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Title: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: fragment on November 28, 2003, 09:40:09 PM
Are there any nice CLI replacements or enhancers for 68k? The only feature I'm missing is the tab completing (for commands and file names) Thanks  :-D
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: xeron on November 28, 2003, 09:44:36 PM
KingCON.

Accept no substitutes, KingCON rocks.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: voytech on November 28, 2003, 09:57:19 PM
VNC Shell from OS3.9 - highly configurable :))
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Hooligan_DCS on November 28, 2003, 10:03:27 PM
My vote goes for KingCON aswell.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: restore2003 on November 28, 2003, 10:09:45 PM
KingCON! Definately! Beats the competition because its so straight forward simplistic. It does what its supposed to do, no hazzle at all.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: KennyR on November 28, 2003, 10:22:04 PM
VincEd.

Kingcon is ok, but not very powerful. VincEd is better, if you have time to study it and configure it properly.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: voytech on November 28, 2003, 10:42:54 PM
Yeah! VincED (VNC) is the best, got many features, and if you don't like editing settings, just click on its border gadget, and you've got almost everything on a plate  :-D
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Roj on November 28, 2003, 10:45:37 PM
I spent a couple of hours with VincEd, but I all I wound up trying to do was turn it into KingCON. After a couple of hours it still wasn't close enough, so I went right back to KingCON.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Rob on November 28, 2003, 10:54:00 PM
The drag and drop facility in VINCEd makes for better integration
with Workbench.
Shell VNC and VINCEd are the same program by the way.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: xeron on November 28, 2003, 11:41:31 PM
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Rob wrote:
The drag and drop facility in VINCEd makes for better integration


KingCON does this, and I believe did it first. I really don't understand how people can prefer the atrocious monstrocity that is Vinced over the obviously superior KingCON.

(IMHO ;-) ).
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Karlos on November 29, 2003, 12:34:43 AM
Im with xeron on this one. I've use KingCON since forever, I just can't use another amiga shell :-)
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Wolfe on November 29, 2003, 12:42:50 AM
King Con all the way.   :-)
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: JetRacer on November 29, 2003, 12:51:24 AM
KingCon!!!

VNC is only an option if you don't have anything to do for a couple of weeks. And then you'll end up with a KingCon config anyway.

Rob, Voytech & KennyR: You all say that because it came with OS39. You can come up with any number of excuses, but the previus statement remains true. It's like when people are asked why M$ products are so good (then try to argue against them...).

KingCon also support drag'n'drop.

VNC suck because there's no acceptable out-of-the-box config and a whole lot of settings you _must_ tinker with to get it into an acceptible shape.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: that_punk_guy on November 29, 2003, 12:53:01 AM
Oh my god, it's like vi vs emacs all over again ;-)
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: KennyR on November 29, 2003, 01:51:54 AM
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Rob, Voytech & KennyR: You all say that because it came with OS39. You can come up with any number of excuses, but the previus statement remains true.


Wrong, I used VincEd long before OS3.9 came out. I'd never go back to KingCON. It's just too limited. Where's the background processes? Where's bg and fg? Why doesn't ctrl+z spawn a new console in the same window ? Why are ascii colours screwed up and why can't I set their pens? Where are all the window open parameters I need? All the special escape codes? The prioritised filename completion? The horizontal scrollbar?

Nah, no chance. KingCON is a kiddie tool. :)
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Karlos on November 29, 2003, 02:17:03 AM
Booo! Rubbish! KingCON is the Don!!

/troll :lol:
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: shaf on November 29, 2003, 02:30:27 AM
I still use Wshell with WB 3.1. I here I doesn't work with WB 3.9 and is no longer supported.

I think Wshell is better than kingcon

Shaf
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: voytech on November 29, 2003, 06:06:15 AM
For a while I used sh (got GG installed, still have), but when I met VincED.. That's true, you need to spend some time to "get it", but after - I can't live now without it (and DopusMagII)
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: Karlos on November 29, 2003, 06:20:51 AM
So, anybody going to vote for the "Execute Command..." requester as a charming, if somewhat minimalistic dos shell ?
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: carls on November 29, 2003, 10:03:39 AM
Personally I use KingCON. I've tried VNC but didn't like it. WShell is commercial IIRC, but a friend of mine was always using it. I just thought it felt strange.

However, all three of them have tab completion and a scrollback buffer. That's what the original post was about so either of the three would work. But if those two things are the ONLY things you are after then VNC is overkill.

I'd also add a good shell-startup and some essential unix utils.

Even my WinNT cmd.exe prompt is useful after adding ls, cp, less, touch, cat, awk, grep etc.
Title: Re: CLI replacement/enhancer?
Post by: JetRacer on November 30, 2003, 12:23:20 AM
@shaf: The same thing was said about KingCon. Have you actually tried it (Wshell+3.9)?

It may be a complete load of FUD. Because "not supported" can be enterpreted as "not included on the 3.9 cd-rom". And "not working" means "may not work", since nobody tested it.