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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: amigasociety on March 20, 2010, 09:55:44 PM
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****** This has sold. Thanks for looking. *********
Cyberstorm PPC 68060/50MHz PPC/200MHz Accelerator Board for Amiga 3000(T)-Amiga 4000(T). Includes original box, manual, registration card, 68060/PPC Card, & 4 Floppy Disks. Just like when buying it new. Recent purchase for me and installed it in my A4000T to give a quick confirm the card works. Appears to work nicely. See below link to a short video I made and posted on Youtube that shows it made my A4000T show 82MB memory from my base 18MB. Very cool.
After careful consideration, I think my $ will be better spend getting my A4000T setup in a more basic setup versus maxing everything out and not using it to the fullest. I have so many hobbies right now I figured the stock 68040 will do me fine for my Amiga so I have decided to sell the PPC related items.
I also had purchased the Cybervision PPC Video Card for it also but unable to confirm 100% it works as I thought my generic lcd monitor had a VGA port but alas it does not. The Cybervision was purchased from a fellow Amigaworld member that has been into Amigas a long time and I was told this is a fully operation card so I have no reason to disbelieve that. I just can't test it as I have no vga monitor. You will see the Cybervision also comes in the original box and includes the card, manual, CD ROM, floppy, cable that connects card to port, & the port you mount at rear of computer. Just like when it was purchased new.
I prefer to sell this as a set but if someone wants to buy just the Cybervision itself and I have not sold the Cyberstorm yet, then I would be happy to do that. Just will not sell the Cyberstorm 1st and be sitting on the Cybervision.
Cyberstorm will be $1050 and the Cybervision $375. Together I will discount to $1399 + postage. Firm on prices. Items are sold as-is since this is old electronic goods but the video I just did speaks for itself. (http://www.amibay.com/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
Thanks
Tom
**I may consider partial trades plus $ if you have a stock Amiga 68060 CPU Card or Picasso IV Video Card as I will continue using my A4000T but just don't plan on playing with PPC stuff or the OS 4 so will consider partial trades if you have either of these items.
Here are pictures.
Cyberstorm
http://gallery.me.com/macsociety/100...CF3652/web.jpg (http://gallery.me.com/macsociety/100154/DSCF3652/web.jpg)
Cybervision
http://gallery.me.com/macsociety/100...CF3654/web.jpg (http://gallery.me.com/macsociety/100154/DSCF3654/web.jpg)
Video on Cyberstorm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VyuMYh8Ia0
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Insane!
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Insane!
I started writing a long post and thought better of it....that covers it nicely.
But......the plot thickens..............
Remember this on buying the Cyberstorm from just around here........
"Cyberstorm will be $1050 and the Cybervision $375. Together I will discount to $1399 + postage. Firm on prices. Items are sold as-is since this is old electronic goods but the video I just did speaks for itself."
and a Quote: from a not long ago...............
"No comment I plead the 5th.
Lots of $ and the wife will not be proud. "
Oh man..... Hahaha
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I'd love to know what Tone007 sold it for.....we can see the markup here....and whether it was never knowingly undersold
Sorry dude, there wasn't much room for a markup. Sounds like TJ is just trying to pass it on.
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Sorry dude, there wasn't much room for a markup. Sounds like TJ is just trying to pass it on.
I think atm, those dollar prices are somewhat scary and there's me...only 6 years ago, sold a CS and CV for less than half that. We are nearly into classic car territory at these prices
CS 68060/233 8th Mar Sold For: EUR 650.00 Approximately £585.59 Approximately $898...says it all really and that was quite a lot
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I suppose I'd rather spend $1000 on a rusty old Datsun, but then you have to deal with the oil leak in the driveway.
Either way, I think if it were posted on eBay at that price, it'd go in no time and without a peanut gallery to comment on it.
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Sorry dude, there wasn't much room for a markup. Sounds like TJ is just trying to pass it on.
Yup, passing on at about what I paid. Tj
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I suppose I'd rather spend $1000 on a rusty old Datsun, but then you have to deal with the oil leak in the driveway.
Either way, I think if it were posted on eBay at that price, it'd go in no time and without a peanut gallery to comment on it.
Ouch......Then again its a nice view of the shark tank from up here.........much safer.
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I suppose I'd rather spend $1000 on a rusty old Datsun, but then you have to deal with the oil leak in the driveway.
Either way, I think if it were posted on eBay at that price, it'd go in no time and without a peanut gallery to comment on it.
Figured I would post here before going eBay. This way fellow forum members have 1st chance. Tj
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Figured I would post here before going eBay. This way fellow forum members have 1st chance. Tj
I am going to take a deep breath..................right thats a blog moment just there. I will let it slide.
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Ouch! Does anyone know if the circuit schematics for these are available? If people are willing to pay this much for them, then there is a possibility of making even a small run profitable.
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Ouch! Does anyone know if the circuit schematics for these are available? If people are willing to pay this much for them, then there is a possibility of making even a small run profitable.
Ure not wrong ! ;)
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A few months ago, that guy at computer connection sold off two of these NOS cyberstorm PPC boards for about four or five hundred dollars. By the time I called him, they were both spoken for, but I wonder who picked them up?
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Schematics and diagrams for all Phase 5 products, including the Cyberstorm PPC and the Cybervision PPC are property of DCE (http://www.dce.de).
This questions was asked several times to them, and the answer was that some key components to build those boards were no longer available, and that they wanted someone to pull out all the cash for the production batch before manufacturing them, and that will require a minimum of 40 units by product.
So, it is not viable.
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We are nearly into classic car territory at these prices
Well into classic car turf. A perfect Volvo 240 is what? £700? Mini metro, £500? Rediculous.
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This is like paying 15,000 USD for a 1993 Toyota tercel with 100k miles on it.
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Schematics and diagrams for all Phase 5 products, including the Cyberstorm PPC and the Cybervision PPC are property of DCE (www.dce.de (http://www.dce.de)).
This questions was asked several times to them, and the answer was that some key components to build those boards were no longer available, and that they wanted someone to pull out all the cash for the production batch before manufacturing them, and that will require a minimum of 40 units by product.
So, it is not viable.
While I'm aware that DCE purchased the rights to these designs about ten years ago, that was not really the question. It's unlikely that DCE would allow someone else to use what they would consider their intellectual property.
That being said, does anyone know of a source for that design's schematics (or that of a similar design), so that something similar (but hopefully not infringing on DCE's property rights) could be built?
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Not gonna happen. The engineering work required and limited demand will blow away any semblance of profit from the endeavor. Pay attention to what the FPGA guys are working on though, they're paving the way.
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Not gonna happen. The engineering work required and limited demand will blow away any semblance of profit from the endeavor. Pay attention to what the FPGA guys are working on though, they're paving the way.
So several hundred dollars (if we're not into four figures already) for FPGA hardware makes more sense than a few hundred dollars for simpler hardware (that already has drivers for it)?
With WarpOS, the design of an accelerator shouldn't have to be exactly the same as the design licensed by DCE (and I think it's important to point out that they licensed the design - they don't appear to own it).
Personally, if you're going all the way to an FPGA design, why not scrap the rest (except for maybe the keyboard and mouse). The idea makes retaining your old Amiga hardware kind of pointless.
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So several hundred dollars (if we're not into four figures already) for FPGA hardware makes more sense than a few hundred dollars for simpler hardware (that already has drivers for it)?
With WarpOS, the design of an accelerator shouldn't have to be exactly the same as the design licensed by DCE (and I think it's important to point out that they licensed the design - they don't appear to own it).
Personally, if you're going all the way to an FPGA design, why not scrap the rest (except for maybe the keyboard and mouse). The idea makes retaining your old Amiga hardware kind of pointless.
You can try to design an accel for an old machine and sell it for a few hundred dollars, or you can get an entire machine in an FPGA on a board for a few hundred dollars. You can buy a minimig now, in a bit you can get an AGA milimig, and some time later, Natami which will blow any classic out of the water.
I love my old machines, I'm a classic guy, but it seems I'm spending more time these days with a soldering iron than playing cool games and running demos.
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these days with a soldering iron than playing cool games and running demos.
I can understand that. I just spent a little time a couple nights ago moving a resistor on the back of a Sapphire Radeon 9250 256MB video card (after flashing it with a modified Mac BIOS) so I could install it in a Powermac (with the hope of eventually running MorphOS on it).
And I can understand that the allure of older software is waning as software on other platforms outshines it.
But, I think you've underestimated what the cost of a higher performing system (than the minimig). I don't think the Natami's only going to be a few hundred dollars. Considering the board that they built the first prototype on costs almost a thousand, I'd be surprised if they can produce it for less than $800.
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I love my old machines, I'm a classic guy, but it seems I'm spending more time these days with a soldering iron than playing cool games and running demos.
I hear ya... I'm down to a functional A1200, 2 CPU cards Spare parts, an A600 and a CD32.
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Paying so much for all this stuff...You know for like 90% of the software an A1200 030 is just fine. I actually use and emulator on a netbook to fire up the last Amiga software I tinker with (ImageFX).I was using the VIdeo Toaster Flyer and Lightwave on aPC so t he whole 060/ PPC.
Seemed like the day after I got the board ad whaveter small PPC software there was available at the time the whole WarpoOS vs Phase5 nonsense started back
in the late 1990s...
I paid $750 for my A4000T it was a scala unit used on a cruise ship.
I sold my CSppc for $50 more than I paid for it in 2005. ($850)
I sold the CVPPC for $180 in 2005.
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I started writing a long post and thought better of it....that covers it nicely.
But......the plot thickens..............
Remember this on buying the Cyberstorm from just around here........
"Cyberstorm will be $1050 and the Cybervision $375. Together I will discount to $1399 + postage. Firm on prices. Items are sold as-is since this is old electronic goods but the video I just did speaks for itself."
and a Quote: from a not long ago...............
"No comment I plead the 5th.
Lots of $ and the wife will not be proud. "
Oh man..... Hahaha
I wasn't commenting on the price, it was in response to the fact that the guy spent top dollar to build a tricked out a4k. Surprised to see him sell some of the gear off, then again he's gone through hell and back to get where he is right now.
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I can understand that. I just spent a little time a couple nights ago moving a resistor on the back of a Sapphire Radeon 9250 256MB video card (after flashing it with a modified Mac BIOS) so I could install it in a Powermac (with the hope of eventually running MorphOS on it).
:)
And I can understand that the allure of older software is waning as software on other platforms outshines it.
But, I think you've underestimated what the cost of a higher performing system (than the minimig). I don't think the Natami's only going to be a few hundred dollars. Considering the board that they built the first prototype on costs almost a thousand, I'd be surprised if they can produce it for less than $800.
It's an expensive game to play. I'm surprised that some of the kit out there is as cheap as it is given the low volume runs. 2 years ago I had a bunch of boards made and stuffed based on a design using an 8051 deritive that ended up costing 400 dollars a piece, took 6 months to develop and it wasn't anywhere near as complicated as an accel. 90% of the work I did was pure software.
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I hear ya... I'm down to a functional A1200, 2 CPU cards Spare parts, an A600 and a CD32.
In case you are wondering, I thoroughly ruined that a1200 mobo! :(
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In case you are wondering, I thoroughly ruined that a1200 mobo! :(
Crap... such a shame... too bad the IDE cable got fused to the motherboard on my end. Good for parts harvesting I suppose.
I have a good setup now. I put it all in storage as I wind up spending too much time playing games and tinkering.
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This whole purchase hardware, tinker with it and resell on ebay is a phenomenon I see with Toy collectors. They'll buy some hard to find toy unbox it, tinker a bit... maybe photograph it and resell it on ebay.
I tried to explain this "malody" (ha ha ) to someone in 3rd world South America and they couldn't understand it. Then we want back to dancing and enjoying life!
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So several hundred dollars (if we're not into four figures already) for FPGA hardware makes more sense than a few hundred dollars for simpler hardware (that already has drivers for it)?
Actually FPGA-based HW would be much much simpler than the CS/B-PPC.
2 CPUs from different familes hodgepoched together on a single RAM-bus trying to interface with a computer designed in 1991/2 .....
And that was then, today you would run into even more problems, parts that have gone out of production more than a decade ago, that don't conform to current regulations (ROHS) all to get some HW that never won a prize for relieablity in the 1st place.
Guess again which one would cost more.....
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It's an expensive game to play. I'm surprised that some of the kit out there is as cheap as it is given the low volume runs. 2 years ago I had a bunch of boards made and stuffed based on a design using an 8051 deritive that ended up costing 400 dollars a piece, took 6 months to develop and it wasn't anywhere near as complicated as an accel. 90% of the work I did was pure software.
Yes, I'm familiar with how expensive even simple things can get. An 8051 would be relatively simple, since you might not need to involve surface mounted components and could probably get buy with a board based on a single layer double sided copper clad (and etched) epoxy board.
I spent a few months working on a Freescale MPC8641D based motherboard, only to find that the level of complication and the number of layers required (not to mention the expense) made the prospect of financing a production run almost impossible.
Considering that there are new '60 accelerators available, its probably reasonable to state that the demand for an '060/PPC accelerator would likely be limited. If you want to use a PPC, a SAM440 or a Mac (depending on what OS you wanted to use) would be more practical.
I was just thinking of my own interests, but you're right, the idea is impractical.
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This whole purchase hardware, tinker with it and resell on ebay is a phenomenon I see with Toy collectors. They'll buy some hard to find toy unbox it, tinker a bit... maybe photograph it and resell it on ebay.
I tried to explain this "malody" (ha ha ) to someone in 3rd world South America and they couldn't understand it. Then we want back to dancing and enjoying life!
Im from 3rd world South America...and i dont understand it either.
Could you please explain a little further your point?
Thanks in advance
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All roads lead to FPGA's.
We all want the Holy Grail of the 060 speed.
I favor 030 reliabiliy and compatibility with Full AGA implementation with a VGA card core.
If I want Crazy speed i'll run an emulator.
The whole OS 4 thing would be cool if there was a GOOD software emulator as good as WinUAE. Oh that and actuall hardware.
or Amithlon... Oh yea... the developer of that was replused out of the market.
I dunno. I think it's just cheaper license OS3/ 3.9 and sell a linix based x86 system that boots a minimal linux and goes straing into amiga os.
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Im from 3rd world South America...and i dont understand it either.
Could you please explain a little further your point?
Thanks in advance
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha had this conversation on Buneos Aires...
Well with the crisis that hit there (for folks that don't know about hte subject google Argentine economic collapse) the person I spoke to said that such adoration of antiquated hardware and toys was a waste of time and money when there are much more important things.
I explaind that some folks get drunk or do drugs and other folks collect old hardware or toys. If it makes them happy cool.
In my case Ive since sold off much of those things and just keep 1 plus main system a spare amiga. I no longer use Amigas in my work so I'm relegated to tinkering and games. I just boxed my A1200 tho.
So what's in your collection?
Your website link doesnt work.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha had this conversation on Buneos Aires...
Well with the crisis that hit there (for folks that don't know about hte subject google Argentine economic collapse) the person I spoke to said that such adoration of antiquated hardware and toys was a waste of time and money when there are much more important things.
I explaind that some folks get drunk or do drugs and other folks collect old hardware or toys. If it makes them happy cool.
In my case Ive since sold off much of those things and just keep 1 plus main system a spare amiga. I no longer use Amigas in my work so I'm relegated to tinkering and games. I just boxed my A1200 tho.
So what's in your collection?
Your website link doesnt work.
Well, that explanation makes a lot of sense, specially if you spoke with somebody FROM Buenos Aires...
Usually they have a vision that is completely different that us, people who come from small cities and go to Buenos Aires to study/live.
Crisis? One crisis? :roflmao: We LIVE in permanent crisis!!! we are a country which cant live without some kind of crisis (not just economical, but political, social, you name it, we have it here)
I begun collecting mainly games when i was a teenager, had no $$$ to afford a machine other than a plain A500.
I know my website doesnt work...its always in a "coming soon" state, since i have no $$$ to pay what i owe to the web designer :)...but eventually, it will be up soon...
I also had a blog, but i get tired of...and didnt have enough time to actually update it...so there it is...hidden somewhere :)
I guess that if i had a chance of talking to that persons, we would end up fighting.... damn i already had a huge fight, and one of the main reasons we broke up, with my ex fiancee was, precisaly, my Amiga collection. She couldnt understand that i would spend "so much time with that stupid machines" rather than share more time with her...oh well..woman...
Anyway, back on topic...my collection??
Well...here it goes:
7 x A500
1 x A500+
4 x A1200
2 x A4000
1 x A3000
1 x A2000
1 x A1000
2 x CD32
1 x CDTV
Add to that: about 7.000 floppy disks waiting to be ADFed , around 100 Amiga related CDs, Amiga Format, Amiga Computing, Amiga User International, Amiga World, Amazing Amiga, and CU Amiga complete collections, many more Amiga mags (like Amiga Shopper and The One but not completed) about a dozen of accelerators / memory upgrades/ graphic cards, Catweasel, joysticks, GVP stuff...and many, many more...Vlab Motion, Toccata, Cyberstorm, Cyberstorm PPC, Cybervision, Blizzard 1230, 1240 1260, 2060, PPC, Picasso IV, Picasso II, Cybervision 3D, , Mediator, Elbox Power Tower..., pufff, i lost my memory, but i do have more than this...believe me...and i actually only use 10% of that due to lack of time..have all this stuff in a room which was "ready for the soon to come baby"
Sigh...wish i had the time to play around much more with all my precious stuff, that i got it with a lot of effort (remember, we have a very weak currency, so everything i buy...its very very expensive...)
So you can imagine, all stuff in drawers, boxes...all around the room...togheter with all my Commodore stuff and my small 8 bit/16 bit machines collection....
I begun around 1989/1990 buying all stuff from Amiga shops that were closing first, then , to all my friends who went PC/Mac, then eBay, then Amibay...and here i am...
:laughing:
Yep, try not to make me talk with your friend in Buenos Aires!!!!!! :roflmao:
Regards
Sebastian
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Ahhh you gave up an Argentine Flesh and Blood amiga for the Amiga computer? You deserve a purple heart. You aree a true Amiga warrior.
Gotta love Argentine girls, despite whatever crisis they make sure their hair is done and they have at least one pair of jeans and nice clothes to go out.
If I'm ever back in BS I'd like to visit your Amiga collection. (the computers... not the women)
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Ouch! Does anyone know if the circuit schematics for these are available? If people are willing to pay this much for them, then there is a possibility of making even a small run profitable.
Unfortunately schematics are not the whole story. There are some programmable devices on these accelerators (CPLDs) for which you'd need the software.
Still, I don't really understand why DCE hold on to the information these days to be honest. It's not like they're going to make any more money from holding on to it, and meanwhile our cards get rarer and rarer and prices get higher and higher. Of course, they've nothing to gain from sharing the information with us either. But if you had something in your possession that was not capable of making you any more money, and for which you had no further use, would you deny someone else the chance to get hold of it if they could make something of it? I don't think I would. But then I'm an Engineer, and Engineers don't make good business men ;-)
Even setting aside new production runs, if we had all of the information we could at least repair a whole load more of the cards than we can now.
I have two BPPC cards, both worth a lot of money if working, but both suffering CPLD problems. I could replace the devices in no time, but it's futile unless I can program them. Not good.
Apple_Hammer
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Phase 5 weren't the only people who made Amiga accelerators though. If the Cyberstorm designs can't be sourced, what about the other manufacturers?
I guess the other question is what are people looking for here? If I wanted to run OS4.x, I'd buy a SAM440. I'd like an '060 for the A4000, but I really don't need a PPC chip. What I would like from the CSPPC however, is the UltraSCSI interface.
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This is sold. Tj
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Ahhh you gave up an Argentine Flesh and Blood amiga for the Amiga computer? You deserve a purple heart. You aree a true Amiga warrior.
Gotta love Argentine girls, despite whatever crisis they make sure their hair is done and they have at least one pair of jeans and nice clothes to go out.
If I'm ever back in BS I'd like to visit your Amiga collection. (the computers... not the women)
True Amiga Warrior!! Yep!! Thats me!!!!!
Love that motto!!!
And YES, Argentinian girls rulez!!!! They are among the most beatiful and glamorous in the world!!! :)
If you ever come back to BS (im pretty sure you will)...we have a saying here... "Mi casa es su casa"
You are more than welcome here, and of course, to visit/see my humble Amiga/Commodore collection
Sebastian
Sorry for the off topic
PD: Oh, forgot this: please add 3 x A600 to my list!!
:)