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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ElPolloDiabl on July 14, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
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I downloaded 3 different copies of Kubuntu 10.04 all of them froze and crashed the monitor while installing. Knowing that Ubuntu 9.10 had worked on the computer, I searched around and got the Kubuntu 9.10.
It was a breeze to install, only the partitioning was delicate, making sure I didn't select the button that formats the 'whole' drive.
Boy it is fast, boot time in 25 seconds and the KDE desktop is snappy and has the buttons in familiar places as opposed to that pig called "Gnome".
It has a Windows 95/98 Amiga OS3.9 feel to it. If you haven't liked Linux yet give Kubuntu a try.
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KDE 3.5 was nice. KDE 4 is an abomination.
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KDE 3.5 was nice. KDE 4 is an abomination.
KDE 4 IS an absolute dog, It brought my distro test box to it knees when installed the latest slackware a few weeks ago and didn't change the default WM, Its not exactly state of the art (dual 2.4 Xeon, 2 gig of memory and a radeon 9600pro) but usually performs fine.
Gaz
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Im a Gnome kinda guy mostly. Installing Lucid Lynx and watching it boot up was pretty amazing. Installed quick, boots in 15 seconds or so, shuts down in 3
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KDE is worthless.
Use GNOME or XFCE. Succeed!
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Gnome fanboi checking in.
I openly admit that I haven't tried KDE in five years, though...
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Every time I try using KDE it's a mess, stuff annoys me, and I want to punch the screen.
and starting everything with a K really pisses me off.
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Every time I try using KDE it's a mess, stuff annoys me, and I want to punch the screen.
and starting everything with a K really pisses me off.
I have a soft spot for kdevelop though. Although there are better IDE's out there, it's just one of those applications I've gotten used to.
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KDE is worthless.
Use GNOME or XFCE. Succeed!
Those are my preferred desktops. I didn't like gnome originally, but like something you should get biopsied, it has grown on me.
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KDE acts like Windows. Ergo, it's a piece of shit.
I could stand KDE 3.x, 4 is just a joke.
Try LXDE or XFCE.
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Someone should license AmigaDOS and make an X Window manager which is as simple, elegant, intuitive, and resource-thrifty as AmigaDOS on (free)Unix. If it can be usable on a 7 MHz m68000, then it's doing something right. If a 2 GHz+ machine with hundreds of megabytes per second of throughput to a video card can't keep up with a human, something is horribly wrong. This is why I won't ever use KDE or Gnome again unless I hear something has significantly changed - they are not intuitive, they are messy, and I don't feel like wasting my cycles, both in my computers and of my own time.
All of my GUIs these days are Mac OS X. It's certainly not perfect, but at least it does what it's supposed to do in a meaningful and understandable way.
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KDE acts like Windows. Ergo, it's a piece of shit.
I could stand KDE 3.x, 4 is just a joke.
Try LXDE or XFCE.
no it doesnt.
It acts like Windows with downs.
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Someone should license AmigaDOS and make an X Window manager which is as simple, elegant, intuitive, and resource-thrifty as AmigaDOS on (free)Unix. If it can be usable on a 7 MHz m68000, then it's doing something right.
Bindun since mid '90's http://xwinman.org/amiwm.php (http://xwinman.org/amiwm.php)
screenshot (http://xwinman.org/screenshots/amiwm-mka.gif)
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I think I'll keep to Enlightenment as far as desktops go for linux.
Elive 2.0 is ok, though not nearly as good as I was hoping for. Using Lenny as a base is a bit pants imho. Especially if you want to do anything with IM's. `
I may well try out the E17 variant of PClinuxOS next.
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I think I'll keep to Enlightenment as far as desktops go for linux.
Elive 2.0 is ok, though not nearly as good as I was hoping for. Using Lenny as a base is a bit pants imho. Especially if you want to do anything with IM's. `
I may well try out the E17 variant of PClinuxOS next.
I tried it, was not keen. But that's the beauty of linux, I guess; choice!
I might give AmiWM a try actually. It has screen dragging to reveal the various desktop workspaces :lol:
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I tried it, was not keen. But that's the beauty of linux, I guess; choice!
What, E17, Elive, PCLinuxOS?
I might give AmiWM a try actually. It has screen dragging to reveal the various desktop workspaces :lol:
:lol:
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^ No, just enlightenment.
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There should be a warning label on Linux
... and what would you propose for Windoze? ... perhaps, a warning billboard?
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... and what would you propose for Windoze? ... perhaps, a warning billboard?
it would say
WARNING: BRAIN REQUIRED TO OPERATE.
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Kde used to be okay, but in my view it was always alot more resource hungry than I think a window manager should be... I just checked out the new 4.0 a bit ago...now its a complete and total piece of shit.
Gnome is okay but a resource hog... I use xfce. Its light, super fast and snappy and does anything kde or gnome do, just faster and with less resources.
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I like Lenny GNOME but I love AmigaOS:cool:
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I recently picked up a powermac 400mhz for $10 and it took some time to find the right download but lucid lynx is running good on it. Vista(I propose Total Deletion) was crapping out on me so I put it on my laptop and I'm a lot happier with it so far. but xamiga is my goal on the powermac I just have to learn more about linux or get better suggestions than xamiga.
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powermac 400mhz
xamiga is my goal on the powermac I just have to learn more about linux or get better suggestions than xamiga.
400MHz PowerPC is way too slow for usable amiga emulation (there is no powerpc UAE JIT).
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400MHz PowerPC is way too slow for usable amiga emulation (there is no powerpc UAE JIT).
Being that I am rather new to this. what makes it to slow. everthing else is faster? no graphics chipset? the processor is faster than classic amigas right. I wouldn't know about board speeds though.
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Well i think the standard ubuntu 10.04 LTS is pretty good. Not tried any otyher version of ubuntu to be honest just stuck with stock distros and found its got better and better over time.
Currently got 10.04 and Win7 on mt laptop. Must say Win7 is easily fastest win OS I used on anyhting. Even faster than XP.
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what makes it to slow?
Lack of JIT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation) for PowerPC UAE. Also the amiga chipset emulation is very demanding, and slow systems will struggle with that.
everthing else is faster? no graphics chipset?
Pardon?
the processor is faster than classic amigas right.
It is, but emulating an amiga is a heavy task, and it's all CPU bound. Without JIT to boost the processor emulation performance 400MHz PowerMac will be just unbearably slow.
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and starting everything with a K really pisses me off.
I suppose I could modify the kernel in my sig later...nah I'm too lazy.
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My Win7 computer boots faster. :) I gave up on Linux. It reminded me too much of the days of Win95 and Win98--it's a GUI that runs atop DOS. The only Unix I would have is HP UX, but that's pricey.
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My Win7 computer boots faster. :) I gave up on Linux. It reminded me too much of the days of Win95 and Win98--it's a GUI that runs atop DOS. The only Unix I would have is HP UX, but that's pricey.
Solaris kinda-fanboi reporting in. I dabbled in Linux in my earlier days. Did some VAX/VMS. Got thrown to Solaris around 2.4 and have not looked back since. I rather enjoy it, though its future is a little hazy under Oracle. Back when Solaris 8 was still the big thing, and Solaris 9 dropped x86 support (no, wait, we were only joking,) Sun released Gnome and KDE packages. I installed both and far preferred Gnome over KDE. Anything over the CDE built in, even with its nostalgia value.
I had been exclusively command line in Solaris 10, though I did a recent VirtualBox installation of 10 with the Gnome desktop. Still seems pretty sharp to me.
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I was on Vista for awhile but it kept taking up chunks of memory and eventually requiring a reboot. It was an OEM version so maybe it wasn't as good as the retail. The feedback on Windows 7 has got me interested, but I'm not forking out 200 bucks for it.
I dumped Kubuntu, it was too buggy and I will go back to Ubuntu, that is very stable.
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Solaris kinda-fanboi reporting in. I dabbled in Linux in my earlier days. Did some VAX/VMS. Got thrown to Solaris around 2.4 and have not looked back since. I rather enjoy it, though its future is a little hazy under Oracle. Back when Solaris 8 was still the big thing, and Solaris 9 dropped x86 support (no, wait, we were only joking,) Sun released Gnome and KDE packages. I installed both and far preferred Gnome over KDE. Anything over the CDE built in, even with its nostalgia value.
I had been exclusively command line in Solaris 10, though I did a recent VirtualBox installation of 10 with the Gnome desktop. Still seems pretty sharp to me.
I had Solaris x86 installed years back. The x86 version had not been out very long, and it took an effort to get it running. I eventually abandoned Solaris x86 for BeOS. Not the same class, but I liked BeOS. Then Be went under; pitty.
I used OpenSuse Linux for quite some after BeOS and after abandoning Fedora. I still prefer OpenSuse more than other Linux distros. A company I worked for used OpenSuse in production for data processing. It ran alongside AIX and HP UX. Cheaper, too.
I thought about giving OpenSolaris a try, but I haven't yet. Recently bought a used Mac mini with Apple Unix, so now we are giving it a test drive. My "Apple honeymoon" is over since I discovered it doesn't multitask as well as I expected. I was ripping one of my music CDs and the multitasking slowed down more than I expected.
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KDE 3.5 was fine. KDE 4 is not.
I use Ubuntu 9.04. I heard too many bad things about the 10.04 LTS version, so I'm sticking with 9.04 for as long as they support it.
I recently realised my xD-card reader doesn't work. But everything else does, which is half the battle with Linux.
It does some funny things-like wiping menu.1st after a kernel update from the official repo, even when I select it not to touch menu.1st. It boots and shuts down as fast as Win 7 ( I dual boot).
Not sure if its gnome or the linux task scheduler or the fact that the GUI is just dressing on top of the command line she, but the GUI does have an annoying "stickyness" and "delay" about it.
It serves its purpose as a comms and media viewing OS, and video encoding machine. Nothing fun about using it though.
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Someone should license AmigaDOS and make an X Window manager which is as simple, elegant, intuitive, and resource-thrifty as AmigaDOS on (free)Unix. ....
It was my perception that thats exactly what Jim Collas had in mind all those years ago.
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I had Solaris x86 installed years back. The x86 version had not been out very long, and it took an effort to get it running.
My biggest gripe about Solaris is that officially supported hardware in the HCL is all old and mostly discontinued -- especially RAID controllers. Now, there are a number of unofficially supported devices in the list.
I understand OpenSolaris is pretty good, especially in terms of hardware support. I am going to look into it. My primary server is about eight years old running Solaris 8 x86 and it is past time for a replacement. I would love to build a multi-proc/core system with a good SATA RAID controller to run a number of zones. I figure either Solaris or OpenSolaris will do the trick.