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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Mouse on November 24, 2003, 04:29:50 PM
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What about 3D software :-?
There are many available for classic Amiga such as Lightwave, Real3D and Imagine.
Should any of these be converted to the AmigaOne hardware :-?
I personal prefer Real3D, I found it easy to use and the final image of good quality, it would be a shame to have to boot up my A1200 or emulate it to use any of the above. :-(
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That's a damn good question my friend.
Nobody knows :-(
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Check out the list (http://yourdreamnet.co.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/OS4_Applications).
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Great! first time I've actually seen that list! :-)
One question though,.... what is the compliance of gcc with C++. Since I'm an OO/C++ programmer at heart. (ducks sharp objects been thrown:-) )
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Cool I`ve never seen that list either.
I`m a Lightwave fan myself. So I`d like to see that back on the Amiga again. Realsoft3D will eventually be ported by Hyperion though. I just hope that comes to something. I`ll settle with that easily. Imagine should be good too. I`ll just have to use prehistoric versions of Lightwave until then.
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I never tried Lightwave.
Love Cinema4D though. I'd like to see that make a modern day return.
FuZion.
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If I'd got Three choices, they would be:
1.LightWave 3D
2.LightWave 3D
3.LightWave 3D
I'd be a travesty if LightWave didn't come back to its place of birth.
Anyone unfamiliar with LightWave may care to visit the WaveGuide site (click 'WWW' below) for inspiration.
Cheers,
JaX
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I prefer Caligari and Lightwave.
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JaXanim wrote:
If I'd got Three choices, they would be:
1.LightWave 3D
2.LightWave 3D
3.LightWave 3D
I'd be a travesty if LightWave didn't come back to its place of birth.
I seriously doubt a Lightwave port will occur for the Amiga One. First of all though Newtek has done paid ports before (SUN), Amiga Inc has no money so there is no financing for it, and frankly its not in Hyperions interest to fund it (since they are doing Real 3D) and I dont think Eyetech can/will fund it either. Its possible that the MorphOS port of Aladdin could be moved over, but there would have to be significant sales of OS 4.0, to convince the principals that its a money making proposition to make the effort worthwhile,
-Tig
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@mouse
I personal prefer Real3D
http://www.realsoft.com/cgi-bin/news/print?gid=33&uid=79
thought I'd provide a useful link
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Its possible that the MorphOS port of Aladdin could be moved over
MorphOS port of Aladdin? The first time I heard that.
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Real3D will be ported for sure, it's a good app. but it will not really impress any pro users, for that you need one of the big four : Softimage, Maya, 3D Studio Max or Lightwave. The last one originated on the Amiga and it would be great to see it return. There used to be a time Newtek supported just about every platform available, now they just support Windows and Mac platforms. In short, I don't see it happen unless the new Amiga's are a BIG success. One can always hope...
Realistically though Real3D will be the 3D app for now.
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Unless the AmigaOne is a big success, unless serious apps like LightWave, etc do eventually get ported over, then the platform will never achieve the global recognition and acceptance everybody around here hopes for. It will undoubtedly take years.
Apps like Real3D, Calligary, Imagine, etc. are never gonna cut it in the big bad 3D word out there. These will obviously be great for Amiga stalwarts, but growth comes from successful competition and the A1 will have to do better than these to really make a difference.
Cheers,
JaX
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I agree that we need at least one of the big boys,but they have pretty much restricted themselves to Windows and Mac.I don't think it will happen.
Imagine/Real3D won't make it on their current incarnations,but they may be very good low/mid range options(in features and price).
We can't expect the big companies to go crazy and start losing time producing software for a small/unknown market,so we have to be happy with "lesser" programs.
Not everyone needs or is willing to pay for Maya or 3DS Max, so there is a niche for enthusiasts.
My bet is Imagine,which I already use. A specific A1 version would make me drool...
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real 3d and Lightwave is the only ones that will make me happy, imagine aint good at all + have a crappy gui...
and since real3d is comming for os4/a1... well i am more than happy :)
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Lightwave RULLLEEEEZZZZZZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I believe that Blender is currently being ported for MOS, and I think they will do it for OS4
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Hooligan_DCS wrote:
Its possible that the MorphOS port of Aladdin could be moved over
MorphOS port of Aladdin? The first time I heard that.
Amazing the things I post and am probably not supposed to when its late at night :-) .
-Tig
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Lightwave is one of the reasons I use this XP box.
Once OS4 is available, I'm going to try out Screamernet on the A1 against the Toaster/Flyer box, but it won't replace the features I've grown to love with LW 7.5.
Do any of the Morphos/Pegasos owners also use Lightwave on an Amiga? You could try Screamernet and let us know how well it works.
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@Mouse
I personal prefer Real3D, I found it easy to use
Well that was the Amiga version. HAve you ever looked at the actual version of Real 3D??? There's a demo available for Win PCs.
It has many many features and the rendered pictures are some of the best I have seen (see the galery on the homepage).
REAL 3D is a real raytracer where as the other progs are calculating the images by preset methods.
You can see this with pictures with lot of different glasses and lights.
When Real 3D was released some years ago all NON real raytracers were so great. In the meantime this has changed a lot.
I really hope Hyperion will port the actual PC WIN/LINUX Version of Real 3D.
I also would like to see CINEMA 4D back on the A1.
This programme is used by most TV stations in Europe.
It very fast on G5 MACs and Silicon GFX LINUX render farms :-)
Some people here are looking for MAYA and Co. but these programs are way too expensive.
So why not port the free BLENDER (http://www.blender.org) programm to the A1?
Is now available for MAC OS X too.
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mbilla wrote:
Well that was the Amiga version. HAve you ever looked at the actual version of Real 3D??? There's a demo available for Win PCs.
It has many many features and the rendered pictures are some of the best I have seen (see the galery on the homepage).
REAL 3D is a real raytracer where as the other progs are calculating the images by preset methods.
You can see this with pictures with lot of different glasses and lights.
I'm sorry, virtually everyone raytraces these days and have for quite a long time. Are you reading really old docs or are people really telling you this. Lightwave won the technical award this year for the Emmys, as well as being used for the special effects in 7 of the 9 nominees in the two catagories and both of the eventual winners. Last year all the nominees were lightwave based. Comparing Real3D to lightwave 3D is pretty unfair to Real 3D, as would comparing either of the other 2 major 3D programs or even 3DS Max to it.
-Tig
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SyrTran wrote:
Lightwave is one of the reasons I use this XP box.
Lightwave is the reason I bought my first windows box, and basically never looked back for 3D work. I still remember that Pentium 100 rendering frame after frame 10X faster then my stock 040 4000 the day it came in and realizing that there was no way I was going to be able to go back to 1/10 the speed for my 3D work.
Do any of the Morphos/Pegasos owners also use Lightwave on an Amiga? You could try Screamernet and let us know how well it works.
I've had a copy of Amiga Lightwave 5.0 running on Wayne's Pegasos under MorphOS, if I get a chance I'll see if we cant try Screamernet on it over this long weekend. Am I going to have to put an old version of my intel version on a PC, or will Screamernet from 7.5 talk to Amiga 5.0 screamernet?? I may have never tried a mixed version screamernet before.
-Tig
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@SamuraiCrow
Cool!
Such a cool page, that i`ve made a link to it from my site....
(er, if you don`t mind)
:-D Strength and honour.
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I don't mind. It's not my site anyway, I just cross-posted the link from another thread. ;-)
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Tigger wrote:
I've had a copy of Amiga Lightwave 5.0 running on Wayne's Pegasos under MorphOS, if I get a chance I'll see if we cant try Screamernet on it over this long weekend. Am I going to have to put an old version of my intel version on a PC, or will Screamernet from 7.5 talk to Amiga 5.0 screamernet?? I may have never tried a mixed version screamernet before.
-Tig
Well, the rendering core of Screamernet is the same as in Lightwave proper, so it appears that it could work.
What I was wondering was if the 68k emulation under MorphOS (and eventually AOS4) would run the Amiga Screamernet program, and, if so, how does it compare to native 68k (mine's an 060/50)?*. I have a couple scenes that use FlyerClips for background images, and separating those into individual IFFs to run on the PC and then reassembling the output back into FlyerClips takes quite a bit of time. I'm hoping that it's faster just reading/writing the FlyerClips across the network.
I haven't tried cross-version Screamernet either. I'm a little worried something could get ruined. I was under the impression that there were changes to the scene file somewhere between 5.0 and 7.0.
* Note - I'm assuming that render speeds on MorphOS/Pegasos and AOS4/A1 will be roughly equal.
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One question though,.... what is the compliance of gcc with C++. Since I'm an OO/C++ programmer at heart. (ducks sharp objects been thrown )
G++ 3.x is one of the most ISO compliant C++ compilers in the world. 2.95 isn't as great, but it's still a good compiler.
Hope this helps.