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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Wayne on February 24, 2010, 06:13:26 PM
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I've been noticing over the last few days a number of stories explaining how major web sites, from YouTube to PayPal and others are quickly phasing out support for the now long-decaying Internet Explorer 6.x...
I then start to thinking that even the newest Amiga browser for the classic platform was created long before IE4 was even invented, and I begin to ponder the impact on the platform.
I know this is all pretty much troll bait, but that's REALLY not my intent. The lack of a real browser on the platform IS a pet peeve of mine, but I guess my only real question is this:
If there isn't even one developer or hobbyist in this community willing -- or able -- to step up and write a browser that's even basics compatible with modern standards, what will you guys do when the world adapts HTML 5 (which is coming VERY soon)?
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b-b-but Wayne! Firefox for OS4 will be out Real Soon Now(TM)!
LOL
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...and owb for os4.x and mos2.x are very good, so far...
now, if you are talking about 68k-wb3.x, we are in 2010, it's time to move on, isn't it?
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Carry on doing as I do now. Use Lynx!!!! :roflmao:
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Who needs a brower at all with all that graphic crap, I just use Amiga Inc's latest and greatest product... Telnet force.
Fidonet lives!
Steven
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b-b-but wayne! Firefox for os4 will be out real soon now(tm)!
Lol
pmsl!!!
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We'll....this is one of the main reasons that I haven't used an Amiga as my main machine since maybe 1998? :)
I've been noticing over the last few days a number of stories explaining how major web sites, from YouTube to PayPal and others are quickly phasing out support for the now long-decaying Internet Explorer 6.x...
I then start to thinking that even the newest Amiga browser for the classic platform was created long before IE4 was even invented, and I begin to ponder the impact on the platform.
I know this is all pretty much troll bait, but that's REALLY not my intent. The lack of a real browser on the platform IS a pet peeve of mine, but I guess my only real question is this:
If there isn't even one developer or hobbyist in this community willing -- or able -- to step up and write a browser that's even basics compatible with modern standards, what will you guys do when the world adapts HTML 5 (which is coming VERY soon)?
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I get a disturbing percentage of hits on the old browser proxy by browsers claiming to be IE running on Windows XP. No doubt a certain number of those are amiga browsers spoofing the user agent, but still...
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If there isn't even one developer or hobbyist in this community willing -- or able -- to step up and write a browser that's even basics compatible with modern standards, what will you guys do when the world adapts HTML 5 (which is coming VERY soon)?
But Wayne, you forget Amiga users live in an alternate universe where it is the 1990's forever. Rest easy, CSS, Web 2.0 and HTML 5 will never be invented!
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But Wayne, you forget Amiga users live in an alternate universe where it is the 1990's forever. Rest easy, CSS, Web 2.0 and HTML 5 will never be invented!
Sad Sad Sad..
(Did this post come thru? It doesn't look good on my browser.. I think I need to reinstall... Where's my NCSA Mosaic disk 1??)
desiv :)
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unfortunately we are in the era of ''Only Amiga can't makes it possible'' :sealed:
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....what will you guys do when the world adapts HTML 5 (which is coming VERY soon)?
By "the world", you mean Youtube?
It's on my list, right after the upgrade to IPV6. That's coming soon you know!!
:banana:
desiv
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Gave up even trying to browse the web on an Amiga in 2001. Even by then it was unusable.
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We goto great lengths to ensure our website breaks HTML standards so that it looks and works consistent on Amiga browser IBrowse as well as Firefox, Safari, IE etc.
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and we respect and thank you for your efforts but how many other important sites out there care about amiga limitations in 2010?
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...but how many other important sites out there care about amiga limitations in 2010?
You mean in general, or sites that deal specifically with or about the Amiga?
desiv
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You mean in general, or sites that deal specifically with or about the Amiga?
desiv
i mean in general, because we like it or not, life is not just amiga...
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The situation is more or less resolved on OS4 and MorphOS... and I guess AROS, too, but I don't follow it much.
But the largest percentage of Amiga users are still on OS3, and that will continue to be the case as long as there's WinUAE and Amiga Forever. Yeah, you could just switch over to the host system to use Firefox, but a native browser would make for a more seamless experience.
I don't know why it's taking so long to get OS3 to the same level as the other systems. There's an awkward re-port of NetSurf (why didn't they just backport the OS4 version?)...
I still think a bounty could help.
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Yeah, at this stage I'm not sure what the point would be.
The web is really advancing. Even if we got Flash and CSS support we are behind. 3D in the browser, HTML5,
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Yeah, i saw i many sites that message for thats "supported browsers" users.
I think many sites are comming very heavy, you know, like Facebook, Hi5, and many others where you with any Peeezzeee and Windowzzz many times you encountered a few problems, anyway i dont fell this resources request in this heavy sites make a big improve, the only thing is its more spending computer resources.
Anyway, my all time question for the Software developers is, its so hard develop a Web Browser?.. You know, becouse i see during all this past year for Amiga was very hard find any Web Browser equal to others OS Browsers, all the time in the Amiga browsers are under the others Browsers, always wanting something, making incompatible with some Sites.
Now, if your Amiga is with OS 3.X, i am aware thats Amiga are making too much browsing the Web in this times (2010), but are nice use that system today!.. but maybe its time to upgrade to OS 4.x. if you want access to sites like Youtube and others. Other thing is the Amiga Configuration, becouse if you have any 030, 040, 060, and 18MB Ram, i dont know how works any Site like youtube in any Amiga with that configuration.
Maybe i will need obtain a Kickstart Chip 3.1!.. and update to 4.X. But the other problem is somethings like the Netsurf Browser, this will not run without Gpx card!.. then in your "very"Classic Amiga (Native Video Mode), you cant run a new browsers..
For the moment there is more to use what's available and see how far reaches
Regards-
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I see two options for 68k machines.
1) Identify the browser as a mobile browser. While this won't give perfect access to everything, it may delay the inevitable by delivering page versions that have been designed for phones, and thus are lighter versions of the same site.
2) Use a VNC client to run the browser on the Linux server in the closet while delivering the screen to the Amiga. I'm doubting that there are many 100% Amiga users left, and the number of users with a server that could do the heavy lifting of the browser is only going up.
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TimberWolf is coming soon and OWB works great on OS4.x.. :-)
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Stuff like this is pretty amazing....
http://o3d.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/beachdemo/beachdemo.html
I love my Amiga's more than anything, but they can't do this outside the browser :(
Of course there is this...
http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/chiptunecom-gui/
Coming full circle. Amiga OS IN the browser. Ironically if you look at the "Links" window on the desktop you can surf many sites in full glory which you can't of course do on a real Amiga. There a link to ASCI arena etc.
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Stuff like this is pretty amazing....
http://o3d.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/beachdemo/hbeachdemo.html
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This Link dont work for me.. :-[
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This Link dont work for me.. :-[
Oops, some how had an h in front of the word beach. The link should work now.
Posting this from inside WB1.3 at Chiptune.com ;-) Found a way to get to google and then to Amiga.org :-)
This is how 1.3 should have been!! Would have really rocked the 90s!