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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: haywirepc on November 19, 2010, 11:08:11 PM
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I just was thinking, if aros for 68k amiga was made to work, dosn't that mean aros for atari and 68k mac could be next?
That would be kinda cool because the st's are pretty nice machines if you get rid of the absolutely horrid OS. 68k macs are okay I suppose... But I'd be more excited to see aros for atari st's.
I would think atari fans would be too, mint and all the atari st os projects...Well they kind of blow. There are some nice sound and graphics programs for st though...
Steven
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Who is going to port the hardware drivers?
TOS is fine if all you want to do is load hard drive installed games... which is about all an ST is good for these days. Don't forget that there are few accelerators for the ST range unlike the Amiga. Not worth using productivity software for that platform these days. Games and Nostalgia only.
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I think Atari aficionados enjoy their OS as much as we enjoy ours. Hardware wise, their 68K development has continued and gone further than it has on the Amiga platform. So, an AROS 68K port to the Falcon, Hades etc. would certainly be a nice thing for 68K amiga fans.
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A Falcon port would be nice... but my current focus is the ARM... I have a lovely 100Mhz ARM M3 (LPC 1768) dev board here, that is easy to program and great fun :)
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4 Ghz Arm to be introduced by Freescale in 2011. I don't know about AROs for this platform, but there's been some push for a MorphOS ARM port.
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ARM assembler is cool. As well as choosing whether to update the condition codes (which you can do on PPC too, of course) I love being able to conditionally execute instructions :)
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4 Ghz Arm to be introduced by Freescale in 2011. I don't know about AROs for this platform, but there's been some push for a MorphOS ARM port.
AROS already has an ARM port... Pavel and michal have been working on a couple (iPhone and EFIKA) :)
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ARM assembler is cool. As well as choosing whether to update the condition codes (which you can do on PPC too, of course) I love being able to conditionally execute instructions :)
ARM is lovely (With a fascinating history, hats off to Rodger/Sophie Wilson)... I can't wait until they get their HPC designs together... intel and AMD are gonna suffer big! :p
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ARM is lovely (With a fascinating history, hats off to Rodger/Sophie Wilson)... I can't wait until they get their HPC designs together... intel and AMD are gonna suffer big! :p
British ingenuity ftw! :D
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It would be nice to give my Macintosh Quadra some cool use with AROS. It is a very interesting machine.
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@gulliver
Might be nice even to find the way for some old-world powermac like my old p6400 at home in italy to support AROS; the ppc-port is already dome guess is matter of porting the drivers (and for me to expand the RAM at more than the actual 32m)
Saimon69
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A Falcon port would be nice... but my current focus is the ARM... I have a lovely 100Mhz ARM M3 (LPC 1768) dev board here, that is easy to program and great fun :)
@bloodline, do you have any recommended sources of some good info where I could better acquaint myself with the ARM?
Thanks,
AmigaEd
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@bloodline, do you have any recommended sources of some good info where I could better acquaint myself with the ARM?
Thanks,
AmigaEd
This is widely considered to be the best reference book for ARM developers.
ARM System Developer's Guide: Designing and Optimizing System Software (The Morgan Kaufmann Series in Computer Architecture and Design) (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1558608745/)
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AROS could be ported to other old m68k machines but that generally requires someone with the machines (or a good emulator of them) doing the port for the necessary driver support. There's probably netbsd or similar driver sources out there that could be used as a reference. I doubt there is much interest out there to make it happen. I'd expect most classic machine owners to have a preference for the original OSes and apps that came along with their machines. Personally, I'm more interested in seeing AROS run on currently manufactured and future production hardware platforms, and getting lots of updates and upgrades along the way, while still feeling Amiga-ish to me. I'm so tired of putting up with Windows, Linux/Xorg, OSX, etc. all these years since Gateway2000 did the Amiga platform in and the marketplace collapsed around it.
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It would be cool if someone used the executor sources to build a toolbox layer in AROS 68k so that classic macintosh applications would run inside wanderer, sort of like wine does with windows. I suppose the same could be done with GEM, but someone has already said that TOS applications aren't that interesting (albeit I have heard that atari st music apps were the rage back in the day).
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ARM is lovely (With a fascinating history, hats off to Rodger/Sophie Wilson)... I can't wait until they get their HPC designs together... intel and AMD are gonna suffer big! :p
http://infoworld.com/d/hardware/arm-readies-processing-cores-64-bit-computing-649
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@bloodline, do you have any recommended sources of some good info where I could better acquaint myself with the ARM?
Thanks,
AmigaEd
To get started, I bought the ARM mBed board. that was a great choice as it gave me quick and easy access to a real chip with a full development environment.
A good book like the one Nicholas suggested is a good idea!
@dammy ;)
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ARM and Amiga, the perfect match in my opinion. If we were to go in any new direction, that's the one i'd want to go in.
Maybe AROS for Archimedes?
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It would be cool if someone used the executor sources to build a toolbox layer in AROS 68k so that classic macintosh applications would run inside wanderer, sort of like wine does with windows. I suppose the same could be done with GEM, but someone has already said that TOS applications aren't that interesting (albeit I have heard that atari st music apps were the rage back in the day).
Provided that AROS use a memory model similar to that of AmigaOS (which it does afaik), it should be possible to use Basilisk 2.
Now, for the second part, it seems you've missed the point. Porting AROS to the TOS/Atari platform means you can run AROS on it. That could be useful, since there are some nice accellerators and clones for this platform (most notably 100MHz 060 accellerators for the Falcon). Wether or not TOS applications suck has nothing to do with that, since you don't use AROS to run them. You run AROS/Amiga applications on AROS.
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Well to all who want AROS on Archimedes, go here:
http://www.redsquirrel.fsnet.co.uk/redsquirrel.html
or here:
http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/arculator/download.html
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Actually i think might come out handy for the x68000 :)
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I still haven't managed to get that Atari ST working... It powers up fine, but I'm not having much luck sourcing a video lead or mouse... I would love to see AROS on this thing :)
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I still haven't managed to get that Atari ST working... It powers up fine, but I'm not having much luck sourcing a video lead or mouse... I would love to see AROS on this thing :)
Do you have an old Amiga mouse?
Some of them had switches to let them work on an ST.
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Do you have an old Amiga mouse?
Some of them had switches to let them work on an ST.
I used to have an old Squick mouse that had the switch, but I sold it (19) years ago :)
I'm not going to spend any money so I need freebees ;)
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I used to have an old Squick mouse that had the switch, but I sold it (19) years ago :)
I'm not going to spend any money so I need freebees ;)
I have one Amiga mouse but it doesn't have a switch mate.
Perhaps AmigaKit.com would like to become a corporate sponsor of AROS by providing you with such a device? ;)
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I just was thinking, if aros for 68k amiga was made to work, dosn't that mean aros for atari and 68k mac could be next?
That would be kinda cool because the st's are pretty nice machines if you get rid of the absolutely horrid OS. 68k macs are okay I suppose... But I'd be more excited to see aros for atari st's.
I would think atari fans would be too, mint and all the atari st os projects...Well they kind of blow. There are some nice sound and graphics programs for st though...
Steven
Why not just use AROS x86 on a x86 MAC -- I mean, why settle for anm old G4 MAC when you can power up a cheap iMac x86 which looks way cooler :-)
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Why not just use AROS x86 on a x86 MAC -- I mean, why settle for anm old G4 MAC when you can power up a cheap iMac x86 which looks way cooler :-)
The topic is 68k AROS not PPC.
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The topic is 68k AROS not PPC.
I know -- I was just asking :-)
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I know -- I was just asking :-)
But G4 Macs are PPC so you confused my little brain! :)
AROS running on 68k Macs and Ataris would be cool just for the sake of it and would bring new life to old unused machines. It might even bring new coders to our scene if we are lucky too.
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Why not just use AROS x86 on a x86 MAC -- I mean, why settle for anm old G4 MAC when you can power up a cheap iMac x86 which looks way cooler :-)
AROS x86 already run just fine on x86 Macs... So that not a challenge. What is interesting here is to see how An AmigaOS would run on 68k machine that were around at the time of the Amiga.
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Yeah!, it would be cool for my recently Atari ste.
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I think Atari aficionados enjoy their OS as much as we enjoy ours.
I miss the old Amiga-Atari flame wars, they were much more fun than the (pointless) ones going on here currently. You got to argue about hardware you did have rather than about hardware that doesn't exist.
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I miss the old Amiga-Atari flame wars, they were much more fun than the (pointless) ones going on here currently. You got to argue about hardware you did have rather than about hardware that doesn't exist.
+1 to that!
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http://acp.atari.org/
A very fast Atari clone which could be running AROS 68k. Also there have been Atari 68060 clones for years.
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It would be cool if someone used the executor sources to build a toolbox layer in AROS 68k so that classic macintosh applications would run inside wanderer, sort of like wine does with windows.
I've been wishing for such a thing for OS4 and PPC Mac apps for a while. Surely a uge undertaking to reimplement some other OS's API, but I think it would be great, even if PPC has now dwindled to near nothing in Mac software. I used to love Shapeshifter to run Netscape and a few games, it would be great to do that without the MacOS itself. (even if that means instead using some other replacement of MacOS)
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Actually i think might come out handy for the x68000 :)
That would be immense! Do you have one? Only 68k computer that's more powerful than the Amiga (when it was released in '87).
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no, i don't have one, even though it was on my wishlist since i got knowledge of its existence (1992, a father of a friend of mine went in japan and brought back some computer magazines, along those one called 'technopolis' that was showing parodius for x68000); i tried the human OS (the x68k operating system) in an emulator and looks like is just at the level of the old 64 GEOS; in my opinion AROS have also the chance to bring a more modern computing experience (preemptive multitasking and other amiga features) to other 68k systems and making them more usable even for retrocomputing purposes...:)
what we need for a x68k port though is for sure kanji/kana support (for video, i seen in wikipedia that is the same kind of card used by many arcade games, and some models used SCSI disks)
Saimon69