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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mumule on February 28, 2010, 03:15:07 PM
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Just a stupid question, but am I the only one who thinks that there will be room for all of the three ?
They are heading for different uses, and I also noticed that most people have more than one amiga at home ;-)
So, what is the bashing of the "others" all the time ?
cheers
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I want a replacement for an A1200 so I'm only going to fork out according to my needs. If the Natami is hot sh*t hopefully I can get that too.
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Well at the moment the most exciting thing out there as far as I'm concerned, and the one currently destined for my money, is the AGA Mini Mig project. Natami seems to be so slow I'm no longer even holding my breath on it. I hope I'm wrong, but all they seem to do is add to the spec and talk on the forum they setup, which I think was I mistake in itself based on everyone wanting more and more added to it.
What's the replay project?
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The AGA minimig project looks pretty slick.
Im hopeful for Natami but its very much a "it'll be there when its there". I do wish there were more "proof of concept" stuff though
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Room for all three? They all look the same from my point of view. Amiga as firmware... SOPC. Rather than being separate projects, they should combine them all into a central repository so they can all work together.
If we can do that, I foresee 3 board designs...
A full ATX board, complete with a PCIe slot, PCI slots and maybe even a zorro II/III slot or two.
A miniITX board with just the essentials, since that seems to be the "in thing."
And the holy grail, a replacement motherboard for a commonly found used laptop. Probably one of the Dells.
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What's the replay project?
Hardware MiniMig AGA (and more) will run on, so two of the three in topic here are the same.
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Hardware MiniMig AGA (and more) will run on, so two of the three in topic here are the same.
Did I mixed it up ?
minimig : the original Dennis van Weeren Minig mit with a real mc68k and FPGA
replay : minimig AGA, aka fpgaarcade, : http://www.fpgaarcade.com
natami : http://www.natami.de
Three different projects ?
Cheers
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The FPGA Arcade is just a new version of the MiniMig with a bigger FPGA and more expandability. The FPGA code running on it is essentially the same with a few perks added (such as AGA implementation). The original MiniMig is made obsolete by this board so I wouldn't call it a separate project. It's more like a sequel to the original MiniMig.
The Natami team offered to let the MiniMig/FPGA Arcade team use code from the 68050 subproject but I don't know if the closed-source license scared the MiniMig/FPGA Arcade developers off or what the deal is there.
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1500 posts for me! Yay!
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I would say the Replay is a lot more than just a new version of the Minimig, it is supposed to implement alot more than just an amiga :)
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There is definitely room for all three of these projects. I don't get the NatAmi bashing, they're making steady progress.
Hats off the FPGA guys. I got a cyclone III dev kit in the mail the other day, it took me a good 12 hours to get an led to blink, lol. I really don't know what I'm doing and haven't made much progress even after reading a dozen VHDL tutorials. I've ordered a Spartan 3E dev board and a VHDL training kit, waiting for that to come in the mail.
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Did I mixed it up ?
minimig : the original Dennis van Weeren Minig mit with a real mc68k and FPGA
replay : minimig AGA, aka fpgaarcade, : http://www.fpgaarcade.com
natami : http://www.natami.de
Three different projects ?
Cheers
There are actually four projects if you count CloneA ;)
If the FPGA Arcade delivers, then yes the old MiniMig project will be superseded.
There has not been any news on the (supposedly completed) CloneA project for years now so who knows on that front?
Natami continues to tick along slowly....
My money at this point would be on the FPGA Arcade getting to market.
What I would personally like to see is a modern hardware implementation of the AGA chipset with some of the extra's already discussed in the FPGA Arcade thread :)
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Did I mixed it up ?
minimig : the original Dennis van Weeren Minig mit with a real mc68k and FPGA
replay : minimig AGA, aka fpgaarcade, : http://www.fpgaarcade.com
natami : http://www.natami.de
Three different projects ?
Cheers
That looks about right.
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There are actually four projects if you count CloneA ;)
If the FPGA Arcade delivers, then yes the old MiniMig project will be superseded.
There has not been any news on the (supposedly completed) CloneA project for years now so who knows on that front?
Natami continues to tick along slowly....
My money at this point would be on the FPGA Arcade to getting to market.
What I would personally like to see is a modern hardware implementation of the AGA chipset with some of the extra's already discussed in the FPGA Arcade thread :)
Didnt MikeJ (Right person ?) say that the first FPGAArcade boards go to production, like Today or something ?
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Didnt MikeJ (Right person ?) say that the first FPGAArcade boards go to production, like Today or something ?
That's why I said my money would be on the FPGA Arcade getting to market ;)
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The AGA minimig project looks pretty slick.
Im hopeful for Natami but its very much a "it'll be there when its there". I do wish there were more "proof of concept" stuff though
The fact that Minimig/CloneA/FPGArcade exist is a "proof of concept" for NATAMI.
Infact the FPGArcade board might be able to be used to test the N050 cpu that the NATAMI team are designing.
One hand can wash the other with these projects...
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Didnt MikeJ (Right person ?) say that the first FPGAArcade boards go to production, like Today or something ?
Minimig AGA.
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Minimig AGA.
Didnt Yaqube say that the AGA core wont fit in to the FPGA of a minimig ?, so at least, the video he has of AGA running, was on a FPGAArcade board ?
Unless you want to totally redesign the Minimig board to accept a *MUCH* more dense FPGA.
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FPGA - ACRADE / MINIMIG
- is it true that the fpga-arcade-board will be all-in-one ?
- will it be possible to play amiga-ecs and amiga-aga games on it ?
- will it also be able to play c64 and atari-st games ?
- is it as good as the alreday released "minimig" (for amiga) or will there be differences in the amiga-rebuild ?
- will there be a nice enclosure, or is it just the board ?
- i have read nothing about the price ? how much will it be ?
i want to buy an lcd and use it for all retro-things. it must be a 15" 1024x768 lcd panel in order to get crispy clear picture for the voodoo2-sli bundle.
the plan is to connect 4 machines with "aten kvm petite 4" with one lcd.
which 15" 4:3 1024x768 lcd/tft should i buy in order to also support of the 31,5 Khz 50 hz native output of the minimig/fpga-board ?
if there is no such tft/lcd; which one is highly recommended in order to get the best looking image for minimig/fpa-arcade ?
the original 1084s monitor was about 13", so i think the smaller the lcd, the better the image? is that true ?
Thx
Doc
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- is it true that the fpga-arcade-board will be all-in-one ?
yes, it will support multiple cores from an initial boot menu.
- will it be possible to play amiga-ecs and amiga-aga games on it ?
yes.
- will it also be able to play c64 and atari-st games ?
yes
- is it as good as the alreday released "minimig" (for amiga) or will there be differences in the amiga-rebuild ?
modified code built on the same codebase, so at least as good as.
- will there be a nice enclosure, or is it just the board ?
just the board for now, people are working on cases. It fits in a mini-itx case.
- i have read nothing about the price ? how much will it be ?
mmm still working the numbers.
/MikeJ
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thanks mike!
- do you have any suggestions for the best small ftf/lcd-monitor ?
- someone told me that the fpga's need to be reprogrammed for each "rebuild" (i.g. if i choose amiga und after that c64) and that will damage the fpgas in a short time peroid ?
Thx
Doc
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I've got a LG M227WD as it was cheap and takes in 15K RGB (scart) and svhs/composite as well as HDMI. It is bad at re-sizing, but you get what you pay for.
The FPGAs are like a memory, you can reprogram it as many times as you want without any problem. It forgets the configuration when the power goes off.
The boot menu takes care of this, you select the platfom you want and it will reconfigure the FPGA. It takes a few seconds.
/Mike
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thx again mike! that sounds really great! hopefully this is not too expensive ;-)
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everyone who owns/uses a minimig should tell the world,
which display he uses, a link to a picture would be helpfull.
http://www.opencircuits.com/Minimig_display_compatibility
i expect this one would be good, because it is not so big, but it syncs only above 56hz.
http://www.bluechipit.com.au/content/PDF_Files/AU25048_spec.pdf