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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Fl32909 on March 29, 2010, 08:41:00 PM
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Best accelerator for the A500, CPU mounted?
What can be installed in the trap door socket besides memory?
EDIT: Sad that the 68040 won't run on Kick 1.3 to save the original rom.
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Best accelerator for the A500, CPU mounted.
What can be installed in the trap door socket besides memory?
1) Midget Racer 030.
2) a lame PC emulator. lol
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I would have said the Progressive Peripherals PP40-500 was the best, at least in raw performance terms ;)
Fear it... (http://www.bboah.com/index.php?action=artikel&cat=46&id=2128&artlang=en)
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Another look:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/progressive540
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Another look:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/progressive540
Imagine the rush that would have given you back in 1992, eh?
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Best one is Derringer IMHO, takes a reliable SIMM and wont turn your A500 into a micro wave oven (looking at 040).
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/derringer
Also the Viper 530 t0tally pwnz: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=67
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Just for the hell of it, I wonder if anybody has ever considered the sidecar->zorro II mod and then shoved a Blizzard 2060 fitted with a 150MHz 603 PPC prototype board in there?
That would be one hardcore A500, though I suspect a tower case may be called for :D
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Imagine the rush that would have given you back in 1992, eh?
I was happy enough with a modest Supraturbo28, in '93.
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I was happy enough with a modest Supraturbo28, in '93.
That board rocks. Much better than the ICD AdSpeed chip I might add too.
But yeah, I sort of always forget about the 040 cards that were available. What's the availability on something like that? Bet when you did accidentally find one, they'd be pretty cost prohibitive. Also, the heat exchange with 'em in an A500 case can't be all that great. I wonder what the reliability factor was like with 'em.
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That board rocks. Much better than the ICD AdSpeed chip I might add too.
But yeah, I sort of always forget about the 040 cards that were available. What's the availability on something like that? Bet when you did accidentally find one, they'd be pretty cost prohibitive. Also, the heat exchange with 'em in an A500 case can't be all that great. I wonder what the reliability factor was like with 'em.
Oh, I can well remember an Amiga Shopper review of A500 cards that included the 33MHz version back in 1992. IIRC it was around 1000 UKP when it appeared. Pretty much out of the question unless you already had a lot of A500 hardware and didn't want to replace it all with a new machine. The performance, however, was absolutely blistering, easily outpacing every other board by a wide margin.
Reliability wise, I can't say but I do know you had to have KS2.04 at least (there was a socket on the card for it I think) as OS 1.2/3 wasn't compatible.
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I wonder what Phase 5 had in mind with the A500 AGA- upgrade....? What happened with the blueprints for that?
Ive tried the Blizzard Turbo board for A500, but unfortunately it wouldnt play along with the Trifecta HD at all, but its a happy couple with the Supra28. Together with Indy ECS, the A500 is a great experience again.
Would be real nice with USB too... Jens, PLEASE???
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Would be real nice with USB too... Jens, PLEASE???
Up until recently, Amigakit had clockport adapters ($20-$30?) for use with Amiga 1000/500/2000. I always wondered if it would be worth hooking a Subway to it since I wasn't aware of any USB drivers for the 68000. Well, now there are (there was a thread about it recently here) and the clockport adapters are now sold out :(
Looks like the 68000 can handle simple USB stuff like input devices and printing...
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A few weeks ago I had a thought but did not want to start a thread on it. I was wondering, if the scematics of a previously developed accelerator card for the A500 become available, then how easy would it be to re-create this?
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That board rocks. Much better than the ICD AdSpeed chip I might add too.
I'm guessing the AdSpeed was a disappointment, compatibility-wise? Have you tried anymore tests since we last wrote?
Unfortunately, I never got to see a manual for AdSpeed, that one was second-hand. I wonder if there were some program parameter tweaks (stack size, etc) that might improve compatibility.
I'm trying your A2088 along with a new 4Meg ram card tonight in a 2000 w/ a Supra 28Turbo. Wish me luck.
Back on topic - Best CPU mounted accelerator - 68010. Big grin.
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1) Midget Racer 030.
2) a lame PC emulator. lol
Yep, lame PC emulator : http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/powerpc (not PowerPC like PPC !!!)
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Yep, lame PC emulator : http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/powerpc (not PowerPC like PPC !!!)
:lol: No kidding! How cool would that be... A500 running AmigaOS4.0 on a trap door PPC expansion board!
@Tenacious - I did test it with a few other programs that yielded about the same results. Compatibility not good at all. I may someday move that to another machine where the expansion RAM sits at a different address and see if that's the conflict. Honestly, I have more testing to do, before I make a solid conclusion. Most of the programs I was playing with needed the Fast Ram, so disconnecting it to check compatibility on a 512kb machine was counterproductive. I did have a SupraTurbo28 once. That didn't give me any problems whatsoever and I noticed a big improvement right away with that thing switched on.
So far, the cheapest "accelerator" solution I've found for a harddriveless A1000 is to optimize disks using B.A.D.! That thing seriously works :)
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I would have said the Progressive Peripherals PP40-500 was the best, at least in raw performance terms ;)
Fear it... (http://www.bboah.com/index.php?action=artikel&cat=46&id=2128&artlang=en)
a very lame board when you consider it only takes 8 mb ram. (and likely into Z2 space so blocking all other expansion !) I'ld take the viper/e-matrix 530 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/ematrix530)any day.:afro:
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Just for the hell of it, I wonder if anybody has ever considered the sidecar->zorro II mod and then shoved a Blizzard 2060 fitted with a 150MHz 603 PPC prototype board in there?
That would be one hardcore A500, though I suspect a tower case may be called for :D
not a 2060 in there yet, but someone did a sidecar->zorro2 mod (http://www.webalice.it/gratteri/a500pro_eng.html) ... only a GFORCE'040 there it seems.
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Zorro expansion card (http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=4617&highlight=zorro) for up two Zorro boards, but the author can make an A2000-compatible connector.
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Up until recently, Amigakit had clockport adapters ($20-$30?) for use with Amiga 1000/500/2000. I always wondered if it would be worth hooking a Subway to it since I wasn't aware of any USB drivers for the 68000. Well, now there are (there was a thread about it recently here) and the clockport adapters are now sold out :(
Looks like the 68000 can handle simple USB stuff like input devices and printing...
Subway with Poseidon drivers (via clockport) is a no-go on stock 68000, needs a 68020 or better. ANAIIS will work for limited scope of devices (keyboard, mouse, printer, maybe even flashdisk).
At least one A500 user with PPS040 have it running on Poseidon; USB comes as part of Ethernet bridge adapter so A500 can go online. Speed appx. 100KBps, limited by availabale clockport bandwidth (1Mbit).
I (and few other member of this forum) tried to reproduce the same scenario, but without any significant progress. It seems that GVP A530 has some nasty tricks in basic design which kills performance of bare machine when USB stack is initialized, too many concurrent CPU polls through clockport, very disappointing.
Getting Zorro2 passthrough sidecar is way to go for A500 expansion options. You can stick an accelerator aside (or on top of CPU, whatever)and still have a single free slot for non-DMA peripheral, like X-Surf NIC.
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a very lame board when you consider it only takes 8 mb ram. (and likely into Z2 space so blocking all other expansion !) I'ld take the viper/e-matrix 530 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/ematrix530)any day.:afro:
That makes 2 of us.
:afro:
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a very lame board when you consider it only takes 8 mb ram. (and likely into Z2 space so blocking all other expansion !) I'ld take the viper/e-matrix 530 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/ematrix530)any day.:afro:
Actually, I don't think it was in the Z2 space. I agree that it would have been nicer if it had a SIMM socket but you can't have everything. 8MB is lame in hindsight but in 1992 that was a fair enough wedge for most users.
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Best accelerator for the A500, CPU mounted?
What can be installed in the trap door socket besides memory?
EDIT: Sad that the 68040 won't run on Kick 1.3 to save the original rom.
I have a Derringer 030 myself. fitted with 50mhz 030, 50mhz 68882 and 32MB ram.
It rocks. in an a 500 it is lightning fast.
If you find one, i recomend it.
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I used to have a Microbotics VXL-030 with the 8mb ram board. It was quite fast and didn't have any compatibility issues that I remember. It also worked very well with the old A590, if I remember correctly. I often miss that old machine.
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The DCE Viper 530 / eMatrix 530 is without a doubt the best accelerator for A500.
030@50MHz
68882@50MHz
128Mbyte RAM
IDE
SCSI II
However they are very rare and I've never seen one for sale on eBay in 10+ years and believe me I've been watching.
If one ever came up I would imagine it would go for silly money (£500+)
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However they are very rare and I've never seen one for sale on eBay in 10+ years and believe me I've been watching. If one ever came up I would imagine it would go for silly money (£500+)
ok, i am going to be flamed ... however doesn't that show the need for such hardware?
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The DCE Viper 530 / eMatrix 530 is without a doubt the best accelerator for A500.
030@50MHz
68882@50MHz
128Mbyte RAM
IDE
SCSI II
However they are very rare and I've never seen one for sale on eBay in 10+ years and believe me I've been watching.
If one ever came up I would imagine it would go for silly money (£500+)
Oh my, the wet dream of A500 expansion.
i guess most bang for buck is the Derringer option...
Although, no ide option on it.
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Hi,
I had (well still have) an Adspeed in a 1 meg chipram, 1 or 2 meg fast ram (on a Supra expansion). I added the switch so I change speed on the fly, but mostly I left it at 14 mhz because I didn't run into many problems. I remember having problems when I had my Baseboard installed - Unreal and a couple of others wouldn't work.
@Tenacious - I did test it with a few other programs that yielded about the same results. Compatibility not good at all. I may someday move that to another machine where the expansion RAM sits at a different address and see if that's the conflict. Honestly, I have more testing to do, before I make a solid conclusion. Most of the programs I was playing with needed the Fast Ram, so disconnecting it to check compatibility on a 512kb machine was counterproductive. I did have a SupraTurbo28 once. That didn't give me any problems whatsoever and I noticed a big improvement right away with that thing switched on.
So far, the cheapest "accelerator" solution I've found for a harddriveless A1000 is to optimize disks using B.A.D.! That thing seriously works :)[/QUOTE]
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That's easy. The Viper 530. :-)
http://www.easygalaxy.net/cfamiga/2009/01/captains-log-star-date-2009011.html
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That's easy. The Viper 530. :-)
http://www.easygalaxy.net/cfamiga/2009/01/captains-log-star-date-2009011.html
Even your memory expansion is cool :)
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That's easy. The Viper 530. :-)
http://www.easygalaxy.net/cfamiga/2009/01/captains-log-star-date-2009011.html
then this looks familiar :)
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220581449006&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_976