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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on July 25, 2010, 03:52:28 AM
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What is your favourite amiga model ?
Both today when everything is available and in the context of when it came out.
Similar, which one is your least favourite ?
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Least: The hulking great Amiga 500. I will say it does have a certain charm though.
Most: The minimalist Amiga 3000 Desktop. Just need to squeeze a CD-ROM bay in there.
Old Fav... The A3000 Tower.
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a4k, even if a few a1200s and a my first 600 brought me the most in their time.
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Least: The hulking great Amiga 500. I will say it does have a certain charm though.
Most: The minimalist Amiga 3000 Desktop. Just need to squeeze a CD-ROM bay in there.
Old Fav... The A3000 Tower.
The 500 has a lot of charm to me mainly in being the epitome of "**** you PC, I have 512 KB of RAM and you still can't play Shadow of the Beast" ;)
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What is your favourite amiga model ?
Both today when everything is available and in the context of when it came out.
Similar, which one is your least favourite ?
Back in the late 80's I think the A500 was my favorite because it was actually something I could afford with the proceeds of my Albersons grocery store job. I think I made a whole $3.05 per hour :)
My friend from school (the now infamous Columbine HS) had the A1000 which made my C= 64 look like a toy. So I knew I wanted the Amiga. After researching the differences between the 2000 and 500 I decided on the 500.
As I recall the machine was $550 or so from the cheapest mail-order vendor and I had saved that amount finally. I did not yet have enough for shipping, but I gave my dad the money and he ordered it for me. I'm like PLEASE! I'll have the rest of the money before it arrives...
I used it with a monochrome amber monitor and the only redeeming thing about that is I could run interlace mode with very little flicker. The mouse would leave trails though :)
I think the best ever was the 1200. The price was reasonable and the machine was really built to be expanded - IDE/PCMCIA/Trapdoor and the then unknown clockport.
The 4000 is probably the machine I feel is my least favorite - if I had to pick one.
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The 1000 is my most favorite. I was around seven when I first saw it at the local Amiga dealer. Compared to the C64 I used at the time, it was a whole different universe of possibilities. The case is probably one of the best looking peices of industrial design in the last twenty years.
The 600 is the worst and besides being ugly, was way overpriced.
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All A600s should be collected, melted down into a hollow plastic slug into which all print references to it should be placed, and fired into the sun.
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I really wish the A4000T would be in wide release today.
Never was a fan of the 500, had one, just not a fan.
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A1000 is the best looking Amiga, IMO, but I've never had one so I can't really say it's my favourite one. One that I don't like? I like them all, even the A600 others here hate, because it was my first Amiga model.
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Favorite Amiga: 4000, because of it's expandability, only wish is to get an Escom tower 4000, I have a few desktops, Micronik, so only thing I need is proper tower.
Also the 1200 shares that top position.
Even favorite (so not bad, but not great either): 500 / 2000, these are by far the best for games, but they lack the speed.
Although the 2000 has good expandability, the A500 is not, turbo boards are rare and often very expensive.
Least favorite: 1000, although you have hardware kickstarts, most of them are softkick and I can't see my self inserting disks all the time.
I would like to have one just for the collection, but I won't use it.
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Fave: Without doubt, the CD32. Small, perfectly formed and most fun to use Amiga I ever owned.
A close second would be my Franken1200, which gave me many, many years of service through numerous upgrades and hacks.
Least: A500, because no desk I could get a hold of that fitted in the front room was able to provide adequate space for the thing. That and the fact that floppies wore out, usually on the last disk on a long game that you were but moments away from completing.
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The A1000 should win the design award. Softkick is no biggy, just remember to use Ctrl-A-A instead of the switch. Swapping between 1.3 ROMs and 2.x/3.x ROMs to play your old games was a big hassle... Until Relokick came along.
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All A600s should be collected, melted down into a hollow plastic slug into which all print references to it should be placed, and fired into the sun.
Although I've never owned an a600, I like them. I often think about buying one ( and a plus-4 ) but I need to get rid of some other stuff first really.
I don't think I'd buy a CD32 or CDTV, I'd want to upgrade them both to full amiga's and that kinda spoils things.
A500 is the favourite one that I owned.
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1st: A3000
2nd best: A1000
Both well designed, hardware-wise and by the looks, and state of the art with no or little compromise.
Worst: none - I love all miggies! ;)
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Most: A1200 for IDE + AGA + PMCIA
Least: CDTV cause its useless or else CD32
Ex Favorite: A500Plus because its my first Amiga when i was 12 yrs old
Ex Least favorite: A600 because just after buying my A500+, i saw an article on Amiga Format saying "The A500 is dead, long live the Amiga" in reference to the A600 being released
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Most favourite: A1200. Used one from 1993 until ooh 2003? It got towerised PPC-ised and generally Frankensteined in the meantime. The 3,5" IDE hard drive in an external biscuit tin has to be one of my most ingenious (cough) expansions for it.
Least favourite: A1200. Unstable piece of shit at times. Even more so with the growing amount of Frankenstein-bits duct taped to it. The PPC card especially was a bitch.
Ultimate machine I've always wanted to own: A3000T. I did manage to house my A1200 in a surplus empty A3kT tower once 8).
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most favourite: A1200. Used one from 1993 until ooh 2003? It got towerised ppc-ised and generally frankensteined in the meantime.
Least favourite: A1200. Unstable piece of shit at times. Even more so with the growing amount of frankenstein-bits duct taped to it. The ppc card especially was a bitch.
qfmft.
Although mine is still going, as you can see from the sig.
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Favourite: Pimped A4000- 68060, CV-64, scandoubler, cd-burner, Vlab motion. Close second: A1200 with my Apollo 68060. Both machines as stock are fairly useless. An 1200 with 2meg ram? Pointless.
Least favourite: A2000. I hate the massive case. And the 16 bit bus chokes any expansions you might add to it.
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I actually rather like the 600. Its small and snazzy. Sure it wasn't a machine Commodore needed to spend money on, but today.. its cute.
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Hi,
Favorite Amiga was the Amiga 1000 because it did have kickstart disks that could be upgraded with time and as long as Commodore supported the kickstart disks.
My least favorite was the A2000 which sort of reminded me of an overgrown A500 with expandability which wasn't really supported. Plus what was with all the isa slots with no control board a total waste of space.
@ the leander
son now listen up, ya hear, now why are you talkin franken 1200 when what we all wanted to know was your favorite and least favorite Amiga. Stick the subject matter son, you beginning to sound like a MAC fanboy.
smerf
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without any doubt the amiga 1200.. the most expandable entry-level machine commodore ever built. just look at my sig :) I like the a600 too, because its nice, compact and it reminds me of the c64. my least favorite, probably the bulky and slow a2000.
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Most favorite all around would be the Amiga 1000. From before its rollout, I was in love with that machine and bought one when they became more affordable by '87, around the time A500/A2000 were released.
In practice though and what I use currently the most today would be the A3000. Couldn't afford an A3000 when they were released ($3200+!) and by the time they were affordable ($500+), the A1200 was already out and went with that machine instead because of its promising AGA architecture and came bundled with OS3.0.
Today I do not own an AGA capable machine and I'm fine with that. I like the looks and feel of the 3000 too much to go back to one. It's just a more practical machine for me w/ more sensible expansion options. A1200's case and styling though is nice, don't get me wrong. Great little computer for sure.
Least favorite would be the A500 (too big as already mentioned) and A4000. Even though A4000's tend to be problematic, it's not a terribly big deal changing out caps. I just don't care for the case and styling of the machine. It was overpriced too from the get go, which didn't help my perception of it at the time. At least when the 3000 was released, that was considered a state of the art, hi-end mainframe machine and was priced competitively with similar computers at the time. Built in FF/SD and you have the makes for one sexy Amiga computing experience. If you're gonna have a computer sitting out on display, may as well make sure she's worth looking at :)
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My favorite(s) are the A500 (my first Amiga), 3000 (which I still use with a external SCSI Power Computing Mini Tower 2cd-rw's, 2 SCSI 4 GB HDDs) and the 4000 (which is currently in restoration process. My least favorite is the Amiga 2500HD and the A600 (although I am still looking for one for my collection), but I think hands down the BIGGEST COMPETITOR FOR WORST AMIGA IS .... Drum ROLL PLEASE THE Amiga 500+. Another Amiga favorite of mine is the Amiga CD-32 game console which I still play here and there with my daughters. Cheers!!!
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Most: A1200
Least: CD32
I only wish Commodore hadn't screwed up, then we could all be running the best computer in the world with the fabled AAA chipset. (what a waste !!!)
Franko
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Fave: A1200, can add an accelerator and ram, and a HDD. (Mainly) backwards compatible, true colour mode. And I could afford it!
Worst: A1200. Deliberetly hobbled processor (soldered), not enough ram (soldered again!), had to hack to fit in 3.5" HDD, not advanced enough technically. Same old floppy storage amount as A500.
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I didn't realize that I've been away so long - since January when I sold my 20 year collection of Amiga gear. In an Amiga funk. I'm back on Amiga Forever/AmiKit.
In 1990 I decided to find out what kind of computer I could afford. 286's were discounted because of the new 386SX's - only $2000.00! Macs were, of course much more - I have blotted that out in horror. They were both capable of.... well, nothing. Adding numbers, playing script games, etc. No, there wasn't an etc.
Then I went to a now defunct electronics store in a local mall and saw my first A500. Holy ####! $500.00 and it could do EVERYTHING and didn't need a monitor! I guess your first love is always your favorite. Over the years I bought 3 more in case it needed parts and they were not available commercially.
I outfitted the 500's with all sorts of fluff.
Then the C= A1200's came out and I bought one, and then an Escom and loaded them up big time.
If I had to choose, I'd pick an outfitted A1200, but that A500 knocked my and everyone I showed it to's eyes out.
I can't choose.
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@ the leander
son now listen up, ya hear, now why are you talkin franken 1200 when what we all wanted to know was your favorite and least favorite Amiga. Stick the subject matter son, you beginning to sound like a MAC fanboy.
smerf
:lol:
Having just watched Gran Turino starring Clint Eastwood, I read the above with his voice saying the words.
Class.
As for why? I was somewhat stuck for a firm fave. The CD32 beat it out in the end, but it wasn't by much. Consider it an honourable mention.
When it ran well, I preferred it over the CD32, the problem is, as others have mentioned, that the harder I pushed the hardware and the more hacks I added, the less stable it became. Which was in the end why the CD32 won out. Even with it's lowly 8Mb expansion and original 020, it was a fine machine that gave me far less issues than the 1200 did.
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The A600 is the ony C= maschine I still own. Technically it was th eleast appealing though (way too late!), but it somehow sums up a lot of the later Amiga history: good, but still wrong decisions. Take for example the PCMIA port: it was rather useless back in the day and became handy years later. But then again the A600 came still with the 7 MHz 68k and ECS only...
What a strange device. But it works and looks cute. I like it. Somehow.
But of course back in the day I was always wanting an A3000T.
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The A1200 should be voted lasted because of the crippled 020 (the cheap 24-bit version) and the lack of a simm slot. Punishing cost cutting.
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From a aesthetic point-of-view the original 1000 looked great (very Mac like) and the 3000 tried to follow that design. The 2000/4000 just looked like bland boxes, not very interesting. Obviously the 500/1200 were a nice design for the budget.
Technically, the original 1000 and 500 were the best.....it was all downhill from there ;)
My personal favorite Amiga's: A1200, CD32, A3000
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Favorite: A2000 as it was my first Amiga, actually my new favorite is the 4000T
Least Favorite: A500+, pointess
On a side note, I do like the A600 which not many people like... should have been cheaper, but oh well
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The cheap wannabe Amiga, the Atari ST.
:)
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Oooh, tough question....
I have only seen pics of the 3000, but I'd say visually it's my fave....
My favorites... Amiga 500, and 600.. A500, my first Amiga, had it nicely expanded. A600, my late father's first ever computer, '030, 32MB RAM.... He loved that machine, he liked the small size...
I don't think 4000's are that bad.... but then again, I do own 2 of them :)
Least favorite... well, the 4000 could have looked better....
My 1200T runs beautifully, easy to upgrade/mantain.... but doesn't much look like an Amiga...:lol:
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Least = CD32. Ugly console and not a real computer.
Most = I like almost all models of amiga, but preferred are A600 (small and cute), A500 Plus (the firts i got) and A1200 (versatile, expandable, powerful).
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My least favorite is the A2000, it's big and ugly and only has Z2.
My favorites is A3000 and A4000, pretty small cases and good computers.
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Having had the chance to own all of the models (except the 600) at one time or the other, I have to say that they all had good points and bad points. Each of them I enjoyed when they worked.
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Well I only own an A1200 and Cd32, but i think the best Amiga has to be the A1000, its the one that started it all, it the only Amiga that can truly say it was years ahead of the competition, by the time newer models came out the market was catching up. The only problem with it really was it only had 256k not 512k at launch a shame. Even the first Amiga got screwed by Commodore.
Then the worst, close between A4000 and A600 not for what they are, they good computers but they should of been so much more, A4000 we know was basically a early prototype board that just went into production to save costs, and the A600 should of lunched at the same price if not cheaper than the A500, the whole point I believe of the A600 was to make a low cost, small low spec amiga, but some odd reason Commodore screwed that up and made it cost more than the A500! Otherwise I think it might of been more successful than the A500.
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I hate to side with Doomy but I am going to go A2000. Lots of room and solid as a tank.
Least favorite, A500. Dull.
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The cheap wannabe Amiga, the Atari ST.
:)
Hey now, I like the Falcon. :)
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Still love my 3000T the best even if it's not currently working....
1000 would be next in line.
Least would be CDTV I guess.
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A1000 was a great first release, but I can't stand to use it today.
My favorite is the A3000.
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I liked all Amigas for the OS and it's capabilites, not for the hardware cases. I thought almost every Commodore case made was junk. Terrible layout, hard to access the inards and poor designs. The only exceptions where they came close to getting it right was with the 3000T and 4000T. Why did Commodore find it so hard to make an easily expandable and well ventilated case?
Just on looks alone, I though the 4000 desktop toaster looked the best.
Plaz
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Maybe we could add a poll to it ?
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Favourite: A4000T
Least Favourite: A500
Anybody that disagrees is a fool.
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I liked all Amigas for the OS and it's capabilites, not for the hardware cases. I thought almost every Commodore case made was junk. Terrible layout, hard to access the inards and poor designs. The only exceptions where they came close to getting it right was with the 3000T and 4000T. Why did Commodore find it so hard to make an easily expandable and well ventilated case?
Just on looks alone, I though the 4000 desktop toaster looked the best.
Plaz
I think you have to seriously consider the target market and the planned expansions, not those expansions which were later dreamed up by third parties.
Now there is also the reality that this was at a time when engineering, marketing, software and finance departments within computer companies were starting to distance themselves from each other. Remember that early on the companies were smaller and the hardware and software guys were close if not the same people. Heck looking at most of the products out on the market today, I think you could make the case that these groups do not even talk to each other anymore. (well, there is facebook and myspace)
As long as were bashing expansion, let's be fair, It seems to me that serious expansion of many of the Dell, Compaq, Mac and IBM systems presented the same or even greater challenges than the Commodore products. I'd stack the expandability and modularity of an A2000 up against almost any computer of the past or today.
In one sense you could say that the design of the A500 was stifling, but on the other hand you could expand it according to the amount of room you had on the left side of your desk.
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Favorite Amiga: A500 because that's the first one I owned and did the most programming, gaming, music, drawing and everything else on in those days. A1000 would be a close second just because it's the original one I saw in 1985 in a computer store. I still have it.
Least Favorite Amiga: I don't have experience with every amiga model so I couldn't tell you. They all seem to have their purpose. Maybe the A500+ because it broke compatibility with the 500, right? Life was easy in the early days when there were just the 1000, 500 and 2000.
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I think you have to seriously consider the target market and the planned expansions, not those expansions which were later dreamed up by third parties.
I'd stack the expandability and modularity of an A2000 up against almost any computer of the past or today.
In one sense you could say that the design of the A500 was stifling, but on the other hand you could expand it according to the amount of room you had on the left side of your desk.
your example of the A2000 and the A500 illustrates how the target market determined the design and expandablity. A2000=professional market, expandable via zorro slots, A500 home user, games. Yet they still put the side connector which meant you didn't need to sell it and buy an A2000 when you wanted to expand.
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Amiga 4000T & Amiga 1000 are my most fav models.
:)
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favorite A3000T unlimited expansion only negative no AGA
Least favorite A500 just too big, A600 is almost a tie
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My most favourite at the time and all-time is the A1200. Excellent value for money and very upgradeable for an all-in-one keyboard computer.
Though my first Amiga was an A500 it is my least favourite. Followed closely by the A600.
I will add that my most coveted Amiga was the A4000/40. Even today on eBay these machines go for more than some Powermac G5 systems, and that I can not abide. My A1200 will do for my retro computing needs.
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I kinda liked the A600. Too bad it wasn't very expandable. :|
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Favourite has to be the A2000 due to the fact that it is built like a brike-poo house and has so much space inside that you'd never need to put that mobo into a tower case.
Least favourite Amiga that I've owned has to be the A3000. It has the potential to be so good, but that crappy case design was just too small. Designed by an artist rather than an engineer.
Then there's the A600 which is the one Amiga I've never been tempted to own because of the missing keypad. Launched just before the A1200, I know several people who dumped Commodore after buying one because they felt ripped off by the quick arrival of the superior A1200 and were not prepared to hanf over more cash to buy the machine they should have had to start with.
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hm, tough call. I'd say a600 is least fav. or maybe CD32.
though I do like a600 small size.
and I hate that Walker thingy, but thankfully it doesnt count.
most fav would be A4000D or perhaps A3000D, depending what cards it has..
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The A1200.
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I have to say that I really like them all.
I guess atm my favorite is the A600 though. My living room WHDload 600 will finally get a 030 when the new accelerator comes out. :-)
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The Amiga 500 it is a fantastic machine for work and games.
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Hmmm well it's a tough call for the worst, they are bad for different reasons (price/build quality/lack of improvement to chipset for a gaming machine)
Favourite for me is probably the A1000, my A1000, a beautiful silent well designed compact 3 box design from a time of PCs the size of a house with jet engine sounding fans and crappy all in one Macs with tiny monochrome screens.
It's either that or the 3000, but the ECS update was a joke and the A3000 had no technical superiority so it's a styling thing. So A1000 it is then all things considered, a heavyweight boxer in the guise of a super model :)
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the A3000 had no technical superiority
Are you mad?
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I think you have to seriously consider the target market and the planned expansions, not those expansions which were later dreamed up by third parties.
No excuses..... I could pick on any model, but I'll start with the desktop 3000. Obviously it was given expansion slots and intended to be expanded with memory and other CPU cards.
Need to add some more of that fabulous Zip ram? ... no problem, just completely disassemble the entire computer down to the frame to get to the memory sockets... simple. What was the target audience there, erector set engineers? :)
Plaz
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The 600 is a funny thing. Back in the day, it was commonly considered a mistake by Commodore. But with the PCMCIA slot, it has some nice capabilities today that the more popular 500 lacks, such as easy file transfers.
I'd love to have one. Its kinda cute.
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The A1200 is a great machine and IMHO the best Amiga ever, however, I've a soft spot for the CD32. I think that's a nostalgia thing. :)
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Are you mad?
lol
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Did I mention (I thought I did?) that I love the fact the a1200 is always able to scale right down to its base cpu by holding '2' while booting your a1200+ppc setup? its so useful to play old games and demos. Coupled with relokick 1.4, everything can be forced to run. You cant do that on any of the other Amiga's. Also, its 256MB limit is nice, as is its clock port, sleek design, rf-output and much, much more. It really is a hobby machine pur sang. So many possibilites!
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Favorite: A1200
Least Favorite: A500+/A600, pointess!!
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Favorite is the A4000T. I'd still love to have one.
I was going to berate the A500+, but really that's just a cost reduced A500, so that's not so bad, it's good business.
I guess I'd say the A600 was the worst. It was underpowered and over the projected price. (it was supposed to be the A300)
IMHO, the A500+ could have held out until the A1200 shipped, saving the R&D and marketing costs of the A600.
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I've never met an Amiga that I didn't like. They are all still fantastic, can do almost anything (Never owned CDTV, CD32, or a 4000). Amiga was my first general purpose computer with a real OS and large spectrum of applications and abilities.
Some computers that put me off:
Timex Sinclair - cassette tapes and crude graphics
TI-99 - every l e t t e r in a text stream was a different color, rediculously expensive expansion, limited apps.
8-bit Ataris and Commodores - toy-like OSes
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A600 is the worst. I owned it for 2 weeks and sent it back.
A4000T has given me the best range of uses, but I have very fond memories of the A1200. The A500 and B2000 give me fond memories also, but in those days the novelty and awesomeness of the Amiga made an impression on me quite easily.
An A1200 with a Blizzard 060 and SCSI kit and internal scandoubler would probably suit me just fine, overall. My A4000T with PPC/060 is better spec than that, but it is a hulking brute and I haven't used it for a long time.