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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: TheGoose on May 09, 2010, 10:52:10 PM
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I have been going seriously into the depths of Netflix. Watched all of Battle Star Galactica and recently caught up with Lost. Then I saw the B5 stuff. 5 seasons of this stuff and some Hugo awards, and oh ah, the Amiga connection.
At the time I just thought "oh, ghetto star trek series, click." I love TV series this way, I'm 5-10 years behind but no commercials; which is why I can't watch television - can't take it.
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I bought the first season on DVD a while ago. The story is quite good, but the effects are so incredibly dated; it's cringing to watch in parts. Apparently it gets better in later seasons.
Nevertheless I enjoyed it.
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No. You should turn that crap off and go read some classic literature. Don Quixote will keep you entertained for a long time. 8)
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I love B5. I really enjoyed the story and while some may think the effects are "dated", I think they worked just fine. And the fact that an Amiga Farm rendered the 1st year's effects and won an Emmy is nothing to insult.
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Interestingly, they knew about the specs for HD and 16:9, and so the the whole thing was shot for 16:9, before it ever exsisted.? Kinda ironic a TV show could see the future but a computer company could not...
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Yes, yes, a thousand times YES.
JMS is brilliant. The first season is a little difficult to get through, as the screen writing, acting, effects, and character development matures. Make it through that and I promise the second season and beyond will have you.
BTW, you can watch all five seasons on The WB http://thewb.com. I think there are normally short, 15 second commercials, but last night I watched most of season five with no commercials at all.
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Nah, life is too short...
As Tim from "Spaced" once said: "Babylon 5's a big pile of shit!" :-)
Mike.
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I'm with AmiDuffer, pick up a book and read.
TV makes people stupid, in fact there is scientific evidence to back this up in more ways than you can possibly imagine, such as the methods exploited in the book: Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television.
Though, if you are going to watch at the expense of your intellect, then may I suggest Lost in Space the movie?
I believe it was done with Amiga as well and has a lot better quality to it than your garden variety TV Sci-Fi program.
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Ok, it's in the instant que. I pay for this stuff every month, I gotta use it on something.
Oh, and life is full of crap anyways - I'm trying to escape it...
I graduated an English major. I read and read and wrote papers and came to this conclusion.
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Yes, yes, a thousand times YES.
JMS is brilliant. The first season is a little difficult to get through, as the screen writing, acting, effects, and character development matures. Make it through that and I promise the second season and beyond will have you.
Yes! I couldn't agree more. I've seen all of Babylon 5 and its spinoffs and read Don Quixote. There are a few really good TV series that have been made throughout the years, and Babylon 5 is one of them. Get through that first season and you'll be rewarded with one of the most epic stories ever written. Who cares if it's on paper or on screen.
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Yes! My reply would only have been a clone of this.
+1
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no it's shit.
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Interestingly, they knew about the specs for HD and 16:9, and so the the whole thing was shot for 16:9, before it ever exsisted.? Kinda ironic a TV show could see the future but a computer company could not...
Indeed, that was the forethought of JMS (The producer), who had the choice to film in 16:9 even though all the TV stations at that point were 4:3.
He filmed it, then CONVERTED the footage to 4:3 for broadcast but kept the 16:9 footage, thats why when the DVD's were released, it was 16:9. First TV show at the time to be 16:9
For the OP, the FIRST season is slow, its a character builder, scene setter for the later seasons. There are one or TWO episodes though that are CRUCIAL to the later seasons.
I have lost count of the times I have watched B5, but even now I find myself saying "How the F... did I miss that" ?
Has anyone noticed, that in the TV pilot (1x00) "The gathering) 2 hour, the bridge crew member that goes on to play a pivotal role in the main series ? Keep an eye out for him.
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Should you watch the best sci-fi tv show ever? yes of course :)
Don't let Season one's look or story put you of, its laying the foundations on what's to come. You will understand this if you can see it threw to around s2/s3 which by then you should be well hooked.
Alot of people have been put of by B5 because of the look and not understanding what the hell is going on half the time. It would be quite hard to folllow if you jumped in first time anywhere before Season 2 as this epic story is spread over the entire 5 Seasons. No weekly reset button here ;)
Seeing it threw from start to finish with just a few bumps along the road, and you will be rewarded with an amazing story.
Season 3 and 4 are my favourite and i think some of the battle scenes still look ok today given the age & budget. Everything ages, but the storyline sees it threw :)
alittle OT
JMS Seems to be a big player these days, good on him :) perhaps he now can command more freedom and get B5 on the big screen, fingers & toes crossed ;)
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Babylon 5 is by far one of the best sci-fi's to grace our TV's. Watch it, watch it all. If you like sci-fi at all, you'll love it.
Comments like "no, it's shit" are just trolling so just ignore them. Cammy has told you all you need to know so get on with it and when you've finished come back and tell us if you think it was worth it. I'm sure you will enjoy it.
As for the "read a book" comments, c'mon folks, this is a computer forum. If you can't use a screen for entertainment sometimes then why are you even reading this forum? That's like watching porn all day then saying it should be banned, hypocrisy!
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Babylon 5 is by far one of the best sci-fi's to grace our TV's. Watch it, watch it all. If you like sci-fi at all, you'll love it.
Comments like "no, it's shit" are just trolling so just ignore them. Cammy has told you all you need to know so get on with it and when you've finished come back and tell us if you think it was worth it. I'm sure you will enjoy it.
As for the "read a book" comments, c'mon folks, this is a computer forum. If you can't use a screen for entertainment sometimes then why are you even reading this forum? That's like watching porn all day then saying it should be banned, hypocrisy!
no its shit.
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alittle OT
JMS Seems to be a big player these days, good on him :) perhaps he now can command more freedom and get B5 on the big screen, fingers & toes crossed ;)
JMS was a big player BEFORE B5, he did a fair chunk of Murder She Wrote. Well, 7 episodes, but he DID create the series Jerimiah
Oh, and just ignore the troll called "Tension", he has to work off some Tension :) But that is what you get for living in Northern ireland, All those little Skirmishes between the Catholics and Protestants cannot be fun.
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The FX may have been hard to look in the pliot... but in season 3 the nailed it... by then they hit full stride where massive armadas and big space battles were the norm. The work was so well done that Foundation Imaging who originally had a contract to produce visual FX for te life of the series was let go and Doug Netter had an in house team produce the FX using all the foundation imaging assets.
Foundation imaging later went on to create visual FX for tar Trek Voyager and Enterprise until they went out of business in 2002.
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The made for DVD tv movies relesaed a couple of years ago are really good to.
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@ crom00
Wow. Sounds like an interesting read itself.
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JMS was a big player BEFORE B5, he did a fair chunk of Murder She Wrote. Well, 7 episodes, but he DID create the series Jerimiah
Oh, and just ignore the troll called "Tension", he has to work off some Tension :) But that is what you get for living in Northern ireland, All those little Skirmishes between the Catholics and Protestants cannot be fun.
Firstly, im not a troll. Secondly, I actually find your statement quite insensitive. People being murdered constitutes quite a lot more than a "little skirmish", and has nothing to do with my post. Take it to a different thread please.
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Well I give this shit a try. Not on instant play though, crap. DVD will be better. SiFi is such a hard genre of fiction. And there is more bad of it than good. I kinda know how to manage my expectations.
And I like Tension...
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Watch it for sure, especially if you can get the DVDs. Sometimes you can find them on sale... I bought the last 4 seasons for $20 a year from Buy More... er, I mean Best Buy. ;-)
The thing I like most is that it's a complete story that builds through the whole series. Unlike Trek, where everything resets to the status quo at the end of the episode. ;-) Stargate SG-1 is the same way... they learn or "borrow" new tech and use it, rather than make up some technobabble explaining why it won't work or some such excuse.
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JMS was a big player BEFORE B5, he did a fair chunk of Murder She Wrote. Well, 7 episodes, but he DID create the series Jerimiah
Yeah in TV land but he is now involved in Hollywood movies and doing quite well to, Changeling & Ninja Assassin with quite a few more in the pipeline.
Oh, and just ignore the troll called "Tension", he has to work off some Tension :) But that is what you get for living in Northern ireland, All those little Skirmishes between the Catholics and Protestants cannot be fun.
Wow where did that come from? i think thats totally uncalled for, shame on you. Keep this out of the forums please. thanks.
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Effects are great but, bad ones can be forgiven if there's good story telling, right? I like old 70s SiFi like:
Colossus: The Forbin Project
Andromeda Strain
Logan's Run
West World ,
Terrible with effects - still, those were just oddly cool movies...
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Firstly, im not a troll. Secondly, I actually find your statement quite insensitive. People being murdered constitutes quite a lot more than a "little skirmish", and has nothing to do with my post. Take it to a different thread please.
Actually, first time you said it was an opinion..
OP: should i watch B5
You: No, its shit..
That was your opinion. But to then several posts later you post it again.., THAT was trolling.
Alright, so this form of B5 is not your cup of tea or slice of semtex.., that does not dismiss the series HAS got a cult following, despite the first season's reputation.
Look at the remake of "V", showing that despite the glitter and glamour of the CGI, thats what you can call "SHIT !"
But no matter what people's feelings of the first season, there are key stories in the first seasons that helps you understand later season episodes like season 3 and 4.
Also as Crom said, the TV movies also add a touch to the series too, of which, each telemovie has its own slot in the TV series timeline for story chronology.
In the beginning: (Set before the Tv series, but has an opening and closing scene's from Season 4)
The Gathering (The initial Pilot 1x00, Pre series).
ThirdSpace: Set after the Vorlon/Shadow war.
River of souls: Season 5.
A call to arms: After season 5, Allies of the shadows try to use remnant technology left behind against the alliance, setting the ground for the TV series "Crusade".
This gives you a ROUGH idea of the viewing order of the films and series, with regards to how the story line pans out.
2245–48 • In the Beginning (1st film)*
2256 • Babylon 5 station commissioned
2257 • The Gathering (Pilot)
2258 • Signs and Portents (Season 1)
2259 • The Coming of Shadows (Season 2)
2260 • Point of No Return (Season 3)
2261 • No Surrender, No Retreat (Season 4)**
2261 • Thirdspace (2nd film)***
2262 • The Wheel of Fire (Season 5)†
2263 • The River of Souls (3rd film)
2265 • The Legend of the Rangers (5th film)
2266 • A Call to Arms (4th film)
2267 • Crusade (spin-off series)
2271 • The Lost Tales: Voices in the Dark
2278 • In the Beginning (1st film)*
But this can also be used to try to see what episodes/films fall in what order.
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html
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Actually, first time you said it was an opinion..
OP: should i watch B5
You: No, its shit..
That was your opinion. But to then several posts later you post it again.., THAT was trolling.
Agreed, 1st time was an opinion. 2nd time was attention seeking trolling.
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trollin trollin trollin
keep that post from flowin
I will post without knowin
rawhiiiiiiide
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On reflection i should've put a smiley after the 2nd time i said it. Irony doesn't transfer well sometimes. Whoops!
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that little song is not pointed at anyone specific.
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@ The Goose: Yes, West World!!!!
I just watched that again a couple months ago, then watched Future World again last week.
Sadly, they are going to remake West World and destroy it like nearly everything else they've remade, but the classics were amazing and I can't help but coming back to them (even if TV and Movies do dumb me down.) :)
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In regards to the effects, I LOVE old effects. I much prefer them to today's video game graphics, especially in Horror movies. Squib effects I can live with, but everything else should be built with care and time through imagination and a steady hand.
Besides it seems that modern films are loosing much because of effects. Too much eye candy and not enough raw acting and character development. The art of story telling is dying, and sadly this trend is finding it's way into books as ironic as that may sound.
Though on the other hand, it is always nice to see some Amiga generated effects from time to time. They have their place.
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On reflection i should've put a smiley after the 2nd time i said it. Irony doesn't transfer well sometimes. Whoops!
No need. I get Irony. Americans don't. Thats where you went wrong.
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I've found that most of the best series have to be seen beginning to end in order. I missed too much of the new bg series, but I'm keeping up on Caprica on syfy. I missed a lot of b5 I wanted to get all of it on dvd but haven't yet. Farscape is another good one.
oh no americans don't get irony at all
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Maybe, it is geographical irony. lol
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I loved BB5, only real dissapointment was series 5 (because the story was compressed into 4).
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For the note, I'm American (part Cherokee part Shawnee even) and I get irony. ;)
Sadly, yes, a lot of people don't, and a lot of good comedy gets destroyed when we stop and explain that we were "only joking".
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Watch it . . . Its epic, and make sure o watch the movies also . . . and as for crappy graphics, bah humbug, there are sci-fi shows today that have far worst special effects . . . . Just keep an eye on the vorlon and remember "shadows" move when you are not looking . . . :)
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You should watch the original Battlestar Galactica. It's far funnier....
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Everyone should watch B5. It's the best scifi epic ever.
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In regards to the effects, I LOVE old effects. I much prefer them to today's video game graphics, especially in Horror movies.
Interestingly enough, I was turned off by the effects, when the series aired the first time. I guess it was because I wasn´t used to CGI on TV in the day and expected space to look a bit more calm and grey. So I din`t watch "Bab5".
Just recently my wife and I bought season one on DVD and we really enjoy watching it. The great soundtrack by Chris Franke of Tangerine Dream fame puts me into the right mood and the CGI is actually quite impressive!
I guess we are in for another round, if we completed watching season one.
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I think B5 is one of the most important EPIC SCI-FI's of all time! Yes its a slow start but it just gets better and better with each season. Actually I was shocked when some ppl mentioned they didnt like it, but I figured they may believe to a previous generation which is highlighted by the 70's SCI-FI's mentioned..
I haven't enjoyed a TV Series as EPIC as B5 until the new Battelstar Galactica TV Series.
The special effects, yes are outdated today but when I first watched it on tv in the early 90's when I was growing up with my Amiga I couldn't believe the caliber GFX.. At that time I would be hooked on any TV shows with rendered GFX, like the cartoon series REBOOT.
For its day the GFX where amazing, well okay first season looks cheesy now but later seasons still satisfy me today.
So if you enjoy SCI-FI immensely then YES watch B5!
Ok for me what comes to mind as worse SCI-FI, it would have to be Andromeda. I never understood that show with ummm Hercules. (;
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Yeah, the wife and I are sufferring withdrawl from having recently finished B5 on DVD.
We're getting to the last of the movies now. We just watched the set-up movie for "Crusade" which was a B5 spin-off, and plan to start watching that too. Pity Crusade only got picked up for one season, if only because they never finished their mission.
G-Kar and Londo were the best characters in B5 and they both grew immensely by the end. Sadly G-Kar and the guy who played the Doctor passed away.
There are sooo many great moments in B5. Some of the episodes are either set in the future, some from the point of view of the press, and even one centred around the maintenance workers observing all the things going on. Very interesting story-telling.
B5 is very similar to StarTrek Deep Space 9 in setting, which we're also in the middle of watching(me for the second time). You can *almost* switch the races, locations and characters with eachother and have the same plot. Nothing wrong with that.
Once you've finished B5 you must watch "StarWreck: In the Pirkining", a fan-made comedy which mixes StarTrek and B5. Absolutely hilarious, and it has great special effects. The translations are also very amusing.
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B5 is indeed one of the best scifi series ever. As said before, season 1 is a little slow but starting with season 2 it ramps up very nicely to culminate in a great season 3 and 4, with season 5 stil, highly enjoyable. Very strong story.
Up until the remake (ok, 're-imaginining') of Battlestar Galactica, it was my favorite scifi series.
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I have been going seriously into the depths of Netflix. Watched all of Battle Star Galactica and recently caught up with Lost. Then I saw the B5 stuff. 5 seasons of this stuff and some Hugo awards, and oh ah, the Amiga connection.
At the time I just thought "oh, ghetto star trek series, click." I love TV series this way, I'm 5-10 years behind but no commercials; which is why I can't watch television - can't take it.
That's like asking if you should eat. You never know if you're going to like it, until you take an interest in it. :idea:
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No. You should turn that crap off and go read some classic literature. Don Quixote will keep you entertained for a long time. 8)
+1 He's absolutely right. :)
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Hmm...
"B5 is one of the most important EPIC SCI-FI's of all time"
... an oxymoron there, I suspect... :-)
Mike.
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Yeah, the wife and I are sufferring withdrawl from having recently finished B5 on DVD.
We're getting to the last of the movies now. We just watched the set-up movie for "Crusade" which was a B5 spin-off, and plan to start watching that too. Pity Crusade only got picked up for one season, if only because they never finished their mission.
G-Kar and Londo were the best characters in B5 and they both grew immensely by the end. Sadly G-Kar and the guy who played the Doctor passed away.
Yeah, shame about Crusade, it had the makings of a great show. They made i think 12 in total, but the network axed it before the first episode even aired. JMS also planned to run this over a 5 year story. so like B5, It was just laying the foundations.
The G'Kar and Londo saga was pretty awesome, great acting. Shame G'Kar has passed on now, but his good self and the doctor did get alittle nod from JMS in the 2007 B5: The Lost Tales.
If memory servers correctly, the guy who played Zathras (think B4) also passed away not that many years ago in a motorcycle accident. what a great character he was.
B5 is very similar to StarTrek Deep Space 9 in setting, which we're also in the middle of watching(me for the second time). You can *almost* switch the races, locations and characters with eachother and have the same plot. Nothing wrong with that.
There was a rumour going around that B5 was originaly offered to Paramount? but later turned it to down after having the scripts for quite a while. A year or 2 later, DS9 was born. got to love conspiracy's ;)
I did enjoy DS9, well mostly. The 2 part final ending was quite cool, but why in all of it's seasons did the borg not come a knocking? seems strange as they was everywhere else but there, not even mentioned i don't think.
Once you've finished B5 you must watch "StarWreck: In the Pirkining", a fan-made comedy which mixes StarTrek and B5. Absolutely hilarious, and it has great special effects. The translations are also very amusing.
Great funny show yea, loved it.
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I didn't like season 5 or season 1, but 2-4 were quite enjoyable apart from the odd stinker which bored the pants off me.
Not bad, worth a watch I would say.....you may even like s1/s5 :)
A couple of the films were really good, can't remember which ones they were but still.
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I really liked B5 when it originally aired. It has some great characterization and subplots, though IMO the series was quite uneven. I think they could have done it in four seasons or less and it would have been much better.
Supposedly the entire story was planned start to finish in advance, but I stopped believing that after season 3. I think there may have been *a* story which was written start to finish, but I can't shake the feeling that at some point about halfway through the airing that the story was reworked in order to spread it out over another couple of seasons.
But if you're a sci-fi fan, then you should definitely watch B5. It would be great if there was a guide somewhere on the net that would list the "core" episodes that you could watch to get the main story, without all the chaff.
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@tension re: On reflection i should've put a smiley after the 2nd time i said it. Irony doesn't transfer well sometimes. Whoops!
No need. I get Irony. Americans don't. Thats where you went wrong.
Et al.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/irony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/lit_terms/irony.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/irony
After studying the subject at length as well as the posts in question I believe that your grasp of the concept is lacking. Posting the same comment twice and expecting readers to assume the second was irony is incorrect. Also stating that "Americans don't" get irony when said posting was infact not ironic is also incorrect. A cross reference of cited materials shows clearly that a cutural bias towards or against irony is inferred primarily from a cultural basis. A study of current and past American periodical and literary reviews shows significant ironic element which may or may not translate to other cultures or literary frames. The postings in question are best understood perhaps as a misplaced attempt at humor or possibly other input would indeed place such a statement firmly in the realm of troldom as defined by contemporary, online participants.
For further information please see my 16 volume works on confounding societal concepts including not only irony, but also sarcasm, lying, jokes and their intellectual componants, and others.
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Others have already said it, but yes, you should definitely watch it!
In my opinion, Babolyn 5 is the best Sci-Fi series ever, together with Firefly. It does start off somewhat slow, but once you get to season 3 it all makes sense.
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From what I heard, only season 1 uses Amiga technolog for its special affects. I'm curious myself as to how good these effects are. I never watched a single episode.
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I think they used video toasters to apply the effects during the entire series, and Amigas to do the actual rendering during season 1 and the first episodes of season 2.
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I think they used video toasters to apply the effects during the entire series, and Amigas to do the actual rendering during season 1 and the first episodes of season 2.
Other sources mention that only pilot was rendered with amigas, while toaster was used for the 1st season.
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As a huge B5 fan I'd definately say to watch it but, like others, I'd have to admit that Season 1 stinks. If you can make it through the first season you'll be greatly rewarded. Season 5 is also a bit of a let down but that's just because JMS tried to wrap up most of his story by the end of Season 4 (thinking they were going to be cancelled). Fortunately they got renewed for the 5th Season but sadly there's not much story in that season as a result.
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The maitanance workers episode was one of my favorites. The tastes like chick banter and comments about the corridore maitanance equipment were really funny. It is also the only series/movie that has ever bothered to give an explination as to why the bad guys all have different collored explosions/light sabers/whatnot.
I still don't get the love for the new BSG. It is sooo cheeseball, the whole thing plays out like it was written from a checklist.
Replace male roles with females... Check
Immediately establish that the females are mens equals or betters.... Check
The bad guys look just like us, so you can't tell who is the 'terrist'.... Check
Huminize the bad guys... Check
Kill a some innocents to establish 'grittyness'... Check
etc.. etc... etc...
The absolute worst crime was rippng off a character from Voyager. If you are going to rip off characters from another show, at least pick a good show to rip them off from.
Really, a tall hot blond, kinda robot, kinda human, named 7/8 who is on a voyage of self discovery, trying to find her way through the mechine part of her phyche to learn about the human side beneath. Not good sci-fi.
I can just see the network meeting... No, this isn't the same character as the one in Voyager. Voyager has a character named 7. Our character is named 8! That's one more. Totally different.
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I am downloading the Babylon 5 fangame right now (I love fangames)
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I am downloading the Babylon 5 fangame right now (I love fangames)
The Babylon Project? (http://www.download.com/The-Babylon-Project-DVD/3000-7557_4-10882882.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10887642)
If so, you're in for a treat. I loved it.
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In my opinion, Babolyn 5 is the best Sci-Fi series ever, together with Firefly.
I think you forgot Farscape :cool:
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Yes, you should watch it.
It might be dated visually now, but I remember it very fondly and thoroughly enjoyed it the first time through.
If you don't like it... stop watching it :) Lifes too short and you simply may not like that sort of series, but if you don't give it a try then you could miss out on a series that people are still fanatical about after all these years.
As an aside, I went to an ECTS show many year ago when I was a measly student with a made up company ID badge. I got to wander around the show floor and chat to developers on the no-public days :)
At one stand was a 3D space shooter, as I got closer I realised it was the Babylon 5 game that was in development! It was guarded by a guy who was meant to be showing it off to developers and publishers but I think he clocked that I probably shouldn't have been there... and gave me all the talk anyway, it was great, visually impressive for the time and flying along b5 itself in a Starfury was really cool. I walked away from that very happy :D
Andy
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@tension re: On reflection i should've put a smiley after the 2nd time i said it. Irony doesn't transfer well sometimes. Whoops!
Et al.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/irony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/lit_terms/irony.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/irony
After studying the subject at length as well as the posts in question I believe that your grasp of the concept is lacking. Posting the same comment twice and expecting readers to assume the second was irony is incorrect. Also stating that "Americans don't" get irony when said posting was infact not ironic is also incorrect. A cross reference of cited materials shows clearly that a cutural bias towards or against irony is inferred primarily from a cultural basis. A study of current and past American periodical and literary reviews shows significant ironic element which may or may not translate to other cultures or literary frames. The postings in question are best understood perhaps as a misplaced attempt at humor or possibly other input would indeed place such a statement firmly in the realm of troldom as defined by contemporary, online participants.
For further information please see my 16 volume works on confounding societal concepts including not only irony, but also sarcasm, lying, jokes and their intellectual componants, and others.
Unfortunately you haven't read between the lines.
After my first post, I was called a troll. Ironically, I responded to the accusation of being a troll (by repeating the original message) which actually appeared to some like i was an actual troll. Ironically.
Americans do have a reputation of not getting Irony. For instance, rain on your wedding day is not ironic - that's just bad luck.
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It would be ironic for it to rain on your wedding day if the person you were to marry, was someone you stole from someone else and to add insult to injury, had invited said broken heart, who was once your best friend to the wedding. :lol:
Irony is just a simple twist of fate. Here's another scenario. Assuming it was an outdoor wedding and after it stopped raining, the party in question realizes what a no good douche you are, looks over and spies their ex lover all dripping wet like(some people like that look), falls in love all over again and decides to go ahead and marry their original mate, right in front of you and everyone else. Now that would be really ironic! lmao
Oh and B5 is definitely worth watching. Seaquest - not so much (another Amiga special effects farm fest).
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@tension
perhaps you should read between the lines, i was using irony. i "get" irony but through a big long convoluted post i show that I dont actually get irony. Kindof like a sign saying I cant afford a sign.
rain on your wedding day, you are generalizing americans based on a song? If every single day was beautiful and the one day you wanted to be perfect it rained that would be ironic. and bad luck. I was joking with all those citations but maybe you might want to click on them...all of them.
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@tension
perhaps you should read between the lines, i was using irony. i "get" irony but through a big long convoluted post i show that I dont actually get irony. Kindof like a sign saying I cant afford a sign.
rain on your wedding day, you are generalizing americans based on a song? If every single day was beautiful and the one day you wanted to be perfect it rained that would be ironic. and bad luck. I was joking with all those citations but maybe you might want to click on them...all of them.
Haha excellent. :)
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btw it would be ironic to post "I can't be a troll since I have never posted anything here" or something to that effect. repeating your post even with a smiley might be funny but not ironic.
unless i am actually getting it all wrong
Course we can overlook that since the Irish dont get irony :o
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-> TheGoose, as most others have already posted, B5 is well worth watching.
...sorry, I really have to type this...
-> Tension, ya might wanna expand your original statement as to why you think B5 is what you say it is with constuctive critisim and not just an off the cuff remark.
Until you are able to produce story/screen play with character development, music and special effects and all the other things that make a series that has won several awards and has a huge following, you need to keep your comment to yourself.
Short version, STFU! ;)
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A little off topic, but trivial...
The pilot of the show was rendered on amiga computers....(!)
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/effects.html
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B5 was pretty slow to start, but I was definitely hooked by the last episode of season 1. It petered out for me after Season 3, since they managed to wear out the Oh My Gawd! (OMG) factor.
But I think B5 brought some interesting changes to the television sci fi scene, the chieftest being a definite lifespan for the series. I like the idea of a begginning, middle and end for the show -- and shows that have since copied it -- simpley because there were some shows (like the Next Gen) that should have been put out of my misery a lot sooner than it was. :)
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btw it would be ironic to post "I can't be a troll since I have never posted anything here" or something to that effect. repeating your post even with a smiley might be funny but not ironic.
unless i am actually getting it all wrong
Course we can overlook that since the Irish dont get irony :o
An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your Chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
"Well isn't this nice..."
And isn't it ironic... don't you think
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right
And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face
A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic...don't you think
A little too ironic...and, yeah, I really do think...
It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures
Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out
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@stefcep2: According to the RIAA, you just commited an act of piracy. Shame!!
And according to my delicate tastes, you just commited an act of cruelty. Shame!!
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@stefcep2: And according to my delicate tastes, you just commited an act of cruelty. Shame!!
At least he spared us an audio clip of her singing... :lol:
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@stefcep2: According to the RIAA, you just commited an act of piracy. Shame!!
Allegations of piracy by an Amigan against another Amigan on an Amiga forum..Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
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Watching all of Babylon 5 sounds very logical.
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Babylon 5 is a bit like Doctor Who, you don't really want to like it, and there are bits and pieces that make you want to give up, but in the end I watched it all the way through. It's genuine and real somehow in a way that the Battlestar Galactica remake only pretends to be. Watch it, enjoy it.
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At least he spared us an audio clip of her singing... :lol:
Agreed!:laugh1:
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I liked B5 very much when it was first shown in Germany. A view month ago I watched all my old recorded B5 tapes (a little more than 100 episodes) with my children. I liked the complex characters very much. The fact it was done with lightwave and the first films even on Amigas did increase motivation of course. The very last episodes are worse in my opinion, however.
Best regards
selco, http://selco.da.ru
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Unfortunately you haven't read between the lines.
After my first post, I was called a troll. Ironically, I responded to the accusation of being a troll (by repeating the original message) which actually appeared to some like i was an actual troll. Ironically.
Americans do have a reputation of not getting Irony. For instance, rain on your wedding day is not ironic - that's just bad luck.
There is the point that the song is not american , given that the writer/singer is canadian.
But that song does not contain one single piece of Irony.
You do know what Irony is , don't you Bladric.
Yeah is like bronzey and goldey
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I liked B5 very much when it was first shown in Germany. A view month ago I watched all my old recorded B5 tapes (a little more than 100 episodes) with my children. I liked the complex characters very much. The fact it was done with lightwave and the first films even on Amigas did increase motivation of course. The very last episodes are worse in my opinion, however.
Best regards
selco, http://selco.da.ru
That is because season 5 was not meant to be, as season 4 closed to an end, Season 5 was pretty much a fair bet that it would be canceled, so they filmed it so Season 4 to be the last.., Then Season 5 got the go ahead.
I do like a few episodes of Season 5, Brakiri day of the dead for one.
Lockley's sister, Londo and Adira, Leneer and Morden, garibaldi and dodger.
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The Babylon Project? (http://www.download.com/The-Babylon-Project-DVD/3000-7557_4-10882882.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10887642)
If so, you're in for a treat. I loved it.
You might also want to check out the great set of B5 addons (http://www.celestiamotherlode.net/catalog/fic_babylon5.php) to Celestia.
I think you forgot Farscape :cool:
Agreed. I'd rank Farscape above Firefly. Farscape and B5 are both my favorite TV sci-fi's. It's tough to say which I prefer as they have VERY different feels to them so it depends on my mood on any particular day.
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There is the point that the song is not american , given that the writer/singer is canadian.
But that song does not contain one single piece of Irony.
You do know what Irony is , don't you Bladric.
Yeah is like bronzey and goldey
Ha, bronzey and goldey nice :)
"forty years ago I measured my penis with a wood ruler, the irony was lost on me"
-Chuck Lorre
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From what I heard, only season 1 uses Amiga technolog for its special affects. I'm curious myself as to how good these effects are. I never watched a single episode.
I thought they were actually quite good, and I believe all the effects are done in Lightwave, as time progressed obviously they utilised Newtek's solution of slaving PCs into a render farm I believe, but don't quote me on that. Anyway Lightwave only exists because Netwek exists and that all started with the A1000 and Digiview so it's still Amiga :)
Also thinking about this I forgot to mention it's worth watching Crusade also, I quite liked that and was sad to see it killed off after just one season.