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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Tension on November 29, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
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Does anybody know if HTML5 support will be coming to AmigaOS3.9/4.x browsers at some stage?
Lack of Flash support has been a deal breaker before in terms of using an Amiga for everyday use.
Proper HTML5 support could be a chance to get actual Amiga's on the net again!
Or is the above statement a bit mental?
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Doesn't OWB support HTML5 ?
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Does anybody know if HTML5 support will be coming to AmigaOS3.9/4.x browsers at some stage?
Lack of Flash support has been a deal breaker before in terms of using an Amiga for everyday use.
Proper HTML5 support could be a chance to get actual Amiga's on the net again!
Or is the above statement a bit mental?
I don't know why AOS4 wouldn't support HTML5. OWB under MorphOS supports it. But its still not an adequate substitute for flash as html isn't used on nearly as many sites. Some YouTube videos will run with it (not all), and it still requires some processor power (but not as much as flash).
I don't think older Amiga OS' would have enough CPU power to run HTML5 unless run via an emulator.
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I don't know why AOS4 wouldn't support HTML5.
The reason (http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=53390#forumpost53390)
Oh and you gotta love the ending comment:
Since most people seem to think the AmigaOS 4.x port of OWB it's useless crap I guess I wont waste my time on it any more.
Maybe you'll find someone else who is stupid enough to port the AROS version (required if you want to have support for tabs) or the MorphOS version of OWB to AmigaOS 4.1, but I very much doubt it.
Sure enough he did quit working on it sometime after this.
MorphOS OWB source code is available here: http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/src/
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reason (http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=53390#forumpost53390)
Oh and you gotta love the ending comment:
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Since most people seem to think the AmigaOS 4.x port of OWB it's useless crap I guess I wont waste my time on it any more.
Maybe you'll find someone else who is stupid enough to port the AROS version (required if you want to have support for tabs) or the MorphOS version of OWB to AmigaOS 4.1, but I very much doubt it.
Oh that IS painfully humorous. What an incredibly stupid comment, Piru.
I use OWB everyday. Maybe it lacks some polish, but Fab's done a great job on it considering he's only one person.
Do they still think they're going to get Timberwolf working? Without any better implementations of flash than we have, and a more complex port, I think they're being slightly over-optomistic.
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Oh that IS painfully humorous. Where did you find that incredibly stupid comment, Piru?
It's in the post I linked.
Without any better implementations of flash than we have, and a more complex port, I think they're being slightly over-optomistic.
Indeed. Some seem to forget that port of Firefox doesn't give you flash. Also, personally I think that it is immensely stupid to not improve any other browser just because some FF port is said to be coming.
I'd advice against putting all eggs in the same basket.
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It's in the post I linked.
Indeed. Some seem to forget that port of Firefox doesn't give you flash. Also, personally I think that it is immensely stupid to not improve any other browser just because some FF port is said to be coming.
I'd advice against putting all eggs in the same basket.
Well I feel reassured that I made the right choice (on OS'), but it leaves me wondering. What do they use as an internet browser for AOS4?
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Well I feel reassured that I made the right choice (on OS'), but it leaves me wondering. What do they use as an internet browser for AOS4?
Most OS4 users seem to be using OWB these days.
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So that's a NO then?
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So that's a NO then?
Well, not anytime soon unless if someone is "stupid enough" to port the MorphOS OWB. Of course HTML5 is also possible via some other routes, but none of them is as straight forward.
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Well, not anytime soon unless if someone is "stupid enough" to port the MorphOS OWB. Of course HTML5 is also possible via some other routes, but none of them is as straight forward.
Since my own Powermac did not run HTML5 fast enough until I upgraded the processor, porting Fab's work to AOS4 probably doesn't make sensde.
Most hardware running AOS4 would not be powerful enough to display HTML5 code any better than my original 933Mhz G4.
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Sure enough he did quit working on it sometime after this.
So Jörg quit because trolls did diminish his great work on the OS4 version of OWB?
Thanks a lot guys. I feel very bad now. This sucks big time!
That day was a sad day for the whole Amiga community. And now continue your ridicule Piru.
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Since my own Powermac did not run HTML5 fast enough until I upgraded the processor, porting Fab's work to AOS4 probably doesn't make sensde.
Most hardware running AOS4 would not be powerful enough to display HTML5 code any better than my original 933Mhz G4.
Erm, on my Pegasos II / G4, I can play 360p youtube clips at full speed using 30% CPU in overlay mode, unlike the "normal/windowed" mode that is heavier and may skip frames, because it has to go through (soft-)cairo rendering. So you should really use the "fullscreen" option (which plays in fullwindow, in practice).
Make sure to read OWB's readme in YouTube section. There are a few things to know :
- adding one userscript (scripts/youtube_fullscreen_fix.js) to unbreak Youtube's HTML5 fullscreen mode.
- adding another one to make non-HTML5 Youtube link play through the builtin HTML5 player anyway (scripts/youtube.js).
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So Jörg quit because trolls did diminish his great work on the OS4 version of OWB?
Thanks a lot guys. I feel very bad now. This sucks big time!
That day was a sad day for the whole Amiga community. And now continue your ridicule Piru.
He rather quit because he was unwilling (or unable?) to make it better, despite the great amount of donations.
And no, I have no problem writing this, after he has insulted my work numerous times. :)
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He rather quit because he was unwilling (or unable?) to make it better, despite the great amount of donations.
And no, I have no problem writing this, after he has insulted my work numerous times. :)
Thanks for the tips, Fab. And thanks for the continued revisions to OWB.
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You shouldn´t equate HTML5 to the Video-tag. OWB 3.30 supports many HTML5 features.
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You shouldn´t equate HTML5 to the Video-tag. OWB 3.30 supports many HTML5 features.
Right. So which other HTML5 features help replace flash video playback?
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ismart
Joerg uses many excuses it seems not to deliver a decent port for the os4 user base. If there was no pay involved maybe public sentiment would be different...
The "someone stupid enough to port the morphos ver of owb to os4" Is my favorite, how silly..
@ Fab
What features do you have in mind for the next versions? Any secret weapons?
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Say what you must, a browser with full HTML 5 support is vital to any current or future Amiga OS 4.x platform. Since, Adobe Flash or for the matter any other similar technology is highly unlikely to appear on an Amiga OS 4.x platform, HTML 5 is the way to go.
Sooner or later more sites will start streaming video via HTML 5. Maybe, then we can start having a more modern computing experience on the Amiga platforms!!
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Well Flash will die a death soon (thanks Apple) so I shouldn't be worried about missing out. Flash is horrendously slow on any non-windows OS I as a Mac user shall be glad to see the back of it. 100% cpu usage, Safari (the browser) crashing or hanging for several seconds is a daily ritual on flash websites ran under Mac OS. HTML5 is the way forward, Flash is yesterdays very mediocre 'technology'.
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Just a reminder to everyone that Fab's wonderful MorphOS version of OWB can not be ported to Aros, AmigaOS3 or AmigaOS4 yet because it uses many new features in MUI4 which aren't included in Zune, MUI3.8 or MUI3.9. However, once Zune is updated to include all these extra MUI4 features, OWB shouldn't be too hard to port over. Zune is an open-source clone of MUI, but is currently only around the same level as MUI3.9 (the OS4 version of MUI) though it can eventually replace MUI on OS4 and OS3 (as it already does in AFAOS).
There is currently a bounty to get Zune updated to MUI4 standards so that all Amiga OSs can enjoy a much more updated GUI and make porting between platforms far simpler. If you are serious about wanting a HTML5 browser for your Amiga, this is a good way to show your support and actually increase our chances of getting it.
The bounty is here - http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/54
The goal of this bounty is an important step towards uniting our fragmented community and allowing programmers to easily port their software between Amiga-like OSs.
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Well Flash will die a death soon (thanks Apple) so I shouldn't be worried about missing out.
That's a bit too optimistic I'm afraid. Flash will be there for years to come.
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ismart
Joerg uses many excuses it seems not to deliver a decent port for the os4 user base. If there was no pay involved maybe public sentiment would be different...
I think that's a bit harsh now. First off, why does he need to make excuses? It was not his job to deliver a decent port to the OS4 user base. That was not his profession, he was not under any contract or earning a wage for doing so. He was giving his own free time and suffering abuse for it. And second, what pay? Donations were made for work already completed, it was not a bounty. I would've thought someone who represents an Amiga user group would have had a more balanced view on things like this...
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There was an interesting spat between afxgroup and joerg. Apparently afxgroup wanted to create a flash plugin for OS4 OWB but joerg would not enable the NPAPI. The exchange was quite heated. As far as I understand it is not possible to complete the gnash bounty (http://amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=31) without a working plugin.
Anyone followed this further? What was the final outcome?