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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Cyberus on December 08, 2003, 07:44:33 PM

Title: HELP! Update - still swearing at MAC, HELP!!!
Post by: Cyberus on December 08, 2003, 07:44:33 PM
I picked up a Mac clone months ago. It came with nothing, so over the course of a few months, I got a keyboard, a mouse and monitor cable.
Today I plugged everything in for the first time and fired it up. (I had to borrow a VGA monitor from a friend too). I got the MacOS screen, then nothing.....
Hmm, I thought,

I put a MacOS9 install CD into the CD-ROM, rebooted the machine....and nothing...well, that is to say the monitor goes to standby, while I can hear the fans of the Mac. But, anyway, back to that CD I put in the CD drive...the CD-drive won't open now!

Arrgghhh!

I'm gonna get the beast apart now. Just wondered if anyone had any obvious suggestions? :-?
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: mikeymike on December 08, 2003, 07:49:20 PM
Macs need to be fed too from time to time, you wouldn't want them to die, would you?
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Cyberus on December 08, 2003, 07:53:16 PM
Arrrgh!

I new when I saw there was one reply to my thread that it'd be a sarky comment!

Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: amigamad on December 08, 2003, 08:07:00 PM
If its a standard cdrom drive it should have a small hole you can insert something like an alen key to open the tray manualy. Afraid i know nothing much about macs or mac clones i had an o40 mac but it done my head in so i broke it up and kept the 32 meg memory for one of my amiga,s. :-)
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: odin on December 08, 2003, 08:10:42 PM
I used this old 030 mac laptop for a while. The stupid thing didn't have a floppy eject button. :roll:
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: mikeymike on December 08, 2003, 08:17:56 PM
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I new when I saw there was one reply to my thread that it'd be a sarky comment!

 :-P  Can't fail to disappoint :-)
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: mikeymike on December 08, 2003, 08:18:44 PM
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If its a standard cdrom drive it should have a small hole you can insert something like an alen key to open the tray manualy.


Paper clip, or the blunt end of a needle sometimes work as well.
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: mikeymike on December 08, 2003, 08:19:23 PM
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I used this old 030 mac laptop for a while. The stupid thing didn't have a floppy eject button.

That's because Apple think it's cool to do that sort of thing in software only.
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: frankb on December 08, 2003, 08:30:16 PM
Quite a bit of this was covered in this forum (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5534).

BTW, which Mac clone do you have?
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: serge on December 08, 2003, 08:58:10 PM
try to eject the CD with a little wire. Put this wire on the little hole in from of your CDrom and puch it.

Then, reboot your mac puching down the left "shit key" . this will try to boot without extentions."same like without workbench startup drawer"
If nothing happends, insert your MACos CD, reboot your mac and puch down this 2 keys : "C and D". This combination will force the mac to boot from CDrom.

You speak about macos9 ! are you sure your mac can boot with this cd system? If your mac is a 68K model, it will not boot. You must have a PPC to boot macos9.


if your mac doesn't boot, maybe it is a little desapointed. you can reset his bios parameters doing this :
reboot it with the combination key : APPLE + ALT + P + R. You will normaly hear a sound, then a reboot, then another sound, thaen another reboot. Dont keep the combination key. The mac ahve to do 7 auto-reboots. After this try to boot normaly or from the CDrom.

Serge

Then, if it
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Cyberus on December 08, 2003, 09:18:32 PM
Thanks for the advice people, I'll give it a proper read

Its a Power Computing 604/133.

I've never even used a Mac before - so I thought I'd give it a go. Also, i've got this cool Latin/Cyrillic keyboard I was hoping to use (I'm learning Russian).

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Then, reboot your mac puching down the left "shit key"
:lol:
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Cyberus on December 08, 2003, 10:03:34 PM
Yay!
I held down the left 'shit' key and it worked!
Thanks serge.

Its got loads of strange old data on it, incl Quark Express and some other stuff. The machine has a zip drive, is the mac os like an amiga, inasmuch as I could copy across some of the stuff to a zip disk, reinstall the OS and then copy the data back?

Cheers
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Linchpin on December 08, 2003, 11:36:55 PM
I held down the left 'shit' key and it worked!

Hope you washed your hands :-)
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: that_punk_guy on December 08, 2003, 11:53:05 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Cyberus on December 09, 2003, 11:49:18 AM
Ok, update:

It will boot into 'safe mode' with the #### key held down.
When I put the MacOS install disc into the drive, it gives me a command line. What do I do now?

Also, I've tried booting off the CD by holding down C and D at startup, and holding down C at startup, but then it boots with the extensions and the screen just goes black. Can I actually boot of CD with this Mac?

Help!!!

Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Wolfe on December 09, 2003, 03:58:20 PM
Command Line?  EEwwwww! Not good.

CD ejection:  From desktop - drag to trash and drop or combo Apple + E.  Or pin hole at last resort.

What version of OS 9 are you using?  OS 9.1 may be OK, but 9.22 is a no go .

Problem with clones : Apple Statement -
Non-Apple computers with a PowerPC processor (clones) may work, but are not tested by Apple and are not supported.

LowEndMac (http://www.lowendmac.com/clones/index.shtml)

LowEndMac may have some of the answers you seek as my knowledge of clone support is poor.

Classic Mac OS can be fun and cool as long as you don't think PC!   :-P
 :pint:
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Speelgoedmannetje on December 09, 2003, 06:01:03 PM
Never knew there were mac-clones! Since when?
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: that_punk_guy on December 09, 2003, 06:07:15 PM
I think Apple licensed MacOS to run on Mac clones (the open 'Common Hardware Reference Platform') for a short time, but then freaked out because they weren't making as much money that way, and stopped licensing for the CHRP boards. Motorolla and Power Computing (maybe some others?) made Mac clones for a short time.

At the time Apple killed CHRP off, there was a version of Windows NT in development for it, which was cancelled.
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Cyberus on December 09, 2003, 06:22:24 PM
Yeah, I have a Power Computing one

IIRC, the Atari was meant as a 68k Mac clone...CMIFIW :-D
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: Mike_Amiga on December 16, 2003, 05:18:21 AM
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by odin on 2003/12/8 20:10:42
I used this old 030 mac laptop for a while. The stupid thing didn't have a floppy eject button.


With Macs you just drag the disk icon to the trash, it then ejects, or that's how it works with Zips, CD ROMs snd DVDs etc.
Title: Re: HELP!
Post by: adolescent on December 16, 2003, 05:46:09 AM
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Mike_Amiga wrote:
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by odin on 2003/12/8 20:10:42
I used this old 030 mac laptop for a while. The stupid thing didn't have a floppy eject button.


With Macs you just drag the disk icon to the trash, it then ejects, or that's how it works with Zips, CD ROMs snd DVDs etc.


Yep.  I always thought that was the most un-intuitive thing for a supposed intuitive GUI.