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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Desktop Audio and Video => Topic started by: ChaosLord on May 04, 2010, 01:18:16 PM
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What kind of Digital Camera or Camcorder should I buy?
I need to buy a digital camera or camcorder.
I went to Walmart to see what was available. They all looked quite nice except for the big giant SONY logo that was on most of them.
There was a sony model there that was just fine for what I need and it was $350.00 and I would have bought it on the spot if it had been made by a reputable company.
Sony and Samsung are banned. What brand should I get?
The saleslady told me to buy a FUJI but that they have not sold Fuji models for a while.
> Why do you want a camera?
To take pictures :D
> What would you do with a camcorder?
Make videos of Amiga games. Specifically Total Chaos AGA.
I actually own a Sony camcorder from about 2000. It is a Hi-8mm. Very nice camcorder, never given me any problem. Too bad it is not digital. Maybe I could just film an Amiga game with my old analog camcorder and route the S-video output into a PC video capture card but I assume that going that route would be a pain and make blurry video?
Many years ago I was heavily into photography. I do care about quality. I used to own an Olympus OM-10 35mm and an antique studio camera that a relative gave to me that used HUGE film. The antique camera took BY FAR the best pictures with the best resolution and color.
I don't know jack about modern digital cameras or camcorders. So I ask my trusted friends at Amiga.org :)
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I have 3 Canon HV30 units that I swear by. Great 24p mini dv camcorder with analog in capability. Full HD imaging senors, great 24p cinema mode. Very popular with indie dilm makers as it works great with film lens adapters. The HV40 is the current refresh model and it adds better 24p support. Prices runs $450-$800 used or new for the hv30 or hv40.
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Get the Sony with the u-beaut memory stick! :roflmao:
I'm looking myself. I want cheap, quality image, error free image. Otherwise when are the next sales on?
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I've got a Canon EOS400D Digital SLR (In the US it goes by a different name I think) its a very good still camera, good qaulity images and easy to use. If video is rerally what you're after the Canon camcorders are pretty good too I believe. If you want both then a still camera that also shoots video may be an option for you. The more recent Canon DSLR's like the EOS 550D and the EOS7D also shoot decent video, but they are pricey especially the 7D and lenses quickly bump up the cost. If you want something less expensive the Canon PowerShot might do the job. The PowerShot is aimed at the consumer/serious amateur rather than the semi pro/pro and they shoot vide as well as still images.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=111
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=113
Weed
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Dont really know what the issue is with Sony bashers (maybe Wii lovers IDK). Though Samsung makes no sence to me since I have seen both sony and Samsung cameras and both have been good. Panasonic is one to avoid in my opinion.
Going by what you want then, i'd look at Casio and Canon models since they offer good lens quality and features for the money.
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CANON
I currently have a Canon Digital Rebel still camera as well as an older Mini-DV video camera that works very well. One thing I will caution folks on is the digital HardDrive/Memory/CD type video cameras do not give as high of quality as the Mini-DV cameras... Many of these cameras use a type of digital interpolation for the picture and this does not provide the same quality as a good-quality MiniDV camera... (I bought a MiniDV because of this very issue.) It is the same kind of issue as when a camera says 20x Zoom optical and 800x digital. Pros will tell you to never use the digital zoom because the quality goes to Hell. So really the only meaningful stat is the OPTICAL Zoom. It seems strange that a tape based camera would provide better quality but it is true... There are some very high-end Hard drive cameras that provide the same quality but they are EXTREMELY expensive. Bang for the buck in my opinion is a good Canon Mini-DV camera as it is digital and can be easily manipulated with current software such as Premiere, Premiere Elements, Final Cut, etc... (I know these all work as I have used this camera with ALL of them)
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There seem to be a fair number of MiniDV fans in the videophile world. I can't really see any difference and frankly find high quality modern video better than MiniDV. It's all a matter of taste I guess.
You also have to take into account what you are going to use the video for. If it's just going to youtube one of those flip cameras would be sufficient. The other way to go is to run the games in UAE on a Mac or PC and record the screen using one of the screen record programs out there.
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> What would you do with a camcorder?
Make videos of Amiga games. Specifically Total Chaos AGA.
Use WinUAE for that. Using a camcorder will look like crap.
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I've had pretty good luck with Olympus.
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Filming/videoing an Amiga game by pointing the camera at the screen is probably THE WORST way to capture the video. The quality you are going to get is utter crap - blurriness, video frame rate banding, room reflections and glare off the screen - so if you're going to do it that way it doesn't matter what kind of camera you are going to use - might as well get the cheapest one possible as it will look pretty bad no matter what.
It would be much better to either:
a) Play the game in WinUAE and record the gameplay to an AVI (this is a setting within UAE)....the AVI can then be imported into an video editing software where you can add your own music or voice
b) capture from an A1200/A4000's/A520's colour composite video output (the RCA video jack) to a USB video capture device hooked to your PC (these are cheap), or to a stand-alone DVD burner, or to a camcorder that has a composite video input jack (there are lots of these).
If you're really set on buying a camcorder though - I too would recommend miniDV. Sure, it's not as convenient as a solid state camcorder. For instance it's tape, so you can't drag and drop the movies to your PC through USB. You have to use a (cheap) firewire connector and copy them over in real-time (digitally).
But, like others have said, those new Hard Drive or Flash Card video cameras use a fairly agressive video compression algorythm which actually is worse looking than the very mild video compression used by miniDV. Of course, this depends on whether or not you have the ability to actually see the difference. For YouTube videos ending up as heavily compressed Flash Video it might not matter anyway.
If you're talking HD video, well then, you probably can get a Flash card based camera that would beat miniDV, but it's going to cost you a LOT more. You don't really need an HD camera for something that's going to end up on YouTube - also almost no Amiga games are in HD resolution.
I think there are HD miniDV camcorders too but they are pro-level and VERY expensive. A standard-definition miniDV camera will do you fine - just make sure you get a model that records in both the old 4:3 ratio and the new 16:9 screen ratio. You'll want the old ratio for the Amiga screenshots (which were all 4:3) and the new 16:9 ratio for everything else.
The other advantage of miniDV is that - because most people are switching over to solid state cameras (most people care more about convenience than quality) the miniDV cameras are very cheap now (among the cheapest you can buy).
I would recommend a Canon or JVC miniDV camera if you go that route.
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If you want to record what is happening on your screen isn't there any software available that will simply do this for you : spooling to a file.
After hours and hours I finally did find such an application on the Mac that wasn't severely hampered with demo limitations, I guess on the Amiga platform the situation is hampered even further.
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Hi,
As others have mentioned, I also have had an Olympus camera for years, it has served me well for at least 5 years.
Chris
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http://www.red.com/cameras/
No contest if you can afford it. If not, then maybe the Sanyo Xacti VPC-HD2000 or perhaps Creatives Vado HD.
TBH, the choice is huge and depends a lot on what your going to use it for. The above 3 cameras are very different but all superb.
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If you want to record what is happening on your screen isn't there any software available that will simply do this for you : spooling to a file.
After hours and hours I finally did find such an application on the Mac that wasn't severely hampered with demo limitations, I guess on the Amiga platform the situation is hampered even further.
Good point. Or you could perhaps, plug the Amiga video signal into a capture card or video recorder.
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All my recent photos were taken with a Fuji camera, and I have used an earlier model as well as the one we used recently, and it's an excellent quality camera, I don't think I've ever seen one better quality or faster. It takes HD videos as well as photos. When you zoom right into the photos, the grain and detail is still sharp, not all smudgey and painted looking like some digital photos when you zoom in to 100% (as they're nearly always shrunk down to be viewable on the screen). I think the reason they don't sell as much is because usually only photographers look out for Fuji cameras, where as most average people will just grab the first thing they see with a familar logo (Sony). Not that the Sonys are worse, I havent used one so I can't say, but Fuji have been in the camera business for a while.
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Cammy I watched a YouTube video starring Cammy and her magical Amiga SVideo adapter. It looked great. Was it shot using that Fuji camera? Which model?
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It is true that Joe Average goes for a well known name nine times out of ten but for once I will defend Sony. I've used a lot of Sony video equipment, pro equipment mostly. I've worked in video and DVD since 2000 on and off. I'm a Sony trained DVD author and have used Sony cameras, SP Beta recorders, Digital Beta recorders, video and audio encoders etc. and I have found all of them bar none to be of exceptional quality.
That said, I hate the way they screwed Nintendo, Lik-Sang and most of all, the very customers they sell products to. Sony pro equipment often has custom connections and the leads cost, well to be honest, astronomical amounts of cash. If I was going to buy a camcorder today this would probably stop me handing my cash over to Sony.
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Ohh no that was taken with a really cheap digital camera, the Fuji one is infinitely better quality than that. And it's true Sony have been in the video business for a long time too. I'm not saying the Sonys are bad because I've never used them, just saying there's nothing wrong with the Fuji that I used, it felt like a real SLR camera too.
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@ Cammy
What model is it ? I used to swear by Fuji film for my ol' 35mm. It was a Chinon CE4, awesome camera! Shame I don't have it anymore...
..Meh :(
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At first I was really wanting a camcorder with built-in 80+GB hard drive and 60x optical zoom. I mean that sounds AWESOME. But everyone is telling me that hard drive camcorders overcompress the video. I really HATE over compressed video. I watch it all the time on cable tv. ugh. :pissed:
So I have decided to concentrate on something that takes great individual pictiures. Video features can be an extra added bonus.
I need a camera that I can hold in my hand and press the button to take a pic without moving the camera. I don't want blurry pictures! :destroy:
I have 3 friends that own cheap digital cameras and it is just about impossible not to move the camera when pressing the button. The button is 1. Too low. 2. It requires too much force to press. So their cameras always take blurry jittery pictures. :nervous:
So I need a camera with a nice big easy to press button that sticks OUT from the rest of the camera. And of course a Tripod mount. And some sort of remote shutter release system would be great. And/or some sort of image stabilization technology that works on snapshots. I want beautiful snapshots. :knuddel:
Does anyone own a camera like that?
JPG is an awful picture format. I would much prefer PNG or some other lossless format.
Does anyone have a camera that saves its pics as PNG instead of JPG?
Thanx for all the helpful info guys & gals! :)
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Does anyone have a camera that saves its pics as PNG instead of JPG?
Pro and semi-pro cameras can take pictures in TIFF format (which can be non-compressed or use one of many flavours of lossless compression).
But, actually, JPEG is not a terrible image format as you said. A lightly compressed JPEG can look really good. It's only when you really crank up the compression that the image starts to degrade noticeably.
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Well, I have to concur with ral-clan that the best option would probably be to capture the video from the miggy via comp. out, or to use UAE.
As for blurry/jittery pictures... Well almost every digicam I've owned seems to need too much pressure to depress 'the button'. My Olympus FE-180 has an image stabilization mode, which can help, but it's far from perfect. One of those tiny digican tripods might help too, tho', IME the legs on them can be a bit 'rubbery' , and you may still end up with a blurry shot because you had to push so hard on that !@#$%&! button.
For my dad, the biggest 'selling point' of the Olympus FE-180 was that it had an AV out cable.... he would hook the camera up to the DCTV on his A1200 and just grab the picture that way. Not nearly as good a picture as loading it directly, but still pretty cool.....
About Sony.... Uhhhh, I dont want to say too much... I might make my Sony Beta machines angry :)
But, I will say that, quality-wise, current manufacture consumer electronics by Sony can be very hit-or-miss .... It might work when you get it unpacked, maybe not. Maybe it will die 1 week/month/year later..... It's sad really, I know Sony CAN make reliable, good quality products.... they just can't do it on a regular basis.... OK, I've never owned any pro or semi-pro video equipment by Sony, so I can't say about that....
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So I have decided to concentrate on something that takes great individual pictiures. Video features can be an extra added bonus.
I need a camera that I can hold in my hand and press the button to take a pic without moving the camera. I don't want blurry pictures! :destroy:
I have 3 friends that own cheap digital cameras and it is just about impossible not to move the camera when pressing the button. The button is 1. Too low. 2. It requires too much force to press. So their cameras always take blurry jittery pictures. :nervous:
So I need a camera with a nice big easy to press button that sticks OUT from the rest of the camera. And of course a Tripod mount. And some sort of remote shutter release system would be great. And/or some sort of image stabilization technology that works on snapshots. I want beautiful snapshots. :knuddel:
Does anyone own a camera like that?
JPG is an awful picture format. I would much prefer PNG or some other lossless format.
Does anyone have a camera that saves its pics as PNG instead of JPG?
Thanx for all the helpful info guys & gals! :)
I'd get a Canon EOS 500D or 550D (EOS Rebel T1i EF-S & EOS Rebel T2i EF-S in the USA) - they are well balanced, button sticks out at the front, both shoot video in HD, and for lossless images you can shoot in RAW.
Weed
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What program can load RAW images?
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What program can load RAW images?
For the PC and Mac Adobe Photoshop on the Amiga you can get a datatype on Aminet
http://aminet.net/package/util/dtype/CR2_DataType_V39_4
Weed
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I recommend getting a Canon.. the GL1 is nice. I would buy any Canon over a Sony. To me the Canon's video output is
more realistic.
Rich
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Amazing. Today I am also going to get one so whole day I am searching over the net for best solution.
Anyway, this is the best cam ever, but expensive:
Canon EOS 5D Mark II [take a look @ Youtube for HQ video examples] BUT for cheaper I would go this way:
Sony HDR-CX115eb
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Panasonic hdc-sd60 :)
Seems like it has crystal clear image, excellent slow-motion [check out Youtube]...
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Amazing. Today I am also going to get one so whole day I am searching over the net for best solution.
Anyway, this is the best cam ever, but expensive:
Canon EOS 5D Mark II [take a look @ Youtube for HQ video examples] BUT for cheaper I would go this way:
Sony HDR-CX115eb
or
Panasonic hdc-sd60 :)
Seems like it has crystal clear image, excellent slow-motion [check out Youtube]...
The 5D MKII is a way cool camera - its full frame and takes you into the world of professional photography. If you don't need full frame - the recently released 7D is a good alternative. Or if you're not overly bothered with the ability to record HD video a second hand 5D MK1 can be had for £700-£850, which is pretty good value. Especially when you marry it up with a pro lens. For a high end consumer/semi-pro model the 50D is pretty good and you can find its predecessor the 40D for around £350-£450 on evil bay. Or if you don't fancy a Canon (I am a Canon user) Nikon is worth looking at.
Weed