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Title: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Pyromania on October 14, 2010, 07:42:08 AM
Amiga.org is ideologically against Banner Ads, especially Ads that have no relation to the content or the community of a large site such as Amiga.org. Unrelated Banner Ads are just like a rude stranger interrupting your retro computer fix and or fun. Not even banner Ads for DiscreetFX products are displayed on Amiga.org. This policy comes from the founder of DiscreetFX who has always hated obtrusive Banner Ads and other invasive Ad technology like Vibrant.
 
If you're a free member of Amiga.org you may see tiny text Ads related to the content of the site. You are welcome to ignore, block or not click on these. Premium Members of Amiga.org don't see any Ads, even the tiny text based ones. Premium Subscribers also get a larger amount of PM storage and a free forwarding Amiga.org e-mail address.
 
Amiga.org is one of the largest Amiga, AROS, MorphOS & Amiga OS 4.x websites on the internet. Monthly bandwidth use is around 70-80 Yottabytes. Other great websites that discuss Amiga related technology also exist like EAB (English Amiga Board), MorphZone.org, amigaworld.Net & amigans.net. Having several different sites is important since it helps expand the use of alternative operating systems.
 
Please support your favorite Amiga, AROS & MorphOS website today and help the community expand and grow. The way you do this on Amiga.org for example is to become a Premium Subscriber. Be the first one to correct the intentional technological typo above and win a free one year Premium Subscription.
 
Best regards
 
Amiga.org
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: cv643d on October 14, 2010, 08:03:52 AM
It is against Google Ad Sense TOS to tell visitors to click on the Ad Sense ads, you should remove that or potentially loose your Ad Sense account forever. If you loose Ad Sense, it is going to be difficult to re-enter the program, it is one akilles heel of Ad Sense IMHO.

You could probably work a bit on blending Ad Sense better on amiga.org, I think you will earn more then. I do not care about that, run banner ads to, no problem as long as it pays server fees :)

The problem is that this is a nische that does not pay much for the click, so you need huge amount of volume to make money on the Ad Sense. Maybe banner ads work better?

Banner ads of today are mostly not as shitty as those from 98, but off course there are some horrible ads today to.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Franko on October 14, 2010, 08:10:11 AM
I reckon it must be the Yottabytes bit, cos according to Wikipedia as of 2010 no one has even achieved a Zettabyte let alone a Yottabyte.... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yottabyte
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Trev on October 14, 2010, 08:10:19 AM
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Be the first one to correct the intentional technological typo above and win a free one year Premium Subscription.

What is it with you and yottabytes? ;-) EDIT: D'oh! Denied while I pondered whether to point out the grammar errors as well. :-P
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: ChaosLord on October 14, 2010, 08:20:16 AM
Quote from: Pyromania;584614
If they are related to something your interested in

"your" is wrong.  It should be "you're" or "you are".


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Monthly bandwidth use is around 70-80 Yottabytes.
You could not possibly afford 70 Yottabytes of bandwidth.  I think you might have meant "Terrabytes" or "bunches" or "huge stacks of bytes" :D
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Pyromania on October 14, 2010, 08:23:51 AM
Quote from: Franko;584623
I reckon it must be the Yottabytes bit, cos according to Wikipedia as of 2010 no one has even achieved a Zettabyte let alone a Yottabyte.... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yottabyte

Franko you got it. You are already a Premium Subscriber so we just added a year to your account for free. New date is Aug 4th, 2012.

@cv643d

Your right, that wording has been removed.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Franko on October 14, 2010, 08:32:50 AM
Quote from: Pyromania;584626
Franko you got it. You are already a Premium Subscriber so we just added a year to your account for free. New date is Aug 4th, 2012.

@cv643d

Your right, that wording has been removed.


Drat... I didn't really want to win !!! :)

Thank you for such a kind offer anyway, but to be honest I'd rather the prize went to someone who doesn't already have a subscription. Any chance you could give the prize to someone else (and can I choose the person)... :)
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Pyromania on October 14, 2010, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Franko;584627
Drat... I didn't really want to win !!! :)

Thank you for such a kind offer anyway, but to be honest I'd rather the prize went to someone who doesn't already have a subscription. Any chance you could give the prize to someone else (and can I choose the person)... :)


Yes that is fine, just let us know who you choose. And keep your extra year as well. How is that?


:)
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Franko on October 14, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
@Pyromania,

Wow, Thank you very much indeed, a most kind and gratefully accepted offer. :)

The person whom I'd like to choose is MrMoonlight, he's totally new to the wonderful world of the Amiga and in 20 odd years of being an Amiga user I have never found someone who is so new to the Amiga experience and as enthusiastic about our beloved miggies as this man, so please can you arrange for him to receive the subscription.

Thank you... :drink:

Franko

(PS:this has got me to thinking, I was seriously considering making a donation to this great site, but was now wondering if it would be possible instead to arrange a little compo of some kind, for ten folk to receive a years subscription, which I shall gladly pay for in advance, one good turn deserves another I always say. :) )
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Piru on October 14, 2010, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: Pyromania;584614
If you're a free member of Amiga.org you may see tiny text Ads related to the content of the site. You are welcome to ignore, block or not click on these.
Here's my favorite for the job:
http://adblockplus.org/
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: hishamk on October 14, 2010, 09:37:40 AM
Quote from: Piru;584633
Here's my favorite for the job:
http://adblockplus.org/


Yeah. Considered by some as unethical as cracking MorphOS to remove the registeration requirement.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Kesa on October 14, 2010, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: Piru;584633
Here's my favorite for the job:
http://adblockplus.org/

Thankyou so much you are a genius!

Adverts have been giving me the shits for years but it never occurred to me you could just turn them off like that!

I am in your debt :)

Oh yeah just wondering. I have windows 7 ultimate and it keeps on asking me for validation as ms seems to think that my copy is not really mine. But unfortunately i have misplaced my copy so have to do something else. Does anyone know where where i can get hold of a WGA Remover? I know this isn't the place and i really feel bad for putting it here but i don't really want to spend the $250 on another copy. Sorry in advance if i offend anyone here about hacking ms   :)
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Piru on October 14, 2010, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: hishamk;584634
Considered by some as unethical as cracking MorphOS to remove the registeration requirement.

Who would those be?

I've seen 0 cracks of MorphOS, while millions use ad blocking.

Regarding the ethics of ad blocking, here are some posts worth reading:
http://adblockplus.org/blog/ethics-of-blocking-ads
http://adblockplus.org/blog/ethics-of-blocking-ads-part-2
http://adblockplus.org/blog/ethics-of-blocking-ads-part-3
http://www.askdrax.com/2009/06/advertising-on-web.html
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Piru on October 14, 2010, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: Kesa;584635
I have windows 7 ultimate and it keeps on asking me for validation as ms seems to think that my copy is not really mine. But unfortunately i have misplaced my copy so have to do something else. Does anyone know where where i can get hold of a WGA Remover?

http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/winproductkey/
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: ChaosLord on October 14, 2010, 10:26:51 AM
@hishamk

How is it unethical to block ads?
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Franko on October 14, 2010, 11:09:44 AM
I didn't know you could get ad blocking software, just googled for some for my mac, but I can't download it cos I keep getting a google message telling me it's forbidden from my client... :(

Haven't a clue why it's forbidden or how to get round it... :(
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Kesa on October 14, 2010, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Piru;584637
http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/winproductkey/

Thanks i got my product key but now it says i must reinstall windows from scratch to enter code. I lost my fricken copy!

MS then kindly offered to sell it to me for $295.

God i love amiga. No crap greedy ass...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Piru on October 14, 2010, 01:04:50 PM
Quote from: Kesa;584648
Thanks i got my product key but now it says i must reinstall windows from scratch to enter code. I lost my fricken copy!

MS then kindly offered to sell it to me for $295.
You can grab the original OEM DVD from any torrent site (search for "Windows 7 RTM 7600 16385" for instance). Since you have the original bought and have the product key at hand, there is no problem in downloading it. The DVD is useless without product key anyway.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: ferrellsl on October 14, 2010, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;584638
@hishamk

How is it unethical to block ads?


Exactly!  It's no different than turning down the volume or switching off your TV in the middle of a commercial.  Or using your Tivo to edit out the commercials.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Colani1200 on October 14, 2010, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: ferrellsl;584657
Exactly!  It's no different than turning down the volume or switching off your TV in the middle of a commercial.  Or using your Tivo to edit out the commercials.


I fact, it is very different. Web ads are usually paid on a per-click / per-hit basis, so it has a direct impact on the revenue when people filter them. When you turn off your TV, no one notices. (well, the neighbours maybe...)
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Pyromania on October 14, 2010, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Franko;584631
@Pyromania,

Wow, Thank you very much indeed, a most kind and gratefully accepted offer. :)

The person whom I'd like to choose is MrMoonlight, he's totally new to the wonderful world of the Amiga and in 20 odd years of being an Amiga user I have never found someone who is so new to the Amiga experience and as enthusiastic about our beloved miggies as this man, so please can you arrange for him to receive the subscription.

Thank you... :drink:

Franko

(PS:this has got me to thinking, I was seriously considering making a donation to this great site, but was now wondering if it would be possible instead to arrange a little compo of some kind, for ten folk to receive a years subscription, which I shall gladly pay for in advance, one good turn deserves another I always say. :) )

Per your request we have upgraded MrMoonlight to a Premium Subscriber. We could also arrange a competition of course.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: hishamk on October 14, 2010, 05:52:11 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;584638
@hishamk

How is it unethical to block ads?


Well, the fact that you're perusing and utilizing a site's service (be it information, forums, etc), the least you could do is not disable their pay-per-click ads, since that's what usually pays the bills for the many sites on the web (including blogs, etc).

This is different from TV ads, in which show producers and networks get paid beforehand for the ads.

Granted, some sites are not using a ppc ad model, but most are, especially niche sites like Amiga.org. Blocking them on your machine would prevent any user of your computer from every clicking on them, which is kind of unfair, considering the fun you get from the sites. Kapische?
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: recidivist on October 14, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
I don't hate static ads,but i DESPISE intrusive  animated ads.

It's like the difference between reading a magazine which has many ads you MAY look at versus television which has many ads you MUST  view(unless you time the bathroom breaks very carefully).
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Piru on October 14, 2010, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: hishamk;584700
the least you could do is not disable their pay-per-click ads, since that's what usually pays the bills for the many sites on the web (including blogs, etc).
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Blocking them on your machine would prevent any user of your computer from every clicking on them
Firefox profiles are per user. I would never click any ad anyway. Thus, how is revenue dimished?
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: djrikki on October 14, 2010, 07:19:01 PM
Well I spotted one error in the RSS Feed whether its the right now I don't know...

'Other great websites that discuss Amiga related technology also exist like EAB (English Amiga Board), MorphZone.org, amigaworld.net & amigans.net.'

Its amigaworld.Net ... not .net lower case.
Title: Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads
Post by: Golem!dk on October 14, 2010, 07:43:46 PM
@djrikki

Go check that again. </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>orb85750</strong> on <strong>October 14, 2010, 07:47:06 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> I certainty have no opposition to relevant banner ads (DiscreetFX, AmigaOne, Cloanto, etc.) </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>Kesa</strong> on <strong>October 14, 2010, 09:49:29 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> (http://file:///C:/Users/Kevin/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png)(http://file:///C:/Users/Kevin/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png) (http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/FZK/M081/GD2JJR1U/FZKM081GD2JJR1U.MEDIUM.gif)<br /><br />I particularly find these kinds of adverts the most creative. The ones that are designed to cause seizures... </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>djrikki</strong> on <strong>October 14, 2010, 10:32:26 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> @Golem!dk<br /><br /><br />Go and check the <img> which of course over-rides the <title> =P </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>Golem!dk</strong> on <strong>October 14, 2010, 11:11:45 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> <div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: djrikki;584760</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Go and check the <img> which of course over-rides the <title> =P</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br /><br />Which one? </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>hishamk</strong> on <strong>October 15, 2010, 02:59:06 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> <div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: Piru;584714</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Firefox profiles are per user. I would never click any ad anyway. Thus, how is revenue dimished?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br /><br />Not everyone uses FF let alone sets FF profiles (there are ad blockers for other browsers, ya know), and not everyone is you with a completely self-assured stance of never, ever clicking on ads. </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>Golem!dk</strong> on <strong>October 15, 2010, 03:26:09 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> @hishamk<br /><br />Choice is bad? </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Ad blocking software</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>Mark</strong> on <strong>October 15, 2010, 08:10:51 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> <div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Here's my favorite for the job:<br />http://adblockplus.org/</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br /><br />Privoxy (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43268) is useful also, has privacy enhancing abilities, and it's available for AmigaOS and MorphOS. </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>actung_bab</strong> on <strong>October 15, 2010, 11:11:55 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> thanks thats awsome they are a pain those damm banner adds the pop up worse though </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>tone007</strong> on <strong>October 15, 2010, 11:24:07 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> I'm always clicking on random ads and blowing my paycheck on useless crap and services.  I only come to Amiga.org when I'm out of money since there are no ads to click here! </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>ChaosLord</strong> on <strong>October 15, 2010, 11:24:20 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> <div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: hishamk;584700</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, the fact that you're perusing and utilizing a site's service (be it information, forums, etc), the least you could do is not disable their pay-per-click ads, since that's what usually pays the bills for the many sites on the web (including blogs, etc).<br />...<br /> Blocking them on your machine would prevent any user of your computer from every clicking on them, which is kind of unfair, considering the fun you get from the sites. Kapische?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />Well, the fact that I am perusing and utilizing a site's service (be it information, forums, etc), the least they could do is not disable my computer with their pay-per-click flash ads, since that's what usually connects me to sites on the web (including blogs, etc).<br /><br />  Disabling my entire computer and/or crashing it, prevents any user of my computer from ever clicking on them, or doing anything else on the internet, which is kind of unfair, considering the fun I get from the internet. Kapische? </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>hishamk</strong> on <strong>October 17, 2010, 07:57:56 AM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> <div class="quoteheader"><div class="topslice_quote">Quote from: ChaosLord;584960</div></div><blockquote class="bbc_standard_quote">Well, the fact that I am perusing and utilizing a site's service (be it information, forums, etc), the least they could do is not disable my computer with their pay-per-click flash ads, since that's what usually connects me to sites on the web (including blogs, etc).<br /><br />  Disabling my entire computer and/or crashing it, prevents any user of my computer from ever clicking on them, or doing anything else on the internet, which is kind of unfair, considering the fun I get from the internet. Kapische?</blockquote><div class="quotefooter"><div class="botslice_quote"></div></div><br />You're right, but only with regards to certain sites. I have to point out that I'm not talking about webmasters who allow irritating, infuriating, seizure inducing ads, flash banner games, one-millionth visitor lottery winner, US green card services, popups and whatnot. I usually find a positive correlation between hap-hazard, half-hearted web content and such dumb ads.<br /><br />I'm talking about web sites that actually have something useful and of substance (i.e. Amiga.org). These usually have webmasters with the visitors best interest in mind. They usually only limit themselves to simple banner ads and some Google text ads. </dd> <dt class="postheader"> Title: <strong>Re: Why Amiga.org has no Banner Ads</strong><br /> Post by: <strong>ChaosLord</strong> on <strong>October 17, 2010, 02:04:07 PM</strong> </dt> <dd class="postbody"> I love Amiga-related banner ads!<br /><br />As long as they are <br />A: Not Flash<br />or<br />B: Lite Flash only.  No 200% CPU power, disable Windows XP Multitasking, Heavy Flash.<br /><br />btw: I have never blocked ads before.  I only block Flash.  I was forced to start blocking Flash after Flash ads crashed my computer the umpteenth time.<br /><br />I love Amiga-related banner ads!  That is why I am glad I did not win the contest!  I did not want to be banned from seeing Amiga-related banner ads on Amiga.org. </dd> <script type="text/javascript"><!-- // --><![CDATA[ var lpLoaded = false, inConflict = false; function compareJQueryVersion(v1, v2, callback) { var v1parts = v1.split(); var v2parts = v2.split(); for (var i = 0; i < v1parts.length; ++i) { if (v2parts.length == i) { //v1 + " is larger" callback(1); return; } if (v1parts[i] == v2parts[i]) { continue; } else if (v1parts[i] > v2parts[i]) { //v1 + " is larger"; callback(1); return; } else { //v2 + " is larger"; callback(2); return; } } if (v1parts.length != v2parts.length) { //v2 + " is larger"; callback(2); return; } callback(false); return; } function loadJquery(url, callback) { var script = document.createElement("script"); script.type = "text/javascript"; script.src = url; var head = document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0], done = false; script.onload = script.onreadystatechange = function() { if (!done && (!this.readyState || this.readyState == "loaded" || this.readyState == "complete")) { done = true; callback(); script.onload = script.onreadystatechange = null; head.removeChild(script); }; }; head.appendChild(script); } // Only do anything if jQuery isn"t defined if (typeof(jQuery) == "undefined") { console.log("jquery not found"); if (typeof($) == "function") { console.log("jquery but in conflict"); inConflict = true; } loadJquery("https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/2.0.3/jquery.min.js", function() { if (typeof(jQuery) !=="undefined") { console.log("directly loaded with version: " + jQuery.fn.jquery); lp_jquery2_0_3 = jQuery.noConflict(true); loadLPScript(); } }); } else { // jQuery is already loaded console.log("jquery is already loaded with version: " + jQuery.fn.jquery); compareJQueryVersion(jQuery.fn.jquery, "2.0.3", function(result) { console.log("result of version check: " + result) switch(result) { case false: case 1: lp_jquery2_0_3 = jQuery; loadLPScript(); break; case 2: loadJquery("https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/2.0.3/jquery.min.js", function() { if (typeof(jQuery) !=="undefined") { console.log("after version check loaded with version: " + jQuery.fn.jquery); lp_jquery2_0_3 = jQuery.noConflict(true); loadLPScript(); } }); break; default: loadJquery("https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/2.0.3/jquery.min.js", function() { if (typeof(jQuery) !=="undefined") { console.log("default version check loaded with version: " + jQuery.fn.jquery); lp_jquery2_0_3 = jQuery.noConflict(true); loadLPScript(); } }); break; } }) }; function loadLPScript() { var js = document.createElement("script"); js.type = "text/javascript"; js.src = "https://forum.amiga.org/Themes/default/scripts/LikePosts/LikePosts.min.js"; js.onload = function() { lpObj.likePostsNotification.init({ txtStrings: { "lpAllNotification": "All Notification", "lpMyPosts": "My Posts", "lpNoNotification": "Nothing to show at the moment" } }); } document.body.appendChild(js); } // ]]></script> <script type="text/javascript"><!-- // --><![CDATA[ var sisyphusKey = "topic-54832-reply"; // ]]></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="https://forum.amiga.org/Themes/default/scripts/sisyphus.js"></script> </dl> <div id="footer" class="smalltext"> <span class="smalltext" style="display: inline; visibility: visible; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;"><a href="?action=credits" title="Simple Machines Forum" target="_blank" class="new_win">SMF 2.0.19</a> | <a href="https://www.simplemachines.org/about/smf/license.php" title="License" target="_blank" class="new_win">SMF © 2021</a>, <a href="https://www.simplemachines.org" title="Simple Machines" target="_blank" class="new_win">Simple Machines</a> | <a id="button_agreement" href="https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?action=agreement"><span>Terms and Policies</span></a> </span> </div> </body> </html>