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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: jorkany on December 14, 2010, 03:21:37 PM
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Love 'em or hate 'em, something is happening over at C-USA though it looks like they might have some load-balancer issues:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Home.aspx
LOL
"No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now available for free on the internet as abandonware."
I prefer Commodore Scotland myself!
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Isn't that backround image on the "Workbench 5" page yet another stolen 3D image from aminet?
I love the way these guys are spamming/trolling the hell out of Amigaworld lately....
Love 'em or hate 'em, something is happening over at C-USA though it looks like they might have some load-balancer issues:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Home.aspx
LOL
"No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now available for free on the internet as abandonware."
I prefer Commodore Scotland myself!
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I can't wait to see what the new Amiga Workbench 5 actually is:rolleyes:
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I have to admit, while I am very suspicious of CommodoreUSA (I use that name lightly), I do like the new site and the design of the "Amiga" cases. They are simple and elegant, yet really do remind me of the originals. (I'm guessing these are just renders though and might not ever really see the light of day - and if so they will just be PCs with Amiga emulation). I would even guess that these cases are merely re-badged third party PC cases that already exist somewhere on the market.
To someone not that familiar with original Amigas though, they might wonder why the "highest end" of the line is numbered 2000 rather than 3000 (which is the mid-range line on Commodore USA). Of course we know why - the large black case mimics the original A2000's coffin-case.
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I would even guess that these cases are merely re-badged third party PC cases that already exist somewhere on the market.
Thats right. Its just a bunch of Chinese HTPC cases that have been around for a while. I guess they'll just slap some stickers on them.
http://www.aumro.com/products.html
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Well, the site does look much better.
Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers.
I told you guys after contacting Altman, he's serious about this.
And the use of the Workbench name is a brilliant way to side step the Hyperion/AOS trademark issue.
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I'm guessing that "Workbench 5" is going to be some kind of Windows 7 or Ubuntu theme. The emulation will be a couple Commodore icons on the desktop that will launch a preconfigrued WinUAE and C64 emulation.
I'm not sure who is going to buy any of this stuff?
I can't wait to see what the new Amiga Workbench 5 actually is:rolleyes:
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As a professional company, I am sure his legal team has advised him that "abandonware" is not a legal term, and that he probably shouldn't be advertising that.
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I can't wait to see what the new Amiga Workbench 5 actually is:rolleyes:
A distinctive, attractive, advanced and stable operating system experience
Well, that rules out any traditional AmigaOS or it's offspring :lol:
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"Workbench 5" appears to be a Linux distro, perhaps it's a way to revive the old "Anubis ate my chickens" thread...
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Well Barry and maybe one other person in the Amiga Kommunity will label me a troll, but I have very little faith in seeing anything other than a Cybernet PC with a label slapped on it actually for sale.
Prove me wrong CUSA.
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Well Barry and maybe one other person in the Amiga Kommunity will label me a troll, but I have very little faith in seeing anything other than a Cybernet PC with a label slapped on it actually for sale.
The commodore 64 pictures prove they are actually doing something.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx
Now whether that is something they will ever ship to anyone is another matter. It's a pity it's not fanless & the keyboard needs a bit of work, hopefully the finished product will look more like the render than the prototype (function key colour for a start).
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There's no asterisk on the keyboard!
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This "company" and I use that term loosely, really loosely, is a joke.
Call the phone # the site, its a voicemail box. Very impressive.
Who but a huge amiga or commodore fan would buy any of this crap, and most commodore and amiga fans see right through the smokescreen and know he's just slapping stickers on already existing stuff. So far they have yet to make a single product for sale themselves, but they sure are good and slapping their name on stuff, and acting like they did something.
For all their hype, so far I bet their sales figures would make being a homeless person and begging for change look like a better business idea.
Workbench 5? Yeah that will be an ubuntu respin with uae and an amiga wallpaper. They will spend upwards for 20 minutes putting that together.
Mark my words.
The c64 thing? I can build one myself from an c64 case, but why would I want to type on that ancient keyboard? This project has been done many times before, all over the internet by hobbyists, but never for sale.
Click on products, I get they ran out of stickers to slap on the cybernet zpc's they were selling for like 40% more than you could get them for direct from the real maker (cybernet). Wow their support for their products must be excellent, hype the hell out of your "new" computer,
sell it for 2 months then drop it, in favor of cases you bought wholesale and slapped old names on.
JOKE.
Steven
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There's no asterisk on the keyboard!
/* who needs it? */
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There's no asterisk on the keyboard!
This is the 21st century, and so multiplication is no longer needed.
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/* who needs it? */
This is the 21st century, and so multiplication is no longer needed.
:lol:
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I am confused...
I am all for people trying to do something for the Amiga community BUT I don't get the C64 revival...
Anyone can do what they are doing, and indeed it's been done a few times already, by taking an original C64 shell and putting all those bits in. A mini-itx board, slim DVD drive and off you go, you might even make a more powerful one.
Also I don't understand the OS part...it's pretty clear it's something (an emulator) running on top of Windows or Linux, again, anyone can do that.
I am lost :)
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"Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers."
Hey iggy, did you forget about the 2 or 3 other keyboard all in one computers which he was hyping for months and then never shipped?
What have they shipped so far? Some zpc's with commodore stickers slapped on them?
And what about the other few all in one keyboard comuters they used to have on their site? (All of them were existing products they planned to just put a commodore sticker on)
Any mention of those mysteriously dissapeared now. Use the wayback machine to see the old website, they have hyped many products so far that just dissapeared and never shipped.
With that kind of track record already, I doubt any of this new stuff they are trying to hype will ever arrive.
Steven
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"Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers."
Hey iggy, did you forget about the 2 or 3 other keyboard all in one computers which he was hyping for months and then never shipped?
What have they shipped so far? Some zpc's with commodore stickers slapped on them?
And what about the other few all in one keyboard comuters they used to have on their site? (All of them were existing products they planned to just put a commodore sticker on)
Any mention of those mysteriously dissapeared now. Use the wayback machine to see the old website, they have hyped many products so far that just dissapeared and never shipped.
With that kind of track record already, I doubt any of this new stuff they are trying to hype will ever arrive.
Steven
Actually, there was only one all-in-one system, a relabeled Cybernet system Altman named Phoenix. It's still listed and while I see no way to order one on the current website, I believe it is available.
As far as the market for the C64, I might buy one. Why? For the retro freak out your friends that used to own an original C64 factor. Plus, if Barry uses the key switches he's mentioned for the last several months in the keyboard it should have nice tactile feedback.
I'm baffled at all the negativity. How many of you have suggested a move to X86 architecture? Now AROS users have an opportunity to run their OS on PCs with legally licensed Amiga branding.
Considering past history, I can understand being cautious, but don't you guys think you ought to give Altman a chance before you shoot him down?
The website looks much improved. The model lineup is now fleshed out. C64s should ship in the first quarter of 2011 and the rest of the line is not as challenging. Why not wait and see how things go? Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic.
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If you don't know what your talking about, don't post. When he first launched the website, he had two other all in one pc's one listed. One was "The amigo" one called "The phoenix" and another I don't recall.
"The amigo" was a websurf all in one pc, but hey for the extra 40-50% markup, they slap a commodore sticker on it for you...
and the other one, whose RENAME name I don't recall was this computer :
http://gizmodo.com/5163636/asus-eee-keyboard-pc-should-arrive-in-may-or-june-for-400+600
He had a fancy name for it, but yes, they were hyping this as a "Soon to be release NEW computer from commodore." So ask yourself again,why people are negative about them.
I suspect that as soon as people starting calling them out on their bullshit, they started backpedaling. This new website is just another attempt to hide their past lies.
Oh yeah, Why all the negativity? Here 's one reason :
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/commodore_usa_sell_amiga_all--one_pcs_hyperion_thinks_not
Want another reason? How about another forum member catching them red handed as having stolen most of their website word for word from apple.com (That shit was funny)
In the future, know who you are defending before you defend them.
Of course, the last forum troll who defended them so much got a job as their "Chief technical officer"
Iggy,What are you looking for a new job with a fancy title that pays nothing? This guy running this "company" and anyone who supports them should get a goddam life. Its a joke, its a goddam hoax. Anyone can slap a sticker on an existing product, copy apple's website word for word,or respin ubuntu, call it workbench and include an amiga emulator.
Take your head out of your ass. That is all.
Steven
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If you don't know what your talking about, don't post. When he first launched the website, he had two other all in one pc's one listed. One was "The amigo" one called "The phoenix" and another I don't recall.
Examples:
Amigo: http://www.pcanswer.com/2010/05/31/commodore-64-makes-a-comeback/
Phoenix: http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Phoenix.aspx
Fantasy: http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FutureModels.aspx
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Here is the cahed page from "The amigo" another NEW all in one keyboard pc... Only from commodore USA!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?hl=en&q=cache:8ol7Sv80CTIJ:http://www.commodoreusa.net/amigo.html+commodore+usa+amigo&ct=clnk
Can you say "oh shit someone found out we're just slapping stickers on these things and they don't like it... Better forget that, quick change the website!
Does anyone remember the other NEW all in one keyboard pc's name? I'm sure its out there on the net still, even though they'd rather not let anyone see them...
Like I said iggy, if you don't know the history of the lies coming out of this place, then maybe you should not wonder why people are negative.
Hahaha jorkany, you found more I forgot about. The EEE all in one keyboard pc they called something else was on their website also... Wow nice case pictures of your new pc soon to be released... They dropped that kewl blue one from the new website too.
So whats the count? How many products have they promised or announced? Now how many have they delivered?
Steven
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If you don't know what your talking about, don't post. When he first launched the website, he had two other all in one pc's one listed. One was "The amigo" one called "The phoenix" and another I don't recall.
"The amigo" was a websurf all in one pc, but hey for the extra 40-50% markup, they slap a commodore sticker on it for you...
and the other one, whose RENAME name I don't recall was this computer :
http://gizmodo.com/5163636/asus-eee-keyboard-pc-should-arrive-in-may-or-june-for-400+600
He had a fancy name for it, but yes, they were hyping this as a "Soon to be release NEW computer from commodore." So ask yourself again,why people are negative about them.
I suspect that as soon as people starting calling them out on their bullshit, they started backpedaling. This new website is just another attempt to hide their past lies.
Oh yeah, Why all the negativity? Here 's one reason :
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/commodore_usa_sell_amiga_all--one_pcs_hyperion_thinks_not
Want another reason? How about another forum member catching them red handed as having stolen most of their website word for word from apple.com (That shit was funny)
In the future, know who you are defending before you defend them.
Of course, the last forum troll who defended them so much got a job as their "Chief technical officer"
Iggy,What are you looking for a new job with a fancy title that pays nothing? This guy running this "company" and anyone who supports them should get a goddam life. Its a joke, its a goddam hoax. Anyone can slap a sticker on an existing product, copy apple's website word for word,or respin ubuntu, call it workbench and include an amiga emulator.
Take your head out of your ass. That is all.
Steven
Sorry Steven, but the article you reference is about three months old. Hyperion has no claim to the Amiga name, only AmigaOS and AmigaOne.
There is NO current legal dispute between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. or Commodore USA.
As for "calling them out". You guys are too CS to do this for real. The guy has offered to answer phone inquiries for months now and all you nimrods can do is post your speculations and opinions.
One thing I am certain about is that I have more experience in business than most of the posters here (and in the past ran a company selling custom 68K based systems).
One thing you plainly ignore is that fact that Altman has secured valid licensing for the names he's using. Further, he has invested his own funds into this venture and hasn't taken anyone else's money (for advance orders or any other fraudulent purposes). I personally am convinced that he's serious. Personally, I question marketing this stuff to jack holes like you because you're all a bunch of pretentious geeks that present too small a market to be concerned with.
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People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible. The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.
No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC. That ship has sailed. I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one. It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case. Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice. I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.
I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing. I am glade they didn't.
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http://www.commodore-amiga.org/ :D.
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Have I seen about 7 or 8 different models (or prospective models) from CUSA so far? This hyper-hype-preannouncement-scatter-wow is just too much.
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@haywirepc,
Chill out man! There's no need to get so worked up.
@Iggy,
A better business decision would have been to just keep a lid on it until they had an actual product to sell. all this months of speculation and iffy product announcements has made everyone really sceptical about they're ability to put out anything.
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Cool! :)
If the new Commodore 64 really materializes I might consider one (if the price is right). Also depends a bit on what's in the SW package, and how they package it.
The Amiga 1000 with Workbench 5 could also become something of my interest. I really like the looks of the case (I recall someone posting on moobunny the manufacturer and model name, but can't recall. Looks very sweet though). But again it depends on what's in the SW package, and how it's put together. I'd really like the option of running it as a HTPC out of the box for instance. And it would be cool if Workbench 5 would bring some kind of Amiga feeling to it all!
Going to keep my eyes on this development! :)
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You people forget one thing:
True Amigans are not the target market here, they are targeting ex-long-gone users and new ones who have never heard of Commodore or Amiga. It's like when Apple decided to leave the PPC and the purists got enraged. And what did Apple do? Apple stuck two fingers up in the air and carried on.
CUSA want to make money by using the name they claim they own (licensed), end of story.
To many it sounds like a not very honourable, devious scam, to others it sounds like any other business.
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People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible. The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.
No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC. That ship has sailed. I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one. It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case. Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice. I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.
I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing. I am glade they didn't.
Thanks Belial6,
A little bit of sanity. ""I will buy one." Yep, I'd be willing to bet you're not alone.
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Iggy, come on man... Speculation or opinion...?
Facts :
CUSA copied a whole webpage's text word for word from apple's website.
CUSA announced 3 all in one pc's and only ever shipped one to my knowledge, to one verified customer, BIGBENAUSSIE who posted here in defense of them like crazy, and later somehow became their "chief technical officer"
All 3 promised "NEW" commodore all in one computers were just made by someone else, with commodore stickers just slapped on them, at least that was their plan.
Call their phone #, its a voicemail box.
CUSA show an old rendered amiga picture (used without permission of the original artist) and claim its their new "AMIGA" product.
CUSA show pictures of rendered computers that they stole off the internet and announce more new computers planned for 2011.
CUSA show pictures of cases they got from the internet and announce MORE new computers...
CUSA's owner trashed AROS like crazy, then makes announcements that his new amiga pc's will be fully aros compliant. (How it appears he changed his mind on that, since it costs money to get drivers made)
CUSA keep announcing new products but never deliver.
These are not opinions Iggy, these are facts, all verifiable facts.
There is no opinion here, these are facts, this is what they've done so far
so don't be surprised when people are negative to them and their big announcements.
Like many in the world of amiga vapourware that hype things like crazy, they just keep making announcement after annoucement, hyping new things forgetting that people still remember they never delivered the last things they were promising.
Now on to opinion:
At best, he'll make crappy pc's with ubuntu with an amiga theme and amiga emulator.
Steven
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Isn't that backround image on the "Workbench 5" page yet another stolen 3D image from aminet?
Who the fuck cares? Really? Like every red/white boing ball on every web site around the world during the last 15 years was pixeled from scratch anyway? Did you really paint your entire avatar from scratch, or did you re-use some Canadian flag Internet graphics? I sure as hell didn't paint *my* avatar from scratch, I blatantly "stole" it from the title scene of the movie "the butterfly effect" and resized it. And "stolen" BTW? You mean it isn't there on Aminet anymore (freely accessible for everyone to download)?
I love the way these guys are spamming/trolling the hell out of Amigaworld lately....
And I love the way some people simply can't stand this new Commodore company trying to finally making some sensible use of the Amiga trade mark. They have licensed it. It's within their full right to do so.
I'll wait to see what will come out of this, if anything at all. Maybe Commodore's new Amiga's will be something interesting. Maybe not. Who knows? But they currently haven't got any product on the market AFAIK, yet some of you people really goes out of your way in what only can be described as some Witch Prosecution Process.
Anyway, can't say I really care. But it's really fun to watch you get so darned triggered as soon as even the tiniest message about anything Amiga comes from Commodore! :)
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Thats right. Its just a bunch of Chinese HTPC cases that have been around for a while. I guess they'll just slap some stickers on them.
http://www.aumro.com/products.html
Ah, yes those were the ones I spoke of earlier! Looks very nice!
Looks *much* better than A-EON's third party cases if you ask me... :)
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"Fact" - You're still voicing your unsupported opinion.
And "fact" you're still a jag off.
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Looks *much* better than A-EON's third party cases if you ask me... :)
Agreed. And at least C=USA is not trying to make off-the-shelf XMOS chips anyone can pop into their PC via USB for a couple of bucks pass as "custom chips, just like in the old days". :)
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@takemehomegrandma,
I think you have me wrong. I have nothing against these making new Amiga PC at all. I was just pointing out how they like to take complete graphics from other places and freely use them.
My logo was done by a graphics artist that used legal paid for clip art and it's a mix of several different things.
Who the fuck cares? Really? Like every red/white boing ball on every web site around the world during the last 15 years was pixeled from scratch anyway? Did you really paint your entire avatar from scratch, or did you re-use some Canadian flag Internet graphics? I sure as hell didn't paint *my* avatar from scratch, I blatantly "stole" it from the title scene of the movie "the butterfly effect" and resized it. And "stolen" BTW? You mean it isn't there on Aminet anymore (freely accessible for everyone to download)?
And I love the way some people simply can't stand this new Commodore company trying to finally making some sensible use of the Amiga trade mark. They have licensed it. It's within their full right to do so.
I'll wait to see what will come out of this, if anything at all. Maybe Commodore's new Amiga's will be something interesting. Maybe not. Who knows? But they currently haven't got any product on the market AFAIK, yet some of you people really goes out of your way in what only can be described as some Witch Prosecution Process.
Anyway, can't say I really care. But it's really fun to watch you get so darned triggered as soon as even the tiniest message about anything Amiga comes from Commodore! :)
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To many it sounds like a not very honourable, devious scam, to others it sounds like any other business.
Actually I think it is a scam by big business to dilute the brand before it can find any footing in a next-generation Amiga. How do you think that Amiga Inc. could pay all of their lawyers while not producing anything useful?
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I'm guessing that "Workbench 5" is going to be some kind of Windows 7 or Ubuntu theme. The emulation will be a couple Commodore icons on the desktop that will launch a preconfigrued WinUAE and C64 emulation.
I doubt it will be Windows 7. Most certainly Linux based.
And hopefully Workbench 5 will run Amiga programs (and C64 programs) in a *seamless* way, and have everything pre-configured and set up in a nice and convenient way! :)
I'm not sure who is going to buy any of this stuff?
Any old (but gone since long) Amiga fan, remembering the Commodore 64 and Amiga era, wanting a cool machine to run and re-experience all the old C64 and Amiga software on a modern machine, that on top of the retro emulation stuff is also a *real* computer that you can do *real* computing stuff on?
You can't dispute the "geek factor" of the Commodore 64! I think it can sell! :)
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Unsupported facts? Everything I wrote can be verified by internet caches
and searches. BTW, I just called their phone # again... Yeah its still a voicemail box.
You know last time a user was so blindly posting such positive things about them on this forum, He became their "chief technical officer". (or was before he even started posting) I'm starting to wonder who you are, or really are. If your really truly genuine in your support I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can ignore the history there so far.
Iggy, come on man if you were an on the level fair guy, you would at least concede that it looks really shady for them so far. Ask any person knowledgable on this forum, my fact list is not unsupported opinion, its 100% the facts of what has happened so far.
I feel sorry for you if you really don't see that.
Steven
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Agreed. And at least C=USA is not trying to make off-the-shelf XMOS chips anyone can pop into their PC via USB for a couple of bucks pass as "custom chips, just like in the old days". :)
A good point. Perhaps the days of proprietary chips differentiating products are gone.
If the new 'Amiga' uses off the shelf components, is that so bad?
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Unsupported facts? Everything I wrote can be verified by internet caches
and searches. BTW, I just called their phone # again... Yeah its still a voicemail box.
You know last time a user was so blindly posting such positive things about them on this forum, He became their "chief technical officer". (or was before he even started posting) I'm starting to wonder who you are, or really are. If your really truly genuine in your support I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can ignore the history there so far.
Iggy, come on man if you were an on the level fair guy, you would at least concede that it looks really shady for them so far. Ask any person knowledgable on this forum, my fact list is not unsupported opinion, its 100% the facts of what has happened so far.
I feel sorry for you if you really don't see that.
Steven
Yes, it LOOKS shady, but the impression doesn't fit the facts. If it were a con, then there would be some boone to the con artist. Here there isn', so until proveed otherwise, I withhold my opinion.
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I am confused...
Anyone can do what they are doing...
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...it's pretty clear it's something (an emulator) running on top of Windows or Linux, again, anyone can do that.
...and they are doing it so that you *won't have to*! And with an *official* Commodore Amiga brand, for those who are into those kind of things! :)
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...and they are doing it so that you *won't have to*! And with an *official* Commodore Amiga brand, for those who are into those kind of things! :)
Yes, 'official branding' has never been important to me. I use MorphOS with Amiga ftp and scanner software and I never concerned myself as to whether or not I'm using a 'real Amiga'.
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"Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers."
Hey iggy, did you forget about the 2 or 3 other keyboard all in one computers which he was hyping for months and then never shipped?
Oh, and I remember a company called "A-eon", that made their entry in one enormous hype boom! That amateurish looking website that dropped hints day by day. Like "click on the dot over the i and you get to yet another secret page" or whatever they were up to. Building up a hype that something special is about to happen. Then nothing. Later a promise for a release in summer. The summer came and went. No products. Only a pre-payment scheme. Months goes by, and we are actually closing in to a one year anniversary of complete void. Reminds me of Troika's "Amy'05". First one year passed, then another. Then suddenly some people started their good-old falsification of history behavior, claiming "but the '05 was never a year, it merely was some random number that looked cool". Yada yada. Well, at least Commodore announces what processor they are using in their Amiga's. ;)
What have they shipped so far? Some zpc's with commodore stickers slapped on them?
So they actually delivered something then? :-O
Well, I remember a company selling Teron motherboards with an AmigaOne sticker slapped on them! But wait, they didn't even have the stickers!
Ah well...
With that kind of track record already, I doubt any of this new stuff they are trying to hype will ever arrive.
X1000. Timberwolf. USB2. OS4.1.3/4.2. A few picks from a very long list. Aren't we used to hype as a track record as of now? What's new? Really?
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People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible. The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.
No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC. That ship has sailed. I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one. It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case. Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice. I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.
I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing. I am glade they didn't.
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If "Commodore USA" actually brings those replica looking C64 PCs to market then I will be very impressed. I think they look really good, especially the very retro looking keyboard. This looks like a product done right (i.e. someone who really appreciates the look of the original hardware took some time to design this very faithful retro case).
I am very suspicious, and not going to place any bets, but if they do this one product right then it will make up for all the crappy PC's with commodore labels slapped onto them.
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oh man, cusa.... a joke... what a company... i dont know if i should laugh or cry... maybe this is the point, where the morphos, amigaos3/4 and aros-camps can finally join their forces. we should merge all these 3 systems into one über-amigaos5-system.
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True Amigans are not the target market here, they are targeting ex-long-gone users and new ones who have never heard of Commodore or Amiga.
Sorry, but that's utterly stupid! Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks! I'm pretty sure these Commodore Amiga's will run both the Commodore software and Amiga software those nostalgia people will want to run, pretty much the same way as they ran it back in the days!
CUSA want to make money by using the name they claim they own (licensed), end of story.
To many it sounds like a not very honourable, devious scam, to others it sounds like any other business.
Of course they will want to make money on the trade marks. That's why they legally licensed them, isn't it? Nothing "devious scam" about it at all.
(OTOH there are companies that try to make money from similar trade marks that they more or less robbed through a devious legal process, to market an OS of which IP they also grabbed in a similar "decent" manner)
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Agreed. And at least C=USA is not trying to make off-the-shelf XMOS chips anyone can pop into their PC via USB for a couple of bucks pass as "custom chips, just like in the old days". :)
+1
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Yes, 'official branding' has never been important to me. I use MorphOS with Amiga ftp and scanner software and I never concerned myself as to whether or not I'm using a 'real Amiga'.
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It was a long time the Amiga brand stopped having any real meaning to me. And when you look at features, specs, performance and Amiga compatibility, MorphOS is Amiga done right anyway, so...
But the plastic prototype...
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype02.jpg) (http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype06.jpg) (http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype07.jpg)
...surely shows an ambition far beyond simply slapping a sticker on to an emulator. This could become a prime geek gimmick gadget! :)
Not holding my breath though...
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l got 100% agree with you seems to me when people get scared something they really react
to it seems to me more hysterical these folks get more likey it going to happen
l think great thing competion got to be good
l love the case desins look awsome whould mind pionex machine myself
but like x1000 too
And I love the way some people simply can't stand this new Commodore company trying to finally making some sensible use of the Amiga trade mark. They have licensed it. It's within their full right to do so.
I'll wait to see what will come out of this, if anything at all. Maybe Commodore's new Amiga's will be something interesting. Maybe not. Who knows? But they currently haven't got any product on the market AFAIK, yet some of you people really goes out of your way in what only can be described as some Witch Prosecution Process.
Anyway, can't say I really care. But it's really fun to watch you get so darned triggered as soon as even the tiniest message about anything Amiga comes from Commodore! :)[/QUOTE]
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http://www.aumro.com/products.html <- hey guys - just get your stylish amiga 1/2/3000 cases there and put in your pegasus/sam/amiga-one etc. boards.
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@takemehomegrandma
>>Sorry, but that's utterly stupid!
Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. Anyone can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 60 minutes, with better specifications parts.
>>Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks!
Wrong! The Commodore Amiga trademarks are there because they are an asset. Better to use the Commodore and Amiga names rather than a brand new one but as I said before many Amigans will not touch the stuff.
>>Of course they will want to make money on the trade marks. That's why they legally licensed them, isn't it? Nothing "devious scam" about it at all.
You have got the wrong end of the stick there, read again my post, I was actually defending CUSA.
>>OTOH there are companies that try to make money from similar trade marks that they more or less robbed through a devious legal process, to market an OS of which IP they also grabbed in a similar "decent" manner
I am not entering this argument which is off topic.
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Until CUSA actually collects money from someone, and fails to deliver AFTER taking their money, they are at the very worst big talkers. I have to agree that the viciousness that is directed at CUSA seems more like people worried that products will actually be produced.
I have to agree about the 'copyright violation' complaints as well. Every single person on this board has committed copyright violations. We see 'stolen' artwork in peoples avatars all the time. And, it seems mighty convenient that the people that claim copyright purity only show up to bag on CUSA, and never seem to be around to bag on people like Motorollin for 'stealing' DoomMaster's work. They never seem to complain when Rick Rolls start flying around.
Looking back at old threads, and the hypocritical treatment that is shown between the chosen, and the witches, there is no doubt that the complaints of copyright violation are more about rationalizing bad behavior on the part of the Amiga community than it is about wanting people to do the right thing.
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http://www.commodore-amiga.org/ :D.
yeah it still needs work ;)
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@takemehomegrandma (and she should have done it years ago IMHO)
Or is it? Is it stupid really? 90% of the TRUE Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. It looks awful. I can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 90 minutes, with better specifications parts.
I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.
TRUE Commodore and Amiga people
REAL Amigans
These groups don't exist. They are a fictional category made up to rationalize that everyone who disagrees with you is defacto wrong. They are a fallacy.
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@takemehomegrandma
Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss.
Damn how'd you have the time to ask all of the old Commodore staff what they throught?
I thought those were the only true Commodore and Amiga people =]
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If CUSA can bring their 64 box to light they will find a market for it. How big a market? ... one can only guess. C64 sold what... 11 million units in all it's forms? If CUSA gets 5% of that, they will do well. I think they may have thought at one time to include the old C64/Amiga community in the ride, but after taking it on the chin a couple of times in the threads, I'm guessing they said "frag that!" instead.
I'm not bashing or supporting at this point, but it should be another interesting story to follow in Amigaland reguardless. In fact I think it could spur Hyperion to new acheivements as well.
Plaz
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Dear Friends:
I am impressed by the new commodore and amiga.
I am dissapointed by how many people reacted so negative about
these new computers.
I think we should give them a chance to prove their worth and even
support them.
I myself am willing to buy a new c64 and new amiga from them, if they
are truthful and deliver the goods.
Hell, I even would love to develop new amiga games for their systems
and make new 'amiga' animations.
I wish the new commodore USA much success.
Love !!!
Rednova
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http://www.aumro.com/products.html <- hey guys - just get your stylish amiga 1/2/3000 cases there and put in your pegasus/sam/amiga-one etc. boards.
Yes, a much better choice than the "Fractal Design Define R2 Black Pearl" if you ask me...
(http://i43.tinypic.com/1zdqeex.gif)
;)
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While I remain skeptical of some of Commodore USA's promises, I do find their partner list somewhat interesting:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_StrategicPartners.aspx
Now, back to watching and waiting... :)
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Yes, a much better choice than the "Fractal Design Define R2 Black Pearl" if you ask me...
(http://i43.tinypic.com/1zdqeex.gif)
;)
i like the x1000 tower also - both are great cases for a computer. maybe a-eon should think about an x1000 desktop version with one of these c-usa cases. or somebody could sell premounted sam-boards in one of these cases. maybe relec - they always use nice cases for their amiga-systems. but i STILL dont like c-usa.. and i H**E amiga inc. the best thing would be if the people behind morphos, amigaos4 and aros would join their forces for a new amigaos5.
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Dear Friends:
I am impressed by the new commodore and amiga.
Rednova
What aspect is impressive to you?
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@takemehomegrandma
>>Sorry, but that's utterly stupid!
Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. Anyone can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 60 minutes, with better specifications parts.
You are confused. Better look again.
>>Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks!
Wrong! The Commodore Amiga trademarks are there because they are an asset. Better to use the Commodore and Amiga names rather than a brand new one but as I said before many Amigans will not touch the stuff.
You know what? I think you have spent way to much time on sites like amigaworld.net and amigans.net. You need to get out more. The world moved on long time ago.
The only value that the Commodore and Amiga brands has today, the only chance to make any kind of money whatsoever from them, is from retro gimmick stuff like this. Most people who still has any kind of recognition for the Commodore brand, left the brand more than two decades ago. Most people who still recognize the Amiga brand left it one and a half decade ago. Both categories of people are middle-aged or old today, they moved on with their lives, but many probably have happy memories from the games, etc they played back then. This would be the market.
If Commodore can identify, conceptualize and reproduce that set of nostalgic memories (and emotions they bring) into some real, tangible products, then they might have a business. And the key to this will be the trade marks of course. But it also comes down to Workbench 5, which will be the SW that ties it all together. Ideally it will come in a pre-configured and well thought through shape and form. All necessary emulators already there, the environment set up and ready to go. Maybe some kind of Internet service as an extension? If they get the software right, they can absolutely use the trademarks to sell Commodore Amiga's to enthusiasts. And if they can make the bread-box C64 design come true, then it will be a hit! Heck, I might buy one myself, just because of the coolness factor alone!
What will be *impossible* to sell, no matter the "amigaone" trademark, is the X1000 as it has been described this far. Completely impossible! You probably doesn't understand why; your use of the words "real" and "true" in combination with "amigan" in your posts (as well as the assumption that normal people (the masses) actually cares about CPU's beyond "available, cheap and powerful") shows all the signs of that much too long stay at "amigans.net" that usually leads to a misconceived perception of reality that "Amiga" would be something that it's not.
Sorry.
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What aspect is impressive to you?
Personally, I'm kind of impressed that anyone actually managed to bring the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga brands together under one roof for the first time since the Commodore bankruptcy (something I'm sure that many people has dreamed of during the years), that they are working on a complete remake of the bread-box C64, that they will use this for new, modern Commodore Amiga computers that not only plays all the C64 and Amiga games and applications that returning Commodore Amiga fans would expect, but also offering the 2010 level applications that everyone expects today.
Whether they will really pull it off or not remains to be seen, but all the aspects of their ambitions impresses at least me!
:)
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Wow! Say what you will, the website is gorgeous, and I <3 the product mock-up images. Good luck!
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Erm...what are the "Handling Gloves" for?
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But the plastic prototype...
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype02.jpg) (http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype06.jpg) (http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype07.jpg)
Where did you get those pics??? :confused:
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Where did you get those pics??? :confused:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx
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http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Prototype.aspx
/me falls and hits floor
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Maybe CommodoreUSA is all hype and non of this will ever see the light of day but if any of these products come out, I kind of like their approach a little better than Hyperion/A-eon in grasping the old charm of the Commodore platform with using newer tech. I digg the new X1000 and would buy one today if it was for sale (that coming from a non Amiga junkie I think says something) but for me, it has kind of sputtered out between announcement and actual product hitting the shelves. I am quickly growing tired of the wait. I like a little of the waiting, as I lived with all of that in my old Atari days, but too much of it starts growing long in the tooth.
So, for me, I am a little impressed with their web site and some of the concepts they are talking about. The slick black cases like the A1000 is cool. This is all art right now though other than that C64 one where they have a case but to me, they did go a bit further in making their own case, even if it was styled after the C64, for this system they will sell. That in itself tells me a little more over this product line versus the A-eon X1000.
Now, which one will be for sale first? :roflmao: I think I will be buying a Atari Firebee first I bet since they seem to be really getting things done over there lately.
Maybe a poll is in order. Any system from Cusa or the X1000 or the Natami dealie-bob. :hammer:
tj
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I thinnk it's purdy ... Supposedly the case is supposed to be available seperately =]
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I thinnk it's purdy ... Supposedly the case is supposed to be available seperately =]
I'm shocked actually. While I am still not crazy about using community art without permission, I may have to take a 180 on my opinion. That is certainly a lot more than slapping a label on a Zpc.
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Personally, I'm kind of impressed that anyone actually managed to bring the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga brands together under one roof for the first time since the Commodore bankruptcy (something I'm sure that many people has dreamed of during the years), that they are working on a complete remake of the bread-box C64, that they will use this for new, modern Commodore Amiga computers that not only plays all the C64 and Amiga games and applications that returning Commodore Amiga fans would expect, but also offering the 2010 level applications that everyone expects today.
Whether they will really pull it off or not remains to be seen, but all the aspects of their ambitions impresses at least me!
:)
Now that you mention it, that act alone might be more impressive than the even the creation of the Amiga itself. It only took overcoming engineering obstacles to create the Amiga. CUSA had to battle (IP) Trolls.
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OK, I'm impressed with their success in securing the use of the "Commodore Amiga" name, but I'm not happy with their stealing of artwork -- and confused by the countless new models that they keep announcing (with computer-rendered artwork) before actually releasing anything of use.
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MorphOS is Amiga done right anyway, so...
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
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Man, I miss IWin and PowerOS!
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I'm shocked actually. While I am still not crazy about using community art without permission, I may have to take a 180 on my opinion. That is certainly a lot more than slapping a label on a Zpc.
Thanks for the input, red. As I'm sure you're aware, others respect your opinion.
Guys, I had to drop out of this for a while (and go to work).
Coming back into this thread, its nice to see so many posts that are giving CUSA the benefit of the doubt.
If successful, this venture brings back trademarks that have sat unused for too long. Personally, I wish them good luck.
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OK, I'm impressed with their success in securing the use of the "Commodore Amiga" name, but I'm not happy with their stealing of artwork -- and confused by the countless new models that they keep announcing (with computer-rendered artwork) before actually releasing anything of use.
OK, since this keeps coming up, how about anyone who has never used anyone else's art without permission please step forward. I keep hearing people complain about that, and yet I have never met anyone over the age of about 3 that hasn't used someone else's "IP" without permission.
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OK, since this keeps coming up, how about anyone who has never used anyone else's art without permission please step forward. I keep hearing people complain about that, and yet I have never met anyone over the age of about 3 that hasn't used someone else's "IP" without permission.
BUT, they're doing so for commercial purposes. That's a big difference.
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Every single person on this board has committed copyright violations. We see 'stolen' artwork in peoples avatars all the time.
Are these people selling or attempting to sell these avatars to members of the public?
BUT, they're doing so for commercial purposes. That's a big difference.
That he deliberately has chosen to ignore on several threads already.
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WTF...Don't tell me this place is turning into legaleagle.org again? Don't you arm chair lawyers tire of this IP and copyright law BS. FFS, we're talking about a product line that's been dead for nearly 20 years.
Now...back to the pair-o-wanking gloves you get when you buy one of these prestigious devices :lol:
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WTF...Don't tell me this place is turning into legaleagle.org again? Don't you arm chair lawyers tire of this IP and copyright law BS. FFS, we're talking about a product line that's been dead for nearly 20 years.
Now...back to the pair-o-wanking gloves you get when you buy one of these prestigious devices :lol:
I hope you spend hours working on some cool Amiga artwork/mock-up, only to find it tomorrow on the C=USA website without your permission. Get it?
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I hope you spend hours working on some cool Amiga artwork/mock-up, only to find it tomorrow on the C=USA website without your permission. Get it?
I wouldn't spend hours working on Amiga artwork in the first place :lol:
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WTF...Don't tell me this place is turning into legaleagle.org again? Don't you arm chair lawyers tire of this IP and copyright law BS. FFS, we're talking about a product line that's been dead for nearly 20 years.
Either you run a serious business or you don't.
If you're a serious business you tend to respect IP law.
If your attitude is "I'll do whatever I want, until Im caught", that doesn't inspire me to spend money on you.
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Either you run a serious business or you don't.
If you're a serious business you tend to respect IP law.
If your attitude is "I'll do whatever I want, until Im caught", that doesn't inspire me to spend money on you.
You're joking right? Who is gonna spend serious money on anything Amiga related? :lol:
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Presumably people who spend time on amiga forums.
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I hope you spend hours working on some cool Amiga artwork/mock-up, only to find it tomorrow on the C=USA website without your permission. Get it?
The same could be said about those dirty thieves using my precious artwork for their own pleasure as avatars. I do get it. You are a hypocrite. When you do it, it is OK, and when someone else does it, it is 'stealing'.
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Either you run a serious business or you don't.
If you're a serious business you tend to respect IP law.
If your attitude is "I'll do whatever I want, until Im caught", that doesn't inspire me to spend money on you.
Because companies like Microsoft are not serious businesses. Right? You obviously have some really screwy definition of serious business.
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Presumably people who spend time on amiga forums.
Uh-huh, and this site has how many active users? :lol:
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I do get it.
Clearly not, but it's clear that you're deliberately ignoring the difference in order to name call.
Fair play.
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Are these people selling or attempting to sell these avatars to members of the public?
Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?
That he deliberately has chosen to ignore on several threads already.
Yes, he has ignored people who did not own the copyright on the artwork. As far as I know, not once has CUSA ignored the request of the copyright owner to remove the art. You don't get to decide what is done with that artwork any more than CUSA does.
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So far, I haven't seen anyone complain about their art work being stolen.
And when this non-issue has come up in the past, Barry has stated that if it was an issue then he'd hoped the IP holder would contact him so that he could negotiate compensation.
You guys are awfully preachy when you mention this.
I think you're grasping at straws to justify your prejudiced opinions.
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Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?
We've had this conversation before (twice now, I think).
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You guys are awfully preachy when you mention this.
Not been here long have you :lol:
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I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.
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I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.
It doesn't, but that's not gonna stop our resident armchair lawyers having a sook about it :lol:
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I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.
Having the legal right doesn't so much, but the name itself does have some value, even if only to the nostalgia crowd.
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If you check their website under products...
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore) So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.
Steven
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I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.
Then you don't understand why people would buy boing ball mice or keyboards either (but they do).
Looking at the artwork, the 1000, 2000 and 3000 look a lot like black Amigas. With Commodore and Amiga logos, I can see the appeal.
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If you check their website under products...
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore) So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.
Steven
Steven, once they start selling systems, what will you focus your complaints on?
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Okay lets talk again when they actually have available for purchase all 7 of the computers on their current website, and the "NEW OS" available. Thats 8 new products they have to release. They better get busy, this could take years.
Steven
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Okay lets talk again when they actually have available for purchase all 7 of the computers on their current website, and the "NEW OS" available. Thats 8 new products they have to release. They better get busy, this could take years.
Steven
I'd settle for any of the models, outside of the Phoenix, being available for sale.
We'll have to thrash this topic over again if nothing shows up in Q1 2011.
And I'll agree with you that the "New OS" is over reaching for what is probably re-packaged emulation.
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Most likely it will be ubuntu with an amiga theme and euae/vice.
Announcing a new AMIGA OS when your just doing that is part of my problem with them, much like slapping a sticker on an existing product and announcing your "NEW COMMODORE COMPUTERS".
A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.
Steven
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You be hard pushed to find a bigger fan of the names Commodore & Amiga than me, but what does it matter that CommodoreUSA are using the these names. Anyone who has the smallest inkling of what the C64 or Amiga really is won't be fooled into thinking these machines are the real thing.
If some unsuspecting numptie comes along and buys one of these things then hey, thats tough luck for them if they think they are getting the real deal, they should have done their homework first before parting with their cash. All the views expressed here including mine won't make the slightest bit of difference to CommodoreUSA.
They are nothing more than us Amiga users passing the time with some idle chit chat very much like the Natami thread has become (do the folk who post and argue about which processor it should have used really think there going to affect the end product, I think not... :))
So lets remember whatever our feelings and views on CommodoreUSA are, at the end of the day nothing any of us say here will matter one little bit to them and whatever their business plan may be... :)
Carry on debating... it's all in the name of entertainment... :)
(PS:I've just nicked the Commodore logos from their site to use on my site as I thought they were quite well done and better than the one's I'd nicked from another site... :))
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I don't know if I'm going to buy any of those that's too early to sat..but I must say they do the exact thing I think can be done with Commodore-Amiga names today.
Can we forget already that a startup could pick up from where the old Commodore where and produce new unique hardware ? That's impossible the world has changed too much. If you want to get anywhere without pumping in insane amount of money you got to use off shelf hardware. And off shelf hardware might even last longer than home brew hardware because it's tested more. Also what's under the hood is not of importance to me. Price and how the computer behaves is more important.
The big question mark for me is "What is WB 5 ?" It might be good, it might not. The ideal situation would be of course OS4 or MOS or AROS being sold with these machines. That's not realistic to happen so C=USA got to do something on their own. This is where I'm very sceptic but I don't have a need to flame them already. I want to see it first. If they are financially strong they could always hire good coders to make WB5 a nice distro or whatever you want to call it.
The PC64 is a different beast. That I believe can sell. And I think this is the project C=USA is really about today. Much hangs on how well this goes out to the retro people. Many here say they could just grab a C64 and do it themselves. I have one in my closet but I would never have the heart to break it apart for something like that. Not even if it were a broken one off ebay. If you don't understand why PC64 could sell then maybe the VIC or C64 wasn't your first computer. It's all about nostalgy here.
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Also what's under the hood is not of importance to me. Price and how the computer behaves is more important.
That's an odd statement... :confused:
If what's under the hood doesn't matter then you be quite happy to buy a load of junk just because it was cheap and behaved well. What happens when the pile of junk you bought breaks down after six months do you continually go on buying junk until you've spent more than you would have if you initially paid out on some decent hardware ???
One thing I've learnt over the years is if you want the best you have to pay for it, being a skinflint usually costs you more in the long run... :)
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That's an odd statement... :confused:
If what's under the hood doesn't matter then you be quite happy to buy a load of junk just because it was cheap and behaved well. What happens when the pile of junk you bought breaks down after six months do you continually go on buying junk until you've spent more than you would have if you initially paid out on some decent hardware ???
One thing I've learnt over the years is if you want the best you have to pay for it, being a skinflint usually costs you more in the long run... :)
Sorry I did not mean it like that. I meant it doesn't matter if there's AMD Intel PPC or whatever. But the price needs to be reasonable and I they won't get any problem with motherboards if they use well tested off the shelf hardware from known distributon channels . I'm not hoping for Apple prices. For example I don't think my McBook is superior to my Thinkpad just because it cost more.
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@ Manu
Ahh... I did wonder if you really meant it to come across like that. I see what you mean now, and having bought two second hand iMacs I certainly wouldn't pay the retail price for one of their machines... :)
(they may be good quality & components in a mac but most of the price is paying for the name & the looks...:))
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Well, I am happy as a clam about current developments. Very interesting to see the prototype pic's. Very interesting times. Good tactical move to start with the c64 to pickup momentum for the Amiga models.
I say Go C=USA. Take the dream.
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@Belial6
>>I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.
What do you mean? Sorry I don't understand... "I have seen the case for the Minimig. No you can't"?!? What?
Real Amigans do exist, of course they do. They are on these fora, 90% of Amigans on this very forum have been bashing and making fun of CUSA why do you think?
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Damn how'd you have the time to ask all of the old Commodore staff what they throught?
I thought those were the only true Commodore and Amiga people =]
See all the previous threads about CUSA and you'll understand. Most people feel offended by CUSA.
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Very debatable, the Fractal case is a MUCH better design, go and read some reviews.
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Its all in the name. Its Mutton dressed up as lamb.
Commodore is just a bunch of butchers and that mutton will stink by next Christmas.
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Is this company trying to sell the artwork to members of the public?
Yes, he has ignored people who did not own the copyright on the artwork. As far as I know, not once has CUSA ignored the request of the copyright owner to remove the art. You don't get to decide what is done with that artwork any more than CUSA does.
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I haven't seen a single sign of a real, factual problem here, not one! Only a handful of people with an obvious agenda, bending over backwards in their attempts to *create* a problem. Like hockey supporters crying "foul" as soon as they *believe* or *want* something to be a problem, even though they are merely bystanders themselves and not part of the game at all. And like the supporters they are, they have really tight standards when it comes to judging the visiting team, but a complete different set of standards when judging their own teams faults.
Couldn't care less about crying bystanders though, when the reason to why I'm really here is for the match! :)
(And BTW, didn't we see that "boxes" theme in another version as well, but they were all blue then, with the text "MorphOS", probably to illustrate the "box philosophy" of the OS? Then they suddenly became red and white?)
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If you check their website under products...
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore) So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.
Please stop shouting about this, when it's so darn obvious that the whole thing currently is a document under work! It's all moving targets! What's the problem? In what way has anyone been damaged or hurt by them evaluating different options to go ahead?
When reading your posts it becomes clear that they at least delivered more than A-Eon. And they don't have a pre-payment scheme set up. And the new Commodore 64 (if it gets here) will at least be something cool and unique, it will have mojo, it can actually use common 2010 level productivity and Internet apps, it will probably be affordable, it will have cool trade marks, and people might actually consider buying the thing. That is: completely the opposite of the "x1000" (if it gets here).
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I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.
Then where have you been the last 10 years? "The name" has been about the only reason to why 99% of OS4 users went that way instead of MorphOS, despite OS4 having less Amiga compatibility, being slower, having less features and lower specs! :lol: But that's only movements within this tight little sealed off community of hobbyists anyway... :)
In a *real* context, the trademarks Commodore and Amiga could be the way to reach those masses of people that once owned a Commodore or Amiga, that sees the new C64 in an ad, looks at its specs, and decides: "heck, this would be a cool thing! Not only can I use Open Office and similar creativity and Internet applications, I can also play those old C64 and Amiga games on it that I remember and cherished! And my friends would be really impressed by its design!"
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When reading your posts it becomes clear that they at least delivered more than A-Eon. And they don't have a pre-payment scheme set up. And the new Commodore 64 (if it gets here) will at least be something cool and unique, it will have mojo, it can actually use common 2010 level productivity and Internet apps, it will probably be affordable, it will have cool trade marks, and people might actually consider buying the thing. That is: completely the opposite of the "x1000" (if it gets here).
All they have delivered so far is a website and a forum - period. A-Eon don't have a pre-payment scheme either - it's called a Beta Test programme which is something completely different. I suppose a Commodore USA 64 (it will not be a Commodore 64, notice the shorting to C=) will for some people be pretty cool and yes have mojo, but for me and many others in will just look a heap of junk.
Cool trademarks? Commodore USA 64 doesn't sound that cool to me nor does Commodore USA Amiga.
If C=USA actually bring a single product to market I would be very surprised indeed to me its just a smear campaign.
Edit: Oh yeah and this Workbench 5.0 is just asking for trouble. Clearly an attempt to confuse the consumer.
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What? No Tablet!
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@takemehomegrandma
Let's leave it then. You believe in your MorphOS and AROS (maybe an indication that you have spent little time on amigaworld.net or amigans.net) so I suggest you get out more.
Again you think I am a fully devoted AmigaOS 4/Hyperion/ACube/A-Eon/red or whatever the f*ck you paint them nowadays, you might be disappointed to know that I am not, I just support what I think is good for the Amiga and when they f*ck up, which they do at times, I get p*ssed at them as much as I do with CUSA, AROS etc..etc...
You are WELL confused my man. You say the world has moved along then you add "the only way to make money is to have this retro gimmick stuff" now explain...
I am not interested in CUSA making money that much, as I said IF they have the name they can slap it on toilet seats as far as I am concerned which would be a shame but it's their property.
>>You probably doesn't understand why; (erm...it's "You probably DON'T understand why")
>>your use of the words "real" and "true" in combination with "amigan" in your posts (as well as the assumption that normal people (the masses)
WRONG! I was talking about the long time Amigans who can appreciate the difference.
>>actually cares about CPU's beyond "available, cheap and powerful") shows all the signs of that much too long stay at "amigans.net" that usually leads to a misconceived perception of reality that "Amiga" would be something that it's not.
Oh my god! Full of misconception and prejudice. I spend more time here than on the other two sites that you clearly hate. I have posted more here than on amigans and have had two accounts here for years.
I suggest you stop trying to make me look like I hate CUSA/AROS/MOS because that is not the case.
I even got invited by CUSA to design a computer case for them, which is something I am still considering so just look how wrong you are.
My opinion (I could be wrong) is that CUSA's market is NOT real (long term) Amigans (AROS, OS4 users etc...) or let's say a small percentage of real (read long term-since 1981, Commodore users).
If they were smart they wouldn't concentrate their business plan on us (long time Commodore/Amiga users) but on the ones who used to be or young generations.
Thanks.
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@Franko
>>(PS:I've just nicked the Commodore logos from their site to use on my site as I thought they were quite well done and better than the one's I'd nicked from another site... )
Oh man that is genius! :)
Just had a look at your site and I am thinking of getting one of those C64 you have got there...when will they be available? :)
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all 7 of the computers on their current website, and the "NEW OS" available. Thats 8 new products they have to release.
AFAIK they will not sell operating systems, especially not Amiga ones. Of course they will have some kind of OS on their products, but I have seen no sign of that being a stand-alone product. Doesn't make sense either...
Announcing a new AMIGA OS when your just doing that is part of my problem with them
But they are *NOT* announcing a new AMIGA OS!
That's the reason to why they won't support/bundle AROS with it; it could put Amiga Inc in an awkward position, since they in their "settlement" with Hyperion agreed to not licensing the Amiga trade mark to operating systems that resembles the Amiga OS 3.x as being outlined in the contract. OK, one could perhaps argue that what Amiga Inc is licensing the trade mark for is the hardware, and hardware alone, and that it's Commodore on their own (who doesn't have any limiting agreements with Hyperion whatsoever) who installs AROS. But that would perhaps be in a grey zone, and a source to potential problems. Best thing to completely stay away from all those Amiga OS 3.x derivates, and base the Workbench 5 environment on Linux with a nice looking AROS theme instead (and if it's easy for the customers to install a Linux hosted AROS version themselves (using the same default theme) when they get the hardware, then everyone will be happy and any potential problems be avoided!)
A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.
I don't think the audience for this product won't care! They haven't been in contact with anything Commodore or Amiga for 1.5-2 decades, and they probably couldn't even start a program today let alone find their documents spread out in the file system if faced with that environment (what, there are folders that are "invisible"?!? Why?). They have grown used to something else. Something with a start menu, and a certain maturity level of applications. All they will want is a nice and easy way to run their old games and apps they remember from the past, when taking a break from doing the "real" computing stuff with the Linux applications. And I'm pretty sure that a hosted AROS would be more than enough for anyone wanting to really "dig into the past". :)
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@takemehomegrandma
>>I don't think the audience for this product won't care! They haven't been in contact with anything Commodore or Amiga for 1.5-2 decades, and they probably couldn't even start a program today let alone find their documents spread out in the file system if faced with that environment (what, there are folders that are "invisible"?!? Why?). They have grown used to something else. Something with a start menu, and a certain maturity level of applications.
Something we agree on...CUSA's market are those people. They will get little money from us here because:
1) They have been bashed to death on this site that they don't even post anymore
2) They know any of us can do what they are doing (apart from the sticker part)
They'll sell and they'll sell well to ex users and new generations.
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Very debatable, the Fractal case is a MUCH better design, go and read some reviews.
There are reviews and there are reviews. The Fractal case is probably a very good design, I don't dispute that, I don't care.
Point though, is that people are whining that one company is in the "slapping brand stickers on third party products", while still supporting another company that has been in the brand slapping business for over a decade. That's my point. I have nothing against basing a new product on existing components. Heck, it makes a lot of sense even.
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Cool trademarks? Commodore USA 64 doesn't sound that cool to me nor does Commodore USA Amiga.
Then I guess I'll bring good news to you; the products will not be called "Commodore USA", but "Commodore". Period.
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/C64Prototype08.jpg)
I think you are confusing the product brands with the name of the company, but that's perhaps an easy mistake to make? The company could as well be called "yada yada inc.", it doesn't matter.
No, of course the real names will be Commodore Amiga 1000, etc...
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@Franko
Just had a look at your site and I am thinking of getting one of those C64 you have got there...when will they be available? :)
The McC64 is available now, just leave a stash of used tenners in a large brown envelope just under the large boulder behind the third park bench on the left (that's left if you enter the park via the west gate and right if you enter via the hole in the fence to the east...) ;)
The Small Print...
These goods are sold as unseen
They may or may not work or even exist
All goods are fully guaranteed as working for at least one nanosecond after they are shipped
Any damage to Life, Limb or personal property is just tough luck
(although any pictures of such an event would be appreciated for my own personal amusement...)
Shipping time is approximately 700 years,
Please direct any queries about refunds or complaints to Care Of: The Bin... :)
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What? No Tablet!
Good idea! Maybe they can license one from Genesi, who has working prototypes! And then make some 1985 retro style plastic casing for it, smack on the logotypes, and off they go! :lol:
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There are reviews and there are reviews. The Fractal case is probably a very good design, I don't dispute that, I don't care.
Point though, is that people are whining that one company is in the "slapping brand stickers on third party products", while still supporting another company that has been in the brand slapping business for over a decade. That's my point. I have nothing against basing a new product on existing components. Heck, it makes a lot of sense even.
Most reviews of the Fractal R2 and R3 are in the high 90% score and it's good value for £90, the case is sound proof and can accept cards in Crossfire configuration (I am talking ATI 5830s which are some of the longest cards out there). It's a good quality case.
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The McC64 is available now, just leave a stash of used tenners in a large brown envelope just under the large boulder behind the third park bench on the left (that's left if you enter the park via the west gate and right if you enter via the hole in the fence to the east...) ;)
The Small Print...
These goods are sold as unseen
They may or may not work or even exist
All goods are fully guaranteed as working for at least one nanosecond after they are shipped
Any damage to Life, Limb or personal property is just tough luck
(although any pictures of such an event would be appreciated for my own personal amusement...)
Shipping time is approximately 700 years,
Please direct any queries about refunds or complaints to Care Of: The Bin... :)
I am in! :)
Can I have two? I have left two brown envelopes full of cash. The third one has gone to my local MP who can't claim anymore for his third property ;)
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I have left two brown envelopes full of cash.
It will of course cost more than the motherboard would have cost you standalone, but I seriously doubt you will have to pay two envelopes full of cash for this one! If it's not one-dollar bills of course! :)
I mean, it's not like you would be buying into the X1000 pre-payment scheme, I mean, paying a huge pile of cash for a computer you don't even know the full specifications of that's still in some vague prototype phase, and on top of that you have to agree to renounce your rights to be treated as a real consumer! ;) :lol:
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@Belial6
>>I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.
What do you mean? Sorry I don't understand... "I have seen the case for the Minimig. No you can't"?!? What?
Real Amigans do exist, of course they do. They are on these fora, 90% of Amigans on this very forum have been bashing and making fun of CUSA why do you think?
What don't you understand. Arn't you the "TheDaddy" that was selling cases for the MiniMig? Those cases while looking just fine as a home project, simply did not look professional. So, I am calling you out on your claim that you could turn a real C64 into just as good of a case in short order.
The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status. The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.
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It will of course cost more than the motherboard would have cost you standalone, but I seriously doubt you will have to pay two envelopes full of cash for this one! If it's not one-dollar bills of course! :)
I mean, it's not like you would be buying into the X1000 pre-payment scheme, I mean, paying a huge pile of cash for a computer you don't even know the full specifications of that's still in some vague prototype phase, and on top of that you have to agree to renounce your rights to be treated as a real consumer! ;) :lol:
You are funny...let the X1000 alone, why do you always bring that into play! Let it be, they must have really hurt you these people in the past. :)
Honestly I don't care any more, many times I thought of giving up on the Amiga altogether but like many other things you just can't. I have long spells where I am absent, work on my designs, hardly check what is going on then I get sucked back in LOL!
I say let them do what they want, there is space for everyone.
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A side note, I have enough linux experience to tell you that linux and amiga os are worlds apart. It may be fairly easy to get linux to look like amiga, but getting it to work anything like amiga os is entirely different.
Steven
If you cannot get Linux to behave EXACTLY like an Amiga with very little effort, then you either have very little experience with Linux, or you are a really slow learner.
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(they may be good quality & components in a mac but most of the price is paying for the name & the looks...:))
And don't forget about Steve Jobs ego...
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What don't you understand. Arn't you the "TheDaddy" that was selling cases for the MiniMig? Those cases while looking just fine as a home project, simply did not look professional. So, I am calling you out on your claim that you could turn a real C64 into just as good of a case in short order.
The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status. The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.
LOL! Now onto personal attacks...My cases didn't look professional, OH MY GOD! Thank you very much.
I am not here to discuss my designs, as I am still waiting to see one of yours.
Ask the hundreds of people who bought the Minimig case what they think, the continuous emails I am receiving asking to produce more.
The Minimig case is an original design, developed with engineering precision. It was meant to cover the needs of many who bought the Minimig board and didn't want it to get damaged. It wasn't meant to sell millions or take on Apple.
You are talking about a single person working in his garage, investing his own money and time VS a company with an alleged $35 million budget so I say go and get lost!
You are talking out of your arsehole. If you listen carefully...you can hear it. :)
The CUSA C64 is just a C64 case with some cut outs for a DVD and the card reader. It looks very 1980s and it's not very original.
I could knock something like the C64 case in a week, probably less but I wouldn't be happy with it because it looks like a C64...see if you can grasp the idea or originality.
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The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status. The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.
@ Belia6
What a load of total cobblers, I don't consider because I am an Amiga user of 25 years that this somehow make me an elitist, it's dunderheeds like you who bandy such claptrap about that are the one who think they are elitist. Why don't you take you silly views and stick them up yer bahooky... what a total numptie... :lol:
@ Kesa
Where you been hiding, I was starting to think the floating turd had got you... :)
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@ Belia6
What a load of total cobblers, I don't consider because I am an Amiga user of 25 years that this somehow make me an elitist, it's dunderheeds like you who bandy such claptrap about that are the one who think they are elitist. Why don't you take you silly views and stick them up yer bahooky... what a total numptie... :lol:
@ Kesa
Where you been hiding, I was starting to think the floating turd had got you... :)
LOL! :) Run for president man, or prime minister...;)
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You are funny...let the X1000 alone, why do you always bring that into play! Let it be, they must have really hurt you these people in the past. :)
It's nothing about that, it's the double standards some people use that annoys me...
I say let them do what they want, there is space for everyone.
There is something we can agree on! :)
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LOL! :) Run for president man, or prime minister...;)
Nah... imagine the number of assassination attempts I'd get, it's hard enough being a coffin dodger let alone dodging bullets... :)
(Although if I did I'd ban PC's and put an Amiga in every home...:))
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As english is not my first language I do use the grammar wrongly so sometimes my posts don't get through as well as I would like them to be, even so, it's not an excuse and I just want to clarify that I don't hate CUSA, as I said before, I even got contacted by CUSA to make a case for them or better include my design in their range, something I am still considering so how would I go on to hate them?
See they even considered someone like me who makes unprofessional looking designs like the Minimig case ;)
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Nah... imagine the number of assassination attempts I'd get, it's hard enough being a coffin dodger let alone dodging bullets... :)
(Although if I did I'd ban PC's and put an Amiga in every home...:))
Yeah...true...but at least it would be fun :)
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LOL! Now onto personal attacks...My cases didn't look professional, OH MY GOD! Thank you very much.
I am not here to discuss my designs, as I am still waiting to see one of yours.
Ask the hundreds of people who bought the Minimig case what they think, the continuous emails I am receiving asking to produce more.
Of course not. Your here to complain about someone elses. Being the only supplier of a product will help in getting people to ask for more, even if it is only a hobby level of quality. I don't blame them. Contrary to your claim, modifying an existing case to fit a board is a PITA. So, if someone is selling something functional you go for it.
The Minimig case is an original design, developed with engineering precision. It was meant to cover the needs of many who bought the Minimig board and didn't want it to get damaged. It wasn't meant to sell millions or take on Apple.
'engineering precision'? Sounds a little like claims of 'mil spec'. Based on the photos you have posted, you have a very loose definition of 'engineering precision'.
You are talking about a single person working in his garage, investing his own money and time VS a company with an alleged $35 million budget so I say go and get lost!
Your cases look fine for a single person working in his garage. They do not look like cases produced by a business. They don't look professional. They look like hobby cases.
I don't care what their budget is, the prototypes of the PC64 cases look very good. They look professional. They do not look like hobby projects which is what most people would get if they spent a great deal of time trying to fit a PC into an original C64 case.
You are talking out of your arsehole. If you listen carefully...you can hear it. :)
I hope you can find the irony in that statement based on the first sentence of your post.
The CUSA C64 is just a C64 case with some cut outs for a DVD and the card reader. It looks very 1980s and it's not very original.
It is not just a C64 case with some cutouts for a DVD and a card reader. It is a reproduction. It certainly takes more skill to produce a good reproduction than it takes to make a plastic box with a few holes cut out of it.
Of course it looks very 1980's and it's not very original. That is the point of a 1980's reproduction. If it didn't look 1980's and was original, it would have failed in it's goal.
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@Belial6
>>Of course not. Your here to complain about someone elses. Being the only supplier of a product will help in getting people to ask for more, even if it is only a hobby level of quality. I don't blame them. Contrary to your claim, modifying an existing case to fit a board is a PITA. So, if someone is selling something functional you go for it.
I am not here to complain about anyone, you are trying really hard to make it look like that. And again you call my design "a hobby level of quality".
Again we are not here to discuss my design which is down to the customers to decide the quality of. You are just stirring shit and your arguments are failing. You, sir FAIL!
>>'engineering precision'? Sounds a little like claims of 'mil spec'. Based on the photos you have posted, you have a very loose definition of 'engineering precision'.
Are you for real? Check the definition or go back to school.
>>Your cases look fine for a single person working in his garage. They do not look like cases produced by a business.
Erm...did I ever say I was a business? Oh my god, do they still make people like you? :)
>>They don't look professional. They look like hobby cases.
You don't look professional either.
>>I don't care what their budget is, the prototypes of the PC64 cases look very good.
ROFL!
>>It is not just a C64 case with some cutouts for a DVD and a card reader. It is a reproduction. It certainly takes more skill to produce a good reproduction than it takes to make a plastic box with a few holes cut out of it.
:) Very funny, keep them coming. You know f*ck all about it and you are still talking.
>>Of course it looks very 1980's and it's not very original. That is the point of a 1980's reproduction. If it didn't look 1980's and was original, it would have failed in it's goal.
Suggestion: go back to school, get a diploma, then get a degree, then do some training then start designing stuff then we'll talk again.
>>They look professional. They do not look like hobby projects which is what most people would get if they spent a great deal of time trying to fit a PC into an original C64 case.
Oh my...never mind, waste of time talking to you, I suggest you follow Franko's suggestion to the letter :)
Waste of time.
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@Belial6
>>Of course not. Your here to complain about someone elses. Being the only supplier of a product will help in getting people to ask for more, even if it is only a hobby level of quality. I don't blame them. Contrary to your claim, modifying an existing case to fit a board is a PITA. So, if someone is selling something functional you go for it.
I am not here to complain about anyone, you are trying really hard to make it look like that. And again you call my design "a hobby level of quality".
Again we are not here to discuss my design which is down to the customers to decide the quality of. You are just stirring shit and your arguments are failing. You, sir FAIL!
>>'engineering precision'? Sounds a little like claims of 'mil spec'. Based on the photos you have posted, you have a very loose definition of 'engineering precision'.
Are you for real? Check the definition or go back to school.
>>Your cases look fine for a single person working in his garage. They do not look like cases produced by a business.
Erm...did I ever say I was a business? Oh my god, do they still make people like you? :)
>>They don't look professional. They look like hobby cases.
You don't look professional either.
>>I don't care what their budget is, the prototypes of the PC64 cases look very good.
ROFL!
>>It is not just a C64 case with some cutouts for a DVD and a card reader. It is a reproduction. It certainly takes more skill to produce a good reproduction than it takes to make a plastic box with a few holes cut out of it.
:) Very funny, keep them coming. You know f*ck all about it and you are still talking.
>>Of course it looks very 1980's and it's not very original. That is the point of a 1980's reproduction. If it didn't look 1980's and was original, it would have failed in it's goal.
Suggestion: go back to school, get a diploma, then get a degree, then do some training then start designing stuff then we'll talk again.
>>They look professional. They do not look like hobby projects which is what most people would get if they spent a great deal of time trying to fit a PC into an original C64 case.
Oh my...never mind, waste of time talking to you, I suggest you follow Franko's suggestion to the letter :)
Waste of time.
I love these flame wars! :laughing:
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What a cock! :)
Slagging off something he knows nothing about (based on the pictures you posted)...WTF?
Read the comments people have left, touch it, feel it, play with it, use it then vomit your personal opinion on it if you must.
Your crusade against the Minimig case makes you look pretty pathetic.
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(http://www.thetrueparrot.com/Cockatoo_sulphur_crested_3_op_525x600.jpg)
Thankyou!
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Make what personal insults you want. It won't fill the gaps in the cases, and it won't make the edges line up.
No, I am not going to buy one of your cases to to prove that they are hobby quality. You have posted perfectly fine pictures showing the quality.
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What a cock! :)
Slagging off something he knows nothing about (based on the pictures you posted)...WTF?
Read the comments people have left, touch it, feel it, play with it, use it then vomit your personal opinion on it if you must.
Your crusade against the Minimig case makes you look pretty pathetic.
Please stop editing your posts AFTER someone has quoted one of them. I put up a witty reply which included a fantasticly brilliant photo but now it makes no sense at all :(
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Make what personal insults you want. It won't fill the gaps in the cases, and it won't make the edges line up.
No, I am not going to buy one of your cases to to prove that they are hobby quality. You have posted perfectly fine pictures showing the quality.
You started insulting my hard work and now you get upset because I call you a cock?!
How does this work?
Gaps in the cases and the edges don't line up? HA! Try harder. Pathetic.
You can't buy my cases you prick because they are all SOLD OUT!
Read again...SOLD OUT.
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Please stop editing your posts AFTER someone has quoted one of them. I put up a witty reply which included a fantasticly brilliant photo but now it makes no sense at all :(
Sorry! :)
I'll come up with some other "insult" soon I have got plenty for people like him. ;)
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What a spanner! :)
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I wake up this morning to see this thread spiraling out of control. I won’t point fingers, we are all adults here. Let us PLEASE get back on topic and not resort to personal attacks?
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I wake up this morning to see this thread spiraling out of control. I won’t point fingers, we are all adults here. Let us PLEASE get back on topic and not resort to personal attacks?
Noooooooooooooooooooo........
This thread is funny:roflmao:
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I wake up this morning to see this thread spiraling out of control. I won’t point fingers, we are all adults here. Let us PLEASE get back on topic and not resort to personal attacks?
Not so sure about the adult bit though...damn it I should have chucked a few more "insults" in before you woke up, missed an opportunity...:)
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in a *real* context, the trademarks commodore and amiga could be the way to reach those masses of people that once owned a commodore or amiga!"
B I N G O !!! there are millions of people out there that used to use COMMODORE or AMIGA !!! I am a perfect example of this... My 1st computer was a Vic 20 followed by c64,128, a1000,500,2000,3000T when I shut off my Amiga in 97 I didn't touch them until a few years ago when I was home at my parents over Christmas and was bored and found them up in the attic. I brought them home with me and they have been used daily for a few years now. In the time I was away I had no idea that Winuae, Morphos, Aros, OS4 exc even existed. I think each camp has become so close minded that they can't see how much potential CUSA has to bringing back old users and software developers. If ever there was a way to catch the attention of old users it is by using the name COMMODORE and AMIGA !!!! I'll wait and see but IMO CUSA has the potential to sell a lot of units bring back many old users that don't even know we still exist..
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One thing I don't get. Some complain about the PC64 case looks too old etc. etc.
HUH ???? It's SUPPOSED to look 80's, is that news to anyone then tell me all about it.
And the plastic prototype you see on their pages came from a printer. It can't look as good as one that came from a injection moulding machine.
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One thing I don't get. Some complain about the PC64 case looks too old etc. etc.
HUH ???? It's SUPPOSED to look 80's, is that news to anyone then tell me all about it.
And the plastic prototype you see on their pages came from a printer. It can't look as good as one that came from a injection moulding machine.
It's just a matter of opinion, personally I think it's a bit weird that you re-invent the wheel. From a design point of view (aesthetically) it should have been a take on the C64 case looks.
Look at all the various retro looking cars and take ons of various successful designs of the past. VW did NOT make the Beetle look exactly the same did they? BMW didn't make the new Mini look exactly the same, Fiat didn't make the new Fiat Cinquecento exactly the same as the original did they? This looks exactly the same as the C64 case.
So you would expect the A1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000 to look exactly the same as the original...they don't. They are black HTPCs.
Never said anything about the prototype...I can get that it is a prototype...
So just a personal opinion.
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B I N G O !!! there are millions of people out there that used to use COMMODORE or AMIGA !!! I am a perfect example of this... My 1st computer was a Vic 20 followed by c64,128, a1000,500,2000,3000T when I shut off my Amiga in 97 I didn't touch them until a few years ago when I was home at my parents over Christmas and was bored and found them up in the attic. I brought them home with me and they have been used daily for a few years now. In the time I was away I had no idea that Winuae, Morphos, Aros, OS4 exc even existed. I think each camp has become so close minded that they can't see how much potential CUSA has to bringing back old users and software developers. If ever there was a way to catch the attention of old users it is by using the name COMMODORE and AMIGA !!!! I'll wait and see but IMO CUSA has the potential to sell a lot of units bring back many old users that don't even know we still exist..
@ don27dog
Your post is the perfect example of why Commodore USA upsets a lot of folk. That's the whole point folk are trying to make here against Commodore USA is folk like yourself who have been away from the Commodore scene for a while will be fooled into thinking (if you don't do your homework first before you buy) that you are buying a brand new Amiga or C64 based on the original machines hardware & architecture...:(
What you will in fact be buying is nothing more than a custom built case with off the shelf parts running an emulator, thats what upsets a lot of folk as CUSA are promoting these things as if they were an updated version of the original CBM machines, which they are not... :(
I mean a company with so much money to spend intent on alienating the folk who may have been most interested in their products makes no sense whatsoever, hell they cant even get their own marketing or wording right on their site...:rolleyes:
Commodore® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, BV, registered in the United States and other countries. Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries.
How on earth can their Amiga range be classed as an All-In-One keyboard computer when the ruddy keyboard is separate from the main desktop box, makes about as much sense as anyone daft enough to buy one of the things... :)
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Having already built a MicroITX motherboard into a C64 case (and yes, it was simple with basic knowledge of how to use a Dremel, plastic couldn't be easier to play the mod game with) the novelty of this idea has already worn off for me, and the system is long since disassembled for use in other projects.
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Well, the site does look much better.
Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers.
I told you guys after contacting Altman, he's serious about this.
And the use of the Workbench name is a brilliant way to side step the Hyperion/AOS trademark issue.
I will pass judgement if he sells the actual C64 case design as in the 3D renders (ditto A1000/2000/3000) the rest of his stuff is of no interest to me as apart from the A2000/500 abominations all Amigas were stylish and those all in one units with stuck on C= labels are pig ugly sorry.
The issue with this guy has always been nobody wants what you can buy but what he has renders of and is supposed to sell in the future. So unless that C64 case styled rendered PC is produced with identical keyboard as shown colour me "couldn't give a crap" :)
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Having already built a MicroITX motherboard into a C64 case (and yes, it was simple with basic knowledge of how to use a Dremel, plastic couldn't be easier to play the mod game with) the novelty of this idea has already worn off for me, and the system is long since disassembled for use in other projects.
The keyboard used is the issue, as it is with doing PC inside Amiga 1200 units I did ages ago. If the C64 ones look exactly as shown and the price is cheap enough then great.
Personally the 64C case is nicer IMO.
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And does anyone take this statement of theirs seriously?
"September 14, 2010 – Commodore USA announced today the selection of Korey Kay & Partners as its Agency of Record for Branding and Creative Development. Projected budget: $30 million."
They have been saying and presenting questionable things for some time now, IN MY OPINION.
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Well, that rules out any traditional AmigaOS or it's offspring :lol:
Workbench 1.3 was stable for me...1 crash a year! Just can't do anything that a modern OS does ;)
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And does anyone take this statement of theirs seriously?
"September 14, 2010 – Commodore USA announced today the selection of Korey Kay & Partners as its Agency of Record for Branding and Creative Development. Projected budget: $30 million."
They have been saying and presenting questionable things for some time now, IN MY OPINION.
It's too early to say really. If they just finished the prototype then they are at the best just about finishing the mould which is a tough job. It has to work in production. Often you have to do test runs send it back to the factory that makes the mould to fine tune it a bit and test it in production again and so on. Kore Kay & Partners maybe don't have anything to market just yet but who knows maybe in 2-3 months we could start to see something. That's my take on it.
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You know something all this claptrap about Commodore USA is really quite pointless, amusing but pointless... :)
I've lasted for 25 years using the original Amiga hardware on a daily basis and original Commodore computers since 1982 when I got my first Vic 20, so whatever CUSA finally produces will not really mean much to me and the same can be said about A-Eon and the X1000, the site still says due late 2010 and even when you signed up for their mailing list you don't even get one email from them sod the lot of em I say... (http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Commodore%20Scotland%20Pics/SheepAvatar01.gif)
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Yes, I think we're all getting rather tired of this preannouncement nonsense. But the worst of the worst is stuff like the "new Commodore Amiga 2000" -- clearly just a concept at this time, otherwise they might actually show something like a real picture. Do you think Jens would ever do something like that? (A company can choose to destroy their own credibility, like Amiga Inc., for example.)
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And does anyone take this statement of theirs seriously?
"September 14, 2010 – Commodore USA announced today the selection of Korey Kay & Partners as its Agency of Record for Branding and Creative Development. Projected budget: $30 million."
They have been saying and presenting questionable things for some time now, IN MY OPINION.
With a projected budget like that, they must be projecting sales of at least a few hundred thousand Amiga machines. Credibility problem?
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The keyboard used is the issue, as it is with doing PC inside Amiga 1200 units I did ages ago. If the C64 ones look exactly as shown and the price is cheap enough then great.
Personally the 64C case is nicer IMO.
I used a Keyrah which allowed the use of the C64's keyboard on the PC.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even actually have these cases in their possession yet, just took pictures of the cases off the internet and started hyping new machines they haven't even made real prototypes for yet. I love their website making all these announcements...
Go to their forums, people are asking about specifics... No answers, through someone did all but say "workbench 5" will just be linux.
30 million dollars, thats their budget just for one aspect of their so called business? Yeah right, I guess they spend 10 million dollars developing commodore stickers to slap on zpc's too.
In other news, I'm creating my own commodore (and amiga) company and website... No really I am. I haven't decided what I'm going to sell yet, BUT it will all be branded commodore and commodore amiga. I personally challenge Barry Altman, CUSA, Amiga inc, Bill Mcsilly, Hyperion or anyone else to sue me to try and enforce any commodore or amiga trademarks or copyrights.
Steven
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I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even actually have these cases in their possession yet, just took pictures of the cases off the internet and started hyping new machines they haven't even made real prototypes for yet. I love their website making all these announcements...
Go to their forums, people are asking about specifics... No answers, through someone did all but say "workbench 5" will just be linux.
30 million dollars, thats their budget just for one aspect of their so called business? Yeah right, I guess they spend 10 million dollars developing commodore stickers to slap on zpc's too.
In other news, I'm creating my own commodore (and amiga) company and website... No really I am. I haven't decided what I'm going to sell yet, BUT it will all be branded commodore and commodore amiga. I personally challenge Barry Altman, CUSA, Amiga inc, Bill Mcsilly, Hyperion or anyone else to sue me to try and enforce any commodore or amiga trademarks or copyrights.
Steven
:laughing::laughing:
Snowmachine springs to mind
Seriously go for it! Don't forget to include a pet tortoise or something on the About Us page. You could have a domain name that is one letter different to theirs. Or even a typo like domain name, idk off hand you could have http://www.vommodoreusa.net or http://www.commodoresa.com!
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I forgot, I'll also have to compete with commodore scotland for google rankings. Those damn funny talking wierdo commodore nerds won't be getting as many clicks as me, I guarentee it!
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(http://www.aumro.com/images/tf5center.jpg)
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You didn't edit the "Windows Media Center" to read "Amiga Media Center"!
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The CUSA C64 is just a C64 case with some cut outs for a DVD and the card reader. It looks very 1980s and it's not very original.
I could knock something like the C64 case in a week, probably less but I wouldn't be happy with it because it looks like a C64...see if you can grasp the idea or originality.
Umm...I think the idea of it looking exactly like a C64 was the whole point.
The problem with using an original C64 case (beyond mangling an original) would be the keyboard. You would have to buy a Keyrah adaptor....but I think that what CommodoreUSA has done with the very retro looking PC keyboard is a nice touch.
Gaps in the cases and the edges don't line up? HA! Try harder.
If you read the website you will see these are preliminary prototypes done on a resin printer.
I'm not trying to defend CommodoreUSA but I do think the case (assuming the final will be of the correct colour and be more precisely made) is a retro-product done right. I will remain suspicious of them until I see them actually on the market though...
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@haywirepc
Well if its spiced with humour and tongue-in-cheek am sure it'll be shooting up the rankings! Franko(?) beware! (off to check out commodore scotland) lol
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In other news, I'm creating my own commodore (and amiga) company and website... No really I am. I haven't decided what I'm going to sell yet, BUT it will all be branded commodore and commodore amiga. I personally challenge Barry Altman, CUSA, Amiga inc, Bill Mcsilly, Hyperion or anyone else to sue me to try and enforce any commodore or amiga trademarks or copyrights.
Steven
Hawd ra bus wan wee minute... :madashell:
I'm just in the process of creating a new page on CommodoreScotland.com where I am pointing out to the bewildered that the CUSA stuff is in no way whatosever the real deal... :)
Now Im gonna have to add another page pointing out to folk that your stuffs a rip off too... :(
C'mon geeza brek... :)
(PS: You can't use AmigaUK.com, cos I've bought that one too... :))
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I just registered an undisclosed web address from go daddy.
Now, I gotta go order some sticker making software and that sticker printer paper. After that, I will steal some case pictures from the internet
and start announcing new products before I've even built my first one.
Oh, and I gotta check out apple's website because I'm not going to take the time to actually design my own website, or write my own product descriptions, I'm just going to steal that stuff from apple's website.
(and copy and paste my own product names in)
Hey don't laugh, I copied my business plan from those titans of the technology sector, commodore usa. If that shit is working for them, then I'm cashing in on the commodore and amiga names too.
And yo, my snowman maker "legacy of success" phone app will be my flag ship software product. I'm going to make millions off this shit.
Steven
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Umm...I think the idea of it looking exactly like a C64 was the whole point.
The problem with using an original C64 case (beyond mangling an original) would be the keyboard. You would have to buy a Keyrah adaptor....but I think that what CommodoreUSA has done with the very retro looking PC keyboard is a nice touch.
If you read the website you will see these are preliminary prototypes done on a resin printer.
I'm not trying to defend CommodoreUSA but I do think the case (assuming the final will be of the correct colour and be more precisely made) is a retro-product done right. I will remain suspicious of them until I see them actually on the market though...
1) Erm...it's my personal opinion, it should have been a take on the old design.
2) you have got the wrong end of the stick, the previous poster Belia6 (or whatever) was attacking my Minimig case (gaps etc...) he was trying to say that my design has gaps in the panel which is utter bull.
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I read their latest press release...
"Multi-media advertising for the brand, appearing primarily on national television, will be breaking in time for the holiday season."
Suddently, I realized I never saw any commodore usa ads on national television. I happen to have a friend in advertising in nyc and called him and verified at least that korey kay is a real company in nyc...
So curious, I called there.
Brian Alter in "media" at Korey Kay and partners just told me they haven't even begun filming or editing anything for CUSA yet. He said there is no way anything will be breaking in time for "the holiday season"
Brian Alter stated that 30 million dollars is their annual budget, not their total budget for their advertising campaign. I hope cusa pays them in advance. hahaha.
I can't wait to see 30 million dollars worth of commodore usa ads on national television, and by the holiday season. Maybe the following year their budget will be 50 million. YEAH!
Come on you supporters, this "company" said they were spending 30 million on ads, ads that would start airing on national television by the holiday season...?
Their own advertising people admitted they haven't even filmed anything yet... thats funny. (Maybe they are waiting for their 30 million dollar check before starting work?)
This shit is so funny. Come on CUSA, write some more press releases!
Announce some more products!
Steven
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Damn you guys are tenacious!
I can't believe you're all still tossing this one about!
Hey, someone has had the balls to reunite the Commodore and Amiga trademarks and is trying to resurrect a long dead business entity.
If the endeavor doesn't meet all the requirements that you hold dear in some fantasy of what such a project should look like - so be it.
Its Altman's project, and he's going to do things his way.
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I believe my primary "dream" for a PC is being able to actually buy the damn things
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Damn you guys are tenacious!
I can't believe you're all still tossing this one about!
Hey, someone has had the balls to reunite the Commodore and Amiga trademarks and is trying to resurrect a long dead business entity.
If the endeavor doesn't meet all the requirements that you hold dear in some fantasy of what such a project should look like - so be it.
Its Altman's project, and he's going to do things his way.
@ Iggy
Re: Barry Altman and Commodore USA
Just wondering if you'll stick by your post made on 2nd of September 2010, as you seem to be changing you tune just a wee bit in support of CUSA... :)
I'll give him till Christmas, and maybe even a little longer, but if he can't produce what he's announced then he's dishonest. Until then, he's just doing what plenty of other small computer resellers do.
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The Altman way :
1) Find a bunch of all in one keyboard computers and start a brilliant plan to slap a commodore sticker on them and charge 40% more than the actual supplier.
2) Steal apple's website text for describing computer models instead of writing your own descriptions for your computers. Cut the mac names out and paste your fake commodore names in.
3) Announce 9 computers as new models, only release one, a cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one guy bought, then hire that one verifiable customer to become your new chief technical officer.
4) Steal artwork from amiga scene artists, aminet, or anywhere else you want to.
5) Take alot of rendered images from the internet and call them your "new computer design" without actual designing anything yourself.
6) Take pictures of cases off the internet and announce more more designs.
7) Threaten writers of osnews.com with lawsuits (in writing!) for pointing out the truth about your sham company.
8) Lie about a 30 million dollar national television advertising campaign.
I'm sure there's more but I'm tired of being the guy pointing all this stuff out. I have no axe to grind here, but the truth is the truth. I said it before, this is not opinion, this is all verifiable facts. Any company who has done all this stuff, they are not worthy of any trust at all. Their ethics were in the toilet the moment they at first
launched their first website with the about our products page stolen from apple.com
Steven
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Franko,
I was skeptical about Barry's ability to get this done for the 2010 holiday season (and told him so when I talked to him).
That was the main reason I included the qualifier "maybe even a little longer" in that statement.
And yes, if he doesn't produce something soon, I'm going to have to join the naysayers.
But I can't see the rationale in making these announcements, creating this website, and paying for prototype C64 cases without the intent to generate a return on his investment.
Essentially, what I'm saying is that it would defy good common sense or sane business principles.
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But I can't see the rationale in making these announcements, creating this website, and paying for prototype C64 cases without the intent to generate a return on his investment.
Essentially, what I'm saying is that it would defy good common sense or sane business principles.
I agree with that wholeheartedly, I do reckon he'll produce something but it's not the kind of stuff I'm keen on buying, The Natami looks better for my needs and the X1000 I've given up hope on... :)
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How about a nice AmigaOne? I haven't turned mine on in months.
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Umm...I think the idea of it looking exactly like a C64 was the whole point.
The problem with using an original C64 case (beyond mangling an original) would be the keyboard. You would have to buy a Keyrah adaptor....but I think that what CommodoreUSA has done with the very retro looking PC keyboard is a nice touch.
If you read the website you will see these are preliminary prototypes done on a resin printer.
I'm not trying to defend CommodoreUSA but I do think the case (assuming the final will be of the correct colour and be more precisely made) is a retro-product done right. I will remain suspicious of them until I see them actually on the market though...
The gaps an non-lined up edges are in reference to TheDaddy's cases not CUSA's.
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How about a nice AmigaOne? I haven't turned mine on in months.
It will probably need the battery replacing then :lol:
When I resurrected mine, it flat out refused to start. Tried a different CR2032 in there and it sprang to life immediately. The A1 came in for a lot of criticism, some of it valid, some of it hyped up far beyond the real scale of the problem. However, if there's one piece of criticism that I can confirm without shadow of a doubt, it's that they suck said batteries flat like no other system.
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How about a nice AmigaOne? I haven't turned mine on in months.
What happened to the other project you were needing motivation to do recently ???
Is that out the window again... :)
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I agree with that wholeheartedly, I do reckon he'll produce something but it's not the kind of stuff I'm keen on buying, The Natami looks better for my needs and the X1000 I've given up hope on... :)
I'd have to agree with you that the Natami is more likely to appeal to legacy system user's than anything CUSA will produce.
I don't think CUSA's primary market is hard core Amiga users
Casual users and nostalgia motivated buyesr who want another OS are more likely to buy.
This doesn't invalidate the project, it just isn't going to appeal to die hard Amiga fans.
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Damn you guys are tenacious!
I can't believe you're all still tossing this one about!
Hey, someone has had the balls to reunite the Commodore and Amiga trademarks and is trying to resurrect a long dead business entity.
If the endeavor doesn't meet all the requirements that you hold dear in some fantasy of what such a project should look like - so be it.
Its Altman's project, and he's going to do things his way.
Right here in this thread we have some people complaining that the C64 case is bad because it looks just like the original, and others who are complaining that the Amiga cases don't look exactly like the original. They look like new takes on the old cases.
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What happened to the other project you were needing motivation to do recently ???
Is that out the window again... :)
It is, I've given up on the 1200T and will most likely sell off the good parts.
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Right here in this thread we have some people complaining that the C64 case is bad because it looks just like the original, and others who are complaining that the Amiga cases don't look exactly like the original. They look like new takes on the old cases.
Yes, I'd agree with that. Frankly, I like the way they look and they do remind me of original Amiga cases. If I was going to fault anything, it would be the lack of a tower option.
I haven't used conventional desktop cases for anything other than multimedia systems in years.
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But I can't see the rationale in making these announcements, creating this website, and paying for prototype C64 cases without the intent to generate a return on his investment.
Essentially, what I'm saying is that it would defy good common sense or sane business principles.
The Amiga curse cares not about human intentions!
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The gaps an non-lined up edges are in reference to TheDaddy's cases not CUSA's.
Again, there aren't any...stop freaking trying to throw dirt on my work.
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As I said I am working on projects that might become part of CUSA stock so stop trying to make me look like I hate them as I don't...for obvious reasons ;)
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I am hoping that they are successful with the PC64, so that they can rationalize more retro replica cases.
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The Amiga curse cares not about human intentions!
How very right you are. The curse often seems to render people's intentions unfathomable.
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The Daddy's Minimig cases are a high quality product. End of story.
@Belial6 - there all SOLD OUT!!! do you hear me SOLD OUT.
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1. Build website and load it with Commodore and Amiga prototypes
2. ???
3. Profit!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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@thread
Since Asiarim is Yeahronimo Media Ventures, if you think this is confusing now, just wait until the "other Commodore companies" start making announcements.
You have a poster on this site who stated the name "C64" is under license to someone else mentioned in the Hyperion/AI settlement, for example.
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@thread
Since Asiarim is Yeahronimo Media Ventures, if you think this is confusing now, just wait until the "other Commodore companies" start making announcements.
You have a poster on this site who stated the name "C64" is under license to someone else mentioned in the Hyperion/AI settlement, for example.
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That only leads to the obvious question...
Who is #1?
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That only leads to the obvious question...
Who is #1?
The OP (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=598620&postcount=1).
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@thread
Since Asiarim is Yeahronimo Media Ventures, if you think this is confusing now, just wait until the "other Commodore companies" start making announcements.
You have a poster on this site who stated the name "C64" is under license to someone else mentioned in the Hyperion/AI settlement, for example.
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Asiarim isn't Yeahronimo Media Ventures.
Yeahronimo Media Ventures bought the Commodore name from Tulip in 2005 for $24 million.
Asiarim then bought it from Yeahronimo for about 2.3 million Euro, but they haven't actually paid for it yet, and I'm not sure how they intend to pay for it.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/101115/armc.pk10-q_a.html
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Asiarim isn't Yeahronimo Media Ventures.
Yeahronimo Media Ventures bought the Commodore name from Tulip in 2005 for $24 million.
Asiarim then bought it from Yeahronimo for about 2.3 million Euro, but they haven't actually paid for it yet, and I'm not sure how they intend to pay for it.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/101115/armc.pk10-q_a.html
I tend to follow people, not company names.
No matter how you look at it, it is still:
Ben van Wijhe, President and CEO of the Company.
Yeahronimo (http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activities-management/company-structures-ownership/5064394-1.html)
a bit more about Ben van Wijhe (http://www.marketvisual.com/de/00082475-3b7d-49f2-befc-e23e06b8d0c1/Ben+van+Wijhe)
As far as the payment goes, I have this one valuation from earlier this year:
http://www.tulip.com/Default.aspx?cms=6&cat=2&art=242&lang=nl-NL
Somewhat a different #, then what was discussed years earlier, no?
some of the bleak past (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=28292&forum=17)
Note the references to insider trading.
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The Commodore and Amiga brands are pretty much toxic assets that only lose money anymore.
Why do people keep wasting money purchasing and licensing them?
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I was under the impression that the Commodore and Amiga brands are pretty much toxic assets that only lose money anymore.
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Because most Amigans are dreamers? And because bigger "dreamers" like McEwen Inc. and now CommodoreUSA can exploit them?
Sad, but true...
(Of course, at first glance, CUSA appears to have a better business plan that McEwen Inc. ever did... but I digress.)
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If he's only paying royalties on units sold and not a flat licensing fee, then he might not lose his shirt.
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If he's only paying royalties on units sold and not a flat licensing fee, then he might not lose his shirt.
Asiarim statement in regards to C=USA relationship:
The License Agreement is for an initial period of approximately 3 years, provided that certain financial and sales commitments are met, and can be renewed subject to fulfillment of certain sales targets and financial commitments.
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