Amiga.org
Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Retrofan on May 12, 2010, 03:30:11 PM
-
Hello:
I've got a Sandisk Ultra (not Ultra II) CF card with 16Gb, and I'm trying to use it as HD. As in the CF HD I was using I have installed OS 3.9, I installed the new CF and booted it with the 3.9 Emergency Disk.
In HdtoolBox when I open it appears Device: carddisk.device, and version 40.1 . If I select ok it doesn't give any option, only Exit.
If I use the old CF-HD with os 3.9 and put the new through PCMCIA, it appears at the screen as C0C6-293C, and I can open it with 0% full, 14.9Gb free, 14.9mb in use.
If I open PrepCard and try to Prepare as a Disk or Prepare as System Ram, it says "Unable to prepare card: Card is write-protected".
If I try to format it doesn't pass 0% and the window closes.
Please tell me: is there a way I can use it or perhaps this model isn't compatible with the Amiga?
Thanks
-
Carddisk.device is for the PCMCIA port only. In order to use a CF card as harddrive you need to connect it to the IDE port. The IDE port is accessed through scsi.device.
PrepCard does not do anything with CF cards. It is for SRAM cards only. And it is for PCMCIA only, too.
If you insist in connecting the CF card to the PCMCIA port, you could try to install compactflash.device from Aminet (cfd.lha) and choose this in HDToolbox. But it is not meant to be used this way. And you cannot boot from PCMCIA of course.
-
Hi:
Yes, I know and I don't want to use it as Pcmcia. Only connected it later to it to see if I could do something. For example I discovered I can make a Quick Format, but nothing is better now.
I usually use another CF connected to IDE without problems.
The Carddisk.device is what Hdtoolbox finds with the CF connected to Ide, not to Pcmcia. Strangely if I try with the Hdtoolbox installed in the "Emergency-Boot" icon, it only detects my internal Cd rom, but if I use the program installed in the floppy disk is when it finds the same plus the Carddisk.device...¿?. Now I have connected again to ide the new 16Gb one, but what can I do if it doesn't let me do anything?
-
Hi:
I'm trying with the Install disk of the Workbench 3.1, using Hdtools, and it seems it works better. I will tell...
-
Remember that you can only use the first 4GB of the drive with OS 3.1. HDtoolbox will let you create partitions in the first 8GB, but if you use them, it will do strange things / corrupt / crash / loose all data.
-
That's what I was going to ask.
With the Install disk of the WB 3.1 I have made the partitions. Later with the Emergency disk of the os3.9 it didn't let me make the format, but I could again with the Install disk.
I've heard with OS3.9 which I'm going to install there's no problem making big partitions, but too that's no good to make them with more than 4gb.
I would have a problem too making them bigger, as with the HDTools of the Install disk I can't make them bigger than 4gb. I don't know if I would have to make the partitions and the formats and later try to make them again with the HDTools of the os3.9 if it lets me.
The thing is I'm not sure how to make those partitions. I've made 6, but still only have formated one. I'm waiting now for an answer.
DH0: "System": 400 mb (Bootable)
DH1: "Work": 1GB
DH2: "Apps": 2GB
DH3: "Games I": 4GB
DH4: "Games II": 4 GB
DH5: "Music": 4 GB
All aproximately.
Don't they seem too much partitions?
What do you recommend to d:confused:?
-
Don't they seem too much partitions?
What do you recommend to d:confused:?
As I have 8 partitions on my main A1200 machine, I don't think so :)
-
Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. I will format them and I will install first the Sys 4 Aga archives and later the os3.9
By the way, what I thought is what people seems to be doing: to format it under 4gb, install the OS3.9 and format again to a bigger partition. This is a post I found:
"I first made an SFS partition under 4GB, then installed 3.9, then I used 3.9's HDToolBox and made two partition on 10GB each."
I would like to know what others think about making 6 partitions or less bigger...
-
I'm running 3.9 with SFS and an 8GB Ultra 2. I've only got 4 partitions and that seems to work quite nicely.
-
Thanks. I would like to hear about people having more than 4GB in a partition and having problems (them in special, as there must be less) or recommending it.
-
If both the IDE driver and the file system support large harddrives, you can make partitions as big as you like.
As I said above, the driver of OS 3.1 can only see the first 4GB of the drive. 4GB of the drive, not 4GB partitions!! So on your CF with OS 3.1 you can use dh0, dh1 and dh2. With OS 3.9 you should be able to make an 8GB games partitions without problems.
In any case, do not use full format, always use quick. Never fully format a hard drive, it only produces hot air. Never ever fully format a flash memory storage, it significiantly reduces its live time and does nothing but produce hot air.
-
If both the IDE driver and the file system support large harddrives, you can make partitions as big as you like.
As I said above, the driver of OS 3.1 can only see the first 4GB of the drive. 4GB of the drive, not 4GB partitions!! So on your CF with OS 3.1 you can use dh0, dh1 and dh2. With OS 3.9 you should be able to make an 8GB games partitions without problems.
In any case, do not use full format, always use quick. Never fully format a hard drive, it only produces hot air. Never ever fully format a flash memory storage, it significiantly reduces its live time and does nothing but produce hot air.
So out of interest why is full format available?
-
So out of interest why is full format available?
For floppy disks.
There is no format command in SCSI / ATA command set. Format is translated to write for these devices. Full format just writes junk to each and every block of the partition. You can use this before you sell a harddrive which had sensible data on it. But it is of no use for a new drive.
-
Please I need some help:
I get to install AmisgaSys 4, install the cd rom and install the os 3.9, but after that the Amiga doesn't boot. I've tried to install WB 3.1 and later os3.9 and happens the same. I have to start it using the 3.1 install disk again.
I believe the problem can be in a bad configuration of the partitions of the HD. I used the ones it found, but I believe they are wrong. The CF has 16GB and this is what it found and what I used:
Cylinders: 31029
Heads: 16
Block per track: 63
Block per cylinder: 1008
Park head where (cylinder): 31029
Size: -1139104K (-1112 Meg)
Please can anybody tell me which should be such data?
I believe I can have any kind of conflict with that...:(
Perhaps I should have read more carefully your advice (really I have read the last two now). I used all the 16gb making 4 partitions. Shall I make only for example two partitions with a total minor than 4gb and after that installing os3.9 and make partitions again? I'm thinking yes...
But what sizes of Heads... and the others shall I use/put?
-
What I don't know how to do is if I have the HD with 2 partitions and I get os3.9 installed, how do I change the partitions without loosing all the installed programs?
(I know it's a software post, but it was started as a possible hardware problem)
-
31,029 * 1,008 * 512 = 16,013,942,784 Bytes
Looks ok to me. You know, HDtoolbox cannot display anything above 2GB correctly, hence the negative number. Nothing to worry about.
-
Thank you Thomas. And how do I do to make the partitions again when I will have the 3.9 installed, making them over it? I mean, if I make the partitions I loose all the information. How can I put it again?
Perhaps making a copy in the Pcmcia and fulling them again?
Or there is a way to add 3 partitions and let the ones installed as they are?
-
Partitions which you don't touch will remain valid. Only changed partitions need to be formatted.
If you want to change the size of a partition without loosing files, you have to backup all data, change the size, format and then copy back the backup. You can use any backup medium you like which has enough space. Another CF card in the PCMCIA slot is fine.
-
I don't understand what happens. I've already made only two partitions:
DH0, System, bootable, with 401Mb, and
DH1, Apps, with 2207 Mb,
installed AmigaSys 4 Aga, the cd rom and have installed again OS3.9. It finishes installation and after that... nothing! No boot... What I'm doing wrong?
-
Swtich off the Amiga, then hold down both mouse buttons and switch it on again. In the early startup menu click on "boot without startup-sequence". Now enter
cd devs
rename "amigaos rom update" "amigaos rom update.disabled"
wait a few seconds until disk activity is finished, then reboot.
-
Sorry, I have no idea of AmigaDos. After the startup without startup-sequence I get to AmigaDos.
I've written both commands exactly as you said and it doesn't boot.
I've done it right because if I make it again it says :
Can't rename amigaos rom update as amigaos rom update.disabled because object not found
-
and have installed again OS3.9.
The AmigaOS ROM Update is a part of OS 3.9. If you installed 3.9 correctly, then the file should be in the Devs directory.
BTW, is AmigaSys supposed to be updated by OS 3.9 at all? Most of those all-in-one packages are so badly changed compared to original AmigaOS that OS updates don't work any more.
-
I'm going to try to install 3.1, cd and 3.9 alone to see how it goes. I can reinstall ASys later.
-
It's done and doesn't boot. Used the commands again and nothing...
It has to be a problem with the partitions, or what?
-
I've been reading and it seems I have to use the Smart File System archive to manage the HD...?
-
It's done and doesn't boot. Used the commands again and nothing...
It has to be a problem with the partitions, or what?
It sounds to me, when you created the partitions, that you did not tick the box that says "bootable".
[/] Bootable
-
Hi, I'm back here.
Yes I did and if I open it with the Install disk I can see with HDtools it's marked bootable.
I read this somewhere:
"Fixed it
I have my 60 giga harddrive running on the 1200..
used a 2.5. > 3.5 convertor and formated the hd on Amigaforever on the pc.
Then a installed Os3.9 from cd on the A1200.
Runs like a charm now (http://amiga.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) At last...
I have now 3 partitions dh0: FFS 1giga, DH1: SFS 1giga and DH2: SFS 53,9 giga"
I'm going to try now, although have no idea
-
I coudn't with Amiga Forever (I believe he was meaning WinUAE, but I don't know how).
I've tried too with the SFS system. I made two partitions with less than 4gb with the ordinary system, and another 3 ones with 4GB each with SFS system. When I get to install 3.1 I only see the first two ones.
After booting I get problems: first there was no hd, and after a reboot it was again, and it booted with a wrong screen saying I had 0kb free in the system one... I was trying to make a copy of the content to format it and full it again, but the system crashed again. If I start the Amiga with the Install disk and go to HDtools, doesn't appear any HD...
I believe I would need some good advice...:rtfm:
-
I'm trying another way: I've tried making three partitions with less than 4 gb all together with the WB 3.1 install disk: DH0 400mb, DH1 1GB and DH2 2GB, and made an Emergency Disk for os3.9 with the other HD.
The thing is when I start it and try to open DH0 it crashes.
With the Emergency Disk I have access to the CD, but if I try to install 3.9 over the Hd it fails when I select where (DH0).
If I open the HDtools of the 3.9 Emergency Disk, there are 3 things:
atapi.device
cardisk.device
scsi.device
If I select cardisk the only button it lets me use is EXIT.
How can I do it, please?
-
When will you learn that carddisk.device cannot be used for harddrives?
-
Yes, you told me, but I don't understand well: do you mean that this model of CF isn't compatible with the Amiga as HD (as I asked from the beginning) or are you telling it has to be changed somehow?
-
HDtoolbox always makes it go awry :hammer:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/hdinst
Suggest you use that to setup any HDD or CF larger than 4GB with OS3.X
-
Thank you, I will try it, but please Thomas tell me what I asked, if it's incompatible or can be changed... I don't want to spend about 5 hours like yesterday if it can't be done...
-
carddisk.device is the name of a driver for RAM cards. RAM! It has nothing to do with CompactFlash. Nothing! Why are you so magically pulled towards carddisk.device when you see it? There is also atapi.device which is similarly unrelated. You never selected atapi.device, so why do you always select carddisk.device?
Connect your new CF card to the IDE bus, run HDToolbox, select scsi.device. s c s i . d e v i c e !!!! If it sees the disk and lets you create partitions on it, then it's compatible, otherwise it's not. That's all.
In order to transfer data from the old CF card to the new one download cfd.lha from Aminet, unpack it and copy compactflash.device to the Devs directory. Connect the old CF card to the PCMCIA bus and run OS3.9's Mounter utility, select compactflash.device (compactflash, not carddisk!!), and mount one or more partitions.
-
"Why are you so magically pulled towards carddisk.device when you see it? There is also atapi.device which is similarly unrelated. You never selected atapi.device, so why do you always select carddisk.device?"
Thanks, Thomas. The answer is very easy. I have 3 options:
Atapi.device, cardisk.device and scsi.device
- If I select atapi.device what appears is Drive: TSSTcorpCDW/DVD TS-L462DHS02. That's my internal CD rom
- If I select scsi.device what appears is Drive: TSSTcorpCDW/DVD TS-L462DH02, so my internal CD rom again
As you must understand what rests is carddisk.device, so I'm not magically pulled towards it...
So the answer is it isn't compatible, that was what I asked from the beginning, isn't it?
-
I cannot tell you if it's compatible or not. Your answers are so confusing. You change your opinion from one post to the other. You didn't stop talking about carddisk.device, so I got the impression that you don't know what you are doing. Then you talked about having created partitions, so it must have worked at some point. Now it's not recognised any more. Maybe it's damaged because you removed and put it back so often. Perhaps it does not sit correctly in its slot. Perhaps it has become too slow. I read at least once that someone experienced the so-called "slow spin-up" problem with a CF card after writing some data to it. Also it's known that CF cards don't work with IDEfix software. You have to apply patches to IDEfix if you use it in conjunction with a CF card.
-
Sorry if I confuse you. If I say that carddisk.device doesn't let me do anything isn't because I haven't tried the others, I'm not so stupid.
I tell what happens with all the ways I've tried. I'm not inventing nothing. If you find two post in which I say different things, please tell me.
Anyway, I'm grateful you're trying to help me...
Sorry if I don't know much about software.
What you say about Idefix and the CF is VERY interesting, because now I'm trying with the HDInstall tool @Buzzfuzz told and I've made 4 partitions, Games with 8gb, but when I boot the Amiga with the os3.9 emergency disk it crashes just after it asks me if I will install Idefix, and thinking on it the Amiga always crashed after installing os3.9, but before that (without booting) I had installed Idefix (and the cd with the os). I'm going to try the patch, I believe it can work...
-
Now I'm sure the problem isn't anything I've done: the problem is with Idefix97. I've seen it allways crashes after installing it.
I must find a patch for it. I found one (Idefix_patches), but I'm not sure how to use it.
There's too another solution: to set the CF as Fixed instead of removable. For that I should use ATCFWCHG.COM, which I've downloaded from http://www.floutsch.com/pub/download/ATCFWCHG.COM
The thing is that for that I would need to set the CF as master on the primary IDE or on the secundary, but I don't know how to put my Generic-Multi-Card USB device as that. Does anybody know?
-
Well, I've managed to install OS3.9 without using the CD rom and without installing Idefix. I've got 4 partitions running, one with 8gb.
The thing is I don't know what to do to use the os3.9 scsi.device instead of idefix to detect and use the cdrom.
Can anybody tell me, please?
-
Hi:
I don't want to be tedious, as I've been with this thing for a complete week. I have the partitions working with Smart File System and could install OS3.9 and Boing Bag 1 recording the OS3.9 cd on the PCMCIA and using a simply comand Thomas gave in another thread:
assign AmigaOS3.9: NameofthePCMCIACF:Nameoftheos3.9archive
The thing is I can't use the internal CD rom without IDEfix. There's a patch for it, http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches
which I would like to use, but my IDEfix97 version doesn't work. If I try to use the patches it says Idefix hasn't changed and that the patchs are for another version.
What I'm asking here is if someone could send me a mail with the neccesary Idefix program. It must be version 119.17 (08.12.00), as it says at the Aminet page, althought perhaps could bee too version 119.4 (11.08.98), because Doobrey says that in another place.
As you must understand IDEfix only works having the license key, which I got with my floppy from ASB computers two months ago, so I'm not asking for nothing that can't be legally sent.
Thanks
-
The thing is I can't use the internal CD rom without IDEfix.
Why not ? What happens if you install OS 3.9 CD drivers ?
What I'm asking here is if someone could send me a mail with the neccesary Idefix program. It must be version 119.17 (08.12.00).
http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches
Read the text and click the link.
-
I'm looking to replaced my lowly HDD with a CF card.....and I've seen two on ebay......any ideas which would be best?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260581883854&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
or
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270578962585&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
They seem the same to me, although the latter has AmigaSYS4AGA, and OS3.1.
Any help would be good......I don't see one on Amigakit.....and I'm sure there was one already partitioned into 4 or something but can't find it
cheers tris
-
@LordSpunky: Don't hijack other people's threads!
-
Sorry will re-post somewhere else, thought it would save threads tis all sorry
-
Hi. Sorry, went out to play basketball... and later a couple of hours trying to fix WinUAE with OS3.9 (used the tutorial of Thomas but have some problem at the final step when it has to boot from the floppy... but that's another question and I think I will fix it).
About IDEfix I tried to install the one of Aminet and apply the patches and nothing, tried with my IDefix97 and nothing and tried to change both changing the drawers files with the ones of eb final and nothing. Perhaps at some point I could do any mistake, but I copied the patches to C: and made the commands for the patchs and only had a response telling they weren't for that version... I have to say that each time IDEfix crashes the Amiga I have to boot from the Install floppy, quickformat Sistem again and leave the Amiga for a very long time copying the archives from another partition and then change again the configuration of the fyle system of the partitions...
I saw the version of Aminet is 3.5, from 30.10.99, and the one of A. Forever 2006 and 2009 is another different... don't remember, but isn't the one.
About the OS3.9 Cd drivers I asked in my last post, but nobody told me. I need the drivers for an internal cd rom with a 4 way interface.
The main problem I have is that I can't boot and make the installation from the Emergency Boot, it said it didn't find SCSI device unit 3, and I was going to remake the floppy again, but now it says what doesn't find is the compact-flash. Tomorrow I will change the OS3.9 from the PCMCIA to a partition, will take out the PCMCIA and will try to make again an Emergency Boot to make a full instalation and to see if it sees the CD.
Sorry if I seem too ignorant, but I registered here before receiving the first Amiga in my live, and that was in march...
Edit:
I've found what the problem was with the WinUAE 3.9 install at the final steps: I was using Reset Workbench instead of Reset from the F12 console. Now I'll try to fix why it gets hanged while installs OS3.9...I did. It's working well now.
-
Hello:
Only want to comment that I finally fixed the IDEfix program:laughing: with the Aminet patch and the help of mozzerfan who had previously fixed another.
Now the Amiga reads the cd right and I could boot from the Emergency Disk and install "again" OS3.9 over my 16GB CF.
The only thing that doesn't goes right is that I get a message saying "Please insert volume AOS3.9 in any drive", and it lets me the Retry/Assign/Mount/Deny/Cancel options, but I don't now how to do it.
I believe it can be changing the startup-sequence, but I've just realiced my "down" key doesn't work, so I can't see all with ed s:startup-sequence. Perhaps with another editor program that uses the mouse... I have to see how to use the one of Amidock... and later will have to repair the keyboard... I've found good instructions about that here:
http://www.qdev.de/?location=electronics/keyboardrepair
-
The only thing that doesn't goes right is that I get a message saying "Please insert volume AOS3.9 in any drive", and it lets me the Retry/Assign/Mount/Deny/Cancel options, but I don't now how to do it.
You don't know how to click on Cancel ?
After clicking Cancel it should tell you which file it is searching from the OS 3.9 CD. Run Prefs/Sound or Prefs/WBPattern or whatever and change the offending setting to a file on your harddrive. It's something you changed after booting from the emergency disk before you started the installation.
-
Oh! Really must I press Cancel? I've been waiting seated in front of the Amiga all night waiting for someone to tell me...
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:w7ggce5AYo1uBM:http://seronoser.free.fr/bruguera/myf01.gif) (http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://seronoser.free.fr/bruguera/myf01.gif&imgrefurl=http://seronoser.free.fr/bruguera/mortadelo.htm&usg=__tVwPVUpm8suB1fIyp3IZye8y6q4=&h=322&w=327&sz=47&hl=es&start=64&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=w7ggce5AYo1uBM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfilemon%26start%3D60%26um%3D1%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1)
It was very late yesterday, and coudn't copy what it says after that, but I will see when I'll arrive home... I received the message after installed the patch and booted. I made the emergency disk after that and installed OS immediately.
(http://www.tolontolon.es/foro/ebooks/13917-mortadelo-y-filemun-los-monstruos-%5B071%5D.html)