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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: dougal on September 05, 2010, 09:40:58 PM
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For some reason all of a sudden OS3.9 is giving me major hassle.
Once the OS screen came up it was saying "Attempting to load program WBCLOCK" and would freeze
So i rebooted with no startup sequence and deleted WBCLOCK from WBSTARTUP
Then next reboot it said "Attempting to load program Amiboing" and freeze again
So i deleted Amiboing from WBStartup
Now its saying "Attempting to load program C:Mount" and freezing again
WTF???
How can i fix this?
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Virus?
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Virus?
I suppose there still are amiga viri in the wild. My first suggestion would be to see if the system is bootable from any other medium.
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The problem seems to be when OS 3.9 tries to launch stuff in WBSTARTUP as just before it freezes it does show OS3.9 desktop
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For some reason all of a sudden OS3.9 is giving me major hassle.
Once the OS screen came up it was saying "Attempting to load program WBCLOCK" and would freeze
So i rebooted with no startup sequence and deleted WBCLOCK from WBSTARTUP
Then next reboot it said "Attempting to load program Amiboing" and freeze again
So i deleted Amiboing from WBStartup
Now its saying "Attempting to load program C:Mount" and freezing again
WTF???
How can i fix this?
What file system are you using on your hard drive?
I've seen this lately with PFS2, it usually means the media my boot partition sits upon is starting the slide to oblivion. My SCSI drives are rather old. I've had to re-think the way I organize and protect data. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong.
Do you have backups?
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What file system are you using on your hard drive?
I've seen this lately with PFS2, it usually means the media my boot partition sits upon is starting the slide to oblivion. My SCSI drives are rather old. I've had to re-think the way I organize and protect data. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong.
Do you have backups?
AFAIK the file system is SFS. I bought my A4000T from a friend of mine and i believe that he had formatted it as SFS. I never touched the formatting as if i remember right it already had a fresh install of OS3.9.
What i can say is that when the problem started (Attempting to load program WBCLOCK) i would reboot or else switch off and on again and the problem would go away and it would load up properly. It started this about a week ago. I thought the problem had to do with a failing Clock battery.
Yesterday when i tried rebooting or off/on again the problem remained and now my OS3.9 installation is what one can say totally unusable as it freezes as soon as the "Attempting to load......" thingy comes up.
Should i try renaming the WBSTARTUP folder to something else and see what happens or is there something else i can try?
I have another partition with Workbench 3.1 on the same hard drive. Should i try booting with that instead and use some tool to fix 3.9 ?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Should i try renaming the WBSTARTUP folder to something else and see what happens or is there something else i can try?
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That's a good starting point; then launch the items there one by one and look what happens.
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You can also try WBStartup+ (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/WBStartup+) that fixed some of my freezing problems with WBStartup-items quite a while ago. You should check your partitions (especially WB) with some viri-checker like VirusZIII (http://www.vht-dk.dk/amiga/download.htm). There are also other viruscheckers for download.
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UPDATE:
I booted with no startup-sequence and renamed the WBSTARTUP to WBSTART.
Rebooted and OS3.9 booted up properly with no crashes. Of course the Dock and other stuff from WBSTARTUP did not load up.
When i double clicked the dock that opened up fine, but anything else such as MagicMenu and other stuff from that folder are causing the Amiga to freeze.
I havent done any further testing or checkups as i didnt have enough time this morning.
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You have not really described what you mean with "freeze", is it total hang, or is mouse and intuition alive?
I'd try to isolate the real problem first. Boot while pressing alt key to have loadwb skip wbstartup, and then check out the program in wbstartup, for example...
* do they start if you start them manually by double clicking them?
* do they have "Wait till finished" checked?
* are the protection bits sane?
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UPDATE:
I booted with no startup-sequence and renamed the WBSTARTUP to WBSTART.
OK, that works, but you could just have pressed ALT key instead :)
When i double clicked the dock that opened up fine, but anything else such as MagicMenu and other stuff from that folder are causing the Amiga to freeze.
Sounds interesting :)
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You have not really described what you mean with "freeze", is it total hang, or is mouse and intuition alive?
I'd try to isolate the real problem first. Boot while pressing alt key to have loadwb skip wbstartup, and then check out the program in wbstartup, for example...
* do they start if you start them manually by double clicking them?
* do they have "Wait till finished" checked?
* are the protection bits sane?
Nothing works.. Without WBSTARTUP it boots into OS3.9 but if i try and run anything it just freezes. By freezing i mean the screen remains the same and i cannot move the mouse pointer and no error messages. Nothing. Even WHDLoad wont work. Some stuff works. SYSINFO worked for example. EASYADF loaded but wont quit and wont do anything but the Amiga is not crashed or frozen.
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Sounds like a RAM or Libs problem to me
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I booted into my Workbench 3.1 partition and it seems to be working perfectly into 3.1 but OS 3.9 is with the problems mentioned above :S
This is really frustrating me now
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Even MagicMenu works fine in 3.1 but is freezing my 3.9 (along with the other programs that are also freezing it). It used to work perfectly in 3.9
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How can i fix? I am sure it software
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How can i fix? I am sure it software
Does your HD have multiple partitions (SYS3.1, SYS3.9, Work:, APPS, etc)? Is 3.9 installed on the first partition (DH0: )?
Just to be safe, it might be wise to backup your 3.9 partition, especially those files that make your 68060 play nicely with PIV, keyfiles, registrations, etc. If it turn out your filesystem is corrupted, you can: reformat the partition, repartition and reformat the whole drive, replace the drive. If it is something simple, well, you still have backups.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'm trying to recover my system from what you are describing on your system. When I fixed one non-sense error, others replaced it. It was like the system had forgotten where to find things. Eventually, it spread to my other partitions too. I tried to backup too late to another HD. When I tried to move data from a bad partition to the new HD, it appeared to work until it froze. Upon reboot, no files had been moved.
Good Luck
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If your drive and partitions are "big", be sure you use a scsi.device and filesystem that are capable of handling them right.
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PROBLEM SEEMS SOLVED.
Dont know how, but i inserted the OS3.9 install CD and selected a new install.
At 40% it stopped but the Amiga did not crash or freeze.
I rebooted with the WBSTARTUP folder as it is supposed to be and everything worked perfectly.
Maybe it fixed some files? I dont know, but i am Happy now :)
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Its doing it again!!!!!!!
I need help fast here before i get an axe and smash this stupid A4000t to pieces.
Pleaaaasssseee
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Horribly annoying
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What kind of help do you want?
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Sounds like his partition is corrupted. I'd backup the important stuff and re-partition and reformat. Maybe even replace the hard drive since it's so old.
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What kind of help do you want?
The Amiga developed a problem where every now and then it would FREEZE when it starts loading items from WBStartup. Usually a reset would solve it.
But then it started doing it ALL the time.
I managed to boot holding the ALT key (disabiling WBSTARTUP), but nothing would run as the Amiga would freeze.
So i inserted the OS3.9 disc and started an installation over the old one and it stopped at 40%.
I rebooted and the Amiga worked 100% fine for a day or so and then started doing that problem, but not all the time and a reset would usually help.
Now its doing it ALL the time again.
The OS3.1 partition on the same hard drive is fine.
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And do you have some input to what I wrote in post 18?
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If your drive and partitions are "big", be sure you use a scsi.device and filesystem that are capable of handling them right.
The hard drive is a 1Gb so the partitions are not that big at all. It is a SCSI hard drive.
scsi.device is not present
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Once in a while it does actually boot up properly. It just did now.
But i tried loading something (SysSpeed from the OS3.9 partition) and it didnt load. no messages nothing. Then the mouse moves and all, but if i click on an icon or close button it shows the click but does nothing. same with right clock, i see the rightclick options but they do nothing.
Now i reset and tried loading a game in whdload and it loaded perfectly. Note games are on a different partition.
This is really messed up
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When machine freezes, is the HD light constantly on?
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Really sounds to me like your hard drive is broken. You will need to get a new hard drive and reinstall OS 3.9 on it, along with any stuff you backed up.
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When machine freezes, is the HD light constantly on?
Nope. There is no HD access and the light is off
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Really sounds to me like your hard drive is broken. You will need to get a new hard drive and reinstall OS 3.9 on it, along with any stuff you backed up.
The problems appear to be from the OS3.9 partition.
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Hmm, assuming you have a backup of all your important stuff from the 3.9 partition, could you format that partition and re-install OS3.9 from scratch? I had to do that to a 3GB SCSI partition that was acting odd.....
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Did you reinstall anything or add or change any files at all between the aborted 3.9 install and when it started acting up again? It does sound like the hard drive's on its way out to me, but as was suggested before, if there's an incompatible library (cpu libraries maybe?) installed, certain software might be triggering it which the OS itself doesn't use... Maybe FPU library or something?
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For some reason all of a sudden OS3.9 is giving me major hassle.
Once the OS screen came up it was saying "Attempting to load program WBCLOCK" and would freeze
So i rebooted with no startup sequence and deleted WBCLOCK from WBSTARTUP
Then next reboot it said "Attempting to load program Amiboing" and freeze again
So i deleted Amiboing from WBStartup
Now its saying "Attempting to load program C:Mount" and freezing again
WTF???
How can i fix this?
first bookmark this AmigaOS 3.9 homepage FAQ
http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/installtips.html
and since you can boot in AOS3.1 with SFS, i would try a SFSCheck* to the AOS 3.9 partition.
The HD broken, some missing libraries and/or a corrupted AmigaOS3.9 installation CD are valid options as well.
Good luck!
* SFSCheck is in the main SFS archive on http://strohmayer.org/
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Hmm, assuming you have a backup of all your important stuff from the 3.9 partition, could you format that partition and re-install OS3.9 from scratch? I had to do that to a 3GB SCSI partition that was acting odd.....
Hmmm well i guess ill give that a go this weekend.
Ill probably be opening another thread asking for advice on a replacement hard drive soon.
Thanks and thanks to everyone else who helped me.
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avoid to open another thread ... it would be a wast of the already collected hints over here.
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Try setting MaxTransfer value to your OS39-partition to 0x1fe00 in HDToolBox.
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Try setting MaxTransfer value to your OS39-partition to 0x1fe00 in HDToolBox.
Could that help?
OS3.9 has been installed since December and it was fine until recently
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Interesting to note is that i found that if I go into the early startup before booting and then click on boot, OS3.9 loads up properly.
But even so, once loaded if i try and load most stuff from that partition, the program does not load and i get the thing where i can move the mouse , left click and right click are acknoleged , but they do nothing.
But why would going into early startup (and doing nothing) and then pressing Boot make OS3.9 load up with no freezing.
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I ran VirusZIII as recomended and it keeps popping up a window saying it found Fungus/LSD virus and removed it from memory. But every time i click continue and 3 seconds later it pops up again.
EDIT: I read about this virus and it says it is common that c:mount would be affected. so i checked that file and it was in fact infected. I disinfected it and OS3.9 (touch wood) appears to be working perfectly.
http://www.vht-dk.dk/amiga/desc/txt/fungus.htm
EDIT: Wow the Amiga (on all partitions) has literally hundreds if not thousands of files infected with this virus... VirusZIII is currently disinfecting them
EDIT: Virus completely removed from all partitions, but its still sometimes hassling me , but not as much. Will keep a wait and see approach.
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Just one more question (i promise).
All seems ok as i seem to get round the freezing problem by doing the following:
Go into Early Startup and then hit Boot
Amiga boots up perfectly including all items in WB-Startup
If i dont do that, then the Amiga will freeze while loading WBSTARTUP
What does that mean? Maybe the HD needs more time to startup after reset or power-on?
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Could the problems be related to the fact that the BATTERY is dead?
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Could the problems be related to the fact that the BATTERY is dead?
It seems there are some important parameters backed by the battery in an A3000. I've never owned an A4000 so I couldn't say.
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well, if there are viruses for 3.9 I guess I'll stay in the dark with 3.1
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well, if there are viruses for 3.9 I guess I'll stay in the dark with 3.1
It would be much the same. In fact, a virus maybe more easily caught under 3.9, because it is probably relying on older AmigOS structures, and will cause some missbehaviour on a 3.9 setup.