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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: zombie10k on March 16, 2010, 11:45:58 PM
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boy does the commodore name get around. weren't they trying to sell custom PC's a few years ago to complete with Voodoo, Alienware, etc?
looks like they are re-badging a product that might already exist. it does kind of remind me of a retro-appearance in a TI-99 color scheme.
http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/gallery.html
(http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/i//9100_2-1.jpg)
(http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/i//9100_rear-1.jpg)
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boy does the commodore name get around. weren't they trying to sell custom PC's a few years ago to complete with Voodoo, Alienware, etc?
looks like they are re-badging a product that might already exist. it does kind of remind me of a retro-appearance in a TI-99 color scheme.
http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/gallery.html
(http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/i//9100_2-1.jpg)
(http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/i//9100_rear-1.jpg)
looks like an up to date 1200 to me :)
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looks like an up to date 1200 to me :)
Yeah, but WAAAAY uglier!!!
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has more of a c64 feel to me... If I didn't already have this PC, I'd consider it.
And it comes with any OS you choose (Mac OS X Snow Leopard not supported and must be customer installed)
Much respect to the reborn C= for saying it. Though if I were them, I'd be preinstalling aros to troll Hyperion.
EDIT:
Apple OSX can be customer installed using unmodified dvd install disk (requires additional optional hardware).
I heard about that hardware, dunno if it ever got sold.
Is it me or does this new commodore have more sense than the old one? The advertsing is actually good for once.
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This is not commodore as much as I know.
Edit:
Here is where I first saw this:
http://www.homotron.net/2008/03/the_zpc_new_allinone_keyboardp.html
Altough I did find this to support the op:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/the-commodore-name-licensed-again-for-a-line-of-keyboard-pcs/
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Looks like a rebranded Cybernet system.
http://www.cybernetman.com
Picked up an older P4 model for $20 myself recently.
edit: or is Cybernet rebranding systems as well? I'll have to pop mine open and look at the motherboard.
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Here's the machine that's getting rebadged (http://www.cybernetman.com/). We've seen it a few times before here on AO. That trackpad looks uglier every time I see it.
EDIT: Thanks, tone007 :)
And here's news about it (http://www.dailytechlog.com/latest-gadgets/the-commodore-name-licensed-again-for-a-line-of-keyboard-pcs.html). Assuming it's not a big hoax.
At least this is something in line with what the "real" Commodore might have done. Every failed Commodore incarnation since the bankrupcy has been trying to prop up the corpse to make it look like something it never was. This looks like a more sensible down-to-earth strategy.
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Seems like everyone knows about Cybernet, I've removed my previous post.
Still plan on popping mine open. It looks like a 1200 (beige.)
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Seems like everyone knows about Cybernet, I've removed my previous post.
Aww, you didn't need to do that. Redundancy is a good thing :)
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I quite like these "zero footprint" computers, even if they've been around for years.
I like that this one even has a PCI slot which (with a right-angle adapter allows a single full-size card to be inserted with the ports accessed via that pop-off horizontal slot.
It would certainly make a nice WinUAE Amiga running XP with a Catweasel..
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Just buy a Mac Mini, attached it to the back of a monitor and use a bluetooth keyboard. Way better.
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There are only three things that would make this a way better Commodore computer.
1) A Commodore logo. Maybe it has one, but I don't see it.
2) A bootable SD Card/USB key that has a stripped Linux set up to boot as quickly as possible in as non-chatty a way possible to a C64 emulator. Obviously, you would want it to mount the internal drive so that the emulator has access to the disk images.
3) The same with Amiga Forever. Given that WinUAE is by a far margin the best version, the boot card should check to see if Windows is installed with WinUAE and boot directly into that if it is available.
If the really wanted to go the extra mile with the Commodore name, they could do a few other things that would make it pretty much perfect.
1) Include an AROS boot SD/USB.
2) Work with Jens to get a USB version of the Catweasal, or just partner and brand the KryoFlux from the SPS with a Commodore logo. Since it is already a USB drive, all they would need to do is get it into a matching case that can hold either a 3.5 or 5.25 inch floppy drive.
Imagine this machine with a matching USB 3.5" drive... By just leaving the 'KickStart' SD in the front slot, the machine boots as an ultrafast Amiga that runs all of your floppies just like the original.
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I emailed Commodore Gaming to see if they knew about some furniture company selling gear under their trade mark.
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Assuming it will come at a decent price, runs stable without overheating, can run something like Half-Life 2 without slow down, and is able to run Haiku and AROS...
...I'd certainly buy!
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That's not even a new machine! It is called "zero footprint PC" and the reliability is not good.
It is made from a company called Cybernet.
(http://www.cybernetman.com/images/landing_pages/zpc/zpc_thumb_9100.jpg) (http://www.cybernetman.com/en/products/zero-footprint-pc/)
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Yes, I've also known about this Cybernet Keyboard PC for many years.
The pictures on the Commodore site are the same photos I've seen before and don't even have the logo. It's a pity they don't pre-install AROS or provide it on SD card, perhaps someone should communicate with this Commodore company about it, or a dealer could sell it with the option. What is interesting is that they mention that they can help you get MacOSX on it.....cruisin' for a bruisin' from Apple (or some notoriety).
What is a pity, is that it is not the one shown at CES a couple years back which was a far prettier keyboard, closer to a C128/A500(Amiga fantasy) than this one. I wish they had chosen that one for a Commodore PC.
(Let's see if I can find it, and post the picture as I've done before. It was red if I recall)
Edit: Found CeBIT 2007!!!!
(http://www.techdigest.tv/pckeyboard-thumb.jpg)
I don't think the one they have chosen is too ugly though. With a Commodore logo on top and AROS support.....I might even have considered it if I was in the market for a PC. I might still as the higher end seems as powerful as what I have in my tower. Actually....maybe we should embrace this for official AROS support, and make this THE OFFICIAL AROS pc. IMHO some of the lack of appeal surrounding AROS is due to its lack of brand recognition....For those Amigans for which brand appeal is important, you can't do much better than Commodore branding can ya? I know it is not the same company.....but at least we can reminisce? This still runs rings around any of the PPC alternatives both present and future, in a form factor I love. I'd wait and see what the Daddy comes up with regarding an Amiga keyboard first though.
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It doesn;t have wireless support either and loads of legacy ports people just dont want/need/use anymore
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The case I have designed for the SAM/Natami looks better :-) HA!
Soon more pictures!
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@TheDaddy
I thought yours might look better. Love to see it.
I said before, that you should approach ACube, now I think you should also approach Commodore.
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I saw it ages ago on a medical it site.
Crapola.
Probably scored a lot of dumped kit to get rid of. Let's pillage the commordore logo for a few cents more.
Shame shame shame.
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It's a rebranded computer for Commodore. Too bad it's really ugly and has useless legacy stuff as stated here...
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@jj
It doesn;t have wireless support either and loads of legacy ports people just dont want/need/use anymore
So it has more legacy ports than you need.....ummm... so what? As long as it has USB ports why would I care?
As for wireless, this isn't a laptop. All my desktop PCs have wireless N on USB, so why should this be any different?
Edit: Hey they have Mini PCI Express, Internal Wireless 802.11b/g/n as an option!!!
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Obviously not a Commodore computer... more a badge only product. Shame, cus I got quite excited. Trouble with these computers like laptops is that they have that dreaded space at the bottom underneath the keyboard. Exactly why I never use the laptop I was given for work. Just hate it. And as for those keyboard mouse pads.. well get rid of that and get the keyboard in the right place. Otherwise looks OK though wouldn`t buy a $600-$1100 dollar keyboard, even if I'm pretty good at not spilling coffee.
Maybe just a start for the guy and if successful he hopes to expand into more appropriate computers that reflect the aspirations of the user base. After all he got the badge to do that, but sadly for him the nutters like us still around mucking around with the original brands are only going to be tempted by a superior version of that which we already have. A bog standard PC will never wash.... Unless ofcoarse you think sticking a Rolls Royce badge on a bog standard new car is going wash.
scuzz
commodore-amiga-retro
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looks like an up to date 1200 to me :)
didnt like it at first but its growing on me :-)
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Trouble with these computers like laptops is that they have that dreaded space at the bottom underneath the keyboard. Exactly why I never use the laptop I was given for work. Just hate it.
That space is a palm rest. I've used a laptop without it and its utterly terrible. Where are you supposed to put your hands?
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So it has more legacy ports than you need.....ummm... so what? As long as it has USB ports why would I care?
Removing unneeded ports would have allowed to reduce the size of the case, maybe leading to something prettier...
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This has to be a first. Someone shows class Amiga users a computer with a serial and parallel port and they COMPLAIN?! :D
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A new Amiga with a complete OS would be a better thing than this kind of computer, looks like a laptop without screen...
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A new Amiga with a complete OS would be a better thing than this kind of computer, looks like a laptop without screen...
See also:
Every commodore 8-bit, excepting the PET series
Amiga 500
amiga 500+
The mistake of god, amiga 600
amiga 1200
as well as pretty much every computer of the time period.
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Sttooppp !!
It's finally a FAKE !
Read more here: AMIGAIMPACT.FR (http://www.amigaimpact.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3833)
Update March 19, 2010:
Every story, which seemed somewhat preposterous (© Jacques Chirac) is proving to be an April Fool in advance, in any case the assertion site NoWhereElse.fr who led his little investigation. Of course, they also thought it was a shameless copy of the All-in-One Cybernet, but they also went digging on the side of the web site address. Indeed, it is hosted on a free platform the first 10 days (Citymax, so we can assume that that site will disappear around the 26 or March 27). Furthermore, the contact address available on the website of "Commodore USA" is in fact an address linked to a site selling antique furniture.
Hence to say that this is a joke made by a company employee of furniture on his working time, there is not one that we let you cross alone.
and here: nowhereelse.fr (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouveau-pc-commodore-clavier-tout-en-un-30528/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.fr&usg=ALkJrhjezs1rVQJs_1kc6u3ImOU7l5SvvA)
If you need a good computer, read this (see on AMIGAWORLD.NET (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31095&forum=2#547380)): COMMODORE 64@933Mhz (http://translate.google.fr/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fonly.amiga.free.fr%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D410%3Aun-commodore-64--933mhz%26catid%3D1%3Adernieres%26Itemid%3D50&sl=fr&tl=en)
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Why didn't you just post the real C64933 link (http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/)?
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I just received this email from Commodore Gaming:
Dear xxx,
While we are aware of the messages surrounding "Commodore USA" we are not affiliated to them in any way, nor do they own the rights or have a license to use, the commodore name, trademark and/or logo.
At this moment we are in contact with "Commodore USA" regarding this issue.
Best regards,
Taco van Sambeek
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I just received this email from Commodore Gaming:
Muhahah.
This smells almost like Amiga Inc.
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Sttooppp !!
It's finally a FAKE !
Read more here: AMIGAIMPACT.FR (http://www.amigaimpact.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3833)
Update March 19, 2010:
Every story, which seemed somewhat preposterous (© Jacques Chirac) is proving to be an April Fool in advance, in any case the assertion site NoWhereElse.fr who led his little investigation. Of course, they also thought it was a shameless copy of the All-in-One Cybernet, but they also went digging on the side of the web site address. Indeed, it is hosted on a free platform the first 10 days (Citymax, so we can assume that that site will disappear around the 26 or March 27). Furthermore, the contact address available on the website of "Commodore USA" is in fact an address linked to a site selling antique furniture.
Hence to say that this is a joke made by a company employee of furniture on his working time, there is not one that we let you cross alone.
and here: nowhereelse.fr (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.nowhereelse.fr/nouveau-pc-commodore-clavier-tout-en-un-30528/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.fr&usg=ALkJrhjezs1rVQJs_1kc6u3ImOU7l5SvvA)
If you need a good computer, read this (see on AMIGAWORLD.NET (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31095&forum=2#547380)): COMMODORE 64@933Mhz (http://translate.google.fr/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fonly.amiga.free.fr%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D410%3Aun-commodore-64--933mhz%26catid%3D1%3Adernieres%26Itemid%3D50&sl=fr&tl=en)
Without VIC-II or SID it is NOT a C64 for god's sake! A PC is a PC running the same crappy OS as all other PCs...I don't care if it is inside a C64 case. Using a C64 keyboard on a PC is about as lame as these companies get
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I'll Stick with my MacMini and my PCee, this computer aside it's not a real Commodore product, it would be more a sucessor to the Schneider Euro-PC than the A1200.
It has clearly more similarities to the Schneider in all aspects,
for example, back in time it was CRAP either.
XD
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Without VIC-II or SID it is NOT a C64 for god's sake! A PC is a PC running the same crappy OS as all other PCs...I don't care if it is inside a C64 case. Using a C64 keyboard on a PC is about as lame as these companies get
Yep you're right, it's a beautiful project. :) (see below my signature !)
But it's better than this "THE COMMODORE" fake project ! :banana:
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Without VIC-II or SID it is NOT a C64 for god's sake! A PC is a PC running the same crappy OS as all other PCs...I don't care if it is inside a C64 case. Using a C64 keyboard on a PC is about as lame as these companies get
You quoted the wrong post. Also, it's clearly still a C64, but repaired and upgraded with commonly avalible parts. it makes the most logical sense. It's a manyfold improvement. So he can't use floppys or tapes any more. Who cares? floppys, especially those 5.25 ones, suck. they're slow, corrupt easily, and take up space. Tapes? lol.
When will people stop pretending the chips, the very thing that they cannot actually see -
No strike that
- The layout of some transistors inside the chips, something they cannot see, feel, or hear, actually matter. They don't. There is only two things that matters:
1) it works.
2) it can do what it was made for.
Stop acting like a child.
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1) it works.
2) it can do what it was made for.
Stop acting like a child.
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I'm so glad to see "Taco" has the situation under control.
Hopefully is business associates "Enchilada" and "Quesadilla" won't have to step in should thngs get serious.
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All this nonsense gave me a horrible idea, but I did it anyway.
(http://jungle.net/tone/a200.jpg)
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All this nonsense gave me a horrible idea, but I did it anyway.
(http://jungle.net/tone/a200.jpg)
one word
CRAPTACULAR!
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one word
CRAPTACULAR!
Probably better hardware in there than a real amiga...
What actually is it?
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2.something or 3ghz P4. I haven't had it on in a while.
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Probably better hardware in there than a real amiga...
What actually is it?
With the last Amiga released nearly 15 or so years ago I would hope so!
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With the last Amiga released nearly 15 or so years ago I would hope so!
april 2009 actually.
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2.something or 3ghz P4. I haven't had it on in a while.
Standard size motherboard? What make, model?
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No, board is custom made for/by Cybernet. It looks like the A1200's little brother inside.
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I thought so, the Cybernet is such a ridiculous looking thing it had to be a joke.
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You quoted the wrong post. Also, it's clearly still a C64, but repaired and upgraded with commonly avalible parts. it makes the most logical sense. It's a manyfold improvement. So he can't use floppys or tapes any more. Who cares? floppys, especially those 5.25 ones, suck. they're slow, corrupt easily, and take up space. Tapes? lol.
When will people stop pretending the chips, the very thing that they cannot actually see -
No strike that
- The layout of some transistors inside the chips, something they cannot see, feel, or hear, actually matter. They don't. There is only two things that matters:
1) it works.
2) it can do what it was made for.
Stop acting like a child.
erm even today using a dual core CPU JUST FOR reSID it is still not 100% accurate...and who uses DVDs any more...so why bugger up the casing when a small SD card slot where the tape deck is works better.
The shape or colour does not make a C64 what it is, no more than a hat on your head makes you the person you are...it's what's inside that counts in both cases.
The muted colours, the familiar sound of combinations of SID features, the advantages and disadvantages producing the compromises compared to other 8bit machines at the time...THIS is what makes a C64...not some piece of shit mini ITX with an Intel/AMD running an emulator.
Sure it looks cool, but why would I run a compromised bit of kit like that. I have...
The perfect computer for my needs.
A real C64 and CRT display.
So between the two above I have no need for anything else...VICE runs fine with TV output and a Stelladaptor on Wintel box and real C64s of various flavours for the real nostalgia hit of loading music and clanky keyboard :)
You comments surprise me though, not only are you speaking like a spoilt little gates banger but factually incorrect to the disadvantage of the achievements to the manufacturer of the Amiga...both aspects of your character have no place on this Amiga forum TYVM.
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erm even today using a dual core CPU JUST FOR reSID it is still not 100% accurate...
No, just incredibly accurate.
and who uses DVDs any more...so why bugger up the casing when a small SD card slot where the tape deck is works better.
Everyone uses DVDs, apart from cutting edge nerds who've moved to blueray. I don't think I've seen a computer in real life with an SD card slot.
The shape or colour does not make a C64 what it is, no more than a hat on your head makes you the person you are...it's what's inside that counts in both cases.
No, it's what it does. In this case, it runs C64 software.
The muted colours, the familiar sound of combinations of SID features, the advantages and disadvantages producing the compromises compared to other 8bit machines at the time...THIS is what makes a C64...not some piece of shit mini ITX with an Intel/AMD running an emulator.
End result is the same. In fact it's better. You can actually use it as a serious computer now.
Sure it looks cool, but why would I run a compromised bit of kit like that. I have...
The perfect computer for my needs.
A real C64 and CRT display.
Space/Cost.
So between the two above I have no need for anything else...VICE runs fine with TV output and a Stelladaptor on Wintel box and real C64s of various flavours for the real nostalgia hit of loading music and clanky keyboard :)
Point?
You comments surprise me though, not only are you speaking like a spoilt little gates banger but factually incorrect to the disadvantage of the achievements to the manufacturer of the Amiga...both aspects of your character have no place on this Amiga forum TYVM.
In english please?
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Everyone uses DVDs, apart from cutting edge nerds who've moved to blueray. I don't think I've seen a computer in real life with an SD card slot.
Really, what isolated rock do you live on? :laughing:
SD slot is standard on laptops and desktops alike these days, and it has been like this for qutie a few years already.
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Whatever happened to the Commodore Netbooks? Now that's something I'd consider.
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Really, what isolated rock do you live on? :laughing:
SD slot is standard on laptops and desktops alike these days, and it has been like this for qutie a few years already.
Laptops? Sorry, I own a real computer. And i've never seen one on a deskstop, ever. The point is, they are not a Disc replacement. They are for cameras.
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Laptops? Sorry, I own a real computer. And i've never seen one on a deskstop, ever. The point is, they are not a Disc replacement. They are for cameras.
Since when is a laptop not a real computer? Mine runs all the same software as my desktop :)
As for the SD card slot, I'm sure I've seen desktops with built in card readers (can't remember where, I think I've seen Medion and HP machines with them.) And SD cards work fine as disk replacements too - I used to have a netbook that booted AmigaSys from one, and I've used them in place of USB thumb drives if I didn't have one to hand.
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Laptops? Sorry, I own a real computer.
I doubt that, sounds more like a toy of some sort :laughing:
I never cared that much for SD slot, yet, my office quad-core workstation has it (and it's 3 years old or so), my eeepc has it, the lenovos we hand out at work have it, the PS3 has it, the Wii has it (no idea about xbox), this old 3-4 year old HP midi tower has it, the eeeboxes have it, the ASUS pundit here has it. And if that wasn't enough, there are memory card readers buildt into monitors and keyboards as well. Oh, and the minimig has it.
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Even this old joker has it :)
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/i/zpc9100_full.jpg)
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The new commodore company should hire Ben Heck to reproduce his classic C64 laptop. Using real C64 keyboard and mobo, I think he nailed the retro look and feel.
(http://benheck.com/Games/C64/c64_hero.jpg)
(http://benheck.com/Games/C64/c64_hero2.jpg)
(http://benheck.com/Games/C64/c64_7.jpg)
Does anyone remember the A1200 PAWS from the early 90's?
it's fun looking back at the potential of the portable A1200, if a bit comical by todays standards.
(http:// http://www.amiga-hardware.com/display_photos/paws1200_5.jpg)
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So it's an April fool's day hoax then........
Still a very nice looking piece of kit. When I first saw the removable HDD cover plate, it looked a lot like a cartridge port!
My head is still spinning, if it is fake, who would do it and why? If it's real, it's just nothing more than a nicely equipped ZFP computer, that caries on the spirit of the Commodore C64.
Oh well!!
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Going to have to say, what a flop? I'll pass, doesn't look like a modern commodore computer to me. Plus when you go to their website the advertising they are using is surely something a 5 year old has done or perhaps someone stuck it together in 5 minutes using powerpoint or something similar. Hope they didn't pay someone to do it.
Rebranding some (now old) cybernet computer is not a good move. I get a pain in my chest just thinking about what these companies are doing to both Commodore, C64 and the Amiga name.
BTW, just about every computer these days has a card reader....
I'll go back to lurking again d:)