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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: carvedeye on September 03, 2010, 09:56:13 PM
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Hi all im trying to get my Sam440EP System up and running but im getting no post i have connected a 20 pin ATX PSU to the power connector and attached the power switch ,reset and power led to it but im getting no post i have tryed it with 512mb dimm with it a nd with out it any ideas have missed something?
TIA Ray
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any one ? there must be someone who can help im in panic mode here?
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Have you tried contacting Acube or the vendor for support? I don't own a Sam and many here don't (though some do).
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i bought it on ebay from a member of a.org?
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Is the power supply ok? I have had two power supplies die on PC systems.
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its a brand new case and a brand new psu?
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there are jumper switches near the cmos battery do i need to set them or something?
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could it be because it was from norway and im in britain that i need to change something on the motherboard?
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i bought it on ebay from a member of a.org?
Did you try contacting this member? You could still try contacting Acube for support, the board may still be under warranty. Did you get a manual with it?
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could it be because it was from norway and im in britain that i need to change something on the motherboard?
No.
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...is there a power switch on the back of the PSU?
Any power to the drives when you try turning it on?
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...is there a power switch on the back of the PSU?
True, good point. Do you know the power supply is good? Is there a power switch on the back of the power supply and on? Is there a 110/220 switch on the back and is it switched to 220?
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I have 0 (ZERO) experience with SAM, but some PC motherboards used to ship with the clear CMOS jumper set and you have to change this jumper before using it. You really need a manual, maybe Acube has one online for download?
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could it be because it was from norway and im in britain that i need to change something on the motherboard?
No.
Everything from Norway must be changed, in one way or another...
:-P
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...is there a power switch on the back of the PSU?
Any power to the drives when you try turning it on?
Yeah power switch is on. im getting power just no post/screen it just keeps saying no signal on my monitor? i hope to god the board is not dead. i build pc's as a hobby and have been doing this for 13 years and usually when this happens with a motherboard it is faulty im just praying this is not the case :( im getting power to the drives, ive ejected the cd drive etc and it works fine im just stumped?
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I have 0 (ZERO) experience with SAM, but some PC motherboards used to ship with the clear CMOS jumper set and you have to change this jumper before using it. You really need a manual, maybe Acube has one online for download?
no CMOS Jumper on the board but i did take out the battery and tryed it that way but still no luck.
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dont know what i did but.......ITS ALIVE woohoo.
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Using a standard DVI monitor, or a DVI to VGA adapter?
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its a brand new case and a brand new psu?
Even brand new stuff can actually be broken. I have had a broken brand new PSU myself once. Do you have a different one you can try? You haven't confused/mixed up the reset/power switch wires from the case? Or the pins you connect them to? Sam440 ep, that's the one with on-board GFX, right? Otherwise a GFX card present can be necessary on some motherboards I have come across in the past. Memory module is correctly inserted? Try removing it, and insert it again, firmly, it should click into place. Does the Sam require some ATA unit present? Sounds strange perhaps, but I'm just dropping suggestions here...
BTW, you are sure the thing actually works, and isn't broken?
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dont know what i did but.......ITS ALIVE woohoo.
Congratulations! :)
What was wrong?
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The moment you hook a good PSU up to the ATX jack on the mobo the green LED on the SAM mobo should light up as long as there is AC power to the PSU (PSU on or off).
Can't miss it, try that first.
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Congratulations! :)
What was wrong?
I think I've read that sams draw so little power that some modern PSUs won't send any current.
That may explain why the drives worked as they would draw the expected current from the PSU.
Complete guess though.
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I think I've read that sams draw so little power that some modern PSUs won't send any current.
That may explain why the drives worked as they would draw the expected current from the PSU.
Complete guess though.
Come to think of it, it's a very good "guess". I'd even say you hit the nail on its head! :) You are absolutely right, this is the case with "modern" PSU's. Or let's rather call them "todays *higher wattage* PSU's" instead, because AFAIK, modern *low watt* PSU's doesn't "suffer" from this "problem"...
:)
Good thing it works now! :)
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Believe it or not I think it was because I did not have the USB keyboard and mouse connected when I was trying to boot however I'm trying to install aos4.1 on to the hard drive but it hangs I'm guessing this is because it is a 640 gb hd where as I think the Sam only supports upto 500 gb or am I wrong?
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Go to the ACube web site and download the manual for the SAMep I have one at home but I'm at work...
You need to follow the instructions and make sure you have the HD and CDrom in the right SATA ports...
Start there
oh I see there was another page to this ordeal and you've got it running but now your drive is too big?
Enter the early boot up menu etc and set your boot device as the CDRom and see if you can just get a screen up etc... the hanging could be due to the internet initialising but if you don't have it on the harddrive already I'm not sure that would be a problem if not setup to start with...
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I have the manual. So a hard drive bigger than 500 gb will work?
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I think I've read that sams draw so little power that some modern PSUs won't send any current.
That may explain why the drives worked as they would draw the expected current from the PSU.
Complete guess though.
I think I experienced this when I swapped out my 667 for the new 800 Flex... it wouldn't go in the nice snap in Thermaltake Tower case so ended up putting the Flex in the old A1 Tower... never got around to putting the 667 back in the nice new tower though it lives in an antistatic bag :lol:
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I do recall something like that but for completion sake wouldn't you like to see it boot all the way into the workbench even if it's cdrom based?
and besides, you need to do this to pre your HD anyway etc
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What do you mean cd rom based do you mean like a live cd?
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I currently use a 750 watt Power PC and Cooling PSU and 1 TB HD on my SAM with zero issues, and have used many different HW configs with the SAM with 0 issues. Everything from a 100w PSU to a 1000w Ultra PSU, 80 GB to a 2 TB HD.
Only issues I ever had with it were the SATA port issue that Slayer suggested above. Make sure you have all the drives on the right ports as per the SAM manual and it is set to boot off the CD.
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I mean you'd use your OS4.x cdrom to boot up then you'd use the tools on the cdrom to prepare and format your drive (this is when you'd discover where your drive is recognised or not) you install OS4.x and away you go (eject your cdrom and this time boot of your HD)
Don't try and use any template (not sure if they fixed it or not) just follow the instructions in the manual about what partitions to setup... since you have so much space it's up to you what size you make things but I wouldn't get too carried away with your SWAP partition (I don't even have one LOL) eg if you have a 512meg SAM then have a 1gig SWAP for example...
also, I think the default mask value for the SWAP or one of them is incorrect, check it after you've created it...
good luck! time for a shower and out for dinner for me!
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I have made some progress (well sort of) I went and purchased a new sata2 hard drive and hooked it up to the Sam booted up and managed to get go the workbench screen followed the onscreen stuff like setting up the languages and stuff got to the hard drive part tried to partition hard drive but an error came up saying it could not format the drive so I restarted the system to start over again and now every time I try to start the installation it hangs on the amigaos 4.1 screen any ideas ?
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I have made some progress (well sort of) I went and purchased a new sata2 hard drive and hooked it up to the Sam booted up and managed to get go the workbench screen followed the onscreen stuff like setting up the languages and stuff got to the hard drive part tried to partition hard drive but an error came up saying it could not format the drive so I restarted the system to start over again and now every time I try to start the installation it hangs on the amigaos 4.1 screen any ideas ?
Hi Carvedeye,
I've found a step-by-step installation guide that might be of help. You can find the link below:
http://www.ngi-info.com/downloads/AmigaOS_4.1_Installation_Guide/Installation_AmigaOS_4.1_Sam440EP_English.pdf
I believe this is more detailed than the guide in the manual that came with the OS.
Hope this was of help. :)
Cheers!
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That's great but my problem is that when I first tried to install amiga os 4.1 I got all the way to the partition screen try to format cd0 (which I forgot was the DVD drive not the hard drive) so decided to restart the system and start over again but when it is finished installing the kickstart config and I'm presented with the amiga Os 4.1 screen it hangs, I'm getting no drive. Activity at all.
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Puni/Void am i doing something wrong? did i do something to the hard drive?
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Puni/Void am i doing something wrong? did i do something to the hard drive?
I don't think you've caused any damage to the harddrive. Can you select "boot from CD-ROM" in the boot-menu? Then it should boot straight off the CD and you can install the OS again. Be careful when partitioning and follow the guidelines. :)
You can also try holding down both mouse buttons during startup to see if you can enter the Amiga boot menu, just like on the A1200 for example. By doing this, you can check if it works without startup-sequence.
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im trying to boot from the cd rom it loads all the kickstart files etc.. but when the amigaos 4.1 screen appears the cd-rom spins for few seconds and hd led then i get no activity i have left it for a 10- 15 mins at a time to see if carrys on spinng but nothing happens it just hangs. i tried holding both mouse buttons down but it just continues to boot from the cd drive?
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what if i was to install linux debian for the sam and then install amigaos 4.1 from there?
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Once the system has loaded the Kickstart into memory and it resets, please press down both mouse buttons. This should bring forth a preboot menu.
Please also try to disconnect the Ethernet cable to see if that works. If I'm not mistaken, the boot-sequence stops until a net connection is made. Might be wrong down, but worth a shot.
im trying to boot from the cd rom it loads all the kickstart files etc.. but when the amigaos 4.1 screen appears the cd-rom spins for few seconds and hd led then i get no activity i have left it for a 10- 15 mins at a time to see if carrys on spinng but nothing happens it just hangs. i tried holding both mouse buttons down but it just continues to boot from the cd drive?
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Ive made a video of the sam booting up and the amigaos 4.1 trying to install, uploading it to youtube :)
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I've found this on another forum:
"-HD goes in J20, DVD in J23
- make sure to plug your ethernet cable into port0 (one at outer edge of MB)
- the USB keyboard must be installed on the higher/upper USB connector at rear of MB"
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yeah thats how its setup but still just hangs? all i want to do is play on my new miggy :(
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heres a link for the sam video ive made http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6dVXVnwKrQ
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did anyone check out the video?
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I saw the video just now. How about booting without startup-sequence, type "set echo on" in the shell and "execute s:startup-sequence" and then see where in the startup-sequence it hangs?
I don't have a SAM or OS4.1, but that's what I would do on OS3, OS4.0, MorphOS, AROS etc. :)
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how do i boot without startup sequence?
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Press ctrl-amiga-amiga while holding down both mouse buttons or help button, or rather the equivalent for OS4.1 (ctrl+win+win and scroll lock for help?) to enter early-startup, and select "Boot without startup-sequence". Maybe it works to just hold in scroll-lock while powering on, I don't know. Doesn't OS4.1 and SAM come with manuals? :)
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yeah but the manuals are not as detailed as they could be :(
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well it's midnight and ive got to goto bed for work tomorrow so will give it another try tomorrow afternoon night night all :)
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Could it be because I have sata2 hard drive connected? Or is it capable of running both the sata2 and sata1 drives?
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Could it be because I have sata2 hard drive connected? Or is it capable of running both the sata2 and sata1 drives?
I'm not 100 percent sure, but the SAM440EP sports the Silicon Image 3114 controller. According to the specifications I found, it is compliant with the SATA 1.0 specification. I've tried searching on Google and found bits and pieces of information in various discussion forums. From what I've read, it doesn't seem like the SAM supports SATA2.
If I'm wrong and someone knows it works, please correct me. :)
Sil 3114 is SATA 1 only, does not support SATA II speed nor extended features
Found the above info in this forum:
http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=707.0 (http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=707.0)
It should be a jumper you can set on the SATA2 devices, so that they operate in SATA mode. Maybe worth trying?
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Could it be because I have sata2 hard drive connected?
No
Or is it capable of running both the sata2 and sata1 drives?
Yes. SATA2 devices work as SATA1 with SATA1 compatible controller.
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Ok, thanks for clearing that bit up, Piru. :)
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Well I just don't know what I have done for it not to install? I feel like banging my head against a wall lol. I just don't understand how when I first tried to install os 4.1 it took me all the way to partitioning the hd ( but I stupidly decided to restart the system and try again ) but now it just hangs on the amigaos 4.1 screen and then get no drive activity and really don't want to go out and buy another hd. :(
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Well I just don't know what I have done for it not to install? I feel like banging my head against a wall lol. I just don't understand how when I first tried to install os 4.1 it took me all the way to partitioning the hd ( but I stupidly decided to restart the system and try again ) but now it just hangs on the amigaos 4.1 screen and then get no drive activity and really don't want to go out and buy another hd. :(
Does the Live CD work when booting it without a HD connected?
I see that you're using the new HD you bought. What happens if you try the old one again?
Have you tried the elimination method? Removing one piece of equipment at the time to see if you can locate the error?
Are you dual-booting with Linux. If yes, does Linux run?
I agree it is very strange that it worked before, but now it doesn't after you did that reset. :(
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Does the Live CD work when booting it without a HD connected?
I see that you're using the new HD you bought. What happens if you try the old one again?
Have you tried the elimination method? Removing one piece of equipment at the time to see if you can locate the error?
Are you dual-booting with Linux. If yes, does Linux run?
I agree it is very strange that it worked before, but now it doesn't after you did that reset. :(
I don't know, I'm at work at the moment but will give it a go. Yeah I've tried both hard drives still nothing?
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could it be that i need update uboot loader?
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I saw the video just now. How about booting without startup-sequence, type "set echo on" in the shell and "execute s:startup-sequence" and then see where in the startup-sequence it hangs?
I don't have a SAM or OS4.1, but that's what I would do on OS3, OS4.0, MorphOS, AROS etc. :)
Managed to boot without startup sequence and it hangs on c: Iprefs?
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Hi Ray,
I think we're closing in on the solution here.... Found the info below for you. It is in a thread at Amigaworld.net (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=27292&forum=14&post_id=462670&refresh=Go)
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My problem seems to stem from IPrefs hanging for some unknown reason. I had done enough tests to determine that this is also where it hangs when booting from the CD.
I had IPrefs hang up on me once, and found out that the RTC got stuck. You might want to check that. IIRC U-Boot has a command to reset the RTC.
enter the UBoot prompt and type:
date reset (enter)
date 110113002008 (enter)
to set for example the date to Nov, 1 2008 13:00
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According to the people in the thread, this solved the problem of AmigaOS 4.1 getting stuck at boot-up. :D
Hope it works!!! Fingers crossed mate!!! :)
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Heheh!! I think we've nailed it. Look here:
"Hi all,
I just wanted to tell that if your OS4 machine stops at the bootpic, you may check the date in Uboot.
Halt at the Uboot prompt and set the correct date and time using:
date MMDDhhmmYYYY
When the date is completely wrong, OS4 doesn't boot because of a known bug of one OS4 component."
:lol:
In the video you posted, I noticed the date was completely wrong. :D You are not in 2077 man.
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Heheh!! I think we've nailed it. Look here:
"Hi all,
I just wanted to tell that if your OS4 machine stops at the bootpic, you may check the date in Uboot.
Halt at the Uboot prompt and set the correct date and time using:
date MMDDhhmmYYYY
When the date is completely wrong, OS4 doesn't boot because of a known bug of one OS4 component."
:lol:
In the video you posted, I noticed the date was completely wrong. :D You are not in 2077 man.
How do i halt the boot process?
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When you turn on the machine, it displays three options:
1) Press SPACE for Prefs
2) Enter for Boot Selector
3) ESC for Prompt
I think you should select the last one. Then you will get the U-Boot prompt. :)
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What do i type into u-boot prompt?
Is it:
date reset (then press enter)
date 090521202010 (enter)
save (enter)
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Please try the following:
Type "DATE RESET" (then press enter)
This resets the date.
Now type "date 090521192010" (then press enter)
This will set the date to the 5th of September clock 21:19 year 2010.
Good luck! :)
PS: You can change 2119 to the time when you entered the data, so it gets fully correct. :)
What do i type into u-boot prompt?
Is it:
date reset (then press enter)
date 050920102103 or something like that?
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Puni/Void you are star mate you really are i changed the date and now im installing AmigaOS 4.1 WOOOHOO :) im so freaking happy you have no idea :) :) :)
Many many many thanks my friend and to everyone else who helped i truly appreciate it.
Well im gonna go and have some fun with my new miggy night night to you all.
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Pleased to hear it. Well done everyone!
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Pleased to hear it. Well done everyone!
Yeah we got there in the end lol
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Fun to see that my advice helped you on the way :)
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Hi mate,
Great to see that you got the machine up and running!! :) Hope you'll have a lot of fun with it. Plenty of software and stuff to explore. :)
Puni/Void you are star mate you really are i changed the date and now im installing AmigaOS 4.1 WOOOHOO :) im so freaking happy you have no idea :) :) :)
Many many many thanks my friend and to everyone else who helped i truly appreciate it.
Well im gonna go and have some fun with my new miggy night night to you all.