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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: Dragster on October 24, 2010, 08:15:04 AM
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Hi all,
reporting from Amiwest 2010, I'm not sure if anybody has reported this already, but... since I can't find any information about it, I'm happy to tell you that Ben Hermans announced the coming release (before the end of this year) of AmigaOS4.1 for "classic" Amigas equipped with PPC accelerator boards.
He didn't mention if it's gonna be a free update or not, he also didn't mention if it's gonna include of all the features already present in the current AmigaOS4.1 version for the "nextgen" PPC machines.
This is great news!
Cheers,
Dragster
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AmigaOS 4.1 Classic version will be available to buy and distributed by AmigaKit before the end of this year.
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I really hope they fix all the issues 4.0 had with Classics!
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Good news for the Amigans still having working BlizzardPPC or CyberstormPPC board.
Excellent news for AmigaOS 4 developers, that they can ditch AmigaOS 4.0 and develop for 4.1 only, without ignoring the classic users.
Personally I feel my microAmigaOne is starting to age and getting slow, so can't wait for the AmigaX1000. Sold my Amiga 4000 two years ago.
I don't wish to imagine how would it be doing modern computing on PPC turbo board from 1997, connected to a computer from 1992, but for the fun of doing it, it is acceptable.
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I've played with it on and off for a few weeks now.
It's very very good, almost up to MorphOS standards.
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AmigaOS 4.1 Classic version will be available to buy and distributed by AmigaKit before the end of this year.
Cool :)
Then I can get these Blizzard and Cyberstorms to do something real :roflmao:
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EXCELLENT news...for AMIGA PPC users!
I hope that Ben will announce the coming release of...new PPC cards! :biglaugh:
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...I don't wish to imagine how would it be doing modern computing on PPC turbo board from 1997, connected to a computer from 1992, but for the fun of doing it, it is acceptable.
I have probably the fastest CSPPC board over the world. (604/400MHz with 060/66MHz). Believe me it's really fast. Enough fast for use every day :)
For example, CPU 68k&PPC speed test by SysSpeed:
For 68060/66MHz:
MIPS - 86.53
MFLOPS - 32.62
For PPC 604e/400MHz:
MIPS - 581.89
MFLOPS - 400.01
UW-SCSI SCA 36GB with SFS:
CreateFile 22.59 MB/s
WriteFile 28.45 MB/s
ReadFile 24.98 MB/s
RawRead 28.74 MB/s
Looks very nice isn't it?
So I think the new OS4.1 for my classic Amiga will run on it smooth enough :)
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Good news. I hope they support scsi on Blizzards and include swap support (or at least ZorRAM support) otherwise my interest will probably be null. Radeon support would be a nice plus although not vital for me.
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Having bought Classic OS4.0 when it first came out for use with my Blizzard060/PPC 60Mhz/240Mhz and being sorely disappointed with the speed at which it ran, I can only hope the OS4.1 has had some major speed improvements made to it to make it useable.
I not getting my hopes built up though as I very rarely use 4.0 due to the speed issues and also the fact that the one and only update for 4.0 was way back in June 07, when purchasers of Classic OS4.0 were left in the lurch when support for it seemed to be abandoned.
So I will warily keep my eye on it this time to see what others think of it first... ;)
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This is good news. It seems like a lot of folks that bought 4.0 for classic were pretty dissapointed and went back to 3.9. I'm glad they decided to do this.
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Ah, excellent. Fingers crossed for ZorRAM support. At the very least, swap space support will make the system far more usable.
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This is good news. It seems like a lot of folks that bought 4.0 for classic were pretty dissapointed and went back to 3.9. I'm glad they decided to do this.
I have to be honest, The only thing I use my OS4.0 partition for is the DVD burning program AMIDVD. Even then I only use it to create the ISO file as I haven't finished writing my own one yet, then I quickly switch back to OS3.5 to burn it as my own burner progs work faster on the 68K side than the OS4.0 PPC ones.
I still however would like to see if there is any improvement in OS4.1 but will be very wary of it, as past experience and lack of support for 4.0 has left me a wee bit sceptical... :)
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I personally would like to see support for the BlizzardPPC scsi controller which was one of the weakest points (if not the weakest) 'cause due to this the IDE controller made the CPU to waste cycles for disk access/transfers on the Amiga1200...
We'll see. I think this is a good move for hyperion, I don't think compiling OS4.1 for the classics would have needed too much effort anyway, they will get extra cash to continue improving the OS and so all hardware platforms and users (sam, peg, a1, etc) will benefit from this.
Cheers,
Dragster
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If you guys listen to Herman's speech at the banquet i'm pretty sure he mentions support for the Zororam boards..!
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If you guys listen to Herman's speech at the banquet i'm pretty sure he mentions support for the Zororam boards..!
He mentioned:
-Radeon Support
-ZorRAM Support
-Pager support
Very nice!!!! Can't wait!
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With zoram support it would be really cool. Too bad the fastlane z3 won't have support or dkb3128 also.
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thats awsome news great to have them support to the older hardware
was dream back in 1988 to have ppc native os 4
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I personally would like to see support for the BlizzardPPC scsi controller which was one of the weakest points (if not the weakest) 'cause due to this the IDE controller made the CPU to waste cycles for disk access/transfers on the Amiga1200...
We'll see. I think this is a good move for hyperion, I don't think compiling OS4.1 for the classics would have needed too much effort anyway, they will get extra cash to continue improving the OS and so all hardware platforms and users (sam, peg, a1, etc) will benefit from this.
Cheers,
Dragster
not that l can answer for hyperion but from what l read th blizzard scsi support
wasint possible because dce computers never realized he details for the controller
so npthing hyperion can do about this , as this what l was looking for with my
card
l peronsally found okay speed wise with my bvision very stable l thought
been awhile since used OS 4.0 classic
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was dream back in 1988 to have ppc native os 4
So you dreamed about that before there even was OS 2.0 and PowerPC was still 4 years in the future? Or do you mean 1998?
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With zoram support it would be really cool. Too bad the fastlane z3 won't have support or dkb3128 also.
If the ZorRAM is supported, I don't see why those wouldn't be - they add memory to the system in the exact same way. Did someone explicitly say those boards wouldn't be supported?
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not that l can answer for hyperion but from what l read th blizzard scsi support
wasint possible because dce computers never realized he details for the controller
so npthing hyperion can do about this , as this what l was looking for with my
card
l peronsally found okay speed wise with my bvision very stable l thought
been awhile since used OS 4.0 classic
The problem is not the lack of documentation. There is plenty documentation if you know where to look for, or who to ask. In fact, even the good old MorphOS 1.4.5 supports it. And if I am not mistaken, Linux too.
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If the ZorRAM is supported, I don't see why those wouldn't be - they add memory to the system in the exact same way. Did someone explicitly say those boards wouldn't be supported?
Perhaps to support only ZorRam (sales strategy?)
I hope now to see very soon a new 060/PPC accelerator by INDIVIDUAL COMPUTER!
AMIGA is not dead! :banana:
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On a cautionary note, whilst Z3 memory support is certainly a welcome addition, I would expect that access to it will be likely not be any faster than it is from the 68K side. The more RAM you can shove on your PPC card directly, the better.
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I have probably the fastest CSPPC board over the world. (604/400MHz with 060/66MHz). Believe me it's really fast. Enough fast for use every day :)
For example, CPU 68k&PPC speed test by SysSpeed:
For 68060/66MHz:
MIPS - 86.53
MFLOPS - 32.62
For PPC 604e/400MHz:
MIPS - 581.89
MFLOPS - 400.01
UW-SCSI SCA 36GB with SFS:
CreateFile 22.59 MB/s
WriteFile 28.45 MB/s
ReadFile 24.98 MB/s
RawRead 28.74 MB/s
Looks very nice isn't it?
So I think the new OS4.1 for my classic Amiga will run on it smooth enough :)
you may hold the record for raw PPC processor power on classic amiga but Blizzard PPC holds the record for GFX performance.
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Having bought Classic OS4.0 when it first came out for use with my Blizzard060/PPC 60Mhz/240Mhz and being sorely disappointed with the speed at which it ran, I can only hope the OS4.1 has had some major speed improvements made to it to make it useable.
I not getting my hopes built up though as I very rarely use 4.0 due to the speed issues and also the fact that the one and only update for 4.0 was way back in June 07, when purchasers of Classic OS4.0 were left in the lurch when support for it seemed to be abandoned.
So I will warily keep my eye on it this time to see what others think of it first... ;)
tested a 270Mhz Blizzard PPC the performance was also very poor i could not play quake 2 (OS4.0) 800x600 screenmode,i had to switch to my top end card to make this game playerble again 800x600 screenmode.
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Having bought Classic OS4.0 when it first came out for use with my Blizzard060/PPC 60Mhz/240Mhz and being sorely disappointed with the speed at which it ran, I can only hope the OS4.1 has had some major speed improvements made to it to make it useable.
I not getting my hopes built up though as I very rarely use 4.0 due to the speed issues and also the fact that the one and only update for 4.0 was way back in June 07, when purchasers of Classic OS4.0 were left in the lurch when support for it seemed to be abandoned.
So I will warily keep my eye on it this time to see what others think of it first... ;)
i tested a 270Mhz Blizzard PPC the performance was also very poor i could not play quake 2 (OS4.0) 800x600 screenmode,i had to switch to my top end card to make this game playerble again 800x600 screenmode.
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Perhaps to support only ZorRam (sales strategy?)
I hope now to see very soon a new 060/PPC accelerator by INDIVIDUAL COMPUTER!
AMIGA is not dead! :banana:
Same here! I've been debating whether or not to get an 060 for my A4000, and then thought "why, it runs really fast now, and really wouldn't give me any more OS options." So then I thought I'd really like a PPC based system, but they are either insanely expensive, or impossible to find.
A new one would go a long way....
slaapliedje
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I have probably the fastest CSPPC board over the world. (604/400MHz with 060/66MHz). Believe me it's really fast. Enough fast for use every day :)
For example, CPU 68k&PPC speed test by SysSpeed:
For 68060/66MHz:
MIPS - 86.53
MFLOPS - 32.62
For PPC 604e/400MHz:
MIPS - 581.89
MFLOPS - 400.01
UW-SCSI SCA 36GB with SFS:
CreateFile 22.59 MB/s
WriteFile 28.45 MB/s
ReadFile 24.98 MB/s
RawRead 28.74 MB/s
Looks very nice isn't it?
So I think the new OS4.1 for my classic Amiga will run on it smooth enough :)
you may possibly hold the record for CPU power on classic PPC but my Blizzard PPC holds the world record for GFX perfomance when comparing Bvision vs Cybervision.
im not even going to bother uploading test results as i already know you don`t stand a chance.
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Are there any further plans to release new PPC and/or graphics boards for A1200/4000? Or maybe even resumption of the classic Amiga line?
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I assume that OS4.0 and hopefully OS4.1 works at a reasonable speed it you have an RTG board such as the BVision connected, anyone able to confirm this for me... :)
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I assume that OS4.0 and hopefully OS4.1 works at a reasonable speed it you have an RTG board such as the BVision connected, anyone able to confirm this for me... :)
Works for me.
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Yes, and with Radeon one could assume even better performance and graphics ram.
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Yes, and with Radeon one could assume even better performance and graphics ram.
Is it just me being a dummy, but how do you get a Radeon GFX board to work on a Classic Amiga... :confused:
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Wow this is great news.
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Is it just me being a dummy, but how do you get a Radeon GFX board to work on a Classic Amiga... :confused:
With an Elbox Mediator PCI busboard or Prometheus PCI busboard.
A PCI Radeon graphics card, as publically mentioned by Hyperion at Amiwest, is planned to be supported for OS 4.1 classic machines.
Currently the best graphics card for OS 4.0 classic would be the Voodoo series, the 3, or 4, which max out at 32MB video ram. A Radeon would allow upto 128MB of graphics memory and faster internal operations vs. the Voodoo cards on the classic machines running OS 4.1.
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With an Elbox Mediator PCI busboard or Prometheus PCI busboard.
A PCI Radeon graphics card, as publically mentioned by Hyperion at Amiwest, is planned to be supported for OS 4.1 classic machines.
Currently the best graphics card for OS 4.0 classic would be the Voodoo series, the 3, or 4, which max out at 32MB video ram. A Radeon would allow upto 128MB of graphics memory and faster internal operations vs. the Voodoo cards on the classic machines running OS 4.1.
I've been so obsessed with trying to find a BVision card that I totally forgot about the Mediator, although I'm not sure if Elbox are still in business as I haven't seen their site updated in years.
Anyone use a mediator on an A1200, and if so how good is it...
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We sell Mediator PCI (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/mediator-pci.php)
We are expecting stock very shortly...