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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: MrZammler on November 26, 2003, 03:00:53 PM
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Does anyone know where I can find a 68060 chip?
Thanks
Edit: what about those people: http://www.vernalelm.com
Anyone had any experience with them?
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I think we can count the 68060 as pretty much a dead end in terms of sourceing new/ SH parts...
I would suggest you look into Oli's Coldfire boards, I'm sure they will be at least as fast as the 060 if he gets them working.
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@bloodline
Motorola still makes the 68060, in fact it is one of the highest-selling chips in Mot's lineup. Speeds availible at up to 120Mhz if they've met their roadmap.
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downix wrote:
@bloodline
Motorola still makes the 68060, in fact it is one of the highest-selling chips in Mot's lineup. Speeds availible at up to 120Mhz if they've met their roadmap.
Well knock me down with a fether... String me up like a chicken and use me as a humourous novalty umbrella stand....
I didn't know that... they must be really cheap now.
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@downix
Cool, now, how can one get his hands on one of these beauties?
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I'd be interested too.
Specially in an MC68060RC60A :-o :-o :-o or was that 66??
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@Bloodline
. . .yes cheap if you want to buy 1000 pcs.
If you need 1 pcs, you must buy it from Amiga.fr for 186 EUR :-( HERE (http://www.amiga.fr/spare.html)
Ciao
PS- the ones of vernalelm company at 85 USD are crap.
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Framiga wrote:
@Bloodline
. . .yes cheap if you want to buy 1000 pcs.
If you need 1 pcs, you must buy it from Amiga.fr for 185 EUR :-(
Ciao
PS- the ones of those company at 85 USD are crap.
Might work out cheaper to go th Coldfire route....
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Hi Blodline
in the last months, i've done a lot of searches about the 68060 CPUs, because one of the previous BS of Dellert, was that they can't complete the new CSPPC, due the 68060 CPU lacks.
Then in the last few weeks, he has changed the exscuses to those "custom CPU socket".
I'm courious to know, the next :-) . . .sad person!!!
Ciao
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An 060 at 120mhz ???!! With FPU? That would be fast, the 060 is CISC and does the equivalent of various RISC instructions in one cicle, at least I'm told, in general.
A board with one of those would be very cooll.
But I bet it didn't happen.
I'm gonna check Mot. site....
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hello Framiga,
I have news... a package arrived to the post office near home, I haven't had time to go and pick ip ut but it seems it's my blizzardppc (unrepaired) from DCE... I'll let you know when i get it this saturday,
regards
Dragster
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@Downix
No way! Still 66mhz only with FPU.
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@Downix:
They do make the 68060, sure, but one of the highest-selling chips? Not really. Motorola haven't had a roadmap for the original 68k line in absolutely years. They certainly did not specify at any time (other than wild conjecture) that it would go higher, and concentrated on the Coldfire V4 instead.
Top speed on a 68060 is 75MHz, is staying there since the product reached maturity a long time ago, and that is very, very expensive if you have the FPU-enabled version (if it even exists - their product line-ups are slightly misleading)
Just for everybody's reference..
A V5 Coldfire ($23 in 1000s) is twice as fast (literally, not in MHz) and 4 times less expensive..
An EC model 68060 running at 50MHz is $83 in 1000s.
$178 or $220 for the 66/75MHz versions..
Add upwards of $150 for an FPU and MMU..
And remember, that's in QUANTITIES OF 1000!
If you want to buy one, there are plenty of resellers who will sell you a 50MHz 68060 chip, in single quantities, for around $200 or so at the very most.
=Neko=
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Yep! Motorola runs a batch or two of those whenever people run out of spareparts.
It's a nice CPU, but it's old, and no longer developed.
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@Neko
Are you sure? I do recall an 80Mhz model being out a few years ago.
But I don't keep up with 68k CPU's because there really is little point. As you point out, the Coldfire is cheaper and faster for 68k apps, and the PowerPC is much faster in the same price range.
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Are you sure? I do recall an 80Mhz model being out a few years ago.
You can find them up to 75MHz on the Motorola web site, but you have to search for 68060 to find any info.
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Hello everyone
I had to stop lurking to warn you not to make a big mistake. Nobody should ever buy at vernalelm.com again.
They claim that they sell the full 060 and I ordered one for my csppc. It took 2 month or so and it didnt arrive, I had to write 2 or 3 emails until they sent me the cpu. Ok, I live in germany so it should take a bit but not that long. And as I opened the package I saw that it was the EC060! Although they claim to sell only the "full version"! I think another user on amiga.org had similar problems with them, so I wouldnt recommend vernalelm.com to anyone at all.
Sorry that my first post here sounds a bit rude, but i was very angry about these frauds because I spent all my money on the csppc and the 060.
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Did you try it out? Put it in your 060 accelerator and run WhichAmiga system info report program and see if it reports a working MMU (find it on Aminet). If it does, it probably means that vernalelm.com may be selling EC labeled full 060.
Just an idea, and not a fact by all means. Let us know what happens.
I think I have a spare RC full 060 chip, however not sure if it works or not, if anyone needs it. :-)
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@rayt:
If your 060 is an old one, made out of mask 01F43G (you can find the mask-numer in the upper right corner), then it should be a full 68060 with MMU and FPU even if it is printed EC on the processor. This is because in the beginning Motorola had only one mask for the 68060 and made all their chips out of it, just badged them differently.
/Patrik
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@rayt
a friend of mine bought one and although it stated that it was an "EC" version, inside there was MMU and FPU.
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Oh, I didnt know that there were full 060s with a wrong label on it. I didnt have a chance to try it out because my csppc I bought from ebay without 060 processor didnt work. I thought this could be because of the EC060 so I replaced it with a "real" 060 but it didnt work either. So I sold the EC060 on ebay (maybe the buyer is a lucky guy now) and sent the ppc card to hyperion for repair. If these EC060 was a "real" one, i withdraw what I said about vernalelm.com of course.
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We'll never know, I guess... :whack:
;-)
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Check these documents regarding 060 masks out:
Info about the 1F43G, 1G65V, 2G59Y and 0E41J masks (http://www.czuba-tech.com/ct60/060_mask40.pdf)
Info about the E41J mask (http://www.czuba-tech.com/ct60/mc_status.html)
You can also find more mask information in the Motorola 68060 documentation (http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MC68060&nodeId=03C1TRrpxN18844622#documentation) under "Product Change Notices".
/Patrik
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@Downix
Motorola has NEVER made a 68060 faster than the
cut-down 75mhz model (for commercial sales
anyhow).
They make full versions at 50 and 60mhz, reduced
versions at 66 and 75mhz. I doubt they will ever
produce anything else 68060 related at this point
(aside from what's already).
The latest (1999) mask revision of the full (50/60mhz)
version is reported to be stable at an OVERCLOCKED
speed of 100mhz.
The cheapest price I could find for one of the above
was over 300.00 USD new (for a single unit).