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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: klx300r on July 18, 2010, 03:54:40 AM
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Just bought these (http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1276/amiga3dstickersforcase.jpg) very nice quality case stickers for my Samflex case and keyboard mainly but also to slap onto my monitor and my work notebook too ;-) ..they have many other Amiga logos too
The Ebay store (http://stores.ebay.de/hardware-shuttle) is called Hardware Shuttle and I am very happy with their customer service and quick shipping time..oh and the price is great at $1 each too
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Nice!
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Nice!
Indeed they are! Very tastefully done. Nice find sir.
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Any one that produces unlicensed products has not paid a licensing fee for the items they are selling. This disadvantages the businesses that goto great expense to pay for licensing.
Another example are Ebay sellers that sell Amiga 4GB CF IDE drives (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_78&products_id=883) with unlicensed copied games/AmigaOS pre-installed on them. Legitimate Amiga dealers could not do this but they are being disadvantaged by these individuals (who also dont pay any business taxes).
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Given the state of who owns what with regards Amiga. Even if one were so inclined to try to get licensing, who exactly would you go to for it?
Hyperion owns some of it, A.Inc owns some.
If the latter, well A.Inc doesn't really exist as a company any more.
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In other words if you want a cool amiga product that someone is actually selling, buy it now before the people who own the copyrights, but aren't selling crap, find a way to shut them down.
If it means more cool amiga stuff actually for sale, I hope amiga inc. doesn't exist.
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@KThunder
I understand what you are saying. The more official products available- the better for all of us.
@Leander
A good place to start would be Hyperion
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@Leander
A good place to start would be Hyperion
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Hyperion have the rights to the name AmigaOS, rather than Amiga?
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Thats correct: I believe they can use AmigaOne, AmigaOS and Boing Ball image
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Thats correct: I believe they can use AmigaOne, AmigaOS and Boing Ball image
Hmm. To he honest, the rainbow tick was always my favourite :)
Unfortunately, the Escom era AMIGA text. It burns!
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I also share the pain of missed potential during the years after Commodore :-)
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Thats correct: I believe they can use AmigaOne, AmigaOS and Boing Ball image
However this is as stated the Escom era Amiga name, not AmigaOne or AmigaOS.
Which puts a person in the position of dealing with a non existent company.
As for the Boing Ball image... I'd have to look into that. AFAIK that is still Amiga.inc's.
But regardless. The whole situation is a complete mess from start to finish.
Perhaps given that you've seen some demand and are apparently licensed, you might want to offer a competing "official" range of $1 stickers?
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The Boing Ball needs Hyperion's authority. Hyperion are very much a current company.
Yes I agree, the situation has been fragmented and messy for years.
Even if Amiga Inc are a dormant business entity, their IP is still protected. Although I fully understand that us in the Amiga community have been here for many years through the bad times and supported the true ethos of the Amiga computer and OS (regardless of whom owns the IP).
I dont see any difference between selling, for example, copied Workbench disks and unlicensed Amiga merchandise. But if a link to a person selling copied Workbench disks were posted on Amiga.org, it would be removed immediately.. just another perspective?
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The Boing Ball needs Hyperion's authority.
Without wanting to be difficult, can you point to where this is the case?
I dont see any difference between selling, for example, copied Workbench disks and unlicensed Amiga merchandise. But if a link to a person selling copied Workbench disks were posted on Amiga.org, it would be removed immediately.. just another perspective?
The problem is that Amiga.Inc are a dead company, or if we're being generous, currently not available to contact. So even if Hyperion has the rights for the Boing Ball, using the name AMIGA is still problematic.
Now again, given that you are apparently fully licensed already and that there is a market for $1 sticky labels with the domed transparent rubber finish, what exactly is there to stop you from offering an official, sanctioned product?
It's all well and good bitching about "unlicensed merchandise" and how it effects legit businesses. But if you aren't offering anything that is competing with your product base, it does come across as somewhat hollow. And that sir, is the difference between this and a set of workbench disks that you do stock.
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If we spend the time to set up the licensing and pay the royalty fee for stickers, that would have to be factored into the final selling price. If we sold at the same rate at other unlicensed sellers, we would have greater costs to market. Would this be fair?
Here is the link:
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134:hyperion-entertainment-cvba-and-amiga-inc-reach-settlement&catid=38:corporate&Itemid=18
Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark “AmigaOS” (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the “BoingBall” logo).
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If we spend the time to set up the licensing and pay the royalty fee for stickers, that would have to be factored into the final selling price. If we sold at the same rate at other unlicensed sellers, we would have greater costs to market. Would this be fair?
I didn't say it would be fair. What I said was it came off as hollow that you (or, afaik anyone else with a licence) have nothing that this competes with it. If you're not offering a similar product, what exactly is the issue?
There is clearly a market for these sorts of things. Why not make a legitimate offering? I suspect that the market could take the entry of a sticker that cost a few pence more that had the official stamp of approval, especially when it comes from a known good supplier, such as yourself.
Here is the link:
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134:hyperion-entertainment-cvba-and-amiga-inc-reach-settlement&catid=38:corporate&Itemid=18
Thanks for the clarification.
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Its a good suggestion, we will look into it.
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Just bought these (http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1276/amiga3dstickersforcase.jpg) very nice quality case stickers for my Samflex case and keyboard mainly but also to slap onto my monitor and my work notebook too ;-) ..they have many other Amiga logos too
The Ebay store (http://stores.ebay.de/hardware-shuttle) is called Hardware Shuttle and I am very happy with their customer service and quick shipping time..oh and the price is great at $1 each too
Old news ;)
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Just bought these (http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1276/amiga3dstickersforcase.jpg) very nice quality case stickers for my Samflex case and keyboard mainly but also to slap onto my monitor and my work notebook too ;-) ..they have many other Amiga logos too
The Ebay store (http://stores.ebay.de/hardware-shuttle) is called Hardware Shuttle and I am very happy with their customer service and quick shipping time..oh and the price is great at $1 each too
this the shop i bought my case badge from very well made and very professional. i got the boing ball which has flames coming from the back of it with a black background looks very nice on my case.
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Is there any definition to what constitutes "the BoingBall logo"?
I ask since I've seen multiple variants with different number of rows etc. even from Amiga Inc. and Hyperion.
Anyways, trademarks need to be defended legally by the trademark holder.
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Even if Amiga Inc are a dormant business entity, their IP is still protected.
That depends on the IP in question, there are different laws and regulations for patents, copyrights, trademarks, slogans etc.
Btw. it seems to me that "AmigaOS" is not registered as a trademark at USPTO, and I don't find any "Boing Ball" either... hm?
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A quick search will reveal this:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4008:fio9qg.3.1
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:bd746g.2.1
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A quick search will reveal this:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4008:fio9qg.3.1
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4004:bd746g.2.1
Those links come up as with the following:
This search session has expired. Please start a search session again by clicking on the TRADEMARK icon, if you wish to continue.
But again, Kolla's point about what exactly constitutes a "boingball" is quite important.
Also, wouldn't the person who wrote the original Juggler demo (from which the boing ball logo is derived) have some say in this?
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Search for Serial Numbers:
78940417 and 78940434
The color(s) red and white is/are claimed as a feature of the mark. The mark consists of the design of a checkered ball. The mark consists of a ball logo, in which the color red appears in the checkered design within the ball design of the mark, and the color white appears in the checkered design within the ball design of the mark.
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Also, wouldn't the person who wrote the original Juggler demo (from which the boing ball logo is derived) have some say in this?
Didn't the checkered red & white "bouncing ball" demo pre-date that? I even remember a C64 version of it coming out.
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Also, wouldn't the person who wrote the original Juggler demo (from which the boing ball logo is derived) have some say in this?
uhhh... the boing ball predates the juggler demo... being based on the original boing demo from the days of the wire wrapped prototype.
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Here is the link:
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134:hyperion-entertainment-cvba-and-amiga-inc-reach-settlement&catid=38:corporate&Itemid=18
An anal type... like a lawyer... ;-) could argue that that agreement only gives Hyperion the exclusive right to the "AmigaOS" trademark. While letting them use the boing ball logo and other trademarks, those would still be under control of AI...