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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: actung_bab on December 13, 2010, 08:59:00 AM
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hi this might be old news but found this news item
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/dec/10/amiga-emulator-coming-to-iphone
looks pretty cool
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Gawd... The Amiga reduced to an iPhone app, very sad indeedy... :(
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The only real Amiga is an iPhone app.
(http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/images/cheshire.gif)
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Gawd... The Amiga reduced to an iPhone app, very sad indeedy... :(
Not sad at all. More Amiga on different hardware equals more exposure to non-Amiga users and more ways to enjoy Amiga for current and past Amiga users.
The original Amiga hardware won't last forever (though it will probably outlive you and I). :lol:
I like the fact that the Amiga legacy will be remembered and enjoyed long into the future due to the efforts of many people to emulate it on so many different hardware platforms. Maybe some day the Amiga will even get some well deserved recognition in computer history, for all of its contributions and the silent impact it had on so many programmers & users that can never be accurately be measured.
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Of course it's sad... :(
When you can reduce the mighty Amiga to nothing more than a mere whimsy for numpties and their silly mobile phones and when things like the Natami or X1000 (the site still say 'due end of 2010' does that mean were in for some big news in the next 18 days !!!) take years if ever to appear then that is indeed a very sad state of affairs... :cry:
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Gawd... The Amiga reduced to an iPhone app, very sad indeedy... :(
Not sad. I mean, it's almost 25 years since! It was about time I'd say...
My GP2x Wiz emulates the Amiga also for a while now... bought it for long trips and flights. Playing Superfrog and Turrican makes the time go by quickly :D
The only sad thing is that the Amiga isn't in the position as Apple is now. WITH custom chipset and OS.
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The app can't replace the Amiga, it can only run the software. For people who only care to play the games it might be enough, but I personally like sticking the old hardware together and getting it going. Same reason I don't touch C64 emulators.
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Not sad. I mean, it's almost 25 years since! It was about time I'd say...
My GP2x Wiz emulates the Amiga also for a while now... bought it for long trips and flights. Playing Superfrog and Turrican makes the time go by quickly :D
The only sad thing is that the Amiga isn't in the position as Apple is now. WITH custom chipset and OS.
It's still sad... :(
The trouble with all these silly emulators and apps is, if folk are quite happy to only use an Amiga to play the odd game while sitting on a train or bus and to them that's all they require. Then the market for real Amiga hardware either new or second hand is reduced even further because the aforementioned folk would most likely never bear to part with the cash to buy the real stuff... :(
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I agree that this is sad, indeed. This crap does nothing to keep the Amiga in front of anyone. Not the real Amiga.
Now, if I could just figure a way to make all these damned iPhones explode at once.... :roflmao:
Oh, and just nitpicking, but this isn't even posted in the correct place :rtfm:
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More Amiga on different hardware equals more exposure to non-Amiga users and more ways to enjoy Amiga for current and past Amiga users.
The truouble is that this kind of emulator is really nothing more than a runtime for a few selected games (think 10 with 2 of them being real classic games). Nothing else will run. Apples policies are draconian.
No Amiga here ... move on. :(
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Yeah, the whole running only certain games thing stinks.
There's also an Amiga emulator for Android with no such limitations.
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_games/arcade_and_action/uae4droid_bzmu.html
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The Amiga has reached it's highest level of evolution in becoming an iPhone app. Congratulations Amiga!
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Now, if I could just figure a way to make all these damned iPhones explode at once.... :roflmao:
Not just iPhones, all ruddy mobile phones should be made to explode and blow the heads of the sad gits who think that they can't live without them... :lol:
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Not sad at all. More Amiga on different hardware equals more exposure to non-Amiga users and more ways to enjoy Amiga for current and past Amiga users.
The original Amiga hardware won't last forever (though it will probably outlive you and I). :lol:
I like the fact that the Amiga legacy will be remembered and enjoyed long into the future due to the efforts of many people to emulate it on so many different hardware platforms. Maybe some day the Amiga will even get some well deserved recognition in computer history, for all of its contributions and the silent impact it had on so many programmers & users that can never be accurately be measured.
thats what l thought too and l dont even have iphone . if get amiga brand back lime light thats got be great . can get amiga people talking to others about this app they might get
idea joining amiga org to learn more check out other knowlege of amiga games then hello they get hookerd and want real hardware
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thats what l thought too and l dont even have iphone . if get amiga brand back lime light thats got be great . can get amiga people talking to others about this app they might get
idea joining amiga org to learn more check out other knowlege of amiga games then hello they get hookerd and want real hardware
Yeah, I think that there is the possibility of the Amiga community growing, but I am not one of the Amiga fans that still believes that the Amiga will ever make a serious come-back, or ever have close to the number of users that the Amiga community once had 15 to 20 years ago.
With that perspective I do however hope that we can get as many old Amiga users back as possible and also hopefully get some new Amiga users along the way too.
My current focus is to try to get more people interested in programming on and for the many different flavors of the Amiga experience (AmigaOne's w/AmigaOS4.x, Mac G4's w/MorphOS2.x, x86 w/AROS and MiniMig/FPGAArcade/C-One/Natami/WinUAE/EUAE & Classic Amiga hardware with AmigaOS3.x) without any fighting or jealousy. Just good "Amiga" users & programmers creating new apps & games for all of us to use and enjoy, and/or porting existing apps & games from other platforms to the "Amiga" platforms we use and enjoy today!
We need more of this:
:knuddel: (cooperation, tolerance & appreciation)
& :rolleyes: + :idea: (ideas) which lead to
this :rtfm: (new or newly ported "Amiga" programs & games)
which give us this ;) (satisfaction & friendships)
which also leads
to this :laugh1::biglaugh::rofl::razz::D :drink: :banana: (partying together)
and less of this:
:argue: or this :rant: :angryfire:
or this :whack:
or this :griping:
or this :smack:
unless it is done for fun and games,
like this :swords:
or this :quickdraw:
or this
:flame::destroy:
(smiley fun for 2010)
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Gawd... The Amiga reduced to an iPhone app, very sad indeedy... :(
Totally sad, and more sad with the modern pronoun "I".
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Technology evolution is part of the ecosystem. Face it, in a few years your watch will have more speed and power than the fastest Amiga ever built and will be able to emulate it perfectly.
I remember the days of boast 'You'll never be able to emulate an Amiga because of the custom chips and hardware, blah, blah, blah' and it was quite humbling to see UAE the first time.
Actually, I had a friend who was a die hard Mac fan and he showed me MacUAE with quite the smug look on his face. I was quite surprised when I first saw it but it was inevitable.
I know many people here don't like emulators but I think they serve some great functions:
-They are a low cost, low maintenance way to relive your memories without the need to purchase new 'used' hardware which can be expensive and space consuming.
-It allows someone who would have never purchased an Amiga when they were new to have the opportunity to experience what it was really like. Granted, the experience isn't 100% accurate as saying sitting down in front of an Amiga 3000 but its still very close.
-Hardware will only continue to dry up and prices will soar so only the die hard collectors will be inclined to invest in keeping their collections functioning.
-Emulators allow people to experiment with the hardware in ways that could never be achieved in real life. Having 32 meg of Chip Memory, much faster drive access, etc...
Toni has done such a fantastic job with WinUAE that he really deserves a great deal of credit. My only wish list addition would be for WinUAE to emulate the MMU of an 030 for AMIX but its a minor detail. However, Toni is amazing...
Cheers!
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@amigadave
This may be the first time I have disagreed with you. I do agree with all of your points concerning emulators, MorphOS, etc., but I draw the line at iPhone "apps" "Amiga". I use Amikit these days and like it, with the exception of trying to get my old Amiga software installed (That was easy when I had an A1200 with CD burner, but...)
I still try to support most things Amiga. But I fail to see how supporting the iPhone does this in any way shape or form. The iPhone is way down on my list of cell phones.
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I do understand where everyone is coming from who don't think this App is a good idea but that is one of the great things about this community, we have diverse views..
I've got the C64 app from the same publisher and I'm looking forward to the Amiga one, as far as I'm concerned the more people Amiga (in whatever incarnation) reaches, the better...
I'd like to think that someone not previously part of the Amiga community would be encouraged by the App to go out and get him/herself some Amiga hardware and if that happens we'll all benefit!
(BTW, there is a spectrum app as well, Frank Bruno's boxing FTW!!)
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It's still sad... :(
The trouble with all these silly emulators and apps is, if folk are quite happy to only use an Amiga to play the odd game while sitting on a train or bus and to them that's all they require. Then the market for real Amiga hardware either new or second hand is reduced even further because the aforementioned folk would most likely never bear to part with the cash to buy the real stuff... :(
They wouldn't do that anyway.
It takes nuts like us to buy Amiga h/w ;) :D
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The whole problem with hoping that someone who sees such an app will be encouraged to go out and buy some real amiga gear is it's just that, hoping... :(
as Pentad said
-They are a low cost, low maintenance way to relive your memories without the need to purchase new 'used' hardware which can be expensive and space consuming.
Therein lies the problem, most folk will choose an emulator on a pc for the above reason and are very unlikely to seek out real Amiga hardware for the same reasons.
Most of the so called die hard Amigans I grew up with have taken this path and despite the fact that when they visit me I can't get them off my miggies, the miserable sods wont buy any Amiga hardware and spout the excuse given above. So from experience I can say that apps & emulators aren't a good way to encourage folk back to the Amiga and in fact tend to have the opposite effect... (http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Commodore%20Scotland%20Pics/SheepAvatar01.gif)
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The whole problem with hoping that someone who sees such an app will be encouraged to go out and buy some real amiga gear is it's just that, hoping... :(
(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Commodore%20Scotland%20Pics/SheepAvatar01.gif)
I dunno, I went out and bought an Arcade Cabinet after playing around with Mame but then again I'm impulsive and obsessive.:)
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can't bloody stand anything with an "i" in front of it and especially if it has a half eaten apple on it :uzi:
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I dunno, I went out and bought an Arcade Cabinet after playing around with Mame but then again I'm impulsive and obsessive.:)
That's why you're here, your already a believer and a compulsive retro geek like the rest of us... :)
If an emulator or an app can bring someone who never knew about the almighty Amiga into the fold that's all well and good, but you'd need to poke them with a long pointy stick and use a crow bar to pry their wallets open and get them to buy the real thing... :lol:
It's the one's who have lost the faith and turned to the dark side that get right on my diddies, using an emulator on a puk should be punishable by death if you don't have any real Amiga hardware as well. Hit them over the napper with large blunt objects or roast them slowly over a nice hot spit, that what I say... :madashell:
Or failing any of that nail their hands and feet down in front of their orrible puks and leave them to watch a never-ending loop of Doomy singing Only Amiga until the sinners repent...nothing but a bunch of window lickers the lot of them... (http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Commodore%20Scotland%20Pics/SheepAvatar01.gif)
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IPhone sucks. Android is a lot better, my Galaxy S will murder the Iphone 4. Just wanted to say that! :)
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Natami or X1000 (the site still say 'due end of 2010' does that mean were in for some big news in the next 18 days !!!)
typo, it should be like 12010 ...
OTOH, forget about the iphoney. droid is here, and it gives you all you need :afro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbD4kSuxvJA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9IJQnwunbc
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For some reason each time I read the title of this thread, I keep thinking it's related to good old iama (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=545)...What ever happened to that guy?
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Android rocks. In the states there is this HTC droid incredible and it's aptly named.The Amiga emulator is pretty good. Would love to see a more robust implementation. Next to the Amiga I have noot been happier with a technology purchase.
Also have the Ipod touch and will be pickup up that I-Amiga app.
Lighten up guys. If I had 3 million disposable incomde I'd make a super supr FPGA Amiga with 100% cycle exact compatiblity a CPU slot for PPC or whatever. Until then enjoy whatever Amiga implementations we can get.
I will say that I hope the IAMIGA app resolves the floppy loading situation and keyboard mapping issues well. This is required for an Arcade AMiga experience.
I would also like to see hardfile support.
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Watch ? Who uses a watch ?
Hey maybe apple will release an iWatch ?
I'd buy that for a dollar.
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For some reason each time I read the title of this thread, I keep thinking it's related to good old iama (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=545)...What ever happened to that guy?
iama what ???
@ Crom00
Lighten up guys. If I had 3 million disposable incomde I'd make a super supr FPGA Amiga with 100% cycle exact compatiblity a CPU slot for PPC or whatever. Until then enjoy whatever Amiga implementations we can get.
WHAT... it's the only pleasure us old groaners have left is knocking all these orrible app thingy wotsits while we faithfully await the second coming.... :)
@ gertsy
Watch ? Who uses a watch ?
Hey maybe apple will release an iWatch ?
I'd buy that for a dollar.
I hear my old pocket watch is out of date now someone told me they can make them so small now that they fit on your wrist... it's all lies you know.. :)
PS: shouldn't you Aussies be in bed at this time... (http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Commodore%20Scotland%20Pics/SheepAvatar01.gif)
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Well the problem is that there is no more real Amigas for people to buy unless one of us here sells one or repairs some broken ones. You can talk about MOS/AROS/AOS4 hardware all you want but an Amiga has a Paula IC on the motherboard and all they are doing is emulating OCS/AGA too when playing those fantastic games we all love (the reason these emulators exist in the majority) anyway.
I can see why people would buy it, same reason people play Amiga games on their PSP hand held consoles.
But as all Apple iOS products are locked down and I would never buy a phone that forces me to buy products and only from their own outlet then I will just have to miss out on this little event :) iPod has mediocre sound quality and iPad is for idiots :lol:
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(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5126/5260897408_8485b5a453.jpg)
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Well the problem is that there is no more real Amigas for people to buy unless one of us here sells one or repairs some broken ones. You can talk about MOS/AROS/AOS4 hardware all you want but an Amiga has a Paula IC on the motherboard and all they are doing is emulating OCS/AGA too when playing those fantastic games we all love (the reason these emulators exist in the majority) anyway.
I can see why people would buy it, same reason people play Amiga games on their PSP hand held consoles.
But as all Apple iOS products are locked down and I would never buy a phone that forces me to buy products and only from their own outlet then I will just have to miss out on this little event :) iPod has mediocre sound quality and iPad is for idiots :lol:
Thats not even close to true,there are still many amigas out there people can buy that work from ebay,amibay,classifieds,garage sales(car boot for you UK people)etc and you would have to be blind to miss them.I have also repaired about a dozen in the last 5 years and put them back into the world.Most amigas are not that hard to fix.There are some of the battery eaten ones that are not worth fixing,but these become parts for other machines worth saving.
This is just one of typical lazy excuses people use to not use real hardware.Then we have the "boo hoo it costs too much crowd",these guys would whine if an amiga cost a dollar.Most amiga hardware holds its value fairly well if you take care of it,and often you can sell it for about what you put into it so this doesn't hold water.Then theres the old argument that its old and it will break...Well thats life,everything breaks(cars,computers,washing machines etc) eventually and most stuff can be fixed.
Someone mentioned in a earlier post that 8520 cia's are prone to going bad. this is not really true,most failed cia's are user error. Plugging stuff in while the machine is on,or blindly plugging a mouse/joystick with the metal shields and shorting pins or a case of zipping across the carpet in winter to build up static and it discharges when u plug the item in..
The most amazing thing is the people that complain they cant find space for an amiga.. i have to wonder,what do you people live in a place the size of a trash dumpster? can't find space? come on.. the typical A4000 takes up a mere 15X15 inches..and with the keyboard out front,maybe another 7" ...approx. 2 feet total with a monitor setting on top and a keyboard.The A2000,3000 are slightly bigger. A1200 is about the same depending on monitor etc.
As far as emulation goes,it does not help the amiga at all. It does not get new people to using amiga,most just install it to play some games,then usually get bored with it. Most don't take the time to find out about the amiga and what it was,and emulation reduces it to only the OS,which is a sad thing. We wouldnt be here right now if it hadnt been fdor true amiga hardware. I think when you get too far away from that you have lost too much of it.Sadly these days it seems people like putting stickers on any XYZ device they can find and calling it amiga.
Someone earlier was bragging about how you can have 32megs chip ram on a emulator.. well yea thats all good and great,but thats nothing to do with the real amiga, its this very thing that causes crappy code to be written to support stuff like that and not the real machines,contaminating the 68K code base etc.There is so much crap that was written to run on emulators at speeds above the real machine on aminet now and this garbage is mixed in with real amiga apps and doesn't run right on them.Then we have the oddball emulator file formats that have sadly become the standard.
The Iphone app is just the latest sad thing to come its not evolution,its de-evolution.
Emulation does not support amiga hardware builders like E3B,individual,or the last remaining stores like amigakit etc.Without these people we would have no cool hardware to expand the machines. Emulation just drives yet another nail in the coffin.
The amiga is long past its chance to be a leading platform,so "getting it out to the people via emulator" doesn't help us at all and even if it did,its still not an AMIGA.what are these new people going to do suddenly decide to code us a new browser? lol most of them will probably be discouraged in a short time or will simply stick with some canned install they found and play games...They certainly are not supporting current companies..Lets face it with everyone split up in 5 or 6 different directions,we are doomed and will never get anywhere.Its a shame that someone like tony wilen(sp?) doesn't use his vast amiga knowledge to support the real machine,instead of trying to kill it off.
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Watch for my STOP AMIGA EMULATION NOW t-shirts and lawn signs on eBay soon.
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Watch for my STOP AMIGA EMULATION NOW t-shirts and lawn signs on eBay soon.
Hate to see you offend the emulamers bawahaha