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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: persia on June 07, 2010, 09:36:31 PM
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(http://images.macworld.com/images/news/graphics/151816-newiphone2_original.jpg)
Updated design
Apple says the iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick, or 24 percent thinner than the iPhone 3GS. It includes new camera with an LED flash on the black, but a second, front-facing camera as well. There are new volume buttons, a mute button, plus a second microphone on the top for noise cancellation. Just like the iPad, it now incorporates a micro-SIM tray.
Apple has also engineered three integrated antennas into the design: one for Bluetooth, one for WI-Fi and GPS, and one for UMTS and GSM.
Improved display
A new screen technology called a retina display add much higher precision to the iPhone. In fact, at 326 pixels per inch, it’s double the 163 pixels per inch resolution of the iPhone 3GS.
The new display is the same 3.5 inches diagonally, but at 960 by 640 it has four times as many pixels as the previous model. And the 800:1 contrast ratio is also four times that of the iPhone 3GS. It uses the same IPS display technology as the iPad and the iMac for good color fidelity, brightness, and viewing angle.
New processor
Designed by Apple, the A4 chip is tiny and has good power management. Apple went with the micro-SIM design to save space, mostly for a new battery that—coupled with the new chip—Apple says provides 40 percent more talk time. The company says talk time is up from 5 hours to 7 hours; 6 hours of 3G browsing; 10 hours of Wi-Fi browsing; 10 hours of video; 40 hours of music; and 300 hours of standby.
Environmentally, the new iPhone is arsenic free, BFR-free mercury-free, PVC-free, and made from highly recyclable materials.
It comes in sizes up to 32GB of storage (the same as the iPhone 3GS) and includes quad-band HSPDPA/HSUPA networking with a maximum of 7.2Mbps down and 5.8 Mbps up.
“That’s theoretical because the carriers don’t support it yet,” said Jobs.
There’s also 802.11n Wi-Fi wireless networking, an improvement from 802.11g in the previous model.
Gyroscope
The iPhone 4 add a three-axis gyroscope for measuring angular velocity. It can figure out pitch, roll, and yaw; and rotation about gravity. The gyroscope plus the accelerometer provide six-axis motion sensing. There are also new CoreMotion APIs that developers can call for extremely precise position information—ideal for games.
New camera system
The iPhone 4 has a new, 5-megapixel camera with 5x digital zoom and an LED flash. It also adds 720p HD video capture at 30 frames per second. To go along with the new video capabilities, Apple has created a version of its iMovie consumer video-editing application for the iPhone. With it, you can record or edit you videos (and add photos as well). You can add titles, changes themes, and use music from your iTunes library.
iMovie for iPhone will be available for $5—“if we approve it,” Jobs joked, in reference to the App Store.
Video chat
For Jobs’ patented (well, probably not, but it should be) One More Thing moment, he sat down on a chair to show off the iPhone 4’s video chatting capabilities. Using either of the two cameras, you can make video calls—a feature called FaceTime—between iPhone 4 phones over Wi-Fi only—at least through 2010. Jobs said Apple needs to “work a little bit with the cellular providers in the future”. You can switch between cameras and chat in landscape or portait mode.
Pricing and availability
The iPhone 4 will come in black and white, at $199 for 16GB and $299 for 32GB (with the same qualifications and two-year contract with AT&T as in the past). Apple will also add an 8GB iPhone 3GS for $99.
Jobs said that AT&T is going to make “an incredibly generous upgrade offer.” If your contract expires any time in 2010, you’re immediately eligible for that pricing, for up to six months early eligibility. The iPhone 4 will be available from Apple and AT&T’s retail and online stores, as well as at Best Buy and Wal-Mart stores.
The iPhone 4 goes on sale in the U.S., France, Germany, the U.K., and Japan on June 24, with pre-orders starting on June 15. It will ship in 18 more countries in July, in 24 more in August, and in 40 more by the end of September.
Apple also showed off some accessories: a $29 dock and a $29 case called a Bumper that comes inwhite, black, blue, green, orange, or pink.
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Thanks for the macsturbation... oops the info.
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I've been waiting to hear what they were bringing to the table. Unfortunately for Apple, there is nothing in the announcement that makes them a break out product. They are now, even with their newest product, slightly behind their competition. The new phone sounds like a good solid improvement on the 3G, but it still lacks key features.
Apple is now officially off track. The 3G is plenty thin. To get the 4G unnecessarily thinner thy have decided to keep the major flaws of no external memory, and non-replicable battery as well as giving up the ability to basically double the battery size. They have also started to take their abuse of developers as a point of personal pride, or at least laugh them off as a joke. That doesn't bode well for their future market share.
The front facing phone is nice, but that is about all they have on the competition, and if that matters to consumers, we will see it on other phones REALLY quickly.
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Humbug. Apple is the new Microsoft.
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the A4 chip
Ah, the A4 chip again! Only ARM makes it possible!
:)
Looks like an interesting gadget. Pushing the envelope.
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Humbug. Apple is the new Microsoft.
What does that make MicroSoft then?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgls9IwWUyU
that'll be all.
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Ahh.. uses the Retina display.. Um I think some Amiga's have had Retina displays for quite sometime now..huh. I know one of mine has a Retina ZIII card :-)
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What does that make MicroSoft then?
The new Commodore ...
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Bill Gates is way cooler than Steve Jobs!
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What does that make MicroSoft then?
Irrelevant?
As far as being on the forefront of technology anyway. They are still plenty relevant when it comes to sucking people dry that believe they have to be stuck with their same old MS software. Don't get me wrong I don't hate MS. They actually make nice mice. :)
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I'll wait for the AROS port. :p
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Apple says the iPhone 4 is 9.3mm thick, or 24 percent thinner than the iPhone 3GS
Anybody that owns an iPhone knows that one little flaw we try to keep hidden from the world. Battery life is the suck.
I'd rather keep the same thickness and get 24 percent longer battery life.
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Imovie on the iphone?. I wonder how that is going to work?
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Imovie on the iphone?. I wonder how that is going to work?
Not over wifi I guess.
http://gizmodo.com/5557458/watch-the-steve-jobs-keynote-meltdown
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Anybody that owns an iPhone knows that one little flaw we try to keep hidden from the world. Battery life is the suck.
I'd rather keep the same thickness and get 24 percent longer battery life.
I hear that. I have an iPhone from work, and I gave up on carrying it because the battery is so bad that I had to keep a charger everyplace or it would die on me. Of course, maybe the battery has just gone, but I'm not willing to jump through the hoops and risk damaging the phone to open it up since it belongs to work.
The other big secret that no one talks about is how incredibly noisy they are. If there are any speakers near the phone, they start clicking and popping like crazy at random times. And, no, telling everyone on the planet to replace their speakers with shielded speakers so that the iPhone doesn't cause a problem with them is not the answer.
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The battery on my iphone is fine unless it can't find cell service.... It really sucks up the battery when it's constantly looking for a cell signal when your out of range...
The building I work in blocks cell signals so bad that I just turn off the phone when I'm there. If I don't half the battery will drain in 8 hours.....
I hear that. I have an iPhone from work, and I gave up on carrying it because the battery is so bad that I had to keep a charger everyplace or it would die on me. Of course, maybe the battery has just gone, but I'm not willing to jump through the hoops and risk damaging the phone to open it up since it belongs to work.
The other big secret that no one talks about is how incredibly noisy they are. If there are any speakers near the phone, they start clicking and popping like crazy at random times. And, no, telling everyone on the planet to replace their speakers with shielded speakers so that the iPhone doesn't cause a problem with them is not the answer.
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Maybe my comment is a silly one but... really this forum is about amiga users? Two pages in some hours just for the "new" iphone, other for the "great" ipad (iphone xl?). Kill the interest about this forum.
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Maybe my comment is a silly one but... really this forum is about amiga users? Two pages in some hours just for the "new" iphone, other for the "great" ipad (iphone xl?). Kill the interest about this forum.
Yes, you are silly - this is under "other operating systems".
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I find the battery life also depends on how much you use the wifi, it's a pain but it really saves battery life if you turn off wifi when you are not using it. Yeah, I'd have gone with a bigger battery rather than a thinner case too.
The flash on the camera, the front facing camera, 5 MP all make sense, but why didn't they do them last year?
Will I get one in a year when my contract with vodaphone expires? You betcha...
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Looks like a pretty good upgrade. HD screen and video is nice. I'm waiting to see how the multitasking works (and how it affects battery life). My contract is up at the end of the year and I need to decide. Stay with my current CDMA carrier and go with an Android or Windows Phone 7, or suffer with AT&T and get an Iphone. (AT&T sucks here and the fact that iPhone itself gets bad reception doesn't help, of course then there is the fact that it appears they have eliminated all unlimited data plans which might be the last straw.)
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I have both an iPhone and and Android. My original Android was the MyTouch 3G. I have to say that the phone was a little underpowered for the OS. It was still a great phone, and I liked it a little better than the iPhone, but it was a tough call. Using a class 6 SD card made a huge difference, as well as rooting it and putting on cynogen's OS image helped. With both changes, the hardware is just enough. I suspect that when 2.2 rolls out, it will make the hardware plenty adequet, and better than an iPhone 3G.
I recently passed my MyTouch on to my son, and upgraded to a Nexus One. Hands down it is a better phone than the iPhone. The only piece that I miss is that Lotus Traveler is not available for it yet. Given the specs of the iPhone 4, I don't see it blowing the Nexus One out of the water, and since there is a continuous stream on new Android hardware being released, I don't hold much hope for iPhone's future.
Earlier in the thread, someone claimed that Apple was the new Microsoft. It would be better to describe Apple as the new Apple, and Google as the new Microsoft. Apple is taking the same path that they did with the Mac. They produced a very good product that is a fine integration between hardware and software. They deny their failings, thus continuing on with them, and expect people to just assume that they are better. This compared to their competition which produces an OS that starts out kludgier, but keeps refining itself until it is better than Apples offerings. At the same time leaving dozens of other companies to push the hardware limits past what a single company can accomplish on their own.
Oh, and I can play Amiga games on my Nexus One without having to void the warranty.
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With the disclaimer that the company I work for does customer service for Sprint, but the Evo looks like a more interesting device than this, plus you can actually have unlimited data, rather than paying extra past 2 gigs, which is AT&T's setup going forward.
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Anybody that owns an iPhone knows that one little flaw we try to keep hidden from the world. Battery life is the suck.
I'd rather keep the same thickness and get 24 percent longer battery life.
Suck being the operative word. They drain so quickly under full usage that they nearly turn inside out...
Gertsy
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Suck being the operative word. They drain so quickly under full usage that they nearly turn inside out...
Gertsy
To be fair, If you just use the iPhone as a phone it has great battery life... It's when you start surfing the net, playing games and watching movies, that's when it really sucks the battery... And the situation is identical on the NexusONE (the only android phone I have regular access to)... All smart phones are at the mercy of battery physics.
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To be fair, If you just use the iPhone as a phone it has great battery life... It's when you start surfing the net, playing games and watching movies, that's when it really sucks the battery... And the situation is identical on the NexusONE (the only android phone I have regular access to)... All smart phones are at the mercy of battery physics.
Have to agree. If I use my Nokia N900 for anyhting on top of phonning im lucky if it lasts the day.
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I thought this was an Amiga site? No one here should give a tinker's damn about anything Apple related. Even in Apple world, the iPhone should be at the bottom of the list.
WHO CARES!
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I thought this was an Amiga site? No one here should give a tinker's damn about anything Apple related. Even in Apple world, the iPhone should be at the bottom of the list.
WHO CARES!
I suggest you look which forum this is posted in. Shock people who have an interest in Amigas have an interest in other technology and god forbid other subjects.
Get over it. Get fed up of people going this is not Amiga related.
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I thought this was an Amiga site? No one here should give a tinker's damn about anything Apple related. Even in Apple world, the iPhone should be at the bottom of the list.
WHO CARES!
I don't really think it is an "Amiga" website as much as it is an "Amiga Community" website.
That being the case, many people in this nerdy Amiga community also, shockingly, like plain nerdy technology in general.
This is posted in the "Alternative Operating Systems" forum. If you want to read about just Amiga WHY are you in here? Alternative in this case meaning specifically a forum for "Not Amiga Operating Systems".
There are many other forums here too:
Politics
Philosophy and Religion
Entertainment
Science and Technology
etc...
Would post in there telling people not to discuss politics and only Amiga stuff?
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I think they are mad cause "Alternative Operating Systems" post appear on the main page. Though I'm not sure why they would click in and comment on a thread called "iphone 4" if they have no interest in it?
I don't really think it is an "Amiga" website as much as it is an "Amiga Community" website.
That being the case, many people in this nerdy Amiga community also, shockingly, like plain nerdy technology in general.
This is posted in the "Alternative Operating Systems" forum. If you want to read about just Amiga WHY are you in here? Alternative in this case meaning specifically a forum for "Not Amiga Operating Systems".
There are many other forums here too:
Politics
Philosophy and Religion
Entertainment
Science and Technology
etc...
Would post in there telling people not to discuss politics and only Amiga stuff?
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The problem is when are so many apple related post with more traffic than the amiga posts.
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Then don't read the alt os group. I try to be careful and post things in appropriate places and this one is in an appropriate spot.
That aside, I've been told by Vodafone I can upgrade in March next year, so I just have to be patient.
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I'm open to all platforms - no discrimination :)
but... mine is two tin cans and a wire, allows all sort of plugins (bunny ears ?)
tom UK.. wondering how people get exiting about a phone ?? maybe I'm getting old :/
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No locked untouchable iPhone ever for me, my nokia N97 works just fine and QWERTY for the win, tho with lack of acess to the framebuffer etc and restrictions when coding for sysmbian I guess im going for the N900 with linux next :)
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To be fair, If you just use the iPhone as a phone it has great battery life... It's when you start surfing the net, playing games and watching movies, that's when it really sucks the battery... And the situation is identical on the NexusONE (the only android phone I have regular access to)... All smart phones are at the mercy of battery physics.
Certainly my Nexus One has battery issues as well. These devices are not really as much phones as they are Personal Computers with some phone features. That being said, my Nexus One has noticeably better battery life than my iPhone 3G ever had, and the battery in my iPhone is showing it's age. Even when left in sleep mode it will not last through a work day without being plugged in. If I could just pop the back off and put in a new battery I would unfortunately, when it comes to replacing batteries, "Just Works" simply doesn't apply to Apple.
The big complaint with the iPhone 4 though is besides the continued flaw of not being able to replace the battery, Apple decided that shaving a 1/4 inch of the previously acceptable thickness was more important than having the phone last the whole day without needing to be charged. If they had left the same form factor, they could have doubled the size of the battery.
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tom UK.. wondering how people get exiting about a phone ?? maybe I'm getting old :/
I said the same thing when a phone was a phone. That really isn't the case anymore. These are full fledged personal computers that just happen to have phone calls as one of the features. You can even run your Amiga software on the Android devices. I'm sure you can on the 'i' devices as well if your willing to void your warranty.
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The tech' industry is all about mindshare, Apple has done an amaizing job of gaining it in a very short space of time. Full credit to them and shame on their competition.
The best part for consumer's is Apple's strong position makes other companies try harder to produce more featureful products for less money as they cant compete with Apple on cool factor.
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Apple consistently is able to articulate their vision and demonstrate it to their customers. Before Apple there were apps for mobile devices, after Apple people started actually buying them. They created a device that jus worked, a simple consistent user interface.
And, this is important, a device that is both the ultimate (so you buy it) and penultimate (so you expect more) device.
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Just installed the iOS 4 Gold master, apple might have been late to the party with multitasking and folders (two things I've complained about since OS 2)... But they are the best dressed ;)
In all seriousness, the new os has pretty much fixed any gripes I had with it... Time to look for other things that annoy me :)
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Humbug. Apple is the new Microsoft.
That's what I'm thinking too since some time...
Its arrogance and snobbish style is getting me nervous and nervous.
It was also in the past (I remember the iMac TV ad for Internet connection: "...uh, uh, uh... there is no step three..." aaaargh!), but now it's going far beyond.
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Hmm...I wonder if it will run OS4.... :python:
;)
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Just installed the iOS 4 Gold master, apple might have been late to the party with multitasking and folders (two things I've complained about since OS 2)... But they are the best dressed ;)
The iOS springboard while really simple and usable is looking REALLY dated now.
Currently, I'd say Palm's webOS UI is the "best dressed". Unfortunately with the purchase of Palm by HP we may never see more advanced mobile devices using it (but it will probably be used on printers, yay :().
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The iOS springboard while really simple and usable is looking REALLY dated now.
Currently, I'd say Palm's webOS UI is the "best dressed". Unfortunately with the purchase of Palm by HP we may never see more advanced mobile devices using it (but it will probably be used on printers, yay :().
Totally agree, springboard was looking VERY dated but the iOS4 manages to freshen the whole interface while still keeping the simplicity that I have grown fond of (I do find the android a bit fiddly).
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I lost interest in it when I saw how closed the system is. Do you still have to buy a Mac to be able to develop for it ? Are you still limited to only being able to sell software for it through Apple store ? I'm asking but I'm sure the answer to those questions is still yes.
At least M$ Oses allow more freedom for the devs.
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That can be right! I remember Jobs spouting that Apple wouldn't use adobe products like flash because they weren't open like Apple is....
Ohh how I chuckled.
The biggest open platform in apple is Accounts Receivable.
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I do find the android a bit fiddly.
I have heard a couple of people make this claim. I don't see it. What is fiddly about the android interface. Other than having a drag to garbage instead of an X on each icon, and Androids ability to show only the icons you want shown on your desktop, what is the difference? I really do ask in all sincerity.
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What is fiddly about the android interface.
Maybe the one bloodline was playing with this had this app installed! http://www.androlib.com/android.application.wsv-slayton-twwm.aspx
I've used both the iPhone and Android (recently switched from Windows Mobile to Android, actually,) and while Android provides a much better UI than WM does, the iPhone is still simpler to navigate. (Though my iPhone experience is limited to unlocking a couple for coworkers.)
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As regards the battery, yes the iPhone one sucks - most phones with a full-sized touchscreen tend to suffer from that. But as has been said before, why couldn't they keep the same thickness as the 3G and potentially double the battery life? It seems crazy to me! But then again, battery life is something that I like in a phone, and one of the many things that swayed me to my current one: I can use WiFi, internet, Bluetooth, YouTube, Skype and all that regularly and still get at least a week out of my battery. Granted, it's a "classic" small-screen & keypad phone, and I don't leave apps running in the background unless I have to...
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I lost interest in it when I saw how closed the system is. Do you still have to buy a Mac to be able to develop for it ? Are you still limited to only being able to sell software for it through Apple store ? I'm asking but I'm sure the answer to those questions is still yes.
At least M$ Oses allow more freedom for the devs.
Ummm... Are you sure about that? Last time I checked, you had to buy a PC and a copy of Windows to develop for it. The only reason that doesn't seem strange is that most people already have a PC and a copy or 2 of Windows, whereas not everybody has a Mac.
Although I might be mistaken... Have MS released Visual Studio for the Mac? Or for Linux?
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As regards the battery, yes the iPhone one sucks - most phones with a full-sized touchscreen tend to suffer from that. But as has been said before, why couldn't they keep the same thickness as the 3G and potentially double the battery life?
Because you are buying into the Apple lifestyle, style and looks are paramount for Apple designers.
Having a larger battery would be less 'futuristic' and 'cutting edge' looking so they compromise, make it thinner with a lower capacity battery to give the impression it is technologically superior in all ways to the previous one and bingo...sales carry on at the top of the charts with the new 'improved' 'latest technology' iPhone ;)
I do have a full sized touch screen phone, battery lasts 5 days and it uses Symbian OS...do I really care if it's 1/2 cm thicker than an iPhone? Nope and it's been around longer than iPhone anyway and worked forever in gruelling conditions like an AK47 lol
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true, that's what it's about... But still, my phone (also running Symbian) is only 9.9mm thick, and has an excellent battery life if you're gentle with it - if I don't use it for anything other than the odd call and text I'll get close to 2 weeks from it. :)
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Ummm... Are you sure about that? Last time I checked, you had to buy a PC and a copy of Windows to develop for it. The only reason that doesn't seem strange is that most people already have a PC and a copy or 2 of Windows, whereas not everybody has a Mac.
Although I might be mistaken... Have MS released Visual Studio for the Mac? Or for Linux?
Nope, you could write your code on your Amiga, and instruct your users to run your software using the WinUAE virtual machine. You do not need Windows to write software that will run on Windows machines. You need a Mac to write software that will run on the iPhone.
There is one exception though... The javascript interpreter is the one place that you can write software for the iPhone without a Mac.
You can also sell your software anywhere you want with a Windows PC, the same is not true with the iPhone.
For developer freedom, Windows beats iPhone hands down.
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Maybe the one bloodline was playing with this had this app installed! http://www.androlib.com/android.application.wsv-slayton-twwm.aspx
I've used both the iPhone and Android (recently switched from Windows Mobile to Android, actually,) and while Android provides a much better UI than WM does, the iPhone is still simpler to navigate. (Though my iPhone experience is limited to unlocking a couple for coworkers.)
I am still looking for an example of this simpler navigation. Dumping every single installed app onto the desktop certainly isn't easier navigation.
As far as I can tell, the iPhone is like the Mac... A slightly worse UI than it's competition, but a reputation that convinces people it must be better.
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@Belial6
Yes, I guess in relation to the iPhone, it is way too closed for developers. My mistake, I thought you were talking about Macs in general... However, I'm one of those people that thinks in general the Mac UI is far nicer to use than Windows. I wouldn't call myself an Apple fan (I've never paid more than €26 for a Mac) and I've never owned an iPod or iPhone, but I think OSX is lovely to navigate and use in every day terms. It's down to a matter of taste, I mean some people just love Windows, but you can't claim that it's "slightly worse" as a fact - it's just your opinion too.