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Title: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: SysAdmin on September 14, 2010, 08:24:03 AM
We hope you have being enjoying Amiga.org in 2010. It is still here for you, the fans that have used it since 1994. We have worked hard to make it a great choice in the sea of Amiga, AROS & MorphOS fan sites. It has not changed much and that's on purpose. No Halo Reach, Teeth Whitening or Get Rich working from home Ads to be found. The founder of DiscreetFX hates crap like that and it makes many sites on the internet buggy, slow and garbage. Why do they sell their soul for a song?

We also avoid very annoying things like Vibrant Ads, large irrelevant graphic ads or any type of graphic ads for that matter. We may from time to time use small Google text Ads that are relevant to the content of the site. Your free to use Ad blockers to block those if they are of no interest to you. As we fast approach 2011 we would love to have your feedback on how we are doing. We are Amiga, MorphOS & AROS fans just like you and want you to enjoy the site. We are not alone and other great sites exist too. This is a good thing and diversity and choice will make our favorite hobbies and platforms grow and expand.

If you love what you see don't forget to feed the kitty. If you have suggestions for improvement we would love to hear them. Thanx again for your time and now back to you're regularly scheduled Amiga.org


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Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Akiko on September 14, 2010, 08:39:43 AM
Who Art Thou? :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: SysAdmin on September 14, 2010, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: Akiko;579192
Who Art Thou? :)


You're friendly neighborhood Spiderman (Amigaman).

:)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Franko on September 14, 2010, 10:02:17 AM
Even though I've only been on the net for a few months, I can safely say that Amiga.org is the best site I've had the privilege to use.  :biglaugh:

The one thing that puzzles me is, why do so many folk who use the sight on a regular basis not pay for a membership, I had only been on the sight for a few days and realized that it was well worth the small fee to become a full member. :)

C'mon folks cough up and help to make sure this fantastic site continues, it's money well spent. :D
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: jj on September 14, 2010, 12:18:42 PM
Was a member, sub ran out.  my paypal account been blocked because of suspected third party access.  As soon as I can be arsed to sort it out will renew.
 
Proud member since at least 2000 before the big hacks :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: the_leander on September 14, 2010, 12:28:03 PM
Quote from: JJ;579213

Proud member since at least 2000 before the big hacks :)


Same.

I'll buy a full membership just as soon as I'm gainfully employed again.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: gertsy on September 14, 2010, 01:13:47 PM
That's enough for me.  Got a good Amiga tip today, finally getting over a 3 week bug..  Feeling happy, I'm in for 12 months.....
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Franko on September 14, 2010, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: gertsy;579220
That's enough for me.  Got a good Amiga tip today, finally getting over a 3 week bug..  Feeling happy, I'm in for 12 months.....


Well done gertsy... :) :cool:

Keep Amiga.org alive... :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Tenacious on September 14, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
You are doing a great job!  Our community needs a home for all things classic and related.  Thank you for NOT trying to re-invent everything or further modernizing the site.  I think most ppl accept that Amiga will never again lead the cutting edge of web standards and protocol (did it ever?).


@ Karlos

Thank you for trying to accommodate Amiga browsers.  It is sort of rediculous that a site  solely about Amiga computers and technology was "modernized" (before the change in ownership) beyond Amiga browser capability.  Perhaps the new CSS code is rocking someone's world now, I don't see what the fuss was about.  The purpose of the site is the same as is the content.  Yes, I read all the compelling reasons that were supposed to make the change manditory, the driving software was obsolete and unavailable.  There were supposed to be only a handfull of us logging in with classic Amigas.  I just don't buy it all.

Thanks for a great job this past year.  Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Karlos on September 14, 2010, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: Tenacious;579226

@ Karlos

Thank you for trying to accommodate Amiga browsers.  It is sort of rediculous that a site  solely about Amiga computers and technology was "modernized" (before the change in ownership) beyond Amiga browser capability.  Perhaps the new CSS code is rocking someone's world now, I don't see what the fuss was about.  The purpose of the site is the same as is the content.  Yes, I read all the compelling reasons that were supposed to make the change manditory, the driving software was obsolete and unavailable.  There were supposed to be only a handfull of us logging in with classic Amigas.  I just don't buy it all.

Thanks for a great job this past year.  Sorry for the rant.


Well it was an interesting experiment to say the least :o)

However, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. My server stats show that it really is a small minority that are using the proxy.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: koshman on September 14, 2010, 01:51:33 PM
Thanks for having us:) The site is great as it is, no need to make any radical changes.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: TCMSLP on September 14, 2010, 01:59:57 PM
Yup, I should have subscribed before - but to be honest had forgotten all about it.  

I'm now also signed up for 12 months :D

Steve
TCM/SLP
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Tenacious on September 14, 2010, 02:18:07 PM
Quote from: Karlos;579229
Well it was an interesting experiment to say the least :o)

However, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. My server stats show that it really is a small minority that are using the proxy.

In truth, I haven't had a chance to use your server more than once yet.  My higher spec Amiga suffered HD failures last year and I'm only now close to having time to resolve it.

Perhaps you're right about the small minority.  OTOH, when the decision was made, I almost didn't come back.  I wonder if others felt the same.

Also, If I had not happened to see your post, I would not have known you made a way for iBrowse to still function.  I have not noticed any other indication that Amiga browsers are accommodated (I have often missed individual trees, overwhelmed by the forest).  If it's not there, it would be great if there were a BOLD link to "Classic Amiga Version" on the front page.  Maybe your proxy usage would increase. ;)

There, that's my suggestion for an improvement to the site!
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: koshman on September 14, 2010, 02:46:18 PM
Tenacious has a point. Those that were not here at the time Karlos announced his proxy may be completely unaware of its existence.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: CSixx on September 14, 2010, 03:24:23 PM
The new site owners have kept Amiga.org in the same spirit it always was, thats what matters.

fwiw, I use this site on my a1200/IBrowse all the time, aside from a vertically laid out menu, it's completely useable.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Tenacious on September 14, 2010, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: CSixx;579255
The new site owners have kept Amiga.org in the same spirit it always was, thats what matters.

I completely agree!

Quote from: CSixx;579255
fwiw, I use this site on my a1200/IBrowse all the time, aside from a vertically laid out menu, it's completely useable.

...useable? I suppose.

Is it attractive, intuitive, a good use of screen real estate, a good reflection of the Amiga spirit?  NO (iBrowse, Aweb).

If you have not tried Karlos' proxy, give it a go. He did an excellent job.  The site looks mostly the way it did before the change to the new server.  And, everything is functional (right Karlos? :)).
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: nadoom on September 14, 2010, 03:41:05 PM
Long live amiga.org ! :-)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: kolla on September 14, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
Once upon a time one could buy cups and shirts with amiga.org logo on them, through caffepress or something, and thereby support this site and get some nice merchandice while doing so. I remember I had two large amiga.org mugs and two long sleeved shirts. Sadly, at the time there was only white T-shirts - I hate white T-shirts (except when worn by pretty babes with... heh... mugs) - so if you would consider doing something similar today, I'd suggest some site that has coloured shirts :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: TCMSLP on September 14, 2010, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: kolla;579283
Once upon a time one could buy cups and shirts with amiga.org logo on them, through caffepress or something, and thereby support this site and get some nice merchandice while doing so. I remember I had two large amiga.org mugs and two long sleeved shirts. Sadly, at the time there was only white T-shirts - I hate white T-shirts (except when worn by pretty babes with... heh... mugs) - so if you would consider doing something similar today, I'd suggest some site that has coloured shirts :)


Fantastic idea - I'd buy a mug or three!
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: warpdesign on September 14, 2010, 04:38:24 PM
Quote

No Halo Reach, Teeth Whitening or Get Rich working from home Ads to be found.

Yeah, and what about limiting self-advertising as well ?

I'd rather see some small "Halo Reach" ads than all these repeated "Aladdin special offer for a 15 years old renderer" spam items...
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Pyromania on September 14, 2010, 05:35:24 PM
@warpdesign

Your wish is our command, the golden lamp has been rubbed. The quintessential Quantum computer has been switched on and an inter-dimensional twist in the very essence of time has been changed. A rip in the very fabric of reality has happend and your account has been changed so you never see Aladdin 4D press releases again.

You're Welcome


:)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: kolla on September 14, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Pyromania;579305
Your Welcome


You know what Amiga lacks?

Grammar correction software. :laughing:
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Tenacious on September 14, 2010, 05:52:11 PM
Uhhh, I don't mind Amiga advertizing.  Just him, right?

EDIT: "...and your account has been changed..." OK. Got it.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: koshman on September 14, 2010, 06:34:17 PM
...and guess what - if you donate there will no self or any other forms of advertising bothering you anymore :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Karlos on September 14, 2010, 06:42:23 PM
Quote from: nadoom;579264
Long live amiga.org ! :-)


Salaam, bob.

Holy crap, has it been a long time since I saw you here?!
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Piru on September 14, 2010, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: Tenacious;579237
If it's not there, it would be great if there were a BOLD link to "Classic Amiga Version" on the front page.

Why not have amiga.org 302 redirect certain user-agents to the proxy? (IBrowse, Amiga-AWeb, AmigaVoyager)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: kolla on September 14, 2010, 08:33:00 PM
Quote from: Piru;579359
Why not have amiga.org 302 redirect certain user-agents to the proxy? (IBrowse, Amiga-AWeb, AmigaVoyager)


Because everyone is spoofing mozille in the first place to see anything on the web? :laughing:
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Karlos on September 14, 2010, 08:40:51 PM
Quote from: Piru;579359
Why not have amiga.org 302 redirect certain user-agents to the proxy? (IBrowse, Amiga-AWeb, AmigaVoyager)

Could be interesting. For a while I was 302'ing all non-amiga browsers back to the main site. Imagine the potential redirect loops :D

I stopped when we first got that dodgy iframe as it was trivially easy to filter via the proxy ;)

Ideally, the proxy should live on a subdomain of this site.

Quote
Because everyone is spoofing mozille in the first place to see anything on the web?

However, "AmigaOS" still tends to appear in the user agent string ;)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: kolla on September 14, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: Karlos;579366
However, "AmigaOS" still tends to appear in the user agent string ;)


Yes, please do that - send everything with "AmigaOS" and "Mozilla" in it to the proxy, that will work out just GREAT! :roflmao:
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Karlos on September 14, 2010, 08:55:10 PM
Quote from: kolla;579370
Yes, please do that - send everything with "AmigaOS" and "Mozilla" in it to the proxy, that will work out just GREAT! :roflmao:


I meant that's how you can generally tell an amigaos browser spoofing something else. I wasn't suggesting the main site should redirect users to the proxy. If people want to use it, they can just use it.

Which reminds me, time to start bouncing out the non amiga browsers. I just checked the stats and, somewhat inevitably, most of the visitors were using IE/Windows.

I should just time them out, wasting my bandwidth like that ;)

It's pretty lame, but:
if (!preg_match('@amiga|morphos|aros|linux@i', $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) {
  header('Location: http://amiga.org/' . $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']);
  die();
}
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: kolla on September 14, 2010, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: Karlos;579372
I meant that's how you can generally tell an amigaos browser spoofing something else.
Except that one browser would not be spoofing ;)

Quote
I wasn't suggesting the main site should redirect users to the proxy.
Well, that was what Piru suggested, which made it oh so funny :D
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Karlos on September 14, 2010, 09:17:25 PM
Quote from: kolla;579377
Except that one browser would not be spoofing ;)


I'm sure it would be easy enough to identify timberwolf if there was a need.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Franko on September 15, 2010, 12:35:15 PM
Just out of interest Karlos, do you have figures for how many folk access this site using just an Amiga or using a PC/Mac etc.. :)
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Karlos on September 15, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
Quote from: Franko;579505
Just out of interest Karlos, do you have figures for how many folk access this site using just an Amiga or using a PC/Mac etc.. :)


Nope, only the ones that go via my proxy. There are probably about two dozen regulars that use it that are seemingly using amiga browsers.

As I said, not many.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: Fingers on September 15, 2010, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: Karlos;579229
My server stats show that it really is a small minority that are using the proxy.


I only hit it half the time...that is, IBrowse on A1200 looks fine going straight to Amiga.org...IBrowse on the A2000 NEEDS the proxy to make this place even half useable.

Good work man!

PZ.
Title: Re: Amiga.org New Ownership - Almost One Year Has Past
Post by: SysAdmin on September 17, 2010, 07:35:02 AM
Don't forget to feed the Kitty please.

:)