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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: ciento on November 27, 2010, 08:25:36 PM
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Lots of Morphos ready G4s on craigslist, but not with
os X install media. I thought you get os X media as part of the computer?
What is legal status of a 2nd hand owner, are you entitled to os X
as part of the original retail sales agreement? Or must they backup the hardisk to an external drive? Is the PPC os X considered abandonware?
Please advise. And a :hammer: for Apple just because it feels good.
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They would have originally shipped with an OEM copy of Mac OS X. You can still buy new retail copies of Leopard and previous versions from various sources. They support PowerPC and if applicable, Intel. Mac OS X continues to be copyrighted by Apple, regardless of the version or age.
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Just a quick note: You don't need the Mac OS X media to install MorphOS if that's what you're wondering.
Of course having Mac OS X alongside is a nice bonus. Most of my macs are at least dual boot :)
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Thanks for replying. I mainly don't like getting ripped off.
If it came with an installer, it should go with one.
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-465507.html
These folks say an OEM install media 'should' come with the Mac, for
that model only, and that a retail version can be bought for use on the
Mac of your choice, but not including certain i-apps that are on the OEM media.
So I will make low offers on the ones without any install media. Morphos is still not
a household term here, but based on the lack of sales this week, I should get emacs at $30-$50, MDD models between $70 and $120 if media is included, mini at $120 with media, and many types Quicksilvers between $40-$100.
Macbooks average asking is $250, but sell like moss covered lawn ornaments. Too many fast multi-core laptops with prices scraping the margins at the bigbox stores. And Apple owners deeply entrenched in 'technology-moved-on' denial.
Cheers
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Forgot about the iLife stuff, and yes, the licenses were transferred with the system, even if the media wasn't. You can always call Apple or an Apple reseller and ask for replacement media.
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G4 Macs are fucking useless.
Suck on that.
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G4 Macs are fucking useless.
Suck on that.
OSX sucks, but I'm posting this on a Powermac with MorphOS and an accelerator card and it runs pretty good.
Considering the poster you were responding to had a SAM @733MHz my 1800Mhz 7447 processor run circles around that.
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OSX sucks, but I'm posting this on a Powermac with MorphOS and an accelerator card and it runs pretty good.
Considering the poster you were responding to had a SAM @733MHz my 1800Mhz 7447 processor run circles around that.
For me personally, the SAM would be useless.
Likewise, a G4 mac would be just as useless for me.
Anything that doesn't let me watch video online is useless.
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Because the install disks were likely Jaguar (or even Puma) whilst the last system they were running was likely Tiger or Leopard. So the install disks often get filed in a Rectangular container which is hauled away by a friendly man in a truck....
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Anything that doesn't let me watch video online is useless.
That means that the faster G4s (around 800MHz and up) are not useless for you then. MorphOS OWB plays video online just fine.
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That means that the faster G4s (around 800MHz and up) are not useless for you then. MorphOS OWB plays video online just fine.
Are you taking the piss?
Have you tried watching YouTube on OWB or a G4? :rolleyes:
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Are you taking the piss?
Have you tried watching YouTube on OWB or a G4? :rolleyes:
Works fine here.
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Have you tried watching YouTube on OWB or a G4? :rolleyes:
Of course I did. Run smoothly on my 500 MHz PowerMac.
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Have you tried watching YouTube on OWB or a G4? :rolleyes:
Yes. Works fine.
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Yes. Works fine.
How did you do it?
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Of course I did. Run smoothly on my 500 MHz PowerMac.
Please tell me how you did it?
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Works fine here.
How did you do this please?
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I just ran a couple of tests here.
G4 1.25GHz playing YouTube in Safari: slideshow, unwatchable
G4 1.25GHz playing the same FLV file (downloaded from YouTube) in VLC: perfect FMV
Now the one that surprised me, same results on my G4 700MHz.
Technically, it's not "watching videos online" at that point, and adds a bit of work if you want to watch YouTube, but the hardware can handle the video.
I assume OWB uses a similar method to play YouTube?
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Please tell me how you did it?
Simple. When I enter YouTube and select a movie, the script included in OWB adds view (and download) options below the inactive Flash object. Then I select viewing, Flash object gets replaced with internal player. Then it just play the movie. If a movie is available as HTML 5, I can play it directly (I've entered the YouTube HTML 5 betatest page, so I'm always offerred a HTML 5 version if available).
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How did you do it?
I installed OWB, installed the flash plugin from http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/plugins/, enabled the HTML5 mode (http://www.youtube.com/html5) and then installed http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/YouTube.js and http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/YouTube_Fullscreen_Fix.js following the instructions in the OWB readme.
It's also possible to leave out the flash plugin completely and only use html5.
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Simple. When I enter YouTube and select a movie, the script included in OWB adds view (and download) options below the inactive Flash object. Then I select viewing, Flash object gets replaced with internal player.
Sounds better than the method I used on OSX.
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@ Tension
The only way to watch a YouTube video properly on my iMacG4 @ 800Mhz is to let the whole thing download and then watch it, if you try to watch it online/live it's nothing more than a slide show (although the audio plays fine either way). I did at first think this was down to my broadband speed, as you can watch DVDs/Videos no problems offline, but this proved not to be the case as the iMacG5 @2.1Ghz I just got plays video online without problems at the same broadband speed.
I think myself it could be mainly down to MAC OS X being so processor intensive... :(
I assume this thing called OWB is something to do with MorphOs and not MAC OS X ?
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I installed OWB, installed the flash plugin from http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/plugins/, enabled the HTML5 mode (http://www.youtube.com/html5) and then installed http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/YouTube.js and http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/YouTube_Fullscreen_Fix.js following the instructions in the OWB readme.
It's also possible to leave out the flash plugin completely and only use html5.
Seriously? I didn't think Amigas could play flash videos. How come I didn't know about this? This is good news. :)
What is the quality like?
Can the same process also be used to watch BBC iPlayer / 4od as well?
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@ Tension
The only way to watch a YouTube video properly on my iMacG4 @ 800Mhz is to let the whole thing download and then watch it, if you try to watch it online/live it's nothing more than a slide show (although the audio plays fine either way). I did at first think this was down to my broadband speed, as you can watch DVDs/Videos no problems offline, but this proved not to be the case as the iMacG5 @2.1Ghz I just got plays video online without problems at the same broadband speed.
I cant watch YouTube/iPlayer/4od or any of those flash-based sites on a G4 mac mini 1.42 Ghz.
I recommended the system to a friend who wanted a small computer to watch TV on. I thought the mini would be perfect.
How wrong I was.
Never, never again.
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Simple. When I enter YouTube and select a movie, the script included in OWB adds view (and download) options below the inactive Flash object. Then I select viewing, Flash object gets replaced with internal player. Then it just play the movie. If a movie is available as HTML 5, I can play it directly (I've entered the YouTube HTML 5 betatest page, so I'm always offerred a HTML 5 version if available).
Cool.
If more people knew that Amigas can actually be used on YouTube, then more people would be inclined to buy one.
I have stated many, many times on here that the main reason I wouldn't buy an OS4+ machine is because of lack of Flash support. I hate flash, but the sad fact is that we do need it still.
I now may be able to actually consider buying a SAM now...
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If more people knew that Amigas can actually be used on YouTube, then more people would be inclined to buy one.
MorphOS is currently the only amigoid OS that can do it.
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MorphOS is currently the only amigoid OS that can do it.
Aaaaaaah......
I'm saying nothing.
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I now may be able to actually consider buying a SAM now...
As Piru allready pointed out, this only works with MorphOS and the included version of OWB.
Even if the OS4 version would get updated to this point (which it won't) it's rather doubtfull wether the slow 440-SOC based SAMs could handle this.
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What is the quality like?
The quality is only limited by quality of the movie. But, as Piru mentioned, it works only on MorphOS.
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As Piru allready pointed out, this only works with MorphOS and the included version of OWB.
Even if the OS4 version would get updated to this point (which it won't) it's rather doubtfull wether the slow 440-SOC based SAMs could handle this.
It is a shame.
Still good that MorphOS is better than Safari for YouTube though.
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MorphOS is currently the only amigoid OS that can do it.
Finally... something that has given me a reason to take a bit more interest in MorphOS... :)
Is there a site anywhere that explains in laymans terms just what exactly MorphOS is capable of and the minimum system requirements... :)
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Is there a site anywhere that explains in laymans terms just what exactly MorphOS is capable of and the minimum system requirements... :)
http://www.morphos-team.net
http://library.morphzone.org
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http://www.morphos-team.net
http://library.morphzone.org
Thanks for that Krashcan... :)
Even after just a quick look round those sights I now realize that MorphOS is far more than I thought it to be, in fact I'd say it's very impressive... :)
Pity I've bought the wrong kind of Macs though... :(
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Good info about OWB! Think I'll hold out for a Mac with at least one 1.25 ghz cpu, just to be on the safe side. Found a recycler with large inventory, should be able to dig
one out of the bins. :)
I think a sticky on the main page of Morph websites about fundamental capabilities
would yield more license sales than casual visitors missing the not-so-obvious
in the forums.
Cheers