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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Radfoo on November 28, 2003, 11:01:35 AM
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Hi,
I just got myself a Blizzard PPC 040/160Mhz and a BVision quite cheap :-) . I have fitted it in my Eyetech Mk5 tower and it seems to work ok. However I think I need a little help please:
1. I have no fan on the 040 and it gets very hot 8-) any suggestions on what I can fit in the small space?
2. The PPC heatsink is also very hot and the fan is noisy, any suggestions to a replacement?
3. I am also missing the SVGA cable for the BVision, can some one tell me the pinouts so I can make a new one?
Thanks :-)
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Radfoo wrote:
Hi,
I just got myself a Blizzard PPC 040/160Mhz and a BVision quite cheap :-) . I have fitted it in my Eyetech Mk5 tower and it seems to work ok. However I think I need a little help please:
1. I have no fan on the 040 and it gets very hot 8-) any suggestions on what I can fit in the small space?
2. The PPC heatsink is also very hot and the fan is noisy, any suggestions to a replacement?
3. I am also missing the SVGA cable for the BVision, can some one tell me the pinouts so I can make a new one?
Thanks :-)
I recomend a 486 CPU cooler they sort of fit on the 040. You can find them in junk shops for a pound or two now.
The PPC cooler should be enough, but my BlizzPPC fan melter so if you can find a cooler for the PPC that woudl be a good idea.
-Edit- AFAIK the SVGA cable should be a standard one, they can be bought from any computer shop.
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I recomend a 486 CPU cooler they sort of fit on the 040. You can find them in junk shops for a pound or two now.
Do you mean just a heatsink or a fan as well? I have a few old heat sinks but nothing seems to fit, the case gets in the way :-( .
Thanks for the advice!
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one advice , remove the old ppc fan and insert a bigger one.., if its started to make noise...then its time to switch it with a better one.
some more tips: make sure the 040/060 is cooled down with a fan aswell and i recmomend a cooling rib aswell, dont use too much coolrpaste (read the manual included with the paste before use).
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Radfoo wrote:
I recomend a 486 CPU cooler they sort of fit on the 040. You can find them in junk shops for a pound or two now.
Do you mean just a heatsink or a fan as well? I have a few old heat sinks but nothing seems to fit, the case gets in the way :-( .
Thanks for the advice!
Hmmm, I found a 486 PC in a skip, took it home, took out the fan/heatsink and put it on my 68040 (the plastic clips didn't fit, so I used cable ties to hold it on.)
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remove the old ppc fan and insert a bigger one..,
Is it easy to mount a bigger fan in the same place? Would I have to put it on top of the heatsink instead?
i recmomend a cooling rib aswell,
I am having trouble finding information on those, do you have a link?
Thanks!
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Hmmm, I found a 486 PC in a skip, took it home, took out the fan/heatsink and put it on my 68040 (the plastic clips didn't fit, so I used cable ties to hold it on.)
Just butchered the only 486 we have at work :-) .
It is not to tall so I think it will fit, however it has a raised edge to fit around a 486 cpu. Is an 040 cpu a little bigger?
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Radfoo wrote:
remove the old ppc fan and insert a bigger one..,
Is it easy to mount a bigger fan in the same place? Would I have to put it on top of the heatsink instead?
i recmomend a cooling rib aswell,
I am having trouble finding information on those, do you have a link?
Thanks!
I'm not sure, but there muct be PPC603 heat sinks and fans available....
Anyway, just stick an Athlon heatsink/fan on top of the PPC cooler that should do the job :-)
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Radfoo wrote:
Hmmm, I found a 486 PC in a skip, took it home, took out the fan/heatsink and put it on my 68040 (the plastic clips didn't fit, so I used cable ties to hold it on.)
Just butchered the only 486 we have at work :-) .
It is not to tall so I think it will fit, however it has a raised edge to fit around a 486 cpu. Is an 040 cpu a little bigger?
Um... I don't know, the heatsink I found was flat and sat perfectly on the 68040, then I just ran cable ties around the board to hold it on, it looks a mess but it seems to work.
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Anyway, just stick an Athlon heatsink/fan on top of the PPC cooler that should do the job
I wish I could do that, but the side of the case gets in the way :-( .
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Radfoo wrote:
Anyway, just stick an Athlon heatsink/fan on top of the PPC cooler that should do the job
I wish I could do that, but the side of the case gets in the way :-( .
Cut a hole in the case? put a litlle flashin light in ther and tell eveyone it meant to be like that :-)
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1. I have no fan on the 040 and it gets very hot 8-) any suggestions on what I can fit in the small space?
Is it running at 25, 33 or 40 MHz ? For a 25 MHz 040er it is save to operate without cooling, although it might feel quite hot, the processor is up to take it quite well.
3. I am also missing the SVGA cable for the BVision, can some one tell me the pinouts so I can make a new one?
I'm not sure, if that alone would help, as it was a simple flat ribboncabel that was pinned 1:1. That cable connects the BVision with a small PCB that holds the VGA-connector, AND some eletronics too.
I don't know if they were only needed for the cyberspacegoogles connector the old P5 modells had, or if they are needed for the VGA output too.
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Cut a hole in the case? put a litlle flashin light in ther and tell eveyone it meant to be like that
:-D
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Is it running at 25, 33 or 40 MHz ? For a 25 MHz 040er it is save to operate without cooling, although it might feel quite hot, the processor is up to take it quite well.
I think its running at 25mhz but I am not sure, seems really hot though.
I'm not sure, if that alone would help, as it was a simple flat ribboncabel that was pinned 1:1. That cable connects the BVision with a small PCB that holds the VGA-connector, AND some eletronics too.
Do'h, that could be a problem then :-( .
Does anyone have a picture of a cable so I could take a look?
Thanks
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Does anyone have a picture of a cable so I could take a look?
Try www.amiga-hardware.com
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Try www.amiga-hardware.com
Thanks, but I tried already. They only have info on the card itself not the cable :-( .
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Found this picture http://www.amigasuperbit.com/indexcataloge/38.htm (http://www.amigasuperbit.com/indexcataloge/38.htm)
Looks like I need the original gizmo then :-( . Anyone want to sell me part of there BVision :-D
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Radfoo wrote:
Found this picture http://www.amigasuperbit.com/indexcataloge/38.htm (http://www.amigasuperbit.com/indexcataloge/38.htm)
Looks like I need the original gizmo then :-( . Anyone want to sell me part of there BVision :-D
Someone here will know the Pinout... :-)
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Hi,
I've got a Blizzard in my Amiga 1200 Tower case ('040@25Mhz). As for the fan problem, well I mounted a pc cpu fan (pentium one I think) over the Blizzard card, via a strip of metal plate. Basically one of those pci slot covers, drilled a few holds in it, screwed the fan to one end, the other to the chassis. Everything seems to work fine, had it running for hours without any problems.
Personnally I think my 1200T is going to be religated to the "museum", and I'll buy myself a spanking new G4 AmigaOne when OS 4 comes out. After all I can only hack my 1200 so far! :-D
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@Radfoo:
The original gizmo ;) just seems to hold the filters for the output, so the you will manage without it, if I am not totally wrong the filters are there to make sure the device doesnt interfere with other electronical equipment and can get the FCC-approval. You should even get a clearer picture without the filters if you make a cable yourself and use ok cabling. Flat cable as used originally by Phase5 and DCE(?) aint really recommended for monitor-signals, they should actually coaxial-cables with an impedance of 75 Ohms for the Red, Green, Blue, Horisontalsync and Verticalsync signals.
Must just say one final thing. As the connector on the BlizzardVision only got 10 pins it is probably contains the five Red, Green, Blue, Horisontalsync and Verticalsync signals plus one ground for each of them, though I am just guessing, but it would not be hard to find out with a multimeter.
Pinout-guess (will look a bit wierd when submitted):
1 9
. . . . .
. . . . .
2 10
1 - Red
2 - Red Ground
3 - Green
4 - Green Ground
5 - Blue
6 - Blue Ground
7 - Horisontal Sync
8 - Horisontal Ground
9 - Vertical Sync
10 - Vertical Ground
Ok this is as stated just a guess. The ground-pins of the connector on the BVision are very easy to measure with a multimeter. Just set it to measure resistance in Ohms, connect one of the probes to a known ground on the card, put the other probe on a pin of the connector - if you measure a resistance of about 1 Ohm it should be a ground-pin.
The through-plated big mounting-holes on the BVision should be ground... cant guarantee it though, plug the card in the computer and measure if the holes are connected to the ground of the chassis with the above method to know for sure.
(edit) If you can get hold of a multimeter which can check connections and give a beep if connected this is even simpler :). Usually that selection is among the resistance-measurments on the multimeter and is marked with a diode-symbol.
Good luck!
/Patrik
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Don't know if it will be enough, but in my big tower pc I use a 5,25" twin cooler that sits on top of my highest cdrom, and according to the info I get from the motherboard it makes a difference of 15 degrees Celcius when I hook it on. It costed me 20 euro in the local pc store ...
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The 25MHz 040 on my BlizzPPC has onnly an old K6-II aluminium heatsink on it. That brings it into physical contact with the side of the case almost, but I have checked it after several hours use and it simply doesnt get that hot.
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@Radfoo
IIRC those cable, is a "alluminium foil shielded flat cable" and then anyway, you need the small PCB at the end of the cable.
Try to contact Vesalia or so.
Ciao
EDIT- or if you are rich, http://www.amiga.fr
i.e: 5volt PPC fan= 21,00 EUR
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(edit) If you can get hold of a multimeter which can check connections and give a beep if connected this is even simpler :). Usually that selection is among the resistance-measurments on the multimeter and is marked with a diode-symbol.
Cool, I have one of those. It is about the only setting I can handle!
I'll have a go later, see what happens :-) .
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I've got a Blizzard in my Amiga 1200 Tower case ('040@25Mhz). As for the fan problem, well I mounted a pc cpu fan (pentium one I think) over the Blizzard card
Yep, I think an 040 is about the same size as a Pentium. The problem is that the CPU is next to the side of the tower leaving little room for a heat sink and fan :-( .
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Personnally I think my 1200T is going to be religated to the "museum", and I'll buy myself a spanking new G4 AmigaOne when OS 4 comes out. After all I can only hack my 1200 so far!
I was going to do that, but instead I got this Eyetech Mk5 tower. It has space for an A1200 and my A1 board :-) . No room for Zorro or PCI but this PPC/BVision combo should be quite good :-) .
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I have a ressurected Apollo 1240 card in my 1200D. I found an old combined 5V fan/heatsink that was almost exactly the same area as the 040 and only 1cm tall in total at a computer fair. It cost me 50p (I wish I's bought a few now).
Anyhoo, its very quiet, gets nice and cool and as the only real downside, is made by intel (/hide). It could be a pentium 1 fan? Not sure.
If you can find such a beast, it would be ideal for your card.
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Karlos wrote:
I have a ressurected Apollo 1240 card in my 1200D. I found an old combined 5V fan/heatsink that was almost exactly the same area as the 040 and only 1cm tall in total at a computer fair. It cost me 50p (I wish I's bought a few now).
Anyhoo, its very quiet, gets nice and cool and as the only real downside, is made by intel (/hide). It could be a pentium 1 fan? Not sure.
If you can find such a beast, it would be ideal for your card.
THat's exactly waht mine looks like!!! but it was on top of an old 30Mhz 486sx
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Does it have some garish holographic sticker on the fan motor with the intel logo? If so its the exact same one.
There y' go folks, finally a use for some ancient 486 PC - steal the cooler for your 040's!
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I have a spare fan for blizzard ppc its in good clean working order i dont realy need it ill fit bigger fans on my 2 ppc cards when the fans die.As for the 040 the one i have in use has a 486 cpu cooler fitted but no fan because its to close in my old eyetech tower.
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dont use too much coolrpaste (read the manual included with the paste before use).
I coated the whole of the top of my 040 before fiting the heatsink.
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@Radfoo:
You are right in that the 68040 is about the same size as a pentium.
An old Pentium-MMX I got here is:
49x49 mm
An old ;) 68060 (same size as 68040) I got here is:
47x47mm
/Patrik
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@Radfoo:
My 68040@25Mhz gets *very* hot (after running for a few minutes, it's too hot to touch). I had a very small heatsink glued to it, but that fell off about a year ago. Since then, it runs fine without any colling.
The schematics for the BVision <-> VGA cable can be found here (http://home.foni.net/~thomas-joerg/hardhack.htm) (the site is German, just go to the "BVision/CVPPC-Anschluß" pragraph).
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@amigamad
I put a small dollop in the middle and then spread it out by gently moving the heatsink in a gradually widening spiral motion (eliminates any air pockets) until as much of the chip was covered and the heatsink was quite tightly attached by the grip of the heat transfer compound itself.
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The schematics for the BVision <-> VGA cable can be found here (the site is German, just go to the "BVision/CVPPC-Anschluß" pragraph).
Thats should do it, thanks!
I'll have to dig out my soldering iron now :flame:
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Managed to make a BVision cable using the pinouts mentioned on this list, looks great. Thanks :-) .
Stuck a pentium heat sink on the 040, however the whole thing still seems to get very hot and it has been a little unstable :-( .
Not tried much, but not managed to get any PPC software working :-( . Is the WapOS 5 from the OS3.9 cd the latest available?
Thanks for the advice so far :-) .
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When I first obtained a BlizzardPPC/040 I found that my system would run for around an hour perfectly before intermmitently crashing. I found that the 040 was getting worryingly hot (it's the 25mhz version like yours) so I simp;y installed a cheap fan which blows air onto the entire card - this is currently cable-tie fitted to my highest 5.25" bay and aims directly at the card.
Since then I've NEVER had any crashing problems relating to the 040 overheating, even on the hottest of days in the summer. You can pick a suitable fan up at a local PC store or Maplins.
Regarding the noisey PPC fan, it's probably bunged up with muck - I take mine out and clean it once a year. Aside from that it should be fine, it's a bit of a hassle to upgrade it, especially since the standard fan will cool it down just fine as long as it's kept clean.
Hope this helps
Brian
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Sort of off topic:
Is it recommended me using a fan or heatsink on the Permdia 2 chip on the Blizzardvision?
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@CU_AMiGA:
It wont hurt, that much I can tell you, aspecially not if you are having issues with it (FUCKED UP?). Some PC card manufacturers making cards based on the Permedia 2 chip seems to think it is needed, check out the Diamond Fire GL 1000 (http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/19971109/3d-08.html) card. Though you could always check if heat is the issue by letting a extra fan blow over the card.
Good luck!
/Patrik
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@patrik,
Thanks for that. No the Blizzardvision has been good and has been a massive up from AGA. :-) I just wanted to make sure that things coninue to go smoothly graphics wise. I like the Blizzardvision very much. One of my best buys infact, only £30! :-)
It is my bloody 30gig Maxtor Hard Drive that has been a bloody nuisance lately.
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@CU_AMiGA
The TVP4020 gets pretty damn hot. I installed a heatsink designed for a power amp on mine (same surface area, 1 inch tall vanes). In my case itself I have a spare case cooling fan mounted above the motherboard that blows air across it (close to the gfxcard).
With this arrangement, I can touch the heatsink and it is just gently warm. I was able to overclock the chip too, but the increase in performance wasnt that great so I put it back as it was.
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@Karlos
Is the TVP4020 part of the Permedia 2? Sorry i am not too technical really. I am really tempted to get a fan for both Blizzardvision and 060. PPC is doing just fine though. Another thing that bothers me is the power supply. Would the Amiga handle it or should i get another power box. I currently use the one from the Power Tower (250 i think).
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Yeah, sorry dude thats the part number for Texas Instruments implementation the Permedia2 chip. I spent so bloody long looking at tech info on it I kinda use it interchangably...
Anyhow its the low profile chip with the 3DLabs Permedia2 logo on it.
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Er, that was kinda stating the obvious there. Sorry man I been up sice 6am yesteraday!
As for PSU, I have 350W but I dont think the drain is so high. 250 will be fine for you system. If you had a PCI board and cards to feed you may need more than 250, but as for the rest - unlikely.
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Okay thanks for that guys. I will have a little look. I also believe that Amiga Repair Centre can do this job as well. I may do that.
Thanks again
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When I first obtained a BlizzardPPC/040 I found that my system would run for around an hour perfectly before intermmitently crashing. I found that the 040 was getting worryingly hot (it's the 25mhz version like yours) so I simp;y installed a cheap fan which blows air onto the entire card - this is currently cable-tie fitted to my highest 5.25" bay and aims directly at the card.
Think i'll have to try that, thanks :-)
Regarding the noisey PPC fan, it's probably bunged up with muck - I take mine out and clean it once a year. Aside from that it should be fine, it's a bit of a hassle to upgrade it, especially since the standard fan will cool it down just fine as long as it's kept clean.
Tried cleaning it, but it still make a racket most of the time. Discovered yesterday that when its making the horrible noise its not actualy blowing much air :-o . So I need a new PPC fan!
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@Radfoo:
Another reason for instability could be the motherboard. My original A1200 motherboard didn´t like my BlizzPPC, the machine simply froze or crashed regularly (sometimes it worked for a few minutes, sometimes for about an hour- but it always crashed sooner or later).
I got a new A1200 motherboard and the machine works fine for 5 years now. I guess my original motherboard was lacking the famous "timing fix".
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Thanks for everyones advice, I think I have the heat situation under control.
Still having a few software problems though. Wipeout locks after a couple of minutes and I just get a grey screen when I try Payback :-( .
Is there a site on the net with a Blizzard FAQ or something? In particular I wonder what setpatch I should use? I have also installed a BVision fix thingy that came with Warp3D 5.1, do I really need this?
Thanks :-)