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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Franko on October 29, 2010, 12:37:32 AM
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As time goes on and we all find it more & more difficult to keep our old classic Amiga hardware up and running, do you ever think that the time will come when the only way to run an Amiga will be under emulation or do you believe like I do that you will always have some Amiga hardware to use no matter it costs to do so . Or have you already given up trying to keep your classic hardware going and are using an alternative system or emulator instead.
Amiga Forever !, What will you do... :)
a) Always try to keep your classic Amiga hardware up & running.
b) Be giving it up and using an alternative system/emulation instead.
c) Already gave up and using an alternative system/emulator.
d) Pray for a miracle & new Amiga hardware.
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Always try to keep something up and running. I haven't had time to mess about on my Amigas (any computers except the PC for the net really) but I'll get back on to it soon. It gave me such a great childhood. I fancy a game of Syndicate now...
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winuae, is more compatible, faster, easier to get hardware for, and easier to setup than any real amiga ever was. And if the hardware dies, who cares; it is super cheap and readily available.
I loved my amigas when I had them but I don't have to worry about the hardware dying, or if a particular game will run with aga, or ecs or ks3.1 or chip ram fast ram blah, blah blah.
I have every amiga ever made with every kickstart version every cpu, ram setup and perfect vga output. I'll let you guys worry about if the next time you turn your beloved hardware on will be the last.
Geeze that was a bit heavy handed. Sorry it just seems that "purists" look down on anyone who doesn't make out with thier...
sorry going overboard again.
and all the caps are on the right way, and they use good batteries, and
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I voted to always keep the "legends" going, but at heart I'm a dreamer and would really like to see a new platform which kindly merges the past with the future (or the present).
I also use WinUAE and it keeps getting better all of the time. If I had my choice though, I'd rather have an Amiga laptop with a Windows emulator.
Regards,
AmigaEd
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IMHO there's a big difference between using a real Amiga or not, although I want to update it internally with modern devices as much as possible.
It's like my old Beetle. There are people that want it stock, others that want it very modified internally and externally, others will buy a new Beetle, but I want it outside stock but with so many improvements in the engine, breaks, suspension and steering as can be done, always that they won't be too visible and that will keep the old style feeling...
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A and D. I'm certainly going to take good care of my 2000 and will happily continue using vintage Amigas for as long as there isn't a cheaper/easier alternative, but I'd like to see a new 68k Amiga-revival project make it to commercial status (*cough* NatAmi *cough*) so's I can have a better solution for daily use.
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@ KThunder (and a few other on this site...)
In all my years of being an Amiga user I've never (until I came to this site that is) heard so many folk using terms like 'purist', 'elitist', 'snobbish', 'zealot' and looking down upon others, when it comes to being a Classic Amiga user.
I fail to understand how some folk can read such things into what are a few simple questions, it's crazy... :confused:
I mean how can someone like myself be looking down upon others or being elitist just because I prefer the Amiga, an old outdated piece of computer hardware by any of todays standards...
It's kinda strange how some folk can read something and twist it in their own minds to mean something totally different from what is actually said.
Let me clear it up once and for all, for yourself and certain others, being a Classic Amiga user doesn't make me a purist an elitist or look down my nose at what others may use, please get that crazy idea out of your heads and stop trying to make something out of what isn't there in the first place, pretty please with knobs on... :)
If ye canny understaun plain ruddy engulish, ren ahm buggered if ahm gonae evur try tae explain it awa again, noo ah ope rats soarted... :D
Sorry for the rant, but those type of comments kinda bug me a wee bit... :)
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I wish i could get my hands on a real amiga instead i'm stuck with my laptop running uae :cry:
I just can't afford one at the moment nor do i have the room.
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I've got to keep my classics running, though my 3000 is having a timeout in the corner at the moment for misbehaving :)
Gaz
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Each year equipment fails and can not be repaired. Already, prices for used equipment is high (and NOS is laughable).
I don't know if I accept FPGA based systems as anything other than a hardware vased emulation, but the FPGA Arcade and Natami seem more realistic than hoping to keep a dwindling pool of hardware working forever.
And I can accept emulation for most old software (when or if its needed). I frequently move to new software when it presents better/enhanced features so there isn't much legacy software I need to run (just some stuff that's fun).
When you think about it, no matter whether the name is AOS4, MOS, AROS or even Windows they don't run Amiga apps natively, they emulate legacy systems in order to do it.
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I will keep my Classic going, like an old collector´s vintage car.
Emulation is really great and comfortable, but it does not compare to the real thing. In emulation timing is not that precise, and some features are unavailable, like WOS/PUP.
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I will keep my A4000/68060/CV64 and now with Indivision until every circuit trace has wasted away! After having Anthony Hoffman do some repairs to the MB she's working as good as new only Guru's I now get are from some demo's. Otherwise she's rock solid and fast.
I also have an A1200 with 68060@40 mhz which I play the odd game on with a serial link with my son.
BTW as good as Winuae is the "feel" isn't quite right for me.
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Each year equipment fails and can not be repaired.
Heck, my Apple IIs are still running. I expect at least as long from my Amiga's!!!
:roflmao:
desiv
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Where's the Pancakes option?
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When you think about it, no matter whether the name is AOS4, MOS, AROS or even Windows they don't run Amiga apps natively, they emulate legacy systems in order to do it.
Which means us WB3.1 users can rest secure in smug superiority ;)
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I will always be looking and hoping for something new - But I will also keep a "classic" system or two up and running.
I have, and will keep, an A1000 system mostly for early games - since it uses just 1.3 OS. I have to have a system with 3.1/3.5/3.9 on it for any serious work (and new games).
I use AmiKit also, and with 3.5 OS running on it, we get along fine.
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Where's the Pancakes option?
I've noticed the Pancakes option a few times in polls but being Scottish I prefer Tattie Scones & I don't think they're optional !!! :)
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With various FPGA solutions coming along, I imagine we'll have "amiga" in some form, for quite a while.
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A and D.
Try to keep all my Amiga's alive and still hope for FPGA Arcade and Natami to come out, so i can semi retire the old girls (still play with them every now and then..).
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A and D.
Try to keep all my Amiga's alive and still hope for FPGA Arcade and Natami to come out, so i can semi retire the old girls (still play with them every now and then..).
I agree :)
It's going to be hard to keep it all working, but as long as i invest in new PSU's and some rework to caps, all should be good.
I also hope Natami comes trough, it would be great for everyday use.
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With various FPGA solutions coming along, I imagine we'll have "amiga" in some form, for quite a while.
I just hope something does actually see the light of day and doesn't stay in the 'Pray For A Miracle' category... :)
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I will keep my Classic going, like an old collector´s vintage car.
Emulation is really great and comfortable, but it does not compare to the real thing. In emulation timing is not that precise, and some features are unavailable, like WOS/PUP.
Two years ago I was like this -- a hardware guy who would never switch --- and I even used the "emulation is not that precise" argument, because I mainly use my Amiga's for music MIDI recording - in which timing is VERY important.
Then my A2000 broke down and was going to be very expensive to fix (although I did try). I gave WinUAE a shot and was blown away with how fast and precise it was. I could run all my original Amiga productivity software (including MIDI recording software) without a problem - timing or otherwise.
So I don't get this issue - can anyone point out a timing problem in UAE?
I still love real hardware, but for east of use, compatibility, easy replacent of parts and pure speed I find emulation has really matured.
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There is the absence of other alternatives, for example I use WinUAE with OS 3.9 (legal) and Sam with OS 4.1.2 and I think what bot things is possible, emulation and real hardware, for example to programming, with the emulation we have the possibilitie to have much Amiga hardware (although emulate) to test our creations, programs, tools, games, icons, etc.
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As time goes on and we all find it more & more difficult to keep our old classic Amiga hardware up and running, do you ever think that the time will come when the only way to run an Amiga will be under emulation or do you believe like I do that you will always have some Amiga hardware to use no matter it costs to do so . Or have you already given up trying to keep your classic hardware going and are using an alternative system or emulator instead.
Amiga Forever !, What will you do... :)
a) Always try to keep your classic Amiga hardware up & running.
b) Be giving it up and using an alternative system/emulation instead.
c) Already gave up and using an alternative system/emulator.
d) Pray for a miracle & new Amiga hardware.
I will keep my amigas running as long as I am around, after I am gone I won't care.
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I will keep my amigas running as long as I am around, after I am gone I won't care.
That's the first "I'm sticking with my old hardware" arguement that affected me.
OK, you're right, who gives a damn what happens after we're gone? I just fear for those who carry on after us. Hopefully, the world they live in won't be too f'd up and they'll still have the snall measures of freedom we all take for granted.
I'm kind of glad I won't know the answer to that, because if past human behavior is any indication, things could either be really cool or horribly messed up.
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Originally Posted by amiga92570
I will keep my amigas running as long as I am around, after I am gone I won't care.
Originally Posted by Iggy
That's the first "I'm sticking with my old hardware" arguement that affected me.
OK, you're right, who gives a damn what happens after we're gone? I just fear for those who carry on after us. Hopefully, the world they live in won't be too f'd up and they'll still have the snall measures of freedom we all take for granted.
@ amiga92570
Hear, Hear... Couldn't have said it better myself... :)
@Iggy
No point in caring about what comes after we're gone, follow amiga92570's example, cos once you've shuffled off this mortal coil nothing matters anymore... :)
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@ amiga92570
@Iggy
No point in caring about what comes after we're gone, follow amiga92570's example, cos once you've shuffled off this mortal coil nothing matters anymore... :)
I disagree with this logic. Kind of like having life insurance for your loved ones... the gift that keeps on giving sort of thing. lol Good to maintain classic hardware for others (be it family, friends or those who purchase your goods after you're gone) and besides, there's nothing like playing on the real thing. I haven't messed around with emulation too much because I just don't enjoy it. I guess if I didn't have the know-how to keep classic hardware running, I'd be more inclined to pursue the emulation thing.
Simply put though, I like the looks and feel of using vintage/classic equipment. Always have. Always will. Plus, there will always be value in real original hardware. There's little to no value in modern computers emulating real machines. Time has proven this over and over again and not just using computers as an example. ALL vintage electronics, antiques, furniture, autos, etc.
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I disagree with this logic. Kind of like having life insurance for your loved ones... the gift that keeps on giving sort of thing. lol Good to maintain classic hardware for others (be it family, friends or those who purchase your goods after you're gone) and besides, there's nothing like playing on the real thing. I haven't messed around with emulation too much because I just don't enjoy it. I guess if I didn't have the know-how to keep classic hardware running, I'd be more inclined to pursue the emulation thing.
Simply put though, I like the looks and feel of using vintage/classic equipment. Always have. Always will. Plus, there will always be value in real original hardware. There's little to no value in modern computers emulating real machines. Time has proven this over and over again and not just using computers as an example. ALL vintage electronics, antiques, furniture, autos, etc.
I never said it was logical... :) Far from it... :)
I agree with your sentiments on vintage/classic stuff wholeheartedly, but as for life insurance, nah... why bother when I can spend that money on fags, booze and unhealthy food and as for leaving stuff behind for other family members, sod them, let them work for it like I had to do, (bunch of no good lazy buggers, the lot of them...) :biglaugh:
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I agree with your sentiments on vintage/classic stuff wholeheartedly, but as for life insurance, nah... why bother when I can spend that money on fags, booze and unhealthy food and as for leaving stuff behind for other family members, sod them, let them work for it like I had to do, (bunch of no good lazy buggers, the lot of them...) :biglaugh:
:laughing:
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I disagree with this logic. Kind of like having life insurance for your loved ones... the gift that keeps on giving sort of thing. lol Good to maintain classic hardware for others (be it family, friends or those who purchase your goods after you're gone) and besides, there's nothing like playing on the real thing. I haven't messed around with emulation too much because I just don't enjoy it. I guess if I didn't have the know-how to keep classic hardware running, I'd be more inclined to pursue the emulation thing.
Simply put though, I like the looks and feel of using vintage/classic equipment. Always have. Always will. Plus, there will always be value in real original hardware. There's little to no value in modern computers emulating real machines. Time has proven this over and over again and not just using computers as an example. ALL vintage electronics, antiques, furniture, autos, etc.
Exactly, if I had a kid I would want him/her to know there was a time when a computer was much more than the pieces of crap sold in shops today, and people had a real choice. OK if this is not something you care about then fair enough. And anyway A500/600/1200s are still easy to find on a daily basis on scumbay :)
And also for me, when the last Commodore built motherboard fails to power up to life in the world then there is no more Amiga, anything other than those machines built by Commodore pre bankruptcy are NOT Amiga.
Emulation is fine, it is great but it is nothing like using a real classic Amiga. You can drive a Ferrari in Gran Turismo or you can drive a Ferrari to get your groceries in real life. One is only similar to the other if you are a bit stupid and never experienced the real thing ;)
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Please don't mess this argument up with logic.
No one else around here does :hammer: .
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Please don't mess this argument up with logic.
No one else around here does :hammer: .
Hmm... there's a certain logic to that argument... ooops sorry that was a bit logical... :roflmao: