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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: SysAdmin on June 18, 2010, 04:14:25 PM
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London, 17th June 2010
A-EON Technology CVBA and Varisys Ltd., are pleased to announce their partnership in the development of the AmigaOne X1000 hardware platform for AmigaOS. Varisys Ltd were identified as the ideal hardware partner for the ambitious project to create a new, genuinely modern computer system to run AmigaOS4.x in late 2008, even before the formal creation of A-EON Technology. In early 2009, Varisys Ltd began work on developing a new PowerPC based motherboard, codenamed Nemo, which would form the heart of the new AmigaOne X1000 computer. After months of design and testing, Varisys delivered the first Nemo prototypes in late 2009 and have now completed a Revision 2 design, which will be supplied to beta testers under the recently announced Extended Beta Test Program.
A-EON Technology director Trevor Dickinson said "We are very pleased to reveal Varisys as our AmigaOne X1000 hardware partner. They have a proven track record for delivering high quality products on time and to budget. Their extensive experience with PowerPC and parallel processing solutions makes them our ideal technical partners, and with their help we can revitalise the AmigaOne platform". Varisys Managing Director Paul Gentle said "We are equally pleased to be working with A-EON Technology and we believe our previous background and experience will prove vital in helping to make the AmigaOne X1000 a success" Adam Barnes, Varisys co-founder, added. "The Nemo motherboard design introduced some new and interesting technical challenges but we are extremely pleased with the results. Revision 2 of the Nemo board has recently been completed and will form a solid foundation for the A1-X1000 and beyond".
Visitors to the VCF Exhibition at Bletchley Park on Saturday, June the 19th, will be able to meet some of the Varisys team on the joint A-EON Technology / Hyperion Entertainment stand.
Further information via the linked PDF below.
http://dev.amigans.net/a-eon/NewsRelease-20100618.pdf
About Varisys Ltd. Varisys is a producer of Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) products and provider of bespoke hardware design and manufacturing services for industrial and embedded computing applications. The High Wycombe, UK, based company was founded in 2000 by Paul Gentle and Adam Barnes, and since then has earned a reputation for delivering high-quality products with a specialisation in PowerPC and FPGA hardware. Varisys have customers in a wide range of industries, including manufacturing, military applications and telecommunications, and are perhaps best known for their development of the PowerPC G4 motherboard used in the immensely popular WholeHog III lighting control console.
For more information, see the Varisys website (http://www.varisys.co.uk/).
About A-EON Technology CVBA
A-EON Technology is a technology start-up based in Belgium. Founded in 2009 by Trevor Dickinson, Anthony Moorley and Ben Hermans, A-EON works in very close cooperation with Hyperion Entertainment CVBA, the developers of the AmigaOS Operating System, to produce modern computer systems for AmigaOS.
About the AmigaOne X1000 The AmigaOne X1000 is a new high-end AmigaOS hardware platform scheduled for release during the summer of 2010. By providing the AmigaOS platform with a high power dual-processor CPU, modern interface standards, high-end graphics and Xcore technology, the X1000 will launch a new era of modern Amiga computing.
For further information, email contact@a-eon.com (contact@a-eon.com)
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high power dual-processor CPU
That's great and all, but since when does AOS, in any form support multiple CPUs? Last I checked to do so would break a great many things.
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Varisys are also known for producing PA Semi processor boards.
I speculated that the CPU for the X1000 would be a PASemi PA6T (or similar) when it was first announced, but it seemed unlikely given that PASemi were pretty much bought out by apple.
The plot thickens :lol:
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Varisys are also known for producing PA Semi processor boards.
I speculated that the CPU for the X1000 would be a PASemi PA6T (or similar) when it was first announced, but it seemed unlikely given that PASemi were pretty much bought out by apple.
The plot thickens :lol:
http://www.mil-embedded.com/products/search/fm/id/?34789
It's Military Spec, Doomy is going to poo himself.
:)
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:lol: @ the doomy reference.
How would the PA6T compare against the end of the line "G4" as found in Quicksilver Macs and the final Powerbooks?
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That's great and all, but since when does AOS, in any form support multiple CPUs? Last I checked to do so would break a great many things.
There's two ways of looking at this. One the one hand, you've got a non SMT based OS and a dual core CPU. Not an effective combination. However, just one of the cores in a 2GHz class PA Semi is already significantly faster than any existing G4 box upon which OS4 runs and still included niceties like Altivec. Overall, then, you are still getting a faster system, just not one you are making full use of.
Now, as for SMT, in it's purest form with total backwards compatibility with 3.x, I don't imagine it happening. If no better solution is possible, it may be that a "hybrid" form, where threads created by legacy applications are confined to one core, but those of well-behaved "native" applications are not, is doable.
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:lol: @ the doomy reference.
How would the PA6T compare against the end of the line "G4" as found in Quicksilver Macs and the final Powerbooks?
Pretty well, I would imagine. The PA6T was supposed to be more like the "G5", only without having to install a petrol powered generator and industrial cooling to run the thing.
http://www.systerra.de/documents/PA_Semi_PA6T_1682M_PB_694.pdf (http://www.systerra.de/documents/PA_Semi_PA6T_1682M_PB_694.pdf)
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There's two ways of looking at this. One the one hand, you've got a non SMT based OS and a dual core CPU. Not an effective combination. However, just one of the cores in a 2GHz class PA Semi is already significantly faster than any existing G4 box upon which OS4 runs and still included niceties like Altivec. Overall, then, you are still getting a faster system, just not one you are making full use of.
Are there any comparisons between the various PPCs? I'd be curious to see how the PA6t, G4 and Titan cpus stood.
Now, as for SMT, in it's purest form with total backwards compatibility with 3.x, I don't imagine it happening. If no better solution is possible, it may be that a "hybrid" form, where threads created by legacy applications are confined to one core, but those of well-behaved "native" applications are not, is doable.
Sounds almost like running a VM.
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Pretty well, I would imagine. The PA6T is supposed to be more like the "G5", only without having to install a petrol powered generator and industrial cooling to run the thing.
Interesting.
And the cooling system on the dual dual core Mac towers was only that over-engineered so as to provide as quiet a cooling solution as possible. A more regular system could have been employed but it'd have been louder. IIRC the heat output from a G5 was in the same league as an Athlon64 of the same vintage.
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Are there any comparisons between the various PPCs? I'd be curious to see how the PA6t, G4 and Titan cpus stood.
I'm sure google will bring up something.
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Off the top of my head, the last "G4" processors used in apple machines were the 7448 Apollo 8 variant. Now I don't think Apple ever used them directly as these are Freescale parts but 3rd party vendors have released upgrades for G4 boxes using them. A quick search reveals that these:
Are fabbed at 90nm process, copper interconnect
Single core, 32-bit
Have altivec
Run up to 2GHz with 200MHz FSB
TDP of ~18W @ 1.7GHz
1MB L2 cache
The PA6T:
Are fabbed at 65nm process
Dual core, 32/64-bit
Have altivec
Run beyond 2GHz (haven't found a direct source for the ceiling, but 2.5GHz is quoted a lot).
TDP of ~7W @ 2GHz
Upto 8MB L2 cache (configurations from 512K upwards) with "MOESI" cache coherency (see AMD64 docs for more on that).
Virtualisation/Hypervisor features
Dual integrated DDR2 memory controllers at ~1066MHz
What was interesting about the X1000 motherboard was the presence of 2 pairs of DDR slots, the arrangement of which would seem to lend itself to the dual DDR2 configuration of the above PA6T specs.
One thing that doesn't stack up is the instruction set architecture version. AFAIK, the PA6T adheres to the v2.04, but the documented info on the X1000 suggests a v2.05 conforming processor is used. It could be there is a newer revision of the PA6T kicking around.
It might explain some of the cloak and dagger antics over the CPU.
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Sounds almost like running a VM.
Well, not really, that's a level beyond even. Many SMT capable OS allow a process to set an affinity for a given core, meaning that that process will run on that core and will never be rescheduled to run on another during it's lifetime.
Such behaviour may be one way of keeping legacy processes together. Anyway, that's pure speculation on my part as I was having a think about how I might tackle the problem.
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An Apple (PA Semi) chip. Who's an Apple fanboy now?
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But I want to discuss MorphOS (joking).
Seriously though, things are looking on the up and up for OS4.x, though I won't be able to afford it, I'm eager for the X1000 to come out so those that can afford it can share their experiences.
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An Apple (PA Semi) chip. Who's an Apple fanboy now?
The PA6T was designed by PA Semi before apple bought them out. PA Semi were a fabless company and never actually manufactured any parts. The post-buyout PA Semi designers went on to design the processor for the iPad, which by all accounts is an ARM derivative.
So, the connection between the PA6T and Apple is what, exactly? That's right. Sweet FA.
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Yawn......another vapourware anncouncement.
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Are we sure this is the right company?
Varisys hasn't been around for 15 years.
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Is not the mil-spec joke getting really Really REALLY old now?
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Is not the mil-spec joke getting really Really REALLY old now?
It has become part of amiga.org legend now.
One can only wonder what Shaun would make of this system and it's evil PCIe bus
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It has become part of amiga.org legend now.
One can only wonder what Shaun would make of this system and it's evil PCIe bus
Man I wish (?!?) I could dig up some of the ol' Bus Arch Troll's stuff.
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Man I wish (?!?) I could dig up some of the ol' Bus Arch Troll's stuff.
Yeah, he was a hoot. In a kind of disturbing and scary way. Someone who really went off their meds, it would seem.
He did have a webpage once. It might be on archive.org, but I can't remember what it was called.
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Varisys are also known for producing PA Semi processor boards.
...and in combination with XMOS stuff. IIRC someone at some forum guessed it was them a long time ago already because of this reason? So now it's confirmed...
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Is not the mil-spec joke getting really Really REALLY old now?
It's only a joke if you don't take it seriously.
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@B00tDisk
Oh. My. God.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://amigaone.f2g.net (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://amigaone.f2g.net)
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Just read the editorials section *rolling on floor laughing*
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...and in combination with XMOS stuff. IIRC someone at some forum guessed it was them a long time ago already because of this reason? So now it's confirmed...
PA6T was my first wild guess, but it didn't seem likely given that PASemi were bought by apple.
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Wait, you mean someone guessed at Varisys, right?
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It's only a joke if you don't take it seriously.
Great point!!!
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Just read the editorials section *rolling on floor laughing*
At the risk of remaining off-topic, I just had a scary thought. Shaun was going on about Zorro VII in 2002. Then he went mental when the A1 specs were announced with it's mongrel PCI/AGP slots and not Zorro VII. He must have gone through some design iterations by now. Assuming he didn't top himself, that is. I mused to myself "perhaps he's up to Zorro X by now". Then it hit me: Zorro X / Xorro. The X1000 has a "Xorro" slot and the XMOS chip has "DIRECT ACCESS" to it...
:nervous:
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The X1000 has a "Xorro" slot and the XMOS chip has "DIRECT ACCESS" to it...
Hehe...
:)
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Are we sure this is the right company?
Varisys hasn't been around for 15 years.
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/lol/running-lol.gif)
Nope. Maybe HyperionMP meant this company:
http://brands.kraftfoods.com/jello/products/pudding/
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It's only a joke if you don't take it seriously.
Great point!!!
I agree, a truly Genius comment!
:)
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Maybe HyperionMP meant this company:
http://brands.kraftfoods.com/jello/products/pudding/
"Smooth, Rich, and Available"?
:) :)
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Holy Crap!
http://recipes.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Military_Pudding_Recipe
I guess this what Doomy and HyperionMP would serve at their wedding?
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hey, another "good one" is coming! the perfect companion for TMHGM!
Have ever thought to setup a show?
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hey, another "good one" is coming! the perfect companion for TMHGM!
Have ever thought to setup a show?
"Companion" for me???
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"Companion" for me???
The latest MorphOS user,
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/irishbosshog/JessicaBeil.jpg
I hear she has a boingball tattoo on her inner-left thigh and a blue butteryfly on the right. Anyone can confirm?
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The latest MorphOS user,
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/irishbosshog/JessicaBeil.jpg
I hear she has a boingball tattoo on her inner-left thigh and a blue butteryfly on the right. Anyone can confirm?
Hmm, I think I'll head for the middle way then... ;)
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It has become part of amiga.org legend now.
One can only wonder what Shaun would make of this system and it's evil PCIe bus
No one brings up Cooksey anymore.
Sigh...:(
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So then the Amigaone X-1000 will be this PC case http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=32 and a modified variant of this embedded module, as a motherboard http://www.varisys.co.uk/vm31.html
I do hope they realize that the particular case they chose, has a flaw in their USB wiring cables that go to the front of the case (they are wrongly wired). :)
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Hmm, I think I'll head for the middle way then... ;)
What a boing bag butterfly :) or just head for the butter! ;)
Down boy !
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So then the Amigaone X-1000 will be this PC case http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=32 and a modified variant of this embedded module, as a motherboard http://www.varisys.co.uk/vm31.html
I do hope they realize that the particular case they chose, has a flaw in their USB wiring cables that go to the front of the case (they are wrongly wired). :)
There is a lot bigger flaw on the front than just the USB ports.
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3833/x1000case.jpg)
Just ridiculous!
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@AmigaHeretic
Any wonder your currently banned from AW.
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No one brings up Cooksey anymore.
Sigh...:(
I'm not entirely sure I remember him...
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@AmigaHeretic
Any wonder your currently banned from AW.
Because no one has a sense of humor? :)
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There is a lot bigger flaw on the front than just the USB ports.
Just ridiculous!
two boing balls with a lighthouse on top?
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@AmigaHeretic
I see you are at it still??
Isnt it about time for you to make a public apology for all your past FUD that now has turned out to be false?
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two boing balls with a lighthouse on top?
A lighthouse to see see through all the B.S.?
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two boing balls with a lighthouse on top?
We are going to be offering poster size prints of that case. $10 plus shipping.
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Just to be clear we will not tolerate extreme slander against A-Eon on Amiga.org. Or against AROS or MorphOS for that matter. Offenders will be banned until 1 Yottabyte SSD's are common.
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two boing balls with a lighthouse on top?
Lighthouse? I thought it was Darth Vader trying to hide behind a punch bag.
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@AmigaHeretic
I see you are at it still??
Isnt it about time for you to make a public apology for all your past FUD that now has turned out to be false?
Nothing I have said has turned out to be false.
Please where I made a statement that is now wrong.
Failed to deliver by Summer? Check.
Still no un-modified picture of the X1000? Check.
Still not telling what the CPU is even after the missed release date? Check.
Still no price? Even after missed release date? Check.
Well organized.
Sigh....
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Just to be clear we will not tolerate extreme slander against A-Eon on Amiga.org. Or against AROS or MorphOS for that matter. Offenders will be banned until 1 Yottabyte SSD's are common.
You mean Yobibyte in base2?
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I'm not entirely sure I remember him...
Mid 90's troll supreme who liked to cause havoc on IRC. He is fairly well known among the old timers, some of whom I guess knew him from elsewhere than IRC too.
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Just to be clear we will not tolerate extreme slander against A-Eon on Amiga.org. Or against AROS or MorphOS for that matter. Offenders will be banned until 1 Yottabyte SSD's are common.
And what happens if/when this "extreme slander" (btw, its only slanderous is it's spoken, on a written forum it would be classed as libel) turns out to be true? See the Eyetech A1 problems for clarification.
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You mean Yobibyte in base2?
YB = Computer storage equal to one septillion (one long scale quadrillion or 1024) bytes (one quadrillion gigabytes).
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@Pyromania
I'm with AmigaHeretic on this one. I prefer base 2. Computers don't think in base 10. Hard disk manufactures only use base 10 because they don't want to sell 0.9 TB disks. It's much easier to sell 1 TB disks with a formatted capacity disclaimer. Some manufacturers, e.g. HP, sell (or resell) disks with formatted capacities that actually match the disk descriptions. Good on them, I say. ;-)
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YB = Computer storage equal to one septillion (one long scale quadrillion or 1024) bytes (one quadrillion gigabytes).
Does SFS support this yet? :)
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Mid 90's troll supreme who liked to cause havoc on IRC. He is fairly well known among the old timers, some of whom I guess knew him from elsewhere than IRC too.
Something like this? http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/traitors.html
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@the_leander
If it's based in fact it's not slander. Amiga.org is a very easy going community and we try and not be forum police. Everyone can form their own opinion about matters and enjoy healthy debate about Tech topics. If it becomes hurtful or slanderous to members or compaines then a mod may have to step in. Common sense and respect for others goes a long way.
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@the_leander
If it's based in fact it's not slander.
Clearly you've never read into English Libel law ;).
But beyond that I just want to make my position clear so that there isn't any misunderstanding:
The A1 had critical flaws in it's chipset. This is now accepted and (fanatics notwithstanding) agreed upon by the community as a whole.
However, at the time Eyetech actively squelched any mention of these flaws and even went so far as to co-opt the aid of another forum (who shall remain nameless) to act as it's agent in silencing any negative statements. It could well be seen as aiding and abetting fraud imho.
At the time Eyetech were seen by many in the OS4 crowd to be the second coming and it was not unusual to see any criticism of that denounced as lies or otherwise libellous. My big fear here with you saying what you have (understandable from a legal standpoint I suppose) is that legitimate issues could be similarly silenced.
Amiga.org is a very easy going community and we try and not be forum police. Everyone can form their own opinion about matters and enjoy healthy debate about Tech topics. If it becomes hurtful or slanderous to members or compaines then a mod may have to step in. Common sense and respect for others goes a long way.
I hope so.
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Something like this? http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/traitors.html
Oh wait... Yes, that does look familiar :roflmao:
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Something like this? http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/traitors.html
Man that is one whole hell of a lot of crazy! Also cool is the redirect that kicks in after a minute or so :lol:
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Oh wait... Yes, that does look familiar :roflmao:
Didn't I point this out to you a few weeks ago? I have no idea what I was searching for though to bring it up :confused:
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Something like this? http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/traitors.html
Read the "Gateway - Amiga,Inc" section on that page.
"but, can miraculously create, build, and manufacture a whole new PC-Amiga bastard computer between May 16,1998, and November 1998...just 5 months."
Some things never change. Just stating facts now so don't get mad, but according to A-Eon's news posting they only got "prototypes in late 2009", but claimed in ~ 5months (before Summer at least) they would be selling X1000s.
Ironic is all I'm saying.
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Didn't I point this out to you a few weeks ago? I have no idea what I was searching for though to bring it up :confused:
Yeah, maybe. I can't imagine I stumbled on that by accident :lol:
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Read the "Gateway - Amiga,Inc" section on that page.
"but, can miraculously create, build, and manufacture a whole new PC-Amiga bastard computer between May 16,1998, and November 1998...just 5 months."
Some things never change. Just stating facts now so don't get mad, but according to A-Eon's news posting they only got "prototypes in late 2009", but claimed in ~ 5months (before Summer at least) they would be selling X1000s.
Ironic is all I'm saying.
And yet they were only a few months late from what it looks like now.
They have already explained it in detail to you why it said before summer.
A few months delay is nothing compared to the delays seen with other companies like for example microsoft or sony.
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And yet they were only a few months late from what it looks like now.
They have already explained it in detail to you why it said before summer.
But i guess a troll like you cant get that through your thick skull.
A few months delay is nothing compared to the delays seen with other companies like for example microsoft or sony.
I will report you for this post. Need to to get personal sir.
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I will report you for this post. Need to to get personal sir.
Maybe i should also report you on AmigaWorld for calling people names and liars?
You are not the right person to talk about getting personal.
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FFS guys, just do something else for a bit, would you?
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Offenders will be banned until 1 Yottabyte SSD's are common.
:laughing::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::laughing:
Yeah, but will any Amiga ever be able to use one. :lol:
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Maybe i should also report you on AmigaWorld for calling people names and liars?
You are not the riht person to talk about getting personal.
And you are behaving like a thick person when you after all these months still have no clue.
Pot kettle black sir.
Also, what happens on other forums stays on other forums, quit dragging your drama here.
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Mid 90's troll supreme who liked to cause havoc on IRC. He is fairly well known among the old timers, some of whom I guess knew him from elsewhere than IRC too.
Cooksey was on here too wasn't he, before the great crash? I remember him being on here as "recent" as 1999.
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Pot kettle black sir.
Also, what happens on other forums stays on other forums, quit dragging your drama here.
It is he who is continuing his agenda against hyperion/a-eon.
I am sick and tired of people like him who constantly post in any OS4 related thread just to spread shit.
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It is he who is continuing his agenda against hyperion/a-eon.
I am sick and tired of people like him who constantly post in any OS4 related thread just to spread shit.
You could try this (http://www.amiga.org/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist)...
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It is he who is continuing his agenda against hyperion/a-eon.
I am sick and tired of people like him who constantly post in any OS4 related thread just to spread shit.
@ Tomas,
Chill, Sir. I'm no moderator, but all you're letting him do is antagonize you, which is probably want he wants in the first place. That's bad for your chi and for the well being of Amiga.org. Fueling the fire only adds to the situation and that's something you really don't wish upon yourself and the site. Bruce Lee said it best: "Be like water".
I come to Amiga.org mostly because of the people I've met over the past 10+ years on this site, but mainly because it's the most liberal and open-minded Amiga site on the interwebs. While some of us are "trolls", the majority of us, myself included, do it just to be a smartass and to make people laugh. I've always known you to be a kind, thoughtful and generous person when it comes to people asking for help with their classic systems, but don't let one person make your apple look bad.
Just my 2p.
Wait....I'm an American, but my Mom's family is from Enniskillen, so does that mean I'm still able to give my 2 pence? :confused::lol:
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It is he who is continuing his agenda against hyperion/a-eon.
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/the_leander/bovvered.jpg)
Neither I nor anyone else here cares. Stop dragging what happens on other sites onto here. There is no need for it, trust me, there are enough histrionics sufferers on here as it is.
Also, try Karlos's suggestion, it's super effective. :roflmao:
I am sick and tired of people like him who constantly post in any OS4 related thread just to spread shit.
Again:
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/the_leander/bovvered.jpg)
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Guys... Please... No personal attacks, even if they are mild they produce reports. Also please refrain from phallic shaped computer cases, this is a family oriented site. I don't feel like moderating the minor stuff, but it is distracting and upsets some members.
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WTF is going on in here ?
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Something like this? http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/traitors.html
Wow..What a blast from the past that was. All my old Undernet buddies pretty much filled his entire hate list . Nice people they are to.
Yeah... he was quite well known back in the day. I fortunately seemed to have avoided him it seems.
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WTF is going on in here ?
Someone forgot to take their medicine I suppose, no... Make that several. It isn't really worth it and by now we need this thread locked, i understand I may not be a mod, but with all this bullshit between users intentionally causing trouble, the mods seem to be absentee as long as they can. Would it kill those who like to fight on forums to take it elsewhere, maybe to afterdawn or someother place where you can just duke it out? And will it kill the mods to step in and lock this before it gets like this? You all are always too late to these things, and let tasteless punks screw up a usually calm community. All I can say is for these morons who love to troll :STFU!
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No one brings up Cooksey anymore.
Sigh...:(
Didn't he give up and go over to scream at Atari users about the Jaguar not being 64 bit or 32 bit or something?
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Guys... Please... No personal attacks, even if they are mild they produce reports. Also please refrain from phallic shaped computer cases, this is a family oriented site. I don't feel like moderating the minor stuff, but it is distracting and upsets some members.
Ok, no Phallic shaped objects like A-Eon has on there site.:roflmao:
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Someone forgot to take their medicine I suppose, no... Make that several. It isn't really worth it and by now we need this thread locked, i understand I may not be a mod, but with all this bullshit between users intentionally causing trouble, the mods seem to be absentee as long as they can. Would it kill those who like to fight on forums to take it elsewhere, maybe to afterdawn or someother place where you can just duke it out? And will it kill the mods to step in and lock this before it gets like this? You all are always too late to these things, and let tasteless punks screw up a usually calm community. All I can say is for these morons who love to troll :STFU!
Too much caffeine?
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So then the Amigaone X-1000 will be this PC case http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=32 and a modified variant of this embedded module, as a motherboard http://www.varisys.co.uk/vm31.html
I do hope they realize that the particular case they chose, has a flaw in their USB wiring cables that go to the front of the case (they are wrongly wired). :)
Not exactly, the vm31 is just a PASemi CPU coupled with a network adapter, a lot of work went on to design nemo you can read more about it here (http://dev.amigans.net/a-eon/NewsRelease-20100618.pdf)
And yes Aeon announced way back, they had contacted and made deals with parts suppliers in order for them to deliver "Amiga versions" of their products (revised if defective ;)) they also have a guy designing the cardboard box art, which I think adds a nice touch.
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Maybe i should also report you on AmigaWorld for calling people names and liars?
No need, he still has 22 days until his latest ban is over on AW.net
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It isn't really worth it and by now we need this thread locked, i understand I may not be a mod, but with all this bullshit between users intentionally causing trouble, the mods seem to be absentee as long as they can.
That's not the case, myself and Red very much still here. As a rule, we have a fairly relaxed moderation policy and expect users to be mature enough for the most part to not engage in this sort of petty bickering.
However, you'd be most unwise to take that as an open invitation to take the mickey. As the rules state, warnings are almost always given, but never twice to the same person.
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Oooof bit warm in here *puts on flame proof jacket*
I personally don't see the issue with the CPU being dual core (or whatever) and OS4 not supporting multi-threading. This is normal, the CPU comes first, the OS makes the best of the features of the highest end hardware capable of running said OS. 64bit CPUs came before 64bit Windows (which was a disaster in the case of XP64 btw so they can hardly make a worse job of it)
So in essence we have a G5 PowerPC unit? I mean in terms of CPU power ghz per ghz. The reason Apple left PPC for Intel was simple, laptops. The G5 was never going to make it into the laptop market and Apple are not stupid, laptop sales in the middle of the last decade were on the up and up and a very desirable piece of tech....exactly the kind of thing Apple thrives on. There's nothing wrong with the G5 CPU for desktops. Also my only issue with x1000 is value for money, if it was 600 dollars and included a capable GPU then great I would have zero problems with it.
PS I'm not totally up on side lines or older PPC stuff, Cell is where it's at (and Xenon if IBM were clever enough not to be screwed by a Microsoft exclusivity contract of course) so that was a genuine question about the relative sophistication of the x1000 CPU mooted at in this thread.
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That's not the case, myself and Red very much still here. As a rule, we have a fairly relaxed moderation policy and expect users to be mature enough for the most part to not engage in this sort of petty bickering.
However, you'd be most unwise to take that as an open invitation to take the mickey. As the rules state, warnings are almost always given, but never twice to the same person.
Hmm, then you expect them to work it out amongst themselves, we'll see whether that works.
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I'm sure google will bring up something.
The PA6T:
Are fabbed at 65nm process
Dual core, 32/64-bit
Have altivec
Run beyond 2GHz (haven't found a direct source for the ceiling, but 2.5GHz is quoted a lot).
TDP of ~7W @ 2GHz
Upto 8MB L2 cache (configurations from 512K upwards) with "MOESI" cache coherency (see AMD64 docs for more on that).
Virtualisation/Hypervisor features
Dual integrated DDR2 memory controllers at ~1066MHz
can you post links to this ?
there was TDP of 25 Watt written here.and more of 7 Watt for average.
http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT032607001221&p=2
The pa6 is a slow embedded CPU(there is no wonder possible.less power bring less performance /MHZ but for sure better as AMCC) and i doint think it give performance /MHZ of a G4
the only benchmark i know of pa6 is this.
http://www.coremark.org/benchmark/index.php?pg=benchmark
here pa6 is not so good(around, as AMD. and PA6 have lots bigger caches.
but thats the only benchmark i know of pa6 so i only write i think pa6 is little slower as G4, but to say it is a little slower need more benchmarks of pa6.
The Intel Atom is called as a slow CPU.this are the values of 2 threads
P.A. Semi PA6T-1682M 1.7GHz GCC 4.3.2(Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ____ coremark/MHZ= 3.234___ 5497.80 2 PThreads
Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz GCC4.4.1____ coremark/MHZ= 2.855 __ 4567.253 2:PThreads vote 02/18/10
this Atom N270 is no real 2 core CPU.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom
It have only hyperthreading.But you can see in Core mark /MHZ its only 13% slower as a Pa6 in single core value.
modern X86 are lots faster as Atom CPU, and i think a G4 is also much more faster as 16% as a Atom CPU.
also the ATOm CPU have very small 1.Level caches.lots smaller as pa6.also the 2. level cache of ATOM is smaller
when i see the heatsink of the X1000 i see not that this is able to cool a pa6t.
The heatsink look realy small on the CPU, if it should be a pa6 CPU it have a TDP of 17 Watt.
When look at passive Heatsink specs, a 53 mm * 53 mm *16 mm Heatsink have a rate of 7,3 Kelvin /Watt.
http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/188549/PGA-CPU-KUeHLKOeRPER-53-X-53-MM/SHOP_AREA_27805&promotionareaSearchDetail=005
Its a german page, but you can look at the value R th .... 7.3 K /W
This mean a CPU that use 1 Watt increase the temperature in the Heat sink of 7,3 Kelvin.
A CPU with a TDP of 10 Watt increase temperature of 73 Kelvin of the heatsink.To get real temperature in the CPU, you need add the Kelvin of the surrounding temperature too.
Airflow give better values.so there are use Fans on the Heatsink, when TDP get over 10 Watt.
I think the X1000 CPU can not have more TDP as 6 Watt CPU with this HeatSink and a pa6t as X1000 CPU is maybe then not possible.
maybe somebody that have see the X1000 can give more precise info about the HeatSink size of the X1000.
But because the X1000 Heatsink is not so high and have not so much free space, i think it have higher Kelvin /Watt as 7.3
the better cooler is of course this with lower Kelvin /Watt.
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@Bernd_afa
Most of the info on the PA6T is repeated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWRficient (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWRficient)
Also see: http://www.hotchips.org/archives/hc18/2_Mon/HC18.S2/HC18.S2T1.pdf (http://www.hotchips.org/archives/hc18/2_Mon/HC18.S2/HC18.S2T1.pdf)
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Your linked coremark benchmark page puts a 1.7GHz PA6T in the same range as the Core 2 Duo ~1.6GHz:
CPU: P.A. Semi PA6T-1682M 1.7GHz
Compiler/OS: GCC 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1)
Coremark/MHz: 3.234
Coremark: 5497.80
Threads: 2 pthreads
Benchmarked: 06/17/09
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1596MHz
Compiler/OS: GCC4.3.0 20080428 (Red Hat 4.3.0-8)
Coremark/MHz: 3.421
Coremark: 5459.87
Threads: 2 pthreads
Benchmarked: 06/09/09
Of course, there are many more powerful intel processors than that, but compared to existing PPC processors found in OS4 boxes, that should be a big step up. Alas when comparing to freescale CPU's you can't find any G4 processors on that benchmark site. Or at least I didn't see any.
Usual benchmark caveats apply but the conditions used don't seem too different.
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CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1596MHz
Compiler/OS: GCC4.3.0 20080428 (Red Hat 4.3.0-8)
Coremark/MHz: 3.421
Coremark: 5459.87
Threads: 2 pthreads
Benchmarked: 06/09/09
Of course, there are many more powerful intel processors than that, but compared to existing PPC processors found in OS4 boxes, that should be a big step up. Alas when comparing to freescale CPU's you can't find any G4 processors on that benchmark site. Or at least I didn't see any.
Usual benchmark caveats apply but the conditions used don't seem too different.
but look on this page there is another 1,6 GHZ Core 2 Duo and other that reach 5000 or 6000 Coremark /MHZ.the value of 3400 this core 2 duo get you post is too low.maybe the test run only single thread
http://www.eembc.org/benchmark/reports/benchreport.php
Edit:
I look on the link you post and search for TDP, but i do not find this word.
when you search in google pa6t tdp you find the 25 Watt often.
here is also a link
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Apple-acquires-Linuxfriendly-chip-vendor/
so because of the small heatsink of the X1000, it can be possible that there is no pa6t in.but what CPU is it then
maybe amcc design a new CPU with altivec and 64 bit.....
but thats really strange too, because normaly they announce such things years before series production start, so Hardware /Software developers have enough time to bring OS to this CPU.
also new design CPU use always DDR 3 i think
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but look on this page there is another 1,6 GHZ Core 2 Duo and other that reach 5000 or 6000 Coremark /MHZ.the value of 3400 this core 2 duo get you post is too low.maybe the test run only single thread
It's possible, though the test I quoted the results for stated 2 pthreads were used.
http://www.eembc.org/benchmark/reports/benchreport.php
From the above, I get this:
SQL ERROR ON QUERY:You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ') ORDER BY B.hardware, B.benchmark_cert_date DESC' at line 1
SQL=SELECT B.benchmark_seq, B.suite, B.platform, B.hardware, B.software,display_company_user_flag, B.benchmark_notes, B.certification_status, B.score_url, B.certified_by_lab, B.benchmark_cert_date, B.power_energy_flag, B.mark1, B.mark2, B.mark3, B.mark4, B.mark5, B.mark6, B.mark7, B.mark8, B.mark9, B.mark10, B.mark11, B.power_mark1, B.power_mark2, B.power_mark3, B.power_mark4, B.power_mark5, B.power_mark6, B.power_mark7, B.power_mark8, B.power_mark9, B.power_mark10, B.power_mark11, U.first_name, U.last_name, U.company, CT.description as certification_type_desc, BT.description as benchmark_type_desc, ST.mark_tm, ST.mark_tm2, ST.mark_tm3, ST.mark_tm4, ST.mark_tm5, ST.mark_tm6, ST.mark_tm7, ST.mark_tm8, ST.mark_tm9, ST.mark_tm10, ST.mark_tm11, ST.power_mark_tm, ST.power_mark_tm2, ST.power_mark_tm3, ST.power_mark_tm4, ST.power_mark_tm5, ST.power_mark_tm6, ST.power_mark_tm7, ST.power_mark_tm8, ST.power_mark_tm9, ST.power_mark_tm10, ST.power_mark_tm11, ST.score_col1_flag, ST.score_col1_pro_desc, ST.score_col1_sim_desc, ST.score_col2_pro_desc, ST.score_col2_sim_desc, ST.score_col5_pro_desc, ST.score_col5_sim_desc, ST.score_col6_pro_desc, ST.score_col6_sim_desc FROM Benchmark B INNER JOIN BenchmarkType BT ON BT.benchmark_type = B.benchmark_type INNER JOIN CertificationType CT ON CT.Certification_type = B.certification_type INNER JOIN Suite ST ON ST.suite = B.suite LEFT JOIN User U ON U.user_seq=B.user_seq WHERE B.benchmark_seq IN () ORDER BY B.hardware, B.benchmark_cert_date DESC
:roflmao:
Edit:
I look on the link you post and search for TDP, but i do not find this word.
when you search in google pa6t tdp you find the 25 Watt often.
here is also a link
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Apple-acquires-Linuxfriendly-chip-vendor/
so because of the small heatsink of the X1000, it can be possible that there is no pa6t in.but what CPU is it then
maybe amcc design a new CPU with altivec and 64 bit.....
but thats really strange too, because normaly they announce such things years before series production start, so Hardware /Software developers have enough time to bring OS to this CPU.
also new design CPU use always DDR 3 i think
The 7W figure is on the wikipedia page. However, looking at it again, I notice that it doesn't actually say what this figure is for, just "7W @ 2GHz". When I saw it, I must have automatically assumed TDP.
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You also have to consider that if two very similarly clocked intel Core 2 duo processors show what could be an error in the benchmarking process (ie only one core rather than two), it's just as possible the same applies to the PA6T benchmark. As there's only one such benchmark for that, you've simply no way of knowing for sure.
There's another reference to 7W here, the average power dissipated when running SPEC benchmarks: http://www2.electronicproducts.com/High-performance_dual-core_processor_needs_just_14_W-article-poyjh02-jan2008-html.aspx (http://www2.electronicproducts.com/High-performance_dual-core_processor_needs_just_14_W-article-poyjh02-jan2008-html.aspx)
At 2 GHz, each core achieves a SPECint2000 score of 1,000 and a SPECfp2000 score of 1,500. Running SPEC benchmarks, each core dissipates around 7 W max; a SPECint/W of 142.8, about four times more power efficient than a Core 2 Duo processor. The chip has a coherent, ordered crossbar interconnect, 2 Mbytes of L2 cache, two DDR2 memory controllers, and multichannel DMA and hardware acceleration engines for TCP/IP, iSCSI, cryptography-IPSEC and SSL, and RAID functions.
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Assuming those figures are for real, that's not too shabby when compared to stated G4 SPECint2000/SPECfp2000 scores. Have a look here: http://www.macintouch.com/ppcperf.html
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Isnt it about time for you to make a public apology for all your past FUD that now has turned out to be false?
Don't you see how practically all the predictions from the last 4-5 months, that some people back then discarded as "FUD", has now actually turned out to be completely true?
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@Karlos
>it's just as possible the same applies to the PA6T benchmark. As there's only one such >benchmark for that, you've simply no way of knowing for sure.
thats possible too, but i think the guys that sell pa6 systems have an eye on it.
This benchmark is the one and only benchmark i find for pa6.and when potential buyers find it and its worser than real, then its bad for the pa6t sellers.
a better argument is when you tell, that in real world things may be diffrent, because its no real world bencmark.
but anyway i have no hope that the pa6t is a fast CPU so a price of 1800 Eur is something in reality and a revival is possible.
its only bad, that the most expensivest AOS solution make the most future hope and so most money flow to this projects.
I think the amiga have a better rivival when Hyperion accept that Haage and Partner change from PPC to X86 and support that too...
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I think the amiga has a better chance of revival when Hyperion accepts that Haage and Partner changed from PPC to X86 and support that too...
Fixed it so it makes sense, but I find that highly unlikely. I have composed a sort of chart outlining the most likely future of the three Amiga-Like OSes:
Current Future
MorphOS PPC------> ARM & PPC (Or X86?)
AROS X86 & PPC--->X86 & X64
AOS 4 PPC---------->PPC
Thats the platform future of the three from looking at the way everything has gone. Of course, I cannot predict the success of each one, but AROS will probably join Linux, BSD and Haiku in the endless struggle against Windows, while MOS and OS4 will probably continue to go head-to-head for a long time, in time the MorphOS team will probably finish out the G4 and G5 line of support and either expand into the OS4 market of machines (As long as Hyperion has money they will find a PPC supplier) or look into ARM more likely than x86 as ARM machines have been proven to be cheaper. But I can't see Hyperion making too much of a profit
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Of course, I cannot predict the success of each one, but AROS will probably join Linux, BSD and Haiku in the endless struggle against Windows, while MOS and OS4 will probably continue to go head-to-head for a long time, in time the MorphOS team will probably finish out the G4 and G5 line of support and either expand into the OS4 market of machines (As long as Hyperion has money they will find a PPC supplier) or look into ARM more likely than x86 as ARM machines have been proven to be cheaper. But I can't see Hyperion making too much of a profit
We (AROS) probably won't be able to make any dent in the Windows market share, true. But we'll most likely have a lot more installations than MOS+OS4 combined. I would already be content if we get to a few percent of the current Linux desktop installations ;).
greets,
Staf.
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We (AROS) probably won't be able to make any dent in the Windows market share, true. But we'll most likely have a lot more installations than MOS+OS4 combined. I would already be content if we get to a few percent of the current Linux desktop installations ;).
greets,
Staf.
Maybe you will, the biggest advantage you all have is the ability to run on top of Linux. But I like OS4 and MorphOS better, I will be getting a mini from a friend soon, and i hope the X1000 does well, if it does take off at all, we will be blessed, but unless the PPC manufacturers get a better CPU in the next few years, we will fall behind again. :(
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Maybe you will, the biggest advantage you all have is the ability to run on top of Linux.
Actually their biggest advantage is not being tied to sucky overpriced underpowered hardware. Oh and being Opensourced. And not having anything to do with the pit of fail that is Ben Hermans.
Being able to run hosted under linux is kinda cool, but way down on the list of advantages.
But I like OS4 and MorphOS better, I will be getting a mini from a friend soon, and i hope the X1000 does well, i
Agreed and I hope your experience with the mini is a good one.
but unless the PPC manufacturers get a better CPU in the next few years, we will fall behind again. :(
AFAIK PPC has never really been ahead and only very briefly on a few separate occasions on a level playing field with x86 in terms of performance. The last time was the initial release of the G5's, which put them briefly on par with Athlon64's of the same vintage. But within a year the playing field had moved again.
What you have in the X1000 is basically a marginally more modern Circa 2004 G5 PowerMac.
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>Fixed it so it makes sense, but I find that highly unlikely. I have composed a sort of chart >outlining the most likely future of the three Amiga-Like OSes:
there is a easy rule.
Invest Money in a comparable in price and power Hardware and support it with Software and OS.
but this work not on amiga land.
lots of money and support is flow to bring AOS to high price PPC Hardware, but this much money help at least to get more apps.But the users must pay a high price for the Hardware and as can see not many do that.
On the other side there is AROS on X86.It have lots cheaper and much faster Hardware, but much much less money flow into it and support of it is few, and thats the Reason that AROS have not so much Apps as MOS or OS4.
So the ideal AOS for a revival have the Hardware as AROS and the support with money as MOS or OS4.
And when the guys with the money really think that it bring better future to support AOS that run only on the expensive HW, and there is no way insight to bring with PPC a more powerful and cheaper HW, then i really have no hope that this solution grow over 800-900 Fan Users.Thats way to few for a revival
and thats really optimistic, when look on the download count of the firefox alpha(a must have i think, because not many software come) i see only 551 downloads, and on aminet 77 and thats for 6 Years that OS4 can use.I am sure, in the past there are more OS4 users.
There was a user count in 2005 or maybe 2006, at amigaworld.net, there was over 850 users with aone microaone etc hw.
maybe a amiga Hardware can 20% more expensive with the same performance you get form current Hardware, but thats whats here on new hardware have such a high price that i dont think the user increase to reach at least the level of OS4 users in 2005.
I think a revival is only possible, when MOS or OS4 can produce new Hardware that is not higher as 20-30% in price by same performance as current systems.
If they can not i think all investet money does not help that more users ever use it.
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I think a revival is only possible, when MOS or OS4 can produce new Hardware that is not higher as 20-30% in price by same performance as current systems.
I think that you speak some economic truth here, the main problem being PPC isn't mass-produced as much as 5-10 years ago, making it prohibitively expensive. Now, all we need is some new PPC to come out that is used in, lets say a DVD player that can match a Core Duo at least, and have a >1000 USD price tag. (A pipe dream)
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Fixed it so it makes sense, but I find that highly unlikely. I have composed a sort of chart outlining the most likely future of the three Amiga-Like OSes:
Current Future
MorphOS PPC------> ARM & PPC (Or X86?)
AROS X86 & PPC--->X86 & X64
AOS 4 PPC---------->PPC
It's a real possibility that you will also see AROS running on EFIKA-MX before A1X1K is released.
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>AFAIK PPC has never really been ahead and only very briefly on a few separate occasions >on a level playing field with x86 in terms of performance.
1997 with the 604e technoligy the cyberstorm PPC have, the PPC was much ahead 486 and Pentium 1/2 CPU really.I measure that out, and the Cyberstorm PPC have a lower price.
The wind of change come only in year 1999 2000 when Motorola do not the new G5 they have announce.Intel do the P3 and AMD do the Athlon.The Athlon performs the PPC 604 y out in performance /MHZ
Now we have 2010 and PPC still have as the fastest performance /MHZ technoligy the 604 technoligy that is called later as G4 and get altivec.
but now 2010 intel and AMD do more and what happen on PPC land except the 604 -> G4 technolgy was only some low performance /MHZ but low Power Chips as qori AMCC 4xx and pa6t.
PPC is cheap today only in low clockrates.but all over 1 GHZ is today expensive on PPC.
but still its no excuse that a AMCC 1 GHZ board is so expensive.See the efika, its sell last for 99$.
sure efika its lot underpowered, but today for 199$ should be a OS4/MOS system with a 1 GHZ PPC CPU and 1 gigabyte RAM board possible.
thats not too high price so maybe more users buy a MOS or OS4 system as a secondary system.
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The only reason we are still on G4 PPC CPUs is down to the manufacturers/designers of Amiga hardware NOT a technical problem in finding new and better CPUs than G5 PPC. I have said it until I am blue in the face that any engineer with a half decent IQ would be building cheap motherboards based on the IBM Xenon 3.2Ghz CPU which is compatible with PowerPC. This CPU is 4+ years old now. They should have made the call to IBM a long time ago at Hyperion/Amiga Inc etc. Given some 50 million IBM Xenon CPUs have been fabricated they could probably sell them at LESS than 604e prices charged to Amiga companies.
Also when comparing 68060 to x86 remember Motorola was the first to make a clock doubled CPU for desktop computers. A 50mhz 060 runs internally at 100mhz. Intel did not do this until Centrino a decade later. It also explains the massive perceived increase in performance from 040 to 060 CPUs at similar speeds. 020 and 030 were not so great but it doesn't matter, Commodore had no idea where to go from 68040 and would have gone bankrupt anyway whatever PPC CPUs were available in 1994.
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I have said it until I am blue in the face that any engineer with a half decent IQ would be building cheap motherboards based on the IBM Xenon 3.2Ghz CPU which is compatible with PowerPC.
..and you can stop saying it, because no, some random engineer can't go and have a few hundred boards printed up at a decent price. You'll end up with another X1000. (the CPU they're using is PPC compatible too!)
Come back when you have a million pre-orders.
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I have said it until I am blue in the face that any engineer with a half decent IQ would be building cheap motherboards based on the IBM Xenon 3.2Ghz CPU which is compatible with PowerPC. This CPU is 4+ years old now. They should have made the call to IBM a long time ago at Hyperion/Amiga Inc etc. Given some 50 million IBM Xenon CPUs have been fabricated they could probably sell them at LESS than 604e prices charged to Amiga companies.
If only! IBM has been manufacturing the Cell processor, a sucessor to the Cell, and the processor in Microsoft XBOX360 (which you've mentioned) for several years now.
It has been discussed, but IBM qualifies each manufacturer's application for Cell related projects. If it finds merit in the application it will work with the company.
IBM wants to make a profit from it's ventures. So far, the only applications it has allowed for this technology are high volume/ low profit margin products (like the XBOX360 and the PS3) and low volume/high profit items (like Cell based Blade servers).
You can call them if you like. I could even give you the name of the person heading that department (he responded to my own inquiries quite cordially).
However, since what you're talking about looks like a low volume/low profit product, I don't think you'll be able to get approval for it.
I wish I could say that I don't understand the logic in this, but Motorola (who made the last Amiga processors) isn't in that market anymore and IBM still is.
They seem to understand that in order to stay in business you need to do more than create a good product. You have to market it right. Cell based PCs aren't going to happen.
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I have said it until I am blue in the face that any engineer with a half decent IQ would be building cheap motherboards based on the IBM Xenon 3.2Ghz CPU which is compatible with PowerPC. This CPU is 4+ years old now. They should have made the call to IBM a long time ago at Hyperion/Amiga Inc etc. Given some 50 million IBM Xenon CPUs have been fabricated they could probably sell them at LESS than 604e prices charged to Amiga companies.
Unfortunately they would need to call Microsoft, not IBM. I very much doubt M$ would be that happy to sell the CPU to outsiders.
If you'd be talking to IBM to create something similar to Xenon... well then you'd need to have some serious financial backing I believe.
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Yep! That kind of my point. It could be done, but you'd need the resources of a major backer. If only Bill McEwen claim to millions in resources had been true.
BTW - Does anyone know if anyone other than IBM manufacturers Xenon processors. Sony is still relying on IBM for its Cell processors (in fact they've just reduced the die size).
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Unfortunately they would need to call Microsoft, not IBM. I very much doubt M$ would be that happy to sell the CPU to outsiders.
If you'd be talking to IBM to create something similar to Xenon... well then you'd need to have some serious financial backing I believe.
What they could do instead is source that CPU from RRoD Xbox 360's headed to land fills. There should be an ample supply of those for at least a 1000 years.
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What they could do instead is source that CPU from RRoD Xbox 360's headed to land fills. There should be an ample supply of those for at least a 1000 years.
:)
Without the technical info to use those processors, they're useless. Plus you'd have to remove them, have them re-balled, and then remount them on a custom designed board that could support them.
No easy task.
If this was a practical idea, someone would have figured out a way to mod existing XBOX 360 boards to boot 3rd party OS (I know about the 'King Kong' based bootloader, I mean something that doesn't rely on a older revision of XBOX software).
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@Iggy
You do realize I was kidding right?
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>IBM Xenon 3.2Ghz CPU which is compatible with PowerPC.
You mean the X-Box CPU.This is simular to Cell.the PPC is high clocked, but give less performance /MHZ because its a in order design.benchmarks say the 3,2 GHZ give simular performance as a 1,6 GHZ Athlon.
So should faster as PA6t on single thread, have three full cores, so i think you are right, this CPU is the most powerfull PPC.
I see in wikipedia there is a 45 nm version(so its also modernest chip develop for low power), but there are no TDP Values see and more bad it cant buy in low quantities.
>Also when comparing 68060 to x86 remember Motorola was the first to make a clock >doubled CPU for desktop computers. A 50mhz 060 runs internally at 100mhz.
the 68060 was also a great design.A Intel CPU need on 486 or these days Pentium 1 need 10-20 clockcycles for multiplication the 68060 have a hardware mutliplicator that can multiply 32*32 -> 32 bit result in 2 clock cycles.