For lulz - for lulz
We've got to lol on at what we've got,
We're only getting older,
So why the hell not?
We still got pancakes and that's a lot.
For lulz - we'll give it a shot!
[Woooa hoah!] We're half way there...
[Woooa hoah!] In a rocking chair!
Pass my pills, I need 'em, I swear
[Woooa hoah!] What happened to my hair?
Meers went and gave up his spot,
And Fluffy's long gone, when he used
post so much, it sucks.
Glaucus went and legged it away,
Iama trolled in the night
We'd all figure he's gay... so gay
We've got to lol on at what we've got,
Though Wilse is not here
And PMC's dropped
So many friends gone but not forgot,
For lulz - we'll give it a shot!
[Woooa hoah!] We're half way there...
[Woooa hoah!] This place is getting square!
Post more lulz, we need 'em, I swear
[Woooa hoah!] It's to serious to bear!
That is all...
:laughing:
But I think your talent is wasted here. You need to join the Warped Humour Lulz Society. Only it's members can appreciate it. I should know.:lol:
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But I think your talent is wasted here. You need to join the Warped Humour Lulz Society. Only it's members can appreciate it. I should know.:lol:
You mean there's a place where I'm... understood?
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Well, keyboardists (http://nevermix.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/vlcsnap-2010-07-13-22h59m03s215.png) always get a rum deal on stage...
Either forced to stand behind a their instruments, or worse yet (and thankfully this died the death it deserved) get a keytar and look really ridiculous.
So I decided I needed to play guitar too :lol:
Think about those of us who play cello.....
It's the music! Not the image!
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Think about those of us who play cello.....
It's the music! Not the image!
I dunno, most cellists I've seen go for the formal attire look ;)
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Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community?
It's what we call a 'shake and bake colony'.
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Apologies cecillia, I thought it was one of the grumpy brigade having another go at me... sorry... :)
no problem. posting can't let you see or hear the person, so I make allowances for that. my post on 207 (I think that's where it is) says it best at this point.
At the risk of repeating myself, Everyone here needs to join NORML! or go to California and get your much needed 'script... or fly to Amsterdam... whichever....
This should give you the proper perspective on the "live vs dead" issue, and just keep doing what you've been doing.
looking at posts after this I realize you are referring to drugs. this will do me no good as I have never taken drugs nor do I have any interest in it.
I like my brain working at 100% efficiency.
I also think drugs should be legal because it would cost society less to make drugs a personal issue or a medical issue (for those with problems) than create a black market which just encourages criminals to make a profit
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the only thing I use a Mac for is to access the net and to be honest in 25 years of using the Amiga on a daily basis the ability to access the net with it is something I haven't missed or am really interested in it being able to do so... :)
This places you solidly on the fringe, together with most of the rest of us here for various reasons. Most of us are the totally wrong people to really say anything about what others want or would find useful. That's one of the reasons I don't get why people here get so worked up over what other people use or want to use etc. - seen from mainstream users point of view, we're all a bunch of lunatics anyway.
Use the Amiga for what it is and always will be, something a wee bit different from all the mundane world of modern PCs and gimmicks. It's a machine that is a joy to use and learn about, if you want tablets and all that malarky go out and buy one they are avalble if thats your thing... :)
I don't think any shade of Amiga has any hope of regaining a mainstream position, but I still want to be able to use an Amiga-like OS (AROS would suit me just fine - I'm not a purist) on my laptop, on a tablet, as my main desktop machine. I don't think that's an unreasonable wish. That said, it'll take a huge amount of effort before it could mostly replace Linux for most of my needs.
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I know you're a big Apple fan. I can see why a lot of people would choose to be Apple fans these days, but if you want my opinion... the Amiga was better than the Apple Mac. It should have been our platform competing with and beating Microsoft. But yours had good leadership, investment in development and excellent marketing. Ours had poor leadership, minimal investment and crap marketing.
Neverthless, Apple never managed to 'beat' Microsoft in the computer market. Apple did its best in the media one, and created a proprietary - and for this reason not destined to outperform others' revenues - platform for mobile phones, looking forward to the tablet market they actually created (and others will just follow, at least for now).
Once said so, I'd also stop blaming Commodore only for the Amiga long-term flop. Commodore made a lot of mistakes, but at those times WE (the Amiga users community) didn't see at them like 'mistakes', but as strong points for our platform. We liked the ways our computers were complete systems without spending money for costy expansion boards (we had stereo audio, integrated hi.res graphics...), but we discovered too late that our custom chips were enough good for 2D games, while PC users just needed to buy a 3D card to play better looking games and access functions our ECS and AGAs just couldn't even dream about.
We liked the long life of our systems, which just didn't get obsolete so fast. We discovered afterwards that keeping the platform uncahnged for years just made Commodore revenues not enough to sustain the platform. And don't try to fool ourserlves: we were all happy our A500 and A1200 with few expansions were enough for everything.
We started to suspect something a little late, when we asked Commodore for a CD-ROM to add to our A1200s, and they answered with the CD32. Everything that Commodore did after the year 1990 was always late, but we continued to happily sing that "Only Amiga makes it possible" like the orchestra still kept playing while the Titanic was sinking. And that's something we should all be aware of, and don't forget.
Unluckily, there are people that never learn from their mistakes.