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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Darrin on September 01, 2010, 11:09:51 PM
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Hi all,
After a long, drawn out battle with the US Post Office who sent me an apology note for destroying (no details on what they did with it, just that they were very, very sorry) the first package, my 5v Radeon 9200 256MB card arrived from Elbox.
Before I go any further, let me thank Elbox support for answering my numerous emails because I'm too dumb to set the jumpers correctly on my Mediator logic card which resulted in all sorts of initial confusion, gurus and head-banging. :)
The final driver update package has not yet been released, so the necessary files need to be manually dragged/copied into place.
What's in the box? Right now, just the Radeon card and some bubble wrap. The new files can be downloaded from Elbox.
First, configure your Mediator logic board. In my case, that's the A4000D board. Set the following jumpers:
MASTER: CLOSED
WINSIZE: CLOSED
SWAP CONFIG: OPEN
Install your RTG software, in my case I used P96 v2.1c, and choose the "Cybervision 643D" option as your graphics card.
Look in your Sys:dev/monitors for the Cybervision monitor driver and rename it "Radeon", then go into the information and change the "BOARDTYPE" to equal "Radeon".
Re-run your P96 install and select "update an installed version" and select only "monitor setting". Select the maximum supported rate for the monitor you're planning on using.
Manually copy the new PCI.libray file into sys:libs.
Manually copy the Radeon.card file into sys:libs/picasso96
Create a text file containing 2 characters (the amount of memory you wish to reserve for the Mediator - I used "32" for 32MB) and call it "RadeonMem". Place this file in your envarc:mediator directory. This will cause your remaining Radeon memory to be added to your available system memory.
Reboot and open your Picasso 96 preferences, select "attach settings" option and choose the available "Board0:Radeon" option. Adjust your screen modes to your heart's content and SAVE the settings. I'm still tweaking the various available modes to remain within the range of my monitor, so make sure you TEST each one before you go to the Workbench ScreenMode Prefs and save one of the Radeon modes to use on boot up.
I have a ViewSonic VA2223wm monitor (link: http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/value-series/va2223wm.htm ). I've connected my IndivisionAGA to the VGA input and the Radeon's DVI output to the monitor's DVI input. My manual monitor switcher box is now on a shelf.
If only one video source (native or RTG) is active then the monitor will automatically switch to it. If both are active (say I run SysInfo from my Radeon Workbench) then I press the input select button on the front of the monitor to switch screens. Exiting SysInfo closes the available native screen and the display automatically switches back to the Radeon.
The display is crystal clear and Workbench feels very snappy indeed.
With my Workbench up and running (Classic AGA) with the various utilities and patches in the background, I have the following memory free:
2,031,424 Graphics Mem
308,218,880 Other Mem
this is made up from my 2MB Chip RAM, 16MB RAM on motherboard, 64MB RAM on Warp Engine CPU Card and the remainder from the Radeon.
All in all, this is an excellent solution for those who want a single monitor setup with no switcher-box and some extra RAM thrown in for good measure. Nice one Elbox.
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Back from oildrilling?!
Could you please check the versions from
radeon.card and pci.library
I am very interessted in ... and adding memory is done like discribed in my "hack"-posting or did they include a own solution for it?
I also loved to see a photo from the radeon-pcb (i like to change to a dvi-version, too) ...
THANX
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I only wish this worked with OS4 classic.
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Back from oildrilling?!
Could you please check the versions from
radeon.card and pci.library
I am very interessted in ... and adding memory is done like discribed in my "hack"-posting or did they include a own solution for it?
I also loved to see a photo from the radeon-pcb (i like to change to a dvi-version, too) ...
THANX
Hi there,
Sorry for the late reply, but today has been a real shitter. My brother works on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico and had a heart attack. He was flown in to a hospital about 3 and a half hours from here so my wife and I drove there this morning and I just got back. He's having tripple by-pass tomorrow and his wife is flying in from the UK tomorrow evening.
I just run the Mediator config and it reports:
PCI Lib: v9.0
Radeon.card: v2.9
I have your "hack" printed out, because this is how I expected to have to do it, but this isn't the case. All that you have to do to allocate the memory is put the new PCI.library in the sys:libs folder and place that 2 character text file in the envarc:mediator folder. That is it. No changes to the startup sequence or anything. When you reboot the memory shows as available.
I don't know how the memory performance holds up to the new ZorRAM, but before shipping costs, this works out a less than half the price for 256MB (minus the 32MB I reserved for the Mediator). It also makes the "bundle" package of a Mediator + Radeon card look very attractive.
Now all I have to do is work out how to make a 1920x1080 24bit P96 screen mode for my monitor and I'll be happy as a pig in poo.
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Could you pls forward the two files to me,pls?
computer_hobby(at)web(dot)de
Thanx in advance ...
And all good wishes to your brother.
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I'm interested to know how you have Radeon.card v2.9?
I got the latest MMCD 2.0 updates, and the Radeon.card version in that is v2.12, also the PCI.library is v9.4. This is confirmed on ELBOX's website - in the downloads section.
I've got an A1200 with a 128MB Radeon card (also got a 256MB card, but not fitted it as yet), and a Mediator TX, but I don't see the additional RAM in my system memory, even though I'm not using all the available RAM on the card.
Anyone else getting the RAM to work / show up in an A1200 Mediator TX setup?
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I'm interested to know how you have Radeon.card v2.9?
I got the latest MMCD 2.0 updates, and the Radeon.card version in that is v2.12, also the PCI.library is v9.4. This is confirmed on ELBOX's website - in the downloads section.
I've got an A1200 with a 128MB Radeon card (also got a 256MB card, but not fitted it as yet), and a Mediator TX, but I don't see the additional RAM in my system memory, even though I'm not using all the available RAM on the card.
Anyone else getting the RAM to work / show up in an A1200 Mediator TX setup?
I got the earlier v2.9 (nine) as it was an earlier beta pre-MMCD2.0 (which I haven't installed yet). I guess the v2.12 (twelve) is the latest and greatest.
Do you have that text file I described in the correct location (envarc:mediator/)?
If in doubt, manually copy the latest PCI.Library file over just in case the installer isn't doing it.
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A1200 needs a working MMU for Memory-Hack.
AND it is not official supported (only on Z3 "A3/4k).
I dont know if the new PCI.library supports the A1200.
Alternativ try my hack (posted a while ago).
It is not confirmed, that it works on a A1200 .... good luck.
(Darren .. did you configured your Mediator with 512MB MemWindow first and 16MB ConfigSpace as second? .. Otherwise all Z3-Mem is reserved by Mediator and no ZorRam & Deneb will work anymore)
;-)
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A1200 needs a working MMU for Memory-Hack.
AND it is not official supported (only on Z3 "A3/4k).
My 060 has a MMU so that part of the Mediator configuration/text file is set to YES
I dont know if the new PCI.library supports the A1200.
Ah yes, valid point, BUT I asked that very question of Darek (ELBOX), via the official Mediator support forum, as the newest library with this RAM feature was underway, and he stated that it would support the A1200 Mediator TX boards as they could support the Radeon cards.
However, the lack of mention of the A1200 being supported in the latest release makes me think that ELBOX have not managed to get this feature built into the library as yet. I did initially doubt they could get it to work as the A1200 handles memory differently than the A4000/A3000 as it does not support DMA as such, which is the reason for the DMA hack for the Mediator boards, but I'll be very pleasantly surprised if they do, as I regard this as an added bonus for the A1200 Mediator users.
Alternatively try my hack (posted a while ago).
It is not confirmed, that it works on a A1200 .... good luck.
Which specific hack would that be?
It would be helpful if you could mention it here, while were on the subject, or a link to it would be appreciated, and thanks for your quick response.
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A1200 needs a working MMU for Memory-Hack.
AND it is not official supported (only on Z3 "A3/4k).
I dont know if the new PCI.library supports the A1200.
Alternativ try my hack (posted a while ago).
It is not confirmed, that it works on a A1200 .... good luck.
(Darren .. did you configured your Mediator with 512MB MemWindow first and 16MB ConfigSpace as second? .. Otherwise all Z3-Mem is reserved by Mediator and no ZorRam & Deneb will work anymore)
;-)
Errr... don't know.
I set the jumpers as per Elbox instructions and the binary file I created contains "32" to reserve 32MB for the Mediator. I definately have the additional RAM.
I'm back in Brazil at the moment so I can't fiddle with any settings (and I'm not calling my wife to unleash her on my Miggy!). :)
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Which specific hack would that be?
It would be helpful if you could mention it here, while were on the subject, or a link to it would be appreciated, and thanks for your quick response.
As Ratte is offline at the moment, here's a link to a thread he started discussing how to do his "hack":
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48423
Just for your info, I first got my Radeon card working and then all I had to do for the extra RAM was replace the PCI.Library file and create the text file. As soon as I rebooted the extra RAM showed up.
Here's a screengrab of my Workbench and you can see the memory on the top bar and in the bottom left corner:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/grab2.jpg
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I appreciate the update with the link to the thread about adding the Radeon RAM to the System (Fast) RAM. These threads really relate to the A3K and A4K. I am interested in the A1200, and how that is affected by the new PCI library, and Radeon driver.
If you've any new information about how to make the changes in an A1200 with a Mediator TX and Radeon then I'll be interested. I have an A4K also so I'll be checking it all works later in that, but I want to know if it works in the A1200 as well, and if it's likely to be resolved by ELBOX in the near future, but thanks anyway.
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This is my first time here. I hope I'm doing this so it gets through. Anyway, I just ordered the Mediator PCI 3/4000T MKII Radeon 9200 + 256 mg for my A4000T with
Cyberstorm PowerPC 604E and a Retina ZIII. I mainly use my Amiga to run TV Paint
3.0 through the Retina card . My question is: will I continue to use the Retina for
high rez display (with added graphics ram, I understand...) or do I have the option of
using the Radeon for the high res Amiga / TV paint display? I am using the Retina software, Retina emu, to run the card. Will the P96 diver work with the Retina?
Thanks for your help, in advance.
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This is my first time here. I hope I'm doing this so it gets through. Anyway, I just ordered the Mediator PCI 3/4000T MKII Radeon 9200 + 256 mg for my A4000T with
Cyberstorm PowerPC 604E and a Retina ZIII. I mainly use my Amiga to run TV Paint
3.0 through the Retina card . My question is: will I continue to use the Retina for
high rez display (with added graphics ram, I understand...) or do I have the option of
using the Radeon for the high res Amiga / TV paint display? I am using the Retina software, Retina emu, to run the card. Will the P96 diver work with the Retina?
Thanks for your help, in advance.
I use a mediator A4000 setup /CSPPC etc/and run tvpaint fine on the voodoo 4 4500.. tvpaint will work on your radeon.
p96 also supports the retina z3,but i cant think of why you would need the retina.The radeon will be way way faster even in large screen modes like 1280x1024x32 and up.
mike
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Thanks for the information and encouragement. I can get approx. 1280 x 900 screens on the ZIII but can only have one open at a time due to 'lack of chip ram.' It's good
to know I can use the Radeon as my display card with more ram. I'll post here again
after I get the package and, hopefully, set it up correctly. I never had any trouble setting up the Retina drivers but gave up, after many attempts, to get the CyberGraphX v4 software to work with either the Retina or a 64/3d card. Hopefully I'll have better luck with p96 and the radeon.
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Thanks for the information and encouragement. I can get approx. 1280 x 900 screens on the ZIII but can only have one open at a time due to 'lack of chip ram.' It's good
to know I can use the Radeon as my display card with more ram. I'll post here again
after I get the package and, hopefully, set it up correctly. I never had any trouble setting up the Retina drivers but gave up, after many attempts, to get the CyberGraphX v4 software to work with either the Retina or a 64/3d card. Hopefully I'll have better luck with p96 and the radeon.
I ordered also Mediator A3/4000T with the Radeon 256MB back on October 20th...still no package arrived yet and no reply from Elbox last week when I emailed them requesting status.
I think they may be making new batches, or waiting for enough orders to ship.... :(
In fact on their site the availability of the Mediator 3/4000T reads "two weeks".
I only wish they would have improved them more...trying to find 5V only cards is a pain in the ass, as most cards require 3.3V nowadays. The only one that can support 3.3V is the Mediator TX for the A1200.
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If you have the Mediator with a PCI gfx card, can you take out all your fastram and utilise the gfx card ram as fast ram only? So in other words, I mean could I take the simms off a MKIII card and access the faster fastram from the PCI gfx card???
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I mean could I take the simms off a MKIII card and access the faster fastram from the PCI gfx card???
The RAM on PCI gfx card is slower than the RAM on MKIII.
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The RAM on PCI gfx card is slower than the RAM on MKIII.
Is there any other ram option that is faster?
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Is there any other ram option that is faster?
There's certainly no extra memory you can add to the system that is going to outpace the RAM on the accelerator board (well, not unless you find some way of adding your own external CPU cache :) )
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In relation to your sig Karlos reminds me of a david mitchell quote." I don't have OCD, I know I don't because I've checked 400 times" :)
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In relation to your sig Karlos reminds me of a david mitchell quote." I don't have OCD, I know I don't because I've checked 400 times" :)
:lol:
I think I do have a touch of OCD. I feel oddly compelled to check things, such as the checking that I've locked the door more than once when leaving. I find I doubt whatever I've done that was too autonomic, so to combat it, I've started "paying attention" when doing these basic things then resisting any subsequent urge to check.
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i have voodoo3 currently working in my rig. ive got 9250/128 too. if stuffed in, it appears divided into 2 segments in pciinfo or medication, so i guess its ready to work (looking at the connector should be an universal one). now, is that possible to keep both cards in, i dont want to resign on voodoo because of w3d? if i let both in then i got either continous reset or hit and crash whether from radeon or voodoo.card, depends which is in upper slot.
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Well, I got the Mediator A4000T package with Radeon and have it installed so most things work however I can not open TV Paint 3 due to 'can't find Retina hardware' and the free version of TV Paint 3.6 I have requests a serial number which
I don't have.... Other initial problems are that I can't get Directory Opus 4 to open
on the Radeon screen, and both my Deneb card and ZoRam cards don't seem to
work with the Mediator... Thanks for any advice you can give me.