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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Pentad on December 09, 2010, 03:13:30 PM
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Here is a link to the article and video:
http://toucharcade.com/2010/12/09/exclusive-look-at-manomios-iamiga-emulation-system-with-video/
Looks good but the mouse operation seems wonky...
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Hmmm... I was just reading an email from AT&T trying to tempt me into upgrading my service and I was looking at an iPhone 3GS... this might be enough to tempt me. :)
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Cool so this is it. We get to see if the Amiga can sell on a robust Apple Os. I hope they sell lots of this. I wonder how they got a license for the roms.
At any rate great news. IT'd be great to get full WB access and usablility on the IPAD.
I hope they release it for the Anrdoid too.
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If you want to see Amiga on Apple stuff, get UAE for Mac OS X. Apples mobile branch doesn´t allow executing "arbitrary" code from outside of the XCode universe, which means that you can only run software that was approved by Apple. So while the iAmiga-App may offer you to download some games there will be no way whatsoever for you to put your own *.adf in or any other data for that matter - not a single byte - no compiler - no basic - no notepad - no anything.
This is not what I call Amiga.
The C64 Emulator for iPhone is the same crippleware. While it includes "BASIC" there is no SAVE and no LOAD-command and it even lacks some keys you would normally use when programming. So in essence you can´t do much more than "HELLO WORLD" on that.
Apple used to have a great attitude towards developers in 2000, but it all went downhill since iTunes became a store. Now it´s all about the big money and Apple tries to forget that open source helped a great deal, when they propelled themselves from their dark ages at the end of the 1990s.
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lsmart basically said it all. Control issues aside, why you would ever want to rely on an emulator that meets Apple's official sanction is beyond me. If it's somehow managed to be not crippleware, that just means that it'll be pulled from the app store at some random point in the near future when the alignment of the stars tells Apple to sacrifice a virgin program to the dread god Jobs.
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Here is a link to the article and video:
http://toucharcade.com/2010/12/09/exclusive-look-at-manomios-iamiga-emulation-system-with-video/
Looks good but the mouse operation seems wonky...
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Thank you for posting this! I was stunned to see iPhone working like Amiga! Fantastic emulator! I have C64 emu here, looks and works amazing! Back in my childhood! :)
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I have never used an iphone before. I don't understand how it works.
How does one press Left Mouse Button?
How does one press Right Mouse Button?
How does one press Middle Mouse Button?
How does one press some key on the keyboard?
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I have never used an iphone before. I don't understand how it works.
How does one press Left Mouse Button?
How does one press Right Mouse Button?
How does one press Middle Mouse Button?
How does one press some key on the keyboard?
This is a good point, Amiga games in their original state do not translate well to touch screens :(
If the game concept is good it is better rewritten to take advantage of the modern interface :)
If I'm really honest, my enthusiasm for an Amiga emulator on a modern smart phone has dropped to zero... The Amiga and it's software just were not designed with touchscreens in mind...
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If I'm really honest, my enthusiasm for an Amiga emulator on a modern smart phone has dropped to zero... The Amiga and it's software just were not designed with touchscreens in mind...
Wait for the PSP phone then. ;)
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Wait for the PSP phone then. ;)
Well, I prefer a joystick to a d-pad, but if that's your thing then the PSP phone would be a lot better for some old games... (assuming Sony let you run an emulator on it).
I did a quick audit of all the old Amiga games I still play from time to time... They were all mouse driven, and would need a rewrite to be really effective on a touchscreen :-/
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Well, I prefer a joystick to a d-pad
Me too, but a pad is ok aswell.
but if that's your thing then the PSP phone would be a lot better for some old games... (assuming Sony let you run an emulator on it).
History tells they probably won't.
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What is installed userbase of iPhone 3gs + iPhone 4?
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Yea, I've tried some of the games ported to the iphone and they all suck to play if they weren't written for a touch screen. Even "action" style touch screen games are difficult to control. Even the ones were they have added an on screen joystick and buttons.
This is a good point, Amiga games in their original state do not translate well to touch screens :(
If the game concept is good it is better rewritten to take advantage of the modern interface :)
If I'm really honest, my enthusiasm for an Amiga emulator on a modern smart phone has dropped to zero... The Amiga and it's software just were not designed with touchscreens in mind...
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If you want to see Amiga on Apple stuff, get UAE for Mac OS X. Apples mobile branch doesn´t allow executing "arbitrary" code from outside of the XCode universe, which means that you can only run software that was approved by Apple. So while the iAmiga-App may offer you to download some games there will be no way whatsoever for you to put your own *.adf in or any other data for that matter - not a single byte - no compiler - no basic - no notepad - no anything.
This is not what I call Amiga.
The C64 Emulator for iPhone is the same crippleware. While it includes "BASIC" there is no SAVE and no LOAD-command and it even lacks some keys you would normally use when programming. So in essence you can´t do much more than "HELLO WORLD" on that.
Apple used to have a great attitude towards developers in 2000, but it all went downhill since iTunes became a store. Now it´s all about the big money and Apple tries to forget that open source helped a great deal, when they propelled themselves from their dark ages at the end of the 1990s.
Hey there. I wrote the post in question, took the video.
Manomio's goal here is to release licensed Amiga games through the App Store as games. So, you'd see Defender of the Crown released as Defender of the Crown. IK+ released as IK+. Stand alone titles wrapped in a transparent emulation layer.
Now, there are also plans to release a more advanced Amiga "shell" of sorts that will allow you to play games you've already purchased inside of it. This shell would offer more advanced capabilities like shader-based video effects to render scan-lines, convex CRT glare, etc. Also, TV out and remote control via another iOS device. All for those that want to take the experience farther.
And...has it been all downhill since iTunes appeared? Apple provides the entire Mac and iPhone development system, Xcode, as a free download, fully documented, etc. You can pat $99/year and get your apps on the store, pending approval. You keep 70% profits. Does that seem a rough and lamentable proposition? Have a look at what it takes to get setup to develop and release games on the Nintendo DS and Sony PSP, and tell me how cruel Apple's rules are.
You might find this amusing, also: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2506-iPhone-Games
It is true that Apple has restrictions about executable code running in your apps. But these have loosened. Manomio's C64 emulator is in the store, emulating C64 games and even featuring BASIC. Manomio's approach to the Amiga emulator is not going to be a problem for Apple, either. Now, a straight up Amiga emulator that lets me drag ADFs into iTunes and run them would be great for me and for all of us here in this forum (and that's what this dev build is capable of), but it's hardly a mainstream thing. I don't think gamers who buy the one-off titles to be released through this emulator will lament a lack of emulation flexibility or experience anything negative. They'll be playing the game they chose to buy. That it's running in a virtual Amiga may be of no concern to them. I don't think there's justification for crucifying anyone we're talking about here, Apple or Manomio.
But if the situation still leaves a foul taste in your mouth, well, there's emulators aplenty on GP2X and the like. And perhaps someone will go down this road on Android.
blakespot
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Note that the GameBone and iControlPad devices will be supported by iAmiga.
I've also just updated the story to reflect the info that we just saw indicating AGA support will come sometime after the initial release hits the App Store.
blakespot
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Here is a link to the article and video:
http://toucharcade.com/2010/12/09/exclusive-look-at-manomios-iamiga-emulation-system-with-video/
Looks good but the mouse operation seems wonky...
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I have a very early build of the system. Controls will be finessed dramatically before release.
blakespot
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What is installed userbase of iPhone 3gs + iPhone 4?
Apple were quoting 80million iOS devices last summer... Of which the majority were 3G and 3GS... If someone has access to google I'm sure they could update this for me :)
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Apple were quoting 80million iOS devices last summer... Of which the majority were 3G and 3GS... If someone has access to google I'm sure they could update this for me :)
We are now past 125 million iOS devices out there.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/18/apple-reports-q4-2010-profit-of-4-31-billion-on-20-34-billion-revenue-best-quarter-ever/
blakespot
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This is a good point, Amiga games in their original state do not translate well to touch screens :(
If the game concept is good it is better rewritten to take advantage of the modern interface :)
If I'm really honest, my enthusiasm for an Amiga emulator on a modern smart phone has dropped to zero... The Amiga and it's software just were not designed with touchscreens in mind...
I would agree with this, but I am a fan of emulation.
I was thrilled with the C64 emulator when it first came out but it too sank to zero. The joystick control on it is just not work well for me. Sometimes I can see Bruce Lee because my thumb will block him so I'm trying to move it about and it just doesn't work well.
I fear the Amiga Emulator with its need for both mouse support and joystick support will be as awkward.
However, I have respect for the folks doing the emulators and I hope they keep coming out for every new digital device. :-)
Cheers!
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Are there any news in this iOS Amiga emulator (or any games based on this)? IMHO this is still not available on IOS :huh: