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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: mrmoonlight on August 15, 2010, 12:57:04 PM
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Hi to all,i have just downloaded OctaMed,which lucky for me was in adf,so i used it off the floppy and it works very well,but i dont have any instuments to load lol, does anyone know where i can get instuments for the amiga 1200 in adf,i hope this makes sence,only i also downloaded some mags with free amiga adf music in it and they were awesome ,the mags were called AM/FM ,and loads of issues with brilliant reading,if you like recording on the amiga,infact i bet there is some instruments on there ,if i could find them, the web page was called ZOPHAR,ROMS,best wishes Brian
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You could download Music Mods off Aminet, and use some from the songs there, I also think they have a sample section as well. If you Google Amiga Sound Samples, you should find heaps of sites. Plus you can see the tricks they do to make the songs, like fading, slowing and speeding up the songs, stretching the sample plus heaps more things. Hope that helps.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop
Hi thankyou that helped a lot
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You could download Music Mods off Aminet, and use some from the songs there, I also think they have a sample section as well. If you Google Amiga Sound Samples, you should find heaps of sites. Plus you can see the tricks they do to make the songs, like fading, slowing and speeding up the songs, stretching the sample plus heaps more things. Hope that helps.
Hi thankyou i am most grateful for your help i will go google
Thanks again, you were right there are some brilliant samples out there,just found a few ,very pleased,and grateful,best wishes Brian
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop
Hi again i must thankyou for your help and taking the time to reply,as indeed i am most grateful to you and your assistance in securing much needed information, which allowed me to persue my journey along the Amigas sleeping secrets,my best wishes go out to my friend,and it is truly heart warming to know such help is available so freely,my very best wishes Brian
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Hi i managed to download loads of adf files, and have been playing some greatest hits all in adf,and how the Amiga 1200 can play sounds in this qaulity is amazing, i used to use Sonar ,to do a lot of recording and i thought that was good ,and when you think that my Amiga 1200 has been in a suitcase up my friends loft for 15/20 years ,it must have been years ahead of its self ,so very pleased to have come across it ,funny really because i never had one years ago so you can imagine im real chuffed,best wishes Brian
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the mags were called AM/FM ,and loads of issues with brilliant reading
Have a look at the Total Irrelevance disks as well, they were by the MED users group.
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Have a look at the Total Irrelevance disks as well, they were by the MED users group.
Hi thankyou and i will take a look, very grateful for your help
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Hi i am very pleased i managed to load guitar,piano, drums, and base ,and play a bit of a tune, and the Amiga sounds really good ,i have the settings on fast ram, which is good,not sure how many tracks i can use , thankyou again
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Hi i am very pleased i managed to load guitar,piano, drums, and base ,and play a bit of a tune, and the Amiga sounds really good ,i have the settings on fast ram, which is good,not sure how many tracks i can use , thankyou again
Great. Sounds like you are getting there. I just came into a load of 8bit samples from a friend who had a couple of CD collections, wish I could share it easy.
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Hi i am very pleased i managed to load guitar,piano, drums, and base ,and play a bit of a tune, and the Amiga sounds really good ,i have the settings on fast ram, which is good,not sure how many tracks i can use , thankyou again
The number of tracks you can use simultaneously depends on how fast your CPU is. Of course, what you can do is create something using a lowish mixing rate and when it's ready, render it to disk at CD quality (or better).
A basic 14MHz 020 with fast ram should be enough to use 8 channels at ~22kHz 14-bit stereo quite comfortably in realtime.
Whatever you do, though, don't turn on smoothing until you want to render to disk. The interpolation used is pretty slow and applied to each channel individually. When I accidentally tried it on a 16-channel tune on my 040, I had to hold both mouse buttons for a while to stop the playback.
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Great. Sounds like you are getting there. I just came into a load of 8bit samples from a friend who had a couple of CD collections, wish I could share it easy.
Hi Matey,lucky you ,but i am begining to find more samples,and having loads of fun, so amazed at what my Amega 1200 can do ,i have the sound coming out of my creative decoder ddts-100 which can seperate the sound,or so they tell me,i have three speakers set up and another two that i am going to add shortly,and it is such a good sound ,and my friend who i had the Amiga off ,heard it and was stunned ,i did tell him he is not having it back lol,best wishes Brian
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The number of tracks you can use simultaneously depends on how fast your CPU is. Of course, what you can do is create something using a lowish mixing rate and when it's ready, render it to disk at CD quality (or better).
A basic 14MHz 020 with fast ram should be enough to use 8 channels at ~22kHz 14-bit stereo quite comfortably in realtime.
Whatever you do, though, don't turn on smoothing until you want to render to disk. The interpolation used is pretty slow and applied to each channel individually. When I accidentally tried it on a 16-channel tune on my 040, I had to hold both mouse buttons for a while to stop the playback.
Hi and thankyou for your help,i am very grateful,oh and i already turned smoothing on and yes i see what you mean lol ,i still have a lot to learn,but what brilliant fun the Amiga is , i seem to spend more time on my Amiga than i do my windows 7 pc ,and i am hoping to go on the net shortly with easynet and the Amiga,and Franko says he will help me connect a dvd drive ,what a nice chap he is ,as all the kind folk on this forum are,anyways best wishes Brian
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Hi Matey,lucky you ,but i am begining to find more samples,and having loads of fun, so amazed at what my Amega 1200 can do ,i have the sound coming out of my creative decoder ddts-100 which can seperate the sound,or so they tell me,i have three speakers set up and another two that i am going to add shortly,and it is such a good sound ,and my friend who i had the Amiga off ,heard it and was stunned ,i did tell him he is not having it back lol,best wishes Brian
I used to play around with music on the Amiga, never made any mods though.
I play around with samples a lot, so much so that I eventually sold a couple of Audio apps. They're both free now, you can get them here (scroll down the the Amiga section):
http://blachford.info/blachtech/index.html
Be warned though, if you get into sample processing it can take up hours and hours and hours...
I've recently got back into music and oddly enough I was also playing around with samples this weekend for the first time in a very, very long time! Not on the Amiga though, I've been playing with a synth/sampler I got off ebay ...with 200 floppies of samples!
I'm also planning to start writing an app again but for the iPad this time, though it will be based in part on one of the Amiga apps.
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I used to play around with music on the Amiga, never made any mods though.
I play around with samples a lot, so much so that I eventually sold a couple of Audio apps. They're both free now, you can get them here (scroll down the the Amiga section):
http://blachford.info/blachtech/index.html
Be warned though, if you get into sample processing it can take up hours and hours and hours...
I've recently got back into music and oddly enough I was also playing around with samples this weekend for the first time in a very, very long time! Not on the Amiga though, I've been playing with a synth/sampler I got off ebay ...with 200 floppies of samples!
I'm also planning to start writing an app again but for the iPad this time, though it will be based in part on one of the Amiga apps.
Hi it looks like you have had fun ,but it is exciting playing with music,all the years i have been recording and have never lost the thrill ,and now the Amiga has opened up even more adventures ,and you are right it can take up hours, it is nice to hear from you and i will take a look at your link now my very best wishes Brian:):)
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minator
Thanks for the links. I didnt know about this stuff. Very interested in the soft synth Aural Synthetica.. can it be trigerred by external midi? Also, does it do 303 type sounds? i'm waiting for my cf ide adaptor to come in to get my a1200 back up so i can try it.
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WOW, I never heard about synth Aural Synthetica before...
And the source has been released for the 16-bit version of version 3 which was never completed... Hmmm. This might be something coders might want to take a look into in order to bring it up to date for Amiga, MorphOS, and maybe even AROS.
Aghh, BeOS softs too, woohooo!!! Well, I know what I'm doing tonight. ;)
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xdelusion
Yes, it would make a nice plug in for Digibooster or something. Or even as a standalone app on next gen amiga type systems!
But what i'm realling wondering is which Octamed is best for my 030 1200? I want the built in synth and drums with sample ability, and hopefully external midi support. (e.g. controlling drum machines, keyboards, etc)
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xdelusion
Yes, it would make a nice plug in for Digibooster or something. Or even as a standalone app on next gen amiga type systems!
But what i'm realling wondering is which Octamed is best for my 030 1200? I want the built in synth and drums with sample ability, and hopefully external midi support. (e.g. controlling drum machines, keyboards, etc)
Many will no doubt be against, but I'd boldly and proudly say V4.
Just notice, there is a bug in OMED V4 when using MIDI-instruments and samples on the same track, you will hear a high pitch squeeking noice if you don't use note-off.
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many will no doubt be against, but i'd boldly and proudly say v4.
Just notice, there is a bug in omed v4 when using midi-instruments and samples on the same track, you will hear a high pitch squeeking noice if you don't use note-off.
fff iirc? :)
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xdelusion
Yes, it would make a nice plug in for Digibooster or something. Or even as a standalone app on next gen amiga type systems!
But what i'm realling wondering is which Octamed is best for my 030 1200? I want the built in synth and drums with sample ability, and hopefully external midi support. (e.g. controlling drum machines, keyboards, etc)
A lot of dudes use the older versions, and some of us use the latest version. You can group me with the latter.
As for Aural Synthetica. I load it up, and my screen scrambles, I can see half of it on the left, and half on the right.
I'm using one of AMiga Maniac's RGB adaptors which has S-Video out that I run through a S-video to VGA adaptor. I've never had a program do this before.
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Hooligan
Why do you prefer octamed4? Which one has the built in synth and drum machines?
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I've often wondered why people stuck with V4 as well. Soundstudio runs great even on old setups. The abilty to load samples in to fastram alone makes the later version worth it.
Maybe they just like the old layout?
Hooligan
Why do you prefer octamed4? Which one has the built in synth and drum machines?
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Have a look at the Total Irrelevance disks as well, they were by the MED users group.
I use Soundstudio. In fact, that is the reason for reviving my A1200. I wanted some mods that I did. If you really want to hear some quality music mods, look for the Mug Presents disk by Ben Thomas. The guy was a genius! Sadly, he was killed in a car crash not long after he did this disk. A sad loss to the music world! I was the Articles Editor for the T.I and M.U.G. disks shortly before it disappeared! I have been looking throug those disks recently. I have been enjoying using my Amiga so much, I am in the process of putting in a CD/DVD R-W and a 4 gb CF HD card. I have also talked Another T.I. editor to revisit his Amiga. Rudi Samborski. :)
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I use Soundstudio. In fact, that is the reason for reviving my A1200. I wanted some mods that I did. If you really want to hear some quality music mods, look for the Mug Presents disk by Ben Thomas. The guy was a genius! Sadly, he was killed in a car crash not long after he did this disk. A sad loss to the music world! I was the Articles Editor for the T.I and M.U.G. disks shortly before it disappeared! I have been looking throug those disks recently. I have been enjoying using my Amiga so much, I am in the process of putting in a CD/DVD R-W and a 4 gb CF HD card. I have also talked Another T.I. editor to revisit his Amiga. Rudi Samborski. :)
Hmm, sparked my interest.
@spihunter - ok one other thing you could bring over / copy is that mod anthology thing you have for Sun...
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Hi thankyou that helped a lot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop
Dude, I think what he's trying to say is, use some periods in your sentences. ;-) In any case, good luck with OctaMed!
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Here's a link to some of my mods I posted up on Soundclick.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1148969
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Any chance you could put the TI and MUG discs on-line somewhere? I've never been able to find them anywhere.
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Anyone got any links to 8bit DnB/Breakbeat/House sample packs?
I don't fancy converting decades of 16 and 24 bit samples unless I really have to. :)
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Any chance you could put the TI and MUG discs on-line somewhere? I've never been able to find them anywhere.
My Amiga is in pieces at present! Awaiting an IDE splitter and scan doubler, but when I am up and running I can certainly upload them! I also have the MUG Presents Disks. Rudi Samborski, Steven Gane and Ben Thomas.
Incidently, if anyone is interested? Amiga mods play perfectly in the PC version of Soundstudio.
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I never did start writing the iPad app (BTW it was to be based on the Aural Synthetica sound engine). I did do a lot of research and started learning Objective C though.
As part of the research I downloaded a load of iPad synths, some of which are very good. As I played with them I got more and more interested in the playing of the synths rather than coding them. I've since set up a home studio and plan to start recording - once I've got my head around a few multi-hundred page manuals!
It's amazing what you can get now. In my PC days I used to look at the capabilities of different sound cards but now I don't even need one. I just got a mixer that has a firewire port, I just plug in and import directly from the mixer.
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Hooligan
Why do you prefer octamed4? Which one has the built in synth and drum machines?
V4 was by far the best tool if you wanted to be productive. The user interface is easy to learn, its simple and quick. Even after years and a couple dozen finished songs on SoundStudio I still didn't feel at home with it. It certainly wasn't a bad tracker, quite the opposite.. but I (and I know many many others) preferred V4 over Soundstudio even if we missed important features.
V4 has Synthsounds, I very rarely used them but some lead and bass-instruments were pretty cool sounding.
I also want to add that I have used Med since V1 .. and ALL of the versions ever released... I have great respect for the program, I spit on Protracker ;)
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Sperret
That would be cool if you uploaded them many ppl here would be greatful for cool 8bit samples!
@ minator
Cool. Fun to make music again eh?
Hooligan
Cool, i'm going to try octamed 4 and 5.. 4 is prolly want I want since it has the built in synth.. my set up will be an a1200 030 32mb with octamed and a midi box (pyramid midi) connected to my turntables and vestax mixer, and the MIDI hooked up to an external drum machine.
I want to combine octamed with samples ( i have a dss8+ that works from octamed to sample with? ) and synth sounds and time it to the midi drum machine (boss dr groove 202) is this all feasible? any tips from u guys?
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Here's a link to some of my mods I posted up on Soundclick.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1148969
How did you do 'haunted house' ? Is that just a regular sax sample?
I like the mods, not the usual stuff. Do you use midi at all or all punched in?
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Anyone got any links to 8bit DnB/Breakbeat/House sample packs?
I don't fancy converting decades of 16 and 24 bit samples unless I really have to. :)
No need, really. OctaMED SS will happily load 16-bit samples, though there are some restrictions on their playback compared to 8-bit ones.
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No need, really. OctaMED SS will happily load 16-bit samples, though there are some restrictions on their playback compared to 8-bit ones.
Me no likes SS, Octamed Pro V4 is much nicer.
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How did you do 'haunted house' ? Is that just a regular sax sample?
I like the mods, not the usual stuff. Do you use midi at all or all punched in?
Thanks. :) It was in fact two sax samples if I recall? I did start to use midi with soundstudio. I had it conected into a Yamaha MU10. Which I still have and that is now attached to my PC.
Having troubles with My Miggy! Just ordered a new (other) internal disk drive! That, and my external drive decided to crap out on me at the same time!. I will upload some mods somewhere pretty soon. I have a mod here by a guy name Mick Hunt. It's called 'A Very British Tragedy' It's an astonishing 4 track mod. You have to see it to appreciate it! A thing of beauty to watch as well as listen to! I'll get it p[osted somewhere and put a link up later.
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Me no likes SS, Octamed Pro V4 is much nicer.
I guess we'll have to differ on that one. I've nothing against older versions of OctaMED, but for me V6 and subsequently SS represented a shift from the "regular" tracker to a proper application. When I went RTG, seeing my first 32-channel mixmode track (and more importantly being able to edit it) in a 1600x1200 display was a revelation.
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I guess we'll have to differ on that one. I've nothing against older versions of OctaMED, but for me V6 and subsequently SS represented a shift from the "regular" tracker to a proper application. When I went RTG, seeing my first 32-channel mixmode track (and more importantly being able to edit it) in a 1600x1200 display was a revelation.
That's what Logic and Ableton are for! ;)
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That's what Logic and Ableton are for! ;)
No, they're for girls. OctaMED SS is a proper tracker, but designed for grown-ups.
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No, they're for girls. OctaMED SS is a proper tracker, but designed for grown-ups.
No such thing as a "proper" tracker, they are all just kids toys.
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No such thing as a "proper" tracker, they are all just kids toys.
Nah, kids toys are things like Garage Band, where any halfwit can string tunes together with minimal effort. I'm not saying a talented musician can't create a decent track in it, but it's aimed at the "instant gratification" generation.
A tracker, any tracker, requires patience to work with. In some respects, it's like an instrument in it's own right, insofar as it takes a significant amount of practise and learning it's nuances to get decent results out of. Of course that analogy breaks down when you consider that it's not an instrument you can play a live performance on.
In short, you need at least some talent to use one.
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Can you trigger OctaMED (or even MED) via MIDI?
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Can you trigger OctaMED (or even MED) via MIDI?
Yes. Not used it in a while, but it was useful back when I'd use two machines each in 4 channel mode, to make sure they started simultaneously and kept in sync.
However, if you just want multitimbral sample playback over MIDI on your amiga, then MIDIIn is the tool for you.
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I finally ordered this to use with SynthCart...
http://highlyliquid.com/kits/midi2600/
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karlos
Can you look at my question about my setup earlier in the thread and tell me if its usable with octamed?
xdelusion
that atari synth is radical. I have an old 2600 here no psu though..
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9 volt. I forget the Ma though.
I'm sure Atari Age sellsbthem.
Also, you might want to pro sound your Atari.
karlos
Can you look at my question about my setup earlier in the thread and tell me if its usable with octamed?
xdelusion
that atari synth is radical. I have an old 2600 here no psu though..
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xdelusion
9v and i'll guess milliamp. I have a universal psu somewhere here.. dont want to damage the atari, i think there is a toggle for ma..
what do you mean pro sound it?
Have you heard of this program called "EZ FM" that is a synth program on amiga (enough atari bs lol)
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As long as it is Jay Miner era Atari, it's OK. :) Besides, I'm gonna sync it with my Amiga.
Never heard of EZ FM hmmm...
Pro Sound = Google can describe it better, but in a nut shell. Dedicated audio port, crisper audio.
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Well i'd want the audio to sound dirty since its a dirty 8bit analogue box ;P
I read a review of EZ FM in CU Amiga magazine the other day. They gave it a 93% and it sounds amazing. I guess its "easy frequency modulation" ez-fm..
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Can you trigger OctaMED (or even MED) via MIDI?
OctaMED - Yes, made for it, has a slave mode even. MED I think not, does not have any midi I recall.
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Well i'd want the audio to sound dirty since its a dirty 8bit analogue box ;P
I read a review of EZ FM in CU Amiga magazine the other day. They gave it a 93% and it sounds amazing. I guess its "easy frequency modulation" ez-fm..
So where is this EZ FM?
Also pro sounding an Atari will retain that dirty sound. Without it, the purpose of using an Atari would be lost. All it really does it reduce that annoying hum that comes out of your system. Plus as I said, provides it with a dedicated audio port so you don't have to run it through a VCR first just to add RCA support. :)
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I found this:
http://aminet.net/search?query=ez+fm
But the author's e-mail is dead so you can't register and therefore can not save. :(
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It's like a brand new "Red -vs- Blue war only this time it's the Octamed V4 extremist -vs- the Octamed SS revolutionary's!!!!
I guess we'll have to differ on that one. I've nothing against older versions of OctaMED, but for me V6 and subsequently SS represented a shift from the "regular" tracker to a proper application. When I went RTG, seeing my first 32-channel mixmode track (and more importantly being able to edit it) in a 1600x1200 display was a revelation.
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It's like a brand new "Red -vs- Blue war only this time it's the Octamed V4 extremist -vs- the Octamed SS revolutionary's!!!!
I've always hated the tracker paradigm, but recently enjoyed playing with Renoise so thought I'd check out Octamed and Sound Studio again.
V4 seems the lesser of two evils as it doesn't try to be something it's not: Cubase/Notator.
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Can OctaMED 4 use 16-bit samples in conjunction with 8 tracks? Or is it restricted to 4 tracks and 8-bit samples?
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From Airplane:
Male announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Female announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Male announcer: [later] The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.
Female announcer: No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.
Male announcer: The red zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers. There's never stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!
Male announcer: Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shit again.
Which for me depicts almost 99.9 % of "conversations" that take place on the interwebs
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OSS works pretty good with 16bit samples, provided you have a Tocatta. I've been playing a few guitar chords into it...
But there is some limit I read and now I'm not sure, like only 1 16bit sample can playback at a time, but you can have as many as want? We really nee to get a f-ing manual up on the interwebs some where...
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xdelusion
I couldnt find E-Z FM either. I even have a phone number for the company (usa) which is of course no good. Maybe somebody can hack the demo with a hex editor to remove the protection??
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where is the demo?
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thought you said you had it with no save feature?
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Xdelusion
Try this:
http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/fish/901-1000/ff956/
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V4 seems the lesser of two evils as it doesn't try to be something it's not: Cubase/Notator.
OctaMED SS doesn't try to be anything other than OctaMED 6 with more channels to play with and some internal support for 3rd party sound cards. It's not remotely like Cubase/Notator, not sure where you got that from :-?
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OctaMED SS doesn't try to be anything other than OctaMED 6 with more channels to play with and some internal support for 3rd party sound cards. It's not remotely like Cubase/Notator, not sure where you got that from :-?
I think the Octamed 4 users are just being ridiculous. I just looked at some screen shots of version 4 and it almost looks the same! The buttons are layed out more even is SS to make them easier to find!
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well Octamed 4 has the synth built in and SS does not... also menu layouts are very diff from my readings of Octa 4 tutorials..
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What ever FM Synth software I got on Aminet would not save. So no I had not found EZ FM yet, but will try your link.
Xdelusion
Try this:
http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/amiga/fish/901-1000/ff956/
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well Octamed 4 has the synth built in and SS does not...
Yes it does. You just pick an instrument slot, then in the main control window, set the instrument type to "synthetic" then click the "edit..." button and the synth editor opens up and you can carry on as before.
also menu layouts are very diff from my readings of Octa 4 tutorials..
This is true. The whole user interface is quite different, but having used v6 before SS, this was not an issue.
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OctaMED SS doesn't try to be anything other than OctaMED 6 with more channels to play with and some internal support for 3rd party sound cards. It's not remotely like Cubase/Notator, not sure where you got that from :-?
Well it tries to be a pro-audio sequencer rather than just a tracker.
(http://tamw.atari-users.net/notat1.gif)
(http://tamw.atari-users.net/qbmain.gif)
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I think the Octamed 4 users are just being ridiculous. I just looked at some screen shots of version 4 and it almost looks the same! The buttons are layed out more even is SS to make them easier to find!
They look nothing like each other to me.
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Well it tries to be a pro-audio sequencer rather than just a tracker.
I can see nothing whatsoever in common with what you have there *shrug*
I've used it since it was just MED. Octamed SS's interface is a natural evolution from v4:
If you look at v4, it's an oldskool tracker interface (which is fine, I grew up with it).
http://xmp.sourceforge.net/gallery/octamed-4.00.png
If you look at v5.04, you'll see that it's almost the same except that it's been reworked in GadTools. That has resulted in a lot of repositioning of the controls, but fundamentally it's the same:
http://donbuche.com/sites/all/imatges_web/octamed5.jpg
OctaMED 6 simply took this to it's logical conclusion, separating related sets of controls and putting them into their own windows that can be repositioned on the screen to wherever the user wishes.
OctaMED SS GUI did not change from v6, except to add a few new windows pertinent to it's new mix-mode playback.
The notation editor that appeared in OctaMED was (IIRC) removed by the time SS came out since nobody used it and nobody missed it. It remains, and always was, a tracker. Just because it destroyed the 4 channel limit and shrugged off all the limitations of it's old 5-8 channel modes didn't change the way you create music with it.
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It all comes down to aesthetics.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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However, if you just want multitimbral sample playback over MIDI on your amiga, then MIDIIn is the tool for you.
Can you lock it to 4 channels only (no mixing?). I want the original non-mixed sound.
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well Octamed 4 has the synth built in and SS does not... also menu layouts are very diff from my readings of Octa 4 tutorials..
Wrong, it's a cool syth you can turn into a mini track, like onion skinning a square wave into a sine wave and back again, it's very cool.
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Ok, I'm moving on here.. everyone here has long decided what their going to use so no longer need going on about this.
I don't "use" either. lol
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The notation editor that appeared in OctaMED was (IIRC) removed by the time SS came out since nobody used it and nobody missed it.
Nope... still there :)
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Can you lock it to 4 channels only (no mixing?).
Affirmative.
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Can you lock it to 4 channels only (no mixing?). I want the original non-mixed sound.
Sure, that's the default setting anyway (unless you change it).
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Nope... still there :)
Maybe it was v6 it disappeared in then :lol: I definitely remember it going at some point. In any case, I don't have the required font any more, so I can't use it regardless. Not that I ever did :)
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As an aside, if you like synthsounds and trackers, do give MusicLineEditor a go. It's not quite protracker style, but it can make some very nice sounds.
It basically uses very short waveforms (not quite chip tune, but close) which can be fed through various effects (phase, filter, etc) and is capable of some quite remarkable sounds on a basic 020+ class amiga.
It will also do 8 channels, but you need a faster CPU then.
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So is the synth editor in 4 more fully featured than the one in OctaMED S.S.?
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I don't "use" either. lol
Are you just going on to get Karlos all fired up?. ;)
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Are you just going on to get Karlos all fired up?. ;)
lol
Nah, I just think that if I was forced to use one or the other of them, I'd choose v4 as it's looks prettier and is simpler.
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Can you guys tell me what CU or Amiga Format CD has versions of Octamed and sound samples and things please?
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Thanks, that sounds worth a go. I wish we could do a series on how-to use Octamed SS, making videos, we would need contributors....
"Octamed around the world"...
As an aside, if you like synthsounds and trackers, do give MusicLineEditor a go. It's not quite protracker style, but it can make some very nice sounds.
It basically uses very short waveforms (not quite chip tune, but close) which can be fed through various effects (phase, filter, etc) and is capable of some quite remarkable sounds on a basic 020+ class amiga.
It will also do 8 channels, but you need a faster CPU then.
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I thought about doing this before. You could just use the composite out straight to a video camera. Picture wouldn't be the greatest but it would work. Then add voice over and text.
WinUAE might be a solution.
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I think both those will work for demo purposes, UAE sound may skip but doesn't matter for tutorial video...
Also, I'm using a USB video capture with composite and s-video, has the audio captured as well. You just keep a very simple layout in OSS...
I know I would benefit from seeing how other do what they do... Making them would be fun!
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lol
Nah, I just think that if I was forced to use one or the other of them, I'd choose v4 as it's looks prettier and is simpler.
Nicholas, did you ever try to get this running under MorphOS? I understand it possible (and that it can run under AOS4), but I have found this necessary software patches.
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Magnetic: Well sir, as it turns out the copy you sent me a link to (which I assume is registered?) will not run on my machine. It loaded up a CLI screen, though I forget what that said except that it said to hit RETURN. After this, it seems like it attempts to close Work Bench, which of course failed since I run Magellan. I then manually closed Magellan, at which point the program acted like it was going to do something, but it only ended up just relaunching Magellan.
I'll try it under WinUAE later with a basic set up then see what happens.
As for the rest of this conversation. I have some input, but no time atm, Will be back. ;)
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So is the synth editor in 4 more fully featured than the one in OctaMED S.S.?
The Synthsound engine in OMSS is basically identical as far as I know. It certainly plays all the old sounds I have in my collection, except that you can use them in mix mode too, opening up a few additional possibilities, like greater polyphony.
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If you did octamed tutorials you would be an amiga hero! and DONT use UAE :) uae is for suckas
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spihunter
If you did octamed tutorials you would be an amiga hero! and DONT use UAE :) uae is for suckas
My, My... another insightful post from the brainless wonder... :D
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Actually, OctaMED SS is a bit of an Achilles heel for UAE. No amount of fiddling around with UAE's settings can get rid of the lag between pressing a key and hearing the sound; something no genuine amiga suffers from.
Of course, when it comes to basic playback of a completed track, it (understandably) performs very well, particularly on many-channel modules.
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Actually, OctaMED SS is a bit of an Achilles heel for UAE. No amount of fiddling around with UAE's settings can get rid of the lag between pressing a key and hearing the sound; something no genuine amiga suffers from
Even with the Maestrix redirecting the audio through AHI?
Might be worth speaking to Toni Wilen about it to see if it's fixable or not.
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Nicholas, did you ever try to get this running under MorphOS? I understand it possible (and that it can run under AOS4), but I have found this necessary software patches.
It's on my (very long) todo list.
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Actually, OctaMED SS is a bit of an Achilles heel for UAE. No amount of fiddling around with UAE's settings can get rid of the lag between pressing a key and hearing the sound; something no genuine amiga suffers from.
Of course, when it comes to basic playback of a completed track, it (understandably) performs very well, particularly on many-channel modules.
That's true of anything that's supposed be, or be like an Amiga for me. If your invention can't play four 8bit samples simultaneously with out skipping or sounding bad, you FAILED!
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Even with the Maestrix redirecting the audio through AHI?
Might be worth speaking to Toni Wilen about it to see if it's fixable or not.
Not tried proper WinUAE with host-native AHI drivers for some time, so I can't say for sure, but it always seemed like the issue was more to do with the host audio latency than anything. I guess that from the host perspective, UAE is just another application that presents itself as a stream source to be buffered and mixed into the final output. That will always add delay.
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Actually, OctaMED SS is a bit of an Achilles heel for UAE. No amount of fiddling around with UAE's settings can get rid of the lag between pressing a key and hearing the sound; something no genuine amiga suffers from.
We have spoken about this before, as I used WinUAE in the recording studio before, I did get the latency down below 10ms, and certainly low enough to be imperceptible to my feeble human ears :)
Though I tried to use real hardware as much as possible for that "authentic" 8bit audio... Very few will ever appreciate the effort I went to :(
Of course, when it comes to basic playback of a completed track, it (understandably) performs very well, particularly on many-channel modules.
Yeah, makes a great sequencer
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We have spoken about this before, as I used WinUAE in the recording studio before, I did get the latency down below 10ms, and certainly low enough to be imperceptible to my feeble human ears :)
You're going to have to remind me how you achieved that. I think I am going senile. Also, I forget stuff.
Though I tried to use real hardware as much as possible for that "authentic" 8bit audio... Very few will ever appreciate the effort I went to :(
I do recall you sending me a sounndbite and my having to identify what I thought was from Paula :)
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You're going to have to remind me how you achieved that. I think I am going senile. Also, I forget stuff.
:lol:
Careful tuning and my Edirol FA101 (the most amazing bit of Audio kit I ever bought).
I do recall you sending me a sounndbite and my having to identify what I thought was from Paula :)
Indeed, one of the precious few who could apprecaite my efforts! :)
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The Synthsound engine in OMSS is basically identical as far as I know. It certainly plays all the old sounds I have in my collection, except that you can use them in mix mode too, opening up a few additional possibilities, like greater polyphony.
Oh...
I was under the impression that the Synth Ed in OctaMED S.S. was partially broken. Have you any tutorials for this per chance?! :)
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Well another reason for NOT using UAE and using a real amiga is the phat paula sound! Seriously even just "dry" output off of the amiga rca to a mixer has really good low end bass sounds and the synth sound seem analogue even though its digital.
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Well another reason for NOT using UAE and using a real amiga is the phat paula sound! Seriously even just "dry" output off of the amiga rca to a mixer has really good low end bass sounds and the synth sound seem analogue even though its digital.
I agree 100%. UAE looses A LOT in the translation! Might as well just use Open Mod Plug Tracker if you're going to be using a PC.
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Or SS for PC? Only 15 quid, http://www.medsoundstudio.com/
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/modplug/
FREE + BETTER!!!
Also, no OctaMED S.S. will cause your MorphOS machine to lock up the moment you click on the icon. This is one of those few things that make me cry when using MorphOS. And I mean curl up on the floor in fetal position and cry!
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Or SS for PC? Only 15 quid, http://www.medsoundstudio.com/
This is actually quite good, I bought a copy in 1999... And used that same PC MED v1.0 until I moved to Macs and foun myself use real Amigas for tracking again. Though a simple tip, in Logic Pro, a bit crusher and a carefully set EQ will give a very convincing approximate 8bit sample sound.
Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)
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This is actually quite good, I bought a copy in 1999... And used that same PC MED v1.0 until I moved to Macs and foun myself use real Amigas for tracking again. Though a simple tip, in Logic Pro, a bit crusher and a carefully set EQ will give a very convincing approximate 8bit sample sound.
Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)
Consider me your first customer! :)
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Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)
What ever you are talking about...
...it makes me wanna buy a Mac. Now if we had a way of redirecting the audio in MorphOS to a virtual Paula or something...
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
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Yea, I bought that when it came out as well. I had just sold my A4000/060 and bought a 500mhz PIII.
I thought my Amiga days were over until I loaded it up and it started skipping on the first mod I played! Man I was pissed!
V2 is much better. It has support for VSTi and a sampler built in! I couln't use V1 at all?
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Side note, I do plan to release a "PaulaAudio" AudioUnit for the Mac, that will crush to 8bits, EQ and introduce the quantisation errors (that Karlos and I worked out a few years ago) to any audio stream... Watch this space :)
I remember that. Good old non-linear Paula :)
The other effect you need to emulate properly to get that unique Amiga sound is the sample-rate aliasing, which might be slightly trickier to get right. I've always thought that ringing sound it adds to things played at low playback rates sounds a bit like what you'd get via an aural exciter.
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I've always thought that ringing sound it adds to things played at low playback rates sounds a bit like what you'd get via an aural exciter.
(http://s1.hubimg.com/u/1962660_f260.jpg)
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A simple "Fnaarrrrr!" would have sufficed! :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciter_(effect)#Aural_Exciter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exciter_(effect)#Aural_Exciter).
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So guys why are we discussing lame pc and mac prograrms? this is about the amiga versions of octamed?... cmon
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I remember that. Good old non-linear Paula :)
The other effect you need to emulate properly to get that unique Amiga sound is the sample-rate aliasing, which might be slightly trickier to get right. I've always thought that ringing sound it adds to things played at low playback rates sounds a bit like what you'd get via an aural exciter.
PC sound cards work by hardware mixing the sound to a fixed output rate (44KHz or whatever). The Amiga was unusual in that it worked by speeding up and slowing down the individual samples. This means the aliasing noise changes with the pitch the sample is played at and thus becomes part of the sound.
Mixing players may inadvertently recreate this if they are not smoothed but it's likely to be a slightly different effect.
To recreate this effect could prove challenging. It needs to be done in the sample playback routine. You'd really need to create a a virtual instrument to do it properly.
OTOH you could just use an Amiga.
...which is exactly why I was asking about software that does 8-bit non-mixed sound.
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this is exactly why you should use an amiga. Nothing can emulate the phat paula sound :)
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PC sound cards work by hardware mixing the sound to a fixed output rate (44KHz or whatever). The Amiga was unusual in that it worked by speeding up and slowing down the individual samples. This means the aliasing noise changes with the pitch the sample is played at and thus becomes part of the sound.
I think it's a bit different. IIRC, and I might be wrong about this, it isn't that it plays samples at different rates (ie, higher values for faster rates), but instead uses a sample period (physical duration between sample changes) to define the playback speed. This is a reciprocal quantity with respect to frequency - hence lower period values result in faster playback and vice versa. I'm a bit hazy on the details now but I seem to recall that these periods are expressed in a "ticks" of a clock that's derived from the system clock and runs at around 3.5MHz. This means that arbitrary playback rates aren't possible - the "tuning" of higher notes gradually becomes less precise than lower ones since the period value becomes smaller (thus having fewer bits of precision).
There have to be some interesting slew and phase effects resulting from this method of playback that are hard to reproduce in a conventional mixer.
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I'm with Karlos here, the base rate is set by the video refresh rate (edit: from memory 28khz), the playback frequency is based on a period between fetching the next sample :)
Paula doesn't play back at quite the right frequency, I won't be able to emulate that as I don't plan to write a whole bloody tracker!
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I'm with Karlos here, the base rate is set by the video refresh rate (edit: from memory 28khz), the playback frequency is based on a period between fetching the next sample :)
Paula doesn't play back at quite the right frequency, I won't be able to emulate that as I don't plan to write a whole bloody tracker!
Writing a VST based on this used to be on my list of things I'd like to get around to one day.
http://zakalwe.fi/uade/
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I think it's a bit different. IIRC, and I might be wrong about this, it isn't that it plays samples at different rates (ie, higher values for faster rates), but instead uses a sample period (physical duration between sample changes) to define the playback speed. This is a reciprocal quantity with respect to frequency - hence lower period values result in faster playback and vice versa. I'm a bit hazy on the details now but I seem to recall that these periods are expressed in a "ticks" of a clock that's derived from the system clock and runs at around 3.5MHz.
Well, that's what I mean. Your description is the technical description of how it actually works. But the end result is the samples are not played at a fixed frequency.
This means that arbitrary playback rates aren't possible - the "tuning" of higher notes gradually becomes less precise than lower ones since the period value becomes smaller (thus having fewer bits of precision).
There have to be some interesting slew and phase effects resulting from this method of playback that are hard to reproduce in a conventional mixer.
Yup.
It also means (non-smoothed) mixer based playback will also have errors, just different ones.