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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Orkin on September 05, 2010, 03:26:03 AM
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Okay, so I decided to increase the size of the existing Amiga community by one yesterday, and I dug out my A4000 (with a Toaster), found my connectors (minus a keyboard adapter), and fired her up. I about a half hour later, my screen went dark, and I determined that I have a bad fast RAM SIMM.
So, I have to purchase some memory, a keyboard adapter, and probably a bunch of other stuff to get this thing ready for prime time. I have 3.0 kickstart ROMs, so I am sure that has to go, but I kinda want to make this thing ready for AOS 4.1.
Just a few questions:
1. What should I plan on buying?
2. What hardware do I need for an appropriate accelerator? Where can I find one that isn't prohibitively expensive?
3. Do I need a ZorRAM card, or how much memory is appropriate for OS4?
4. Can I just plug any old IDE CDROM drive in, or is there anything I need to be aware of?
5. What should I get for network connectivity?
Thanks for your help. I am really looking forward to using this again, but I honestly don't have much A4000 experience. I used to use an A2000 regularly, but that was a long time ago.
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Okay, so I decided to increase the size of the existing Amiga community by one yesterday, and I dug out my A4000 (with a Toaster), found my connectors (minus a keyboard adapter), and fired her up. I about a half hour later, my screen went dark, and I determined that I have a bad fast RAM SIMM.
So, I have to purchase some memory, a keyboard adapter, and probably a bunch of other stuff to get this thing ready for prime time. I have 3.0 kickstart ROMs, so I am sure that has to go, but I kinda want to make this thing ready for AOS 4.1.
Just a few questions:
1. What should I plan on buying?
A CyberStorm 604 233Mhz 060 and AmigaOS4 for classic machines
2. What hardware do I need for an appropriate accelerator? Where can I find one that isn't prohibitively expensive?
See above and I can't say where you'd get one cheap, maybe a lower spec one
Join http://www.amibay.com a site that buys and sells Amiga gear.
3. Do I need a ZorRAM card, or how much memory is appropriate for OS4?
If you have 128 Megs on the Cyberstorm this is plenty of ram for everything
you will need to run. The only thing I can think of that would benefit is if you
wish to run the m68k OWB web browser and if you want to push the limits
of any ray tracing package... although I do quite extensive scenes with Imagine
and never ran out of memory...
4. Can I just plug any old IDE CDROM drive in, or is there anything I need to be aw
are of?
As long as the plug fits there shouldn't be anything to consider
5. What should I get for network connectivity?
I use the Ariadne II card
Thanks for your help. I am really looking forward to using this again, but I honestly don't have much A4000 experience. I used to use an A2000 regularly, but that was a long time ago.
No worries
good luck :)
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You may need a graphics card too
CyberVisionPPC
PicassoIV
Cybervision64/3D
Cybervision64
etc etc...
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Hey
Glad you are getting the a4k going! its too nice a machine to collect dust. FYI we have In Stock a complete a4000 ram kit - 5 simms good for replacement or backups for $25 shipped! in usa. Let me know..Guaranteed to work!
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You could get a Flyer card for your Toaster so it's not lonely.
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Hey
Glad you are getting the a4k going! its too nice a machine to collect dust. FYI we have In Stock a complete a4000 ram kit - 5 simms good for replacement or backups for $25 shipped! in usa. Let me know..Guaranteed to work!
What's the URL? The one in your signature doesn't seem to be working.
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You could get a Flyer card for your Toaster so it's not lonely.
Ooh, I like this idea!
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A CyberStorm 604 233Mhz 060 and AmigaOS4 for classic machines
See above and I can't say where you'd get one cheap, maybe a lower spec one
Join www.amibay.com (http://www.amibay.com) a site that buys and sells Amiga gear.
Thanks for that one. I've never seen that site before. I haven't found a CyberStorm just yet, but I'll keep looking. I don't need anything special to use a CyberStorm, do I? Does it just plug into a ZORRO III slot?
I use the Ariadne II card
I'll have to look for this one, since I'm unfamiliar with it. Thanks for all your advice!
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Ooh, I like this idea!
I heard they might have some.
http://www.discreetfx.com/amigaproducts.html
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I don't need anything special to use a CyberStorm, do I? Does it just plug into a ZORRO III slot?
It plugs into your CPU slot not the A4000 daughter board. I think I recognise you
bidding on a CS at the moment. The only thing you might need to do is change
a few jumpers on your board to Ext. Ask the seller about this. (of course, if
you have an 040 CPU installed it would have already been done.
I'll have to look for this one, since I'm unfamiliar with it. Thanks for all your advice!
It worked well in my A4000 towerised Setup running OS4
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It plugs into your CPU slot not the A4000 daughter board. I think I recognise you
bidding on a CS at the moment. The only thing you might need to do is change
a few jumpers on your board to Ext. Ask the seller about this. (of course, if
you have an 040 CPU installed it would have already been done.
It worked well in my A4000 towerised Setup running OS4
Yep, that's me! My machine is an 040, so that shouldn't be a problem. Now I have to figure out what the CPU slot is. :)
If anyone knows of any less pricey PPC cards out there, I'm all ears...
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Check out these sites to read up a bit about your bits and pieces
http://amiga.resource.cx/
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/ and/or http://www.bboah.com/
I do have a spare 604e but I'm not sure what config it is and I'm not likely to know for quite some time... so good luck! :)
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I dont know why no one else said this, but seriously, if its OS4 you want to run you should get a SAM board, the A4000 wont even run the latest OS4 version and to get it up to speed i can see you using more cash on it then a SAM and it will be much slower in useage. If it were me, id just keep the A4000 for retro things and get a SAM board asap.
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I dont know why no one else said this, but seriously, if its OS4 you want to run you should get a SAM board, the A4000 wont even run the latest OS4 version and to get it up to speed i can see you using more cash on it then a SAM and it will be much slower in useage. If it were me, id just keep the A4000 for retro things and get a SAM board asap.
I am suspecting you may be right. Since I can get a full system for the price of one of those CyberStorm boards, and there's no telling when the X1000 will be out, I think that may be the way to go.
I'd still really like to get the A4000 up and running, though, for nostalgia purposes, I guess.
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Don't forget to check the battery for leakage.
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Don't forget to check the battery for leakage.
Is that a common problem in A4000's? That highlights another questions I've had: are there components that I should replace no matter what at this point just because they're old, likely to fail, or just good ideas?
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I dont know why no one else said this, but seriously, if its OS4 you want to run you should get a SAM board, the A4000 wont even run the latest OS4 version and to get it up to speed i can see you using more cash on it then a SAM and it will be much slower in useage. If it were me, id just keep the A4000 for retro things and get a SAM board asap.
Now come on, there's no reason why he can't have both!
OS4 on the PPC is very nice... I used it for a long time before I got my first SAM...
We've been talking across boards and I actually recommended on Amibay that he skip SAMep and SAMFlex and go right for a SAM460
But when he first posted here he seemed pretty determined to get his A4000 up to spec (although he does single out OS4 as a goal) If it had been someone else and someone recommended them going to a SAM instead the response probably would have been, I know about the NG Amigas I'm not interested in going there :crazy:
in any case it all seems to be working out nicely :juggler:
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are there components that I should replace no matter what at this point just because they're old, likely to fail, or just good ideas?
Not really as long as it's been stored well... I mean lets face it if its been too damp things just might not work as they should anymore...
Depending on how far you want to go in supping up your A4000 (in light of the SAM revelation) due to incompatiabilities between expansion boards you might want to check that your Buster Chip is revision 11... but sometimes this is hit and miss anyway so perhaps only explore this is you get it altogether and there are quirks in areas once operational...
Now it may all sound problemactic but I assure you anything is easy 1 step at a time :hammer:
As for battery leaking it does seem to be a problem especially for people storing there stuff vertically (acid can run down the MB) but the drier its been the more likely your battery will be okay... in my very vast collection of hardware I've only ever encountered one leaky battery and that was on a A3000 Desktop I'd only just picked up in a recent auction...
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Depending on how far you want to go in supping up your A4000 (in light of the SAM revelation) due to incompatiabilities between expansion boards you might want to check that your Buster Chip is revision 11... but sometimes this is hit and miss anyway so perhaps only explore this is you get it altogether and there are quirks in areas once operational...
Well, if the "390539-11" on the chip means it's revision 11, I'm in good shape on the Buster.
As for battery leaking it does seem to be a problem especially for people storing there stuff vertically (acid can run down the MB) but the drier its been the more likely your battery will be okay... in my very vast collection of hardware I've only ever encountered one leaky battery and that was on a A3000 Desktop I'd only just picked up in a recent auction...
I haven't seen any indication of battery leakage, but I'd probably want a new battery anyway, wouldn't I? I mean, batteries don't hold their charge forever, or isn't that a factor with these?
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Now come on, there's no reason why he can't have both!
I kinda agree on this. I'd like to get it running and network them. Plus it just feels good having the A4000 up and running like my old A2000 and A3000.
As an aside, the reason I'm a bit unfamiliar with the A4000 is I picked this up from an acquaintance several years ago, but never did much with it. I played with it a bit, but moved shortly thereafter, and it's been sitting in a basement ever since.
I'm a Linux guy the last 13 years; gotta relearn this stuff!
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Unless you are rich you should forget about AmigaOS4.0 cos a Cyberstorm PPC (the only PPC card for an A4000) will set you back more money than a top spec modern PC.
Get AmigaOS3.x and enjoy it.
I'd remove the battery as soon as you can. I wouldn't bother replacing it. I've not.
Networking on Amiga 4000 is expensive. You'll need to pay at least €75 for an X-Surf ethernet card.
A better buy if you MUST have networking would be a €120 Deneb USB2.0 host card + a €5 USB Ethernet dongle. You get to use all the USB devices you like and Deneb's Flash ROM means don't need to buy Kickstart 3.1 ROM chips to use Amiga OS3.9.
I say for the moment, keep your money in your pocket. No need for a network to transfer files. Buy a €5 IDE->CF panel adapter (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270623293320) & Compact Flash card. It fits easily in an expansion slot in the back and allows you to use a Compact Flash card as the primary hard drive. You can take it out and install the OS / transfer files on your main computer quickly and easily.