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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: avilasan on November 27, 2003, 04:42:41 PM
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Hi guys,
Any body here knows to Robert Waters, I buying a mother board at ebay , pay for it and never receive it, i try to contact by email or phone, but he don't anwser...
I ask to ebay protection buyer, but r_waters isn't registred more at ebay (ooops) :-(
Now he is using the ds_collectibles2003 nickname instead r_waters... you can check his new feedback...
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewFeedback&userid=ds_collectibles2003&items=200
Please take care with this seller...
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Ebay is indeed not perfect. I have also had an experience at buying a video-editing card, paid over 100 euro by banktransfer and never got the card and the person was after a while also not registered anymore ... bummer .. lost the money ... couldn't laugh at it ... :-x
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On another note watch out for PayPal now too! I will no longer use them after I was ripped off by a buyer.
I sold a T68i GSM phone to a guy in Estonia last week. Before the auction closed he wrote me about 4 times making sure I would ship to him and accept paypal. I said I would if he paid the shipping. He paid me wirh PayPal and as soon as he got the tracking number I got a email from PayPal telling me the payment was fraud. Well I said okay I am protected and should get my money for the phone still.. WRONG!! Estonia is not a PayPal prefered country and they took the money from m. I have since called them and argued the matter showing them the tracking number, they guys address and th fact he got the product. The sad thing is, the same persons name that the card belonged to email me BEFORE the auction. I looked on ebay and this same person scammed others in the same few days he did it to me. Inddistwill is the usename.
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Geez.. I was about to bid something off him last week... This guy is from Memphis, TN. USA. if I remember correctly... darn, what a shame, he used to sell good stuff... He even answered something I asked:
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Battery is fine with no leakage and buster is socketed.
Thanks,
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:10:14 PST
To: ebaybys@nightowlcomputers.com
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2766916748
Hello, I'm interested in the machine. Just wondering if it has the
original clock battery and if tt ever leak? Sometimes these motherboards
get damaged with clock batterie's leakage.
Another question: Does it have the Buster chip soldered or is it put on a
socket?
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Beware of ROBERT Waters!
Cheers
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Beware of Roger Waters then!
Yeah his lyrics can be quite depressing :lol:
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Well, as you may have noticed, english is not my native language... at least I took the time to try to learn it, while others (mostly english speaking people) do not even bother on learning any other language...
regards,
D.
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That Robert Waters person should be perm banned :O nearly more negative feedback than positive...
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I hate scum like this.
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@Cyberus
Yeah his lyrics can be quite depressing
LOL!
Never knew he was making some extra bucks on Ebay. Not that he needs it.
Coder
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@Thomas:
Well, that's why the feeback mechanism is there, so people can warn others. I myself only order from two kinds of people: those I know I can trust (eg our redrum), or those who have been active for at least a year and haven't had any negatives in the last six or so months. I'd rather take the chance that he is a crook and not buy the thing than having neither the money nor the thing.
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I sympathize completely about this guy. I won 2 auctions of his last month. The last contact I have of Mr. Waters (aka NightOwl computers Memphis TN) was that he recieved payment and that it would be shipped out on 11/7. Its now 20 days later and still no delivery. Im bummed..gave him the benefit of the doubt - wrote him an email last week...still nothing. Now I see this message thread...ARGH.
-Debaser
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I was extremely surprised to find this out about R_waters. I had bought a couple of Amiga mags (and they were in MINT condition). Took over 5 weeks to get a reply from him. He said that he had some personal probs (maybe I showuldn't have just put that in :-? ) and that he would ship out the mags in no time. (This after I had written a VERY stern letter). Sure enough they came, then I bought another 10 mags off him (as DS_Collectibles). No probs at all. Then someone else, within this forum, wrote to me telling me of his problems with R_Waters. And now this?! Oh well, looks like business only with redrum :-) .
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Ebay is indeed not perfect.
Not perfect but very, very good for people who do a little homework. I am a firm supporter of eBay:-)
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@Bodie_c15 & Codesmith
As always thank you for the compliments:-)
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redrumloa wrote:
@Bodie_c15 & Codesmith
As always thank you for the compliments:-)
I'm just being honest. You fall head over heels to provide a great service to those who buy off you. I'm just trying to reciprocate that in a small way here :-) .
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I have bought several items from him over the years and got them as described. THough the most recent one: Arkanoid, took like 45 days to get to me, and he also threw in another disk as the one in there was bad. Good overall not sure what is going on with him, maybe he is having some issues?
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I have been using ebay for some time now and I like it. No major problems to report. You just have to choose who you do business with carefully - read their feedback before bidding. Some people open multiple accounts, buy and sell to build up a reputation and then "Scam City". It's very hard to figure out who is one before its too late. Watch especially on "Big Ticket Items" ie. $$$.
Payments: If in the USA :idea:
Use PayPal for verified sellers only. Why - in a case of fraud, the individual can be directly traced, tracked and arrested. Even a business account has to have someone attached to it. :roll:
Money Orders - fraud via MO can also add additional charges as in "Mail Fraud" to boot. My favorite method of payment. :-D
"dgstudios" from ebay looking at multiple counts of fraud, grand theft etc but "no mail fraud" as he only accepted PayPal ("he was registered") that left an electronic paper trail right to his doorstep. Including everyone he ever did business with. :lol:
Like street smarts ther is ebay smarts but nothing is perfect :-)
PS: ebay has a fraud reporting system but you can also report to the non ebay fraud complaint unit (can't remember the name) you can get in touch with when filing with ebay. They track complaints and add them all together when bringing charges (if Possible) to :evil: individuals.
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Bodie_CI5 wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
@Bodie_c15 & Codesmith
As always thank you for the compliments:-)
I'm just being honest. You fall head over heels to provide a great service to those who buy off you. I'm just trying to reciprocate that in a small way here :-) .
Ditto here.
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Hi, I have brought a lot of Amiga items in Ebay, And payed it with bank tranfer and paypal, never got any problems :). Anyway if you have problem and don´t receive the item that you have borught using PayPal, you can go to your bank and cancel that charge in your credit or debit card. Then You will have problems with PayPal and will need to probe them that The PayPal account is your, or maybe to open a new PayPal account. But your will save your money :).
Remember, only do business with good feedback people :D .
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And always bid on stuff from (catherder) that guy is awesome! :-D
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Dragster wrote:
Well, as you may have noticed, english is not my native language... at least I took the time to try to learn it, while others (mostly english speaking people) do not even bother on learning any other language...
regards,
D.
@ Dragster
Sorry, I wasn't making a joke at your expense. Roger Waters was the main song writer/lyricist in Pink Floyd, and I naturally thought of him, even before you said Roger[/i[ Waters - 'r_waters' made me think of him
P.S. If it makes you feel better, I speak French and Russian and am going to Spain for a few weeks to learn Spanish. You are right about people in English speaking countries - we don't have a reason to learn other languages. Foreign languages happen to be one of my passions.....
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@Cyberus
Doh... heheh.. sorry, I missread your message.. no prob, it's ok.
Roger Waters.. doh! I'll change that.
Regards,
D.
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A little update for those that care. Its been absolute eons but Robert Waters (Night Owl/DsCollectables) has finally come through. I received my auction winnings yesterday via priority mail. No explanation or anything. Oh well..at least I got my stuff. : )
To the other guy that started this thread initially... how did you fair?!!?
-Debaser
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Hi red,
i've nothing against Ebay but my rule n.2 is:
COD . . . .ever :-)
Happy X-mas
Ciao
PS- 15 days ago, i've ordered an item from Vesalia. They have confirmed the order the same day . . . . .not delivered yet (COD)
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Hi avilasan,
Yes I too have had a bad experience on EBay with a person selling various Amiga items.
Email #1:
I am writing to you because I am extremely disappointed not
only by the fact I've had to wait more than 3 weeks for the
following items to arrive:
3056434411
3056434209
3056434344
3056434497
3056853656
But also the fact they were very poorly package and secondly I
feel I've been mislead and cheated of £120 that I paid you in good faith
for items I auctioned on believing they were in immaculate condition as
you stated and they are not.
The Commodore MIPS1270a is scratched, covered in ink stains and has no power
supply so I can't test nor use it.
The Action Replay Amiga mk1 [not mk4] as you stated doesn't work because
several pins on the edge connector are visibly detached from the solder.
Also the Commodore A590 Hard Drive for the A500 is very badly
cosmetically damaged and is missing 2 external screws that mount the HD
in place.
Inside the A590 the internal IDE HD ribbon was not connected correctly to
the HD, the internal IDE ribbon is faulty. [I've test a new cable to prove
it is faulty]
2 data pins on the right side of the HD are bent out due to misuse and the
P10 power supply connector to the HD is faulty altogether causing the unit
to have intermittent power up and data reading faults.
'Swapping out' these cables to get the device to boot I discover that one
of the partitions 'DH1:' won't read, prompting concern for the physical state/
usability of the HD itself. Why was this unit not properly packed knowing
full well it is a fragile product.
The Commodore A1010's external Disk Drive for the A500, you stated was
immaculate, is NOT. It is again very badly scratched along the front and
all across the top left.
What I want to know is 'what are you going to do about this?' Because if
we can not resolve this issue quickly I am taken action and further more
will demand a FULL refund and return ALL the items.
Photographic evidence of all these items was taken as proof of the poor
condition of these item upon arrival to my home address.
Awaiting your urgent reply.
Mr Paul Andrews
Ebay User: Amiskippy
Email #2:
As stated in an e-mail dated 7/11/03, I know absolutely nothing about amigas
so I consulted a friend on the items. The friend assured me that for their
age they were in immaculate condition. If there are scratches on the items,
I must apologies. I obviousley should have inspected the goods as well as
trusted my very knowledgable friend.
If something is immaculate it is free from dirt, stains, impurities and unsoiled
regardless of age. Hence the reason I was prepared to auction on these items and
pay that bit extra.
Summary of faults:
3056853656 - RARE Commodore MPS 1270A - Immaculate [no power supply/clogged ink cartridge, untested and cosmetically damaged. currently being serviced by my friend whose profession is a printer technician]
3056434497 - Amiga A590 20MB Hard Disk + Extras [faulty internal p10 power cable and IDE ribbon. bent HD pins, signs of tamper and missing screws. cosmetically damaged]
3056434411 - Amiga 500 External Disk Drive - Immaclate [works ok. cosmetically damaged]
3056434344 - Amiga 12 - Colour Digitser Video Input [box contained 'faulty disks [write/read errors]' but no device, instead a Rendale 8802 FMC genlock with a broken 23pin RGB connector, so can't test]
3056434209 - Action Replay Cartridge - Amiga - Mark 4 [mk #1, faulty edge connector pins detached from solder, PCB very bad condition]
Basically I've paid you £120 for 5 items that are not what I believed to have auctioned on because
the descriptions you gave were not correct and consequently misleading.
The friend assured me that for their age they were in immaculate condition.
Your friend obviously hasn't tested any of these items, otherwise you'd had known they didn't work.
Please let me know what you would like me to do??
I accept your apologises and can see from feedback you are good ebayer. I genuinely believe you
thought to be auctioning these items in good faith and in working order.
I was an IT Hardware Technician for 7 years and I've specialised in the Amiga since 1990 and even
run my own website [www.amigarealm.com] so I am fully aware of the ins and outs of this computer and
its peripherals.
Although I could repair some of these items, apart from the cosmetic side; I feel it is only fair that
an agreed amount of money be refunded via paypal for the unnecessary inconvenience and disappointment,
as the £120 spent on these items can not be justified by their poor condition.
Paul Andrews.
Email #3:
3056853656 RARE Commodore MPS 1270A - Immaculate £5.50 [shipping £8.00] [being serviced by friend]
3056434497 Amiga A590 20MB Hard Disk + Extras £42.00 [shipping £8.00] [can be repaired]
3056434411 Amiga 500 External Disk Drive - Immaculate £21.00 [shipping £5.00] [works ok]
3056434344 Amiga 12 - Colour Digitser Video Input £10.00 [shipping £6.00] [wrong item]
3056434209 Action Replay Cartridge - Amiga - Mark 4 £9.00 [shipping £3.50] [doesn't work]
Total Goods = £87.50
Total Shipping = £30.50
Total = £118
Total via Paypal = £121 @ 4%
After inspection of goods I'd be prepared to pay = £35
Actual Total Shipping = £9.23 Royal Mail [Difference of £21.27]
New Total = £44.23
Difference = £73.77
Never heard from him again.
Skippy
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A little update for those that care. Its been absolute eons but Robert Waters (Night Owl/DsCollectables) has finally come through.
Wow! Really? I got stung by him early on, like you, before he had any negative feedback. I'm still waiting on my item. Wish this thread would have been around back then. :-P
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I never had a problem with r_waters. I've bought a few things from him over the years. Shame if he's gone bad.
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Maybe R_Waters died... :-(
I never had a problem with r_waters. I've bought a few things from him over the years. Shame if he's gone bad.
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jeffimix wrote:
Maybe R_Waters died... :-(
He didn't die, I've dealt with him recently.. I can only speculate why he's been a poor eBayer lately.. He got me on 7 auctions for memory I was selling.. He begged for me to withdrawl my refund for a final value fee or else eBay was going to yank his account and he offered to at least pay the final value fee. I agreed and he actually paid it(only the final value fee). It looks like that didn't help much because he ended up getting a landslide of other negative feedback and is no longer a registered user. I can only speculate he is having major personal problems. His emails to me were polite and sincere enough... I dunno...
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Well... my last email to him was a good 2 weeks ago and I told him (paraphrase): Look, obviously something is going on with you personally. You've always been a real ebay pro in the past. Just let me know what is going on with my auction and send it out when you can.
Anyhow after several emails..and maybe because I had yet to post negative feedback (simply forgot :-) ) He decided to make good on the deal. But yet still no email or note in box explaining why. I'm assuming he is playing catch-up and is firing out stuff to customers. I gotta tell ya guys..just like red said, he is very professional and easy to talk to usually..very strange.
-Debaser
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well, he is obviously having some problems, so the motto is, buy REALLY small cheap unimportant brick solid items, so that he can't bugger you up that badly, and then i guess you'd also be helping him out by getting his feedback up...
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My name is not Robert Wters, but I did sell a bunch of my Amiga inventory this year, but one sale is still bugging me.
Someone bought my VLab board and paid immediately. I've been trying to reach him via email to no avail so I can deliver it to him.
So I know I'm setting myself up here, but if you know of someone or are that person and can prove it, I still have your card since June.
Just send me proof to ebay@never2funky.com and I'll get it to you. Let me know the price and the ebay item number and I'll get it out.
The address I sent it to sent it back.
I've not sold another item since then because this was hanging over my head.
-Alex
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alex wrote:
My name is not Robert Wters, but I did sell a bunch of my Amiga inventory this year, but one sale is still bugging me.
Someone bought my VLab board and paid immediately. I've been trying to reach him via email to no avail so I can deliver it to him.
So I know I'm setting myself up here, but if you know of someone or are that person and can prove it, I still have your card since June.
Just send me proof to ebay@never2funky.com and I'll get it to you. Let me know the price and the ebay item number and I'll get it out.
The address I sent it to sent it back.
I've not sold another item since then because this was hanging over my head.
-Alex
thats a quite bad situation yourein there Alex :-(
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redrumloa wrote:
He didn't die, I've dealt with him recently.. I can only speculate why he's been a poor eBayer lately.. He got me on 7 auctions for memory I was selling.. He begged for me to withdrawl my refund for a final value fee or else eBay was going to yank his account and he offered to at least pay the final value fee. I agreed and he actually paid it(only the final value fee). It looks like that didn't help much because he ended up getting a landslide of other negative feedback and is no longer a registered user. I can only speculate he is having major personal problems. His emails to me were polite and sincere enough... I dunno...
Did anyone talk to him on the phone and try to find out what his personal problems were?
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Anyone who has done a lot of trades on ebay has been stung at least once. Mine was a 1084 that never got shipped by someone in Washington state going by otter.
As far as Robert Waters goes:
I have bought a ton of stuff from him. That was before my weekly AAA (Amiga Aholics Annon) meetings. My addiction is under control atm. He always shipped in a timely manner and delivered what was pictured. Giving him a call if you are owed some murchandise may be a good idea. Red, if he paid your fees but did purchase, I think you were a bit harsh. BTW would you have 4 32meg simms that will work in a CSMKIII?
Stew
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I don't undersatnd why Ebay haven't acted to ban this user, I mean the negatives are the worst I've ever seen. This guy wants sorting out in more ways than one.
http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewFeedback&userid=ds_collectibles2003&items=200
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I bought a DPS Personal Animation Recorder (PAR)
from r_waters once. He sent me a good working
PAR board all as described, but it did take a
long time to arrive.
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Acill wrote:
On another note watch out for PayPal now too! I will no longer use them after I was ripped off by a buyer.
I sold a T68i GSM phone to a guy in Estonia last week. Before the auction closed he wrote me about 4 times making sure I would ship to him and accept paypal. I said I would if he paid the shipping. He paid me wirh PayPal and as soon as he got the tracking number I got a email from PayPal telling me the payment was fraud. Well I said okay I am protected and should get my money for the phone still.. WRONG!! Estonia is not a PayPal prefered country and they took the money from m. I have since called them and argued the matter showing them the tracking number, they guys address and th fact he got the product. The sad thing is, the same persons name that the card belonged to email me BEFORE the auction. I looked on ebay and this same person scammed others in the same few days he did it to me. Inddistwill is the usename.
I bought a load of Amiga bits on ebay a few weeks back, and when over to they guy's house to collect the bits. Him and his wife invited me in, and I ended up staying there for about an hour, drinking tea and chatting, and while I was there I ended up answering his PC questions - he wanted to know how to attach emails (he needed to forward some he had received to PayPal).
Reason being - someone had bought some phones from him on ebay, paid by PayPal, and luckily for him, his family was out on the Saturday, and so he wasn't able to send the item till the following Monday. Turns out Paypal contacted him on the Sunday telling him that the transaction was fraudulent. Turns out that the addressee was in Estonia, but the original bidder was in America. Anyway, beware scammers, definitely, when selling items worth a lot of money!!!
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I bought an A2000 case from him a while back and had no problems. I think I bought a 1084 and some Newtek disks too. Thats a shame he's flaking out. Like redrumloa said, he used to sell some decent stuff.
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Red, if he paid your fees but did purchase, I think you were a bit harsh.
Harsh? How so? My negative feedback on him? Nononono you are missing the timeline here. He stopped responding to emails and didn't pay after a almost a month. I gave gime 2 final warning emails and the official eBay reminder, no response so I gave negative feedback. Still no response. He didn't respond until almost 10 days later when I was about to claim my eBay final value fee refund. He realised it would be his 3rd strike and eBay would yank his account. This was waaaaaaay after I had given up on him. eBay yanked the account anyhow but it wasn't from me.
BTW would you have 4 32meg simms that will work in a CSMKIII?
More than likely yes. You need some?
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Guess I did miss the time line. I have done over a dozen transactions with him with no problems. They were quite awhile ago however and I am glad I have not dealt with him recently.
Yes I do want 4 32meg simms that will work in a CSMKIII.
Stew