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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: redrumloa on June 19, 2010, 02:34:58 PM
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I just saw this at AWN.
http://www.sguidetti.net/photogallery/?album=4&gallery=16
Looks like the X1000 is there and set up, but I don't see any pics of it running. Anyone?
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I just saw this at AWN.
http://www.sguidetti.net/photogallery/?album=4&gallery=16
Looks like the X1000 is there and set up, but I don't see any pics of it running. Anyone?
I think on the second picture, Trevor and Ben are starting it up. At least they are looking at something on the screen.
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I think on the second picture, Trevor and Ben are starting it up. At least they are looking at something on the screen.
USB ports blocked by the Case Fan ??
Baffled !
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Ugh those boards are unnecessarily big, cases are honkin big. It's funny cause there looks to be large swaths of space between few components on the X 1000. Maybe this is cheaper somehow? And why are the PCI buses so far apart.? Something is just, weird about what's being manufactured here.
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What I'm waiting to hear is the retail price and what CPU it's using. I think those two (and release date) are the only things missing on the A1X1K.
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@TheGoose,
Yeah, know what you mean - surely it'd take electrons light-years just to travel from one side of that MB to another? :-)
If that is an X1000, then why, oh why, not make it mini or micro-ATX and make a case to suit?
Bigger is not better...
Perhaps they're trying to justify the hefty $$$ price-tag by giving the buyers a lot more metal and glass than is actually needed?
Mike.
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USB ports blocked by the Case Fan ??
Baffled !
If you look carefully, it is only an illusion that the USB ports are blocked. They are farther back than the edge of the fan.
Ugh those boards are unnecessarily big, cases are honkin big. It's funny cause there looks to be large swaths of space between few components on the X 1000. Maybe this is cheaper somehow? And why are the PCI buses so far apart.? Something is just, weird about what's being manufactured here.
The PCI slots appear to use the standard spacing. See the short connectors between the long ones.
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Okay I'm a little bit excited again. But Xmas and nearly $3,000 AU. Maybe Santa will come to the party. I promise to be good.
I's a nice pwr supply..
Gertsy
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USB ports blocked by the Case Fan ??
Baffled !
Dont be, just add some depth perception. :)
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Just got back from VCF yes it was running and I have pics and video, just need to work out bluetooth. They also had the sam 460 running and AmigaOne A-eon branded keyboards with boing balls instead of windows keys. They sold out really fast :P The place was packed full of people including press from magazines. The only downer was that Trevor Dick had no mic and he had lost his voice so nobody could here anything. Other then that it was fantastic.
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Dont be, just add some depth perception. :)
Ah....I see from a previous shot its above.
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Pictures of the tent
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9056/p1906101627.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/2550/p190610162701.jpg
After the A1000x launch
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2180/p1906101349.jpg
New Amiga branded keyboard
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/693/p190610182802.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8056/p190610182903.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3068/p190610182901.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3315/p1906101830.jpg
Videos to come as soon as I have uploaded I have a video of it running
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video of it running http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpbepD9VbY
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Another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6S4_ljh-lU
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cool
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Wow, it does exist! And to think I was going to risk moderator censure yesterday by ridiculing the lack of real sightings.
Are there any credible videos of current Natami hardware running?
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Are there any credible videos of current Natami hardware running?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rydE7wa_5d0
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general overview of the amiga section of the show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klgVSWKs4kE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxpbepD9VbY
Quake 3 running at 4 fps.. What kind of gfx card was it running on? And in VESA mode, or what?
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Quake 3 running at 4 fps.. What kind of gfx card was it running on? And in VESA mode, or what?
Yea, that's pathetic isn't it? Also, notice how slow the desktop is. You can see the icons painting. What a dog.
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Someone once said "you can only make first impression once".
To me it appears that Aeon painted themselves in a corner: The event was so hyped and drummed up that they had to show something running, regardless of the state. I think it didn't do them any favors.
Combine that with the rather unprofessional presentation (no PA system, hello?), vague answers ("north of £1500", "likely before christmas"), demoing the system without the component that was largely driving the marketing (no xena chip was present), breaking the earlier promises (being available during summer, that was the suggestion as everyone understood it) and still not revealing the CPU and you have a disaster.
Being unprepared for the presentation is just inexcusable ("I only found out 10 mins before we were down to give one. It was all very last minute, although I found out later that it was in the actual Event programme"). Being "surprised" by the interest is as bad. The whole event was drummed for months, and then you're surprised by the attendance? ("The Amiga "tent"was always busy, especially around the A-EON/Hyperion/ACube area, the suddenly the tent seemed to fill up and it seemed that 100's of people crowded around the A-EON area."). This is plain unprofessional.
No doubt there will be those who will get it regardless, but forget attracting anyone else outside of the very hardcore community.
Considering this all I very much doubt if the company will survive in the long run.
Update: Now that I think about it, the whole thing appears a huge déjà vu: Original AmigaOne and Eyetech. It saddens me that little has been learnt from the earlier mistakes.
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@Piru
To me it appears alot more profesional than other certain developers that seem to devote way to much of their time trawling through every piece of OS4 related news spreading fud and crap.
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so Im psyched its for real. But er.. did they forget to put half the ram in there or something ?
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Yea, that's pathetic isn't it? Also, notice how slow the desktop is. You can see the icons painting. What a dog.
If you actually bothered to look at the pictures you would discover that it was hooked up with a standard PCI card.
I would also assume that drivers are not really optimized yet.
Hyperion/A-Eon also stated that parts of the OS was still running in debug mode since port is quite a bit from being finished yet.
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@Piru
To me it appears alot more profesional than other certain developers that seem to devote way to much of their time trawling through every piece of OS4 related news spreading fud and crap.
Good it is not just me here who have that feeling. I am getting sick and tired of people in other camps posting in OS4.x related threads just to piss all over it.
I have yet to see people in the so called "red camp" do the same. I wish we could just get over this damn blue, red and aros camps.
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New Amiga branded keyboard
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/693/p190610182802.jpg
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8056/p190610182903.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3068/p190610182901.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3315/p1906101830.jpg
Bargain pc keyboards with some stickers on the windows keys?
aeons turn to squeeze the amiga legend.
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To me its a joke. Hey we'll have this new system out by the end of summer. Dude, its almost July. thats what 8 or 10 weeks till end of summer... They don't even know what the keyboard and mouse look like yet, except its made with stickers...they have yet to show a finished computer with mouse and keyboard. 8 or 10 weeks from the date this thing is supposed to ship and no one even knows what the processor is, thats bunk.
Showing a computer but then not even answering the most basic questions (What is the cpu?) is ridiculous.
I'll stick to AROS, and soon, what i feel may be the best option lately... MorphOS. Emac here I come... Maybe the amiga curse is only in effect if your using that name. Aros dropped amiga from their name, and morph dosn't use the name directly, both are doing better than anything with the name amiga in it at the moment in my opinion.
Steven
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Good it is not just me here who have that feeling. I am getting sick and tired of people in other camps posting in OS4.x related threads just to piss all over it.
I have yet to see people in the so called "red camp" do the same. I wish we could just get over this damn blue, red and aros camps.
If I may play devil's advocate for a second? * If you are speaking about Piru and other MorphOS users / developers, should they not have an opinion and be able to voice it? If no TOS are broken and not mean spirited, what is the harm? Granted some other people go to far and fall into the trolling category, but I see that on both sides.
* I just bought an eMac last week to use MorphOS 2.5, so I expect some to complain I am blue camp biased if history is repeating itself. In the past when I was accused of being a Genesi employee simply because I purchased, with real (not monopoly) money, a Pegasos I April II. Actually that accusation started from employees of a certain company starting in H on the red side. I had a good laugh and that all is history.
I am a fanboy in 2010, but of my 128T only. MorphOS, OS4 and AROS are all 2nd fiddle to the power and majesty of my 128T ;)
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Another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6S4_ljh-lU
Holy Sh!t! Did that guy actually just say "state of the art technology at a price everyone could afford"???!???? :laughing: W-T-F!!!!!!
What ever that guy is smoking, I want some, 'cos I've always wanted to try out delusions of grandeur........
I'm really starting to think that Hyperion and Co are under the impression they're the "blue" camp. :roflmao:
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Holy Sh!t! Did that guy actually just say "state of the art technology at a price everyone could afford"???!???? :laughing: W-T-F!!!!!!
What ever that guy is smoking, I want some, 'cos I've always wanted to try out delusions of grandeur........
I'm really starting to think that Hyperion and Co are under the impression they're the "blue" camp. :roflmao:
The audio is from a 1980's something Amiga video. It's not from this show.
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The audio is from a 1980's something Amiga video. It's not from this show.
Oh, good grief.....I really need to talk to these people about marketing........ :(
Oh wait, I did and everyone thought lawsuits were more in their own interests. :roflmao:
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Ugh those boards are unnecessarily big, cases are honkin big. It's funny cause there looks to be large swaths of space between few components on the X 1000. Maybe this is cheaper somehow? And why are the PCI buses so far apart.? Something is just, weird about what's being manufactured here.
That is a really good question. I suppose its good for cooling the PCI cards.
Seriously though. Who wants such a large computer?
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That is a really good question. I suppose its good for cooling the PCI cards.
Seriously though. Who wants such a large computer?
Mine is bigger than yours.
:)
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If I may play devil's advocate for a second? * If you are speaking about Piru and other MorphOS users / developers, should they not have an opinion and be able to voice it? If no TOS are broken and not mean spirited, what is the harm? Granted some other people go to far and fall into the trolling category, but I see that on both sides.
* I just bought an eMac last week to use MorphOS 2.5, so I expect some to complain I am blue camp biased if history is repeating itself. In the past when I was accused of being a Genesi employee simply because I purchased, with real (not monopoly) money, a Pegasos I April II. Actually that accusation started from employees of a certain company starting in H on the red side. I had a good laugh and that all is history.
I am a fanboy in 2010, but of my 128T only. MorphOS, OS4 and AROS are all 2nd fiddle to the power and majesty of my 128T ;)
Huh? I did not point any fingers or mention any names.
I am talking about comments that are "mean spirited". There are some people who post in such threads to bash or spread fud no matter what.
I really find it weird how it is always the same names that keep posting shit whenever there is a news article or thread about OS4.x or the hardware.
I myself would not mind a MOS system if i could get a hold of a cheap imac/emac either, but that dosent mean i would be a blue troll. There are however clearly more "trolls" on the blue side these days.
And it definitely harms the platform and community when every news item and thread is filled with this crap.
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Oh, good grief.....I really need to talk to these people about marketing........ :(
Oh wait, I did and everyone thought lawsuits were more in their own interests. :roflmao:
Who is these people?? I guess you dont realize that this video was filmed by one of the amiga fans that visited the show? It is not hyperion/a-eon's fault that someone decided to use the soundtrack from some 80s or early 90s commericial.
And it is still better promotion than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6uh1Q_D_XU
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Who is these people?? I guess you dont realize that this video was filmed by one of the amiga fans that visited the show? It is not hyperion/a-eon's fault that someone decided to use the soundtrack from some 80s or early 90s commericial.
And it is still better promotion than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6uh1Q_D_XU
Or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLbwlFVu88M&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rydE7wa_5d0
Interesting Natami generated footage, but all that could have been done with a fast Amiga.
I guess I'm going to have to wait to see Native applications on both the X1000 and the Natami before I can really judge either.
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@Iggy
Oh, we thought you meant the McBill video for a minute. He could have been just CGI!
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@Iggy
Oh, we thought you meant the McBill video for a minute. He could have been just CGI!
You know, until I'm actually allowed to examine the hardware myself, I'm still not going to take videos at face value. Can any of us prove that this stuff isn't being generated by something else.
Remember the history of the Amiga. I don't think the Lorraine team let anyone look closely at their initial prototype hardware either.
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Does anyone know what the black cube is next to the A1X1000?
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Huh? I did not point any fingers or mention any names.
I am talking about comments that are "mean spirited". There are some people who post in such threads to bash or spread fud no matter what.
I really find it weird how it is always the same names that keep posting shit whenever there is a news article or thread about OS4.x or the hardware.
And it definitely harms the platform and community when every news item and thread is filled with this crap.
That's their form of marketing since year 2000. The people, who are still in the Amiga community are used to them. It only harms the outsiders, that they never look again. So - no chance for expansion.
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Here is why we need a modern successful Amiga and new Indy game/software developers.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/199322/fear_and_loathing_at_e3_microsoft_nintendo_sony.html
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@Piru
To me it appears alot more profesional than other certain developers that seem to devote way to much of their time trawling through every piece of OS4 related news spreading fud and crap.
You wish to refute any of my points, or just post baseless accusations? If you have anything constructive to say, I'm all ears.
How I spend my spare time is my business. Don't worry, MorphOS is advancing very well and will likely soon support even more affordable Mac hardware.
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You wish to refute any of my points, or just post baseless accusations? If you have anything constructive to say, I'm all ears.
How I spend my spare time is my business. Don't worry, MorphOS is advancing very well and will likely soon support even more affordable Mac hardware.
Go on. I am waiting for the time when there will be a reason to install MorphOS on my PowerBook G4. But to install it, the OS have to be better than MacOS X Tiger, or else, why bother?
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Here is why we need a modern successful Amiga and new Indy game/software developers.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/199322/fear_and_loathing_at_e3_microsoft_nintendo_sony.html
A few select companies aside, the gaming industry has approximately 9 ideas between them, and they keep stuffing crap on top of those 9 ideas.
Part of the problem is that a "big" title requires a massive budget with crazy ass 3D graphics, meaning nobody wants to take a chance on it (especially when even a massively acclaimed title will only sell in the 2-300 thousand range due to piracy) and they keep pushing out drivel.
If you want to see original and interesting games.. you are totally correct.. go to the indie game developers.
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@ drHirudo
Better is a very relative term.
Fortunately, MorphOS is available as a demo version so anybody who is interested can test it free of cost and see if it fits someone's personal needs and preferences.
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Go on. I am waiting for the time when there will be a reason to install MorphOS on my PowerBook G4. But to install it, the OS have to be better than MacOS X Tiger, or else, why bother?
You can always have a dual boot setup, then you can keep using mostly Mac OS X Tiger if you wish. You don't even have to pay anything if you just wish to play around with MorphOS 30 minutes at a time. That's already enough of a reason to install it, just to see what MorphOS can do.
PS. MorphOS is blazingly fast on the PowerBook G4.
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Does anyone know what the black cube is next to the A1X1000?
take a look at post #95 from TrvorDick over AW.net (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31869&forum=33&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0)
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North of 1500 pounds? Seriously?
I must say I have an interest in Amiga, remember them when I was younger yet didn't own one, four years ago bought a pile of them (1200, 600, 500 x 3) and enjoyed them for probably a year and then sold them, though I must say I was interested in this new computer. At 1500 pounds though (minimum) that is huge.
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the thread on aw.net has some other comments from one of the involved people as well, mentioning that price isn't set in stone, as they are still trying to find where they can save some money.
But then, they are doing the 460 as well, so its not like this is the only amiga ever
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Huh? I did not point any fingers or mention any names.
I didn't mean to imply to you did.
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Oh, good grief.....I really need to talk to these people about marketing........ :(
Oh wait, I did and everyone thought lawsuits were more in their own interests. :roflmao:
Yep that was my video, sorry if I caused confusion, I just put the audio from the Only Amiga Song video on top of this video because it kind of fitted and thought it be a bit of fun.
High Quality Version of the first video, with a few pics added at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xukdgNMPyXY
Sam460ex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJMlUnRxYWQ
Interest in an Amiga?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2RR8zhg4MM
imica aros computer at vcf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTMsatUvnfk
Amiga 25th Anniversary show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_wYiPfsPHs
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it was a great show, thanks to all invovled in making it happen.
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Mystery is now solved on why X1000 case is so big.
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Don't worry, MorphOS is advancing very well and will likely soon support even more affordable Mac hardware.
That would be interesting if MorphOS could actually be usefull for anything - time is running and wasting time on even more obsolete hardware is rather pointless.
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ moves to some other architecture?
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ matures into something more usable than a glorified emulator?
I am pretty sure the answer to both above is "no".
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Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ moves to some other architecture?
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ matures into something more usable than a glorified emulator?
That could be said about the alternative too, no?
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Its a sad day when the old Commodore roll outs look absolutely professional by comparison.
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That would be interesting if MorphOS could actually be usefull for anything - time is running and wasting time on even more obsolete hardware is rather pointless.
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ moves to some other architecture?
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ matures into something more usable than a glorified emulator?
I am pretty sure the answer to both above is "no".
At least you dont have to pay thousands to run your favorite emulator on fast hardware :-P
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time is running and wasting time on even more obsolete hardware is rather pointless
It has more point than wasting resources/effort on insanely expensive custom HW, though.
Also, most of the Mac HW we're adding support for is very similar to each other. Adding support for them doesn't take excessive resources.
I can think many things that are far more pointless. ;-)
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That would be interesting if MorphOS could actually be usefull for anything - time is running and wasting time on even more obsolete hardware is rather pointless.
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ moves to some other architecture?
Is it likely that MorphOS _ever_ matures into something more usable than a glorified emulator?
I am pretty sure the answer to both above is "no".
Dead platform or not you can enjoy it at the present day, fast and cheap without overpriced hardware for fanboys, amiga is much cooler than this.
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If you actually bothered to look at the pictures you would discover that it was hooked up with a standard PCI card.
I would also assume that drivers are not really optimized yet.
Hyperion/A-Eon also stated that parts of the OS was still running in debug mode since port is quite a bit from being finished yet.
I saw that and it's irrelevant. It took ages to refresh a drawer with some items in it. That ain't an issue with the video interface being PCI w/ SVGA. Blitting icons on a 286 with windows 3.1 would blow that mess out of the water. That machine is straight up running like a dog. Don't make excuses, that demonstration was pathetic. X11 with all it's insanity plus SVGA driver on a 700MHz pIII would put that to shame with gnome. First impressions.
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The A1X1K, the "holy grail", a total failure upon first impression. XMOS chip not even on the board, a thing that earlier they spent *half* their marketing BS focusing upon. The promised case, not there. The hyped keyboard, I won't go there. Timberwolf, hah, don't run that, it'll crash the machine. Price? Astronomical. What a joke. This was the event hyped for *MONTHS*, and they didn't deliver.
What makes you think they'll deliver later on?
Also, summer is like a day away, no more excuses on the CPU. NDA is obviously a load, put up or shut up.
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The screen refresh / icon painting didn't seem too slow to me. On booting it was obvious it's an early release, loads of debug info (some of which they quickly hid from the public).
Given the size of A-EON, the money needed to develop this board and the (tiny?) budget they must have for promotion, I think they did a fantastic job.
We should be celebrating Amiga and its offspring (X1000, NatAmi, MiniMig, Icaros etc) and be happy we have a future; not criticising every person/project/company that invests time, money and effort to develop and promote the platform.
Sure, the X1000 won't be cheap - but then small scale production will never compete with the economies of scale of the Intel world. At the high end we have the X1000, at the low end the Sam 460 (?); neither are 'cheap' but when you see the money people pay to tower A1200's, add PPC accelerators, Busboards, GFX cards, Ethernet, USB ... is such a cost really an issue?
If the OS issues are resolved and A-EON / Hyperion get the developers on board, this has real potential. As always the early adopters will pay a premium but I'd hope if successful the cost will reduce over time.
*shrug*
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That a cool thing that I did'nt notice, the sig on the motherboard.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs160.snc4/37332_10150217141715173_546790172_13206131_1365680_n.jpg
Any way, this is a quick Transcript of What Trevor said:-
Welcome to Hyperion Entertainment , A-eon and A-cube, the premier, the only manufacturers of Amiga Os 4.1.
Today we are here to talk about the new AmigaOne X1000 and I know there a lot of question about it and what we got today is the hardware team from Varisys, we got Hyperion Entertainment, Ben Hermans, got two software engineering the Frieden brothers, my business partner is here somewhere but most likely at the bar, and I'm here Trevor Dickinson.
So welcome to the show, the AmigaONE X1000 was conceived about upto 2 years ago, by Ben Hermans and then approached me, “how about making a new computer for OS4?” , sound like a good idea, I collected Amiga computers, if anyone knows me I've got....pause....a lot. Probably about 150 computers in my basement and about 50 off them are Amiga of all variety. But as you can see I'm very sensible, stable, well manned person, so when he said how about a new Amiga, that would be great. I would love to have new Amiga computer so it was a lucky meeting because I was actually in Belgium with Micheal Battilana from Cloanto who I was doing business with and he had a meeting that day with Ben and how about going out for a beer, and that was the day that Amiga Inc issued the law suit on the boys and so Ben said, “oh its a great day, I got this law suit and I got to meet you too” Any way long story Ben started looking at possible Hardware partners, he actually found a cpu partner first. No more info about the CPU, its not going to be said today.
They recommended a few company and it soon became apparent that Varisys would be a better fit for us, they where successful, they had a good track record, they have been in business for a while and they also close by, they where in Europe. When we meet them we had good fit, personality, weren't just a massive company that would just override us, and become a real partner and form a real partnership, that for AmigaWorld posters by the way.
So about just over 2 years ago we started work on the project even before A-eon was formed and before we raised any money before we got anything together product wise. 2 years ago we started the work, 18 months ago we started the project and all the physical stuff started just 18 months ago, so they have been working on the hardware for 18 months we actually took that time layout the boards do all the design work, do the testing, and the testing very extensive they got a fantastic track record of supplying reliable products, and putting out quality product. So they wouldn't give it us until they were happy that it works so at the end of the last year the first boards went to the Frieden brothers, they had it in their hands since last year just as the teaser site when up, which you all loved didn't you! I thought it was fun.
Nemo motherboards have now also gone to the hardware/software developers for device drivers I like to say this system has been running for 6 months (shakes head left to right)...but it has for six months been running os4 but only in the last couple of days has it actually booted properly off the hard drive, so even this morning I wasn't sure it was going to work but the Frieden brothers turned up with the kit with the board with the hardware with a hard disk drive booted it up and thank goodness it work so it does work still running off debug software so its not as smooth as it should be but you know Hypeion they will deliver, you know they will get the software working just right, that why were running a beta testing program as well. The beta tester will make sure we dont have a amigaone xe, xcell problem, the AmigaONE X1000 they go out and the machine works high quality product and bring the Amiga back where it should be, 25 years after the original machine was launched you have a product that a last your be able to say Yes this is an Amiga, Yes its good quality, Yes it works, it may not be grand braking as the original Amiga but for us enthusiast, me in particular, its deferentially an Amiga computer.
So just like to say thank you for coming, we have Varisys here the Managing Director and the Technical Director they will help you out, the Director of Hyperion Ben Hermans, in his spare time, I was going to say lawyer but that sounds terrible, he actually properties developer, he got some properties, that's his real job my other business partner Tony Moorley is somewhere, problaly still at the bar, the Frieden brothers are hear somewhere, hiding, two Acube managing partner are here Ricko and Max, so you want to buy a X1000 today (shake head left to right) but you can always buy a Sam they make excellent products, showing off there 460 which is the new Sam 1Ghz processor so its getting up their, I would say it brings the sam with more hardware better than the Pegasos at 1Ghzs today the Pegasos is probably the better machine but the new Sam with the modern hardware is better than the Pegasos, Yes (nod from Acube) yep. So if you got any questions do ask them.
I would love to have new Amiga computer so it was a lucky meeting because I was actually in Belgium with Micheal Battilana from Cloanto who I was doing business with and he had a meeting that day with Ben and how about going out for a beer, and that was the day that Amiga Inc issued the law suit on the boys and so Ben said, “oh its a great day, I got this law suit and I got to meet you too” Any way long story Ben started looking at possible Hardware partners, he actually found a cpu partner first. No more info about the CPU, its not going to be said today.
They recommended a few company and it soon became apparent that Varisys would be a better fit for us, they where successful, they had a good track record, they have been in business for a while and they also close by, they where in Europe. When we meet them we had good fit, personality, weren't just a massive company that would just override us, and become a real partner and form a real partnership, that for AmigaWorld posters by the way.
So about just over 2 years ago we started work on the project even before A-eon was formed and before we raised any money before we got anything together product wise. 2 years ago we started the work, 18 months ago we started the project and all the physical stuff started just 18 months ago, so they have been working on the hardware for 18 months we actually took that time layout the boards do all the design work, do the testing, and the testing very extensive they got a fantastic track record of supplying reliable products, and putting out quality product. So they wouldn't give it us until they were happy that it works so at the end of the last year the first boards went to the Frieden brothers, they had it in their hands since last year just as the teaser site when up, which you all loved didn't you! I thought it was fun.
Nemo motherboards have now also gone to the hardware/software developers for device drivers I like to say this system has been running for 6 months (shakes head left to right)...but it has for six months been running os4 but only in the last couple of days has it actually booted properly off the hard drive, so even this morning I wasn't sure it was going to work but the Frieden brothers turned up with the kit with the board with the hardware with a hard disk drive booted it up and thank goodness it work so it does work still running off debug software so its not as smooth as it should be but you know Hypeion they will deliver, you know they will get the software working just right, that why were running a beta testing program as well. The beta tester will make sure we dont have a amigaone xe, xcell problem, the AmigaONE X1000 they go out and the machine works high quality product and bring the Amiga back where it should be, 25 years after the original machine was launched you have a product that a last your be able to say Yes this is an Amiga, Yes its good quality, Yes it works, it may not be grand braking as the original Amiga but for us enthusiast, me in particular, its deferentially an Amiga computer.
So just like to say thank you for coming, we have Varisys here the Managing Director and the Technical Director they will help you out, the Director of Hyperion Ben Hermans, in his spare time, I was going to say lawyer but that sounds terrible, he actually properties developer, he got some properties, that's his real job my other business partner Tony Moorley is somewhere, problaly still at the bar, the Frieden brothers are hear somewhere, hiding, two Acube managing partner are here Ricko and Max, so you want to buy a X1000 today (shake head left to right) but you can always buy a Sam they make excellent products, showing off there 460 which is the new Sam 1Ghz processor so its getting up their, I would say it brings the sam with more hardware better than the Pegasos at 1Ghzs today the Pegasos is probably the better machine but the new Sam with the modern hardware is better than the Pegasos, Yes (nod from Acube) yep. So if you got any questions do ask them.
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@TCMSLP
I have yet to see any price reductions on Amiga hardware over the past couple of years. I've seen price reductions for the Efika and cheap Macs to run MorphOS, but that's it.
Don't hold your breath waiting for price reductions on the X1000.....
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If you actually bothered to look at the pictures you would discover that it was hooked up with a standard PCI card.
Oh puuhleeze, I had PCs back in the 90's with "standard PCI card" that ran Quake much faster than 4 fps. and those PCs ran at a fraction of the (stated) clock speed of the X1000. PCI should be just fine for a desktop and a game, or a boing ball demo - which by the way that has to be the slowest boing ball demo I've ever seen. Even my Atari 800 could run it faster. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhBzmnH_fRQ
I would also assume that drivers are not really optimized yet.
Hyperion/A-Eon also stated that parts of the OS was still running in debug mode since port is quite a bit from being finished yet.
It's time people stopped making excuses for A-eon. They should either come clean, or just shut up until they actually have made some progress. I wonder what the people who came to the show not knowing about the Amiga booth thought when they saw this supposedly up-to-date "Amiga" running slower than an Atari 8-bitter?
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That a cool thing that I did'nt notice, the sig on the motherboard.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs160.snc4/37332_10150217141715173_546790172_13206131_1365680_n.jpg
What is that sig?
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Its a sad day when the old Commodore roll outs look absolutely professional by comparison.
Commodore, at its peak, was one of the largest computer companies in the world. The first ever to reach $1 billion in sales.
Expecting A-Eon to measure up to Commodore before they even have a revenue stream is pretty ridiculous.
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The A1X1K, the "holy grail", a total failure upon first impression. XMOS chip not even on the board, a thing that earlier they spent *half* their marketing BS focusing upon.
Oh, noes, somebody focused on getting the important things working rather than completing population of components for something that Varisys has done umpteen times before (well, 16 times at least; noticed that Varisys is the company that designs the developer boards for XMOS?).
The promised case, not there. The hyped keyboard, I won't go there.
Oh, noes... Somebody are focusing on what matters instead of worrying about getting a logo stamped a few places. How horrible.
Timberwolf, hah, don't run that, it'll crash the machine.
Oh, noes... Alpha software running on a new, still unfinished port isn't stable... Who'd have thought that could ever be the case?
Price? Astronomical. What a joke. This was the event hyped for *MONTHS*, and they didn't deliver.
Boo hoo, so it's not to your liking.. For my part I'm still intending to buy one.
As for the hype, you must be oversensitive to this kind of stuff, because from A-Eon/Hyperion this event has hardly been mentioned.
What makes you think they'll deliver later on?
Well, the fact that I don't think they've failed to deliver so far is a good indication. They've been a little bit late on a couple of occasions, fair enough. Then again I'm a software developer - I never trust release dates.
Also, summer is like a day away, no more excuses on the CPU. NDA is obviously a load, put up or shut up.
Yes, I'm sure they're just withholding that information because they find it amusing to get bashed by naysayers in the various forums.
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its worth noting that it was running in debug mode.
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Commodore, at its peak, was one of the largest computer companies in the world. The first ever to reach $1 billion in sales.
Expecting A-Eon to measure up to Commodore before they even have a revenue stream is pretty ridiculous.
Expecting A-Eon *to even get* a revenue stream from this offering is pretty ridiculous IMHO...
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That could be said about the alternative too, no?
What alternative? Do you consider OS4 the only alternative? I do not :)
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It has more point than wasting resources/effort on insanely expensive custom HW, though.
Sure, allthough, with some luck the failure of the X1000 will burn Hermans and Hyperion so badly that they perhaps reconsider wasting their lives on screwing around as they have lately.
Also, most of the Mac HW we're adding support for is very similar to each other. Adding support for them doesn't take excessive resources.
Till now, perhaps - but considering what hardware there is left to support, hardware with either wireless or card slots, this may very well change.
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Hi,
Thats it, after reading about the development of a new Amiga and the childish trollind,drivel and spite responses I'm out of here.
Withdraw my membership to A.Org please.
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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Hi,
Thats it, after reading about the development of a new Amiga and the childish trollind,drivel and spite responses I'm out of here.
Withdraw my membership to A.Org please.
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
If you think someone violated the TOS please report it to a mod. We sometimes don't have time to read 100% of the posts. I for one think A-Eon will silence all critics by shipping a great high end X1000 that runs fast and is cutting edge. It should really show off Amiga OS 4.1 to the world and I think that is the point.
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Some people decided amigaworld.net wasn't enough, and had to spread their insanity over here as well.