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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmiDelf on February 23, 2010, 12:01:26 PM
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People asks about the cheapest way to enter Amigaworld on? Get a MacMini G4 and you have a superb Amiga system which your gf or wife even will tolerate. What stops you going for a cheap MacMini really?
You can get it upto 1.5GHz with lots of MEM and good HD space... Amiga community should start to care more of each other, either its red or blue or black. Inform people that cheapest way to enter Amigaworld at the moment is to get a MacMini and it got the SPEED!...
Think of it! Help Amigaworld community you also!
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I mostly agree, it is lowest cost for entry for a NG Amiga clone. That is unless you include Efika, which is underwhelming for a desktop. I very much dislike the licensing scheme though. If the MorphOS team "pulls a Holger Kruse", registered users may be screwed if they require a re-install.
It doesn't appear that registration costs of MorphOS are displayed any longer. How much does it cost to register in USD at today's rates? If only shown in EUR I can convert. Money is exceedingly tight atm. I've been tempted for a while
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People asks about the cheapest way to enter Amigaworld on? Get a MacMini G4 and you have a superb Amiga system which your gf or wife even will tolerate. What stops you going for a cheap MacMini really?
So does that mean you bought one now? Oh and I think Amigas are only available second hand now, you could probably find some cheaper than a mini, or maybe a minimig? :)
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It doesn't appear that registration costs of MorphOS are displayed any longer. How much does it cost to register in USD at today's rates? If only shown in EUR I can convert. Money is exceedingly tight atm.
The cost is still EUR 150, click here (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=150&From=EUR&To=USD) for the price in USD, someone said it's slightly lower at the moment, think I've seen 220 USD mentioned earlier.
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The cost is still EUR 150, click here (http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=150&From=EUR&To=USD) for the price in USD, someone said it's slightly lower at the moment, think I've seen 220 USD mentioned earlier.
Thanks for the info. The USD has improved against the EUR lately so that is helping.
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Congrats to MOS team!
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Congrats to MOS team!
SHHHHH!!!!! Don't tell anyone how well a MacMini runs MorphOS, it will drive up the price of PPC Mac minis...
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I can tell you after waiting years for something reasonable to appear, I purchased a Mac Mini 1.5ghz + License for a little more than $500 USD and have zero regrets on the purchase especially considering the price/performance ratio. It's also nice to be able to boot into Mac OS X once in a while.
IKE
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SHHHHH!!!!! Don't tell anyone how well a MacMini runs MorphOS, it will drive up the price of PPC Mac minis...
Sales to Amiga users will be a pimple on the butt of all 2nd hand G4 Mac Mini sales. Scan your local Craigslist, I've seen some much better deals than eBay and no shipping costs or eBay/PayPal markup.
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Last time i checked it was much cheaper & more compatible to buy an X86 and run the real Aos under emulation
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I very much dislike the licensing scheme though. If the MorphOS team "pulls a Holger Kruse", registered users may be screwed if they require a re-install.
Only if
a) you lose your backup of the key (i have copies of my keys in my regular general back up files, an usb pen and a webdrive).
AND
b) The MorphOS team leaves the scene w/o a general MorphOS key (which I doubt they would).
That said the reg scheme could be better indeed.
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Last time i checked it was much cheaper to buy an X86 and run the real Aos under emulation
Depends what you want to do. If you want to play 68K games, yup. If you want to use the latest PPC apps, nope. With UAE on a PC you are limited to OS3.9. MorphOS 2.X has progressed far beyond that.
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Last time i checked it was much cheaper to buy an X86 and run the real Aos under emulation
Can be cheaper, but ain't the same fun and power (I used UAE quite a lot and use it still today (but much lesser)). But for sure that depends on taste and usage. UAE is pretty important of course.
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Only if
a) you lose your backup of the key (i have copies of my keys in my regular general back up files, an usb pen and a webdrive).
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b) The MorphOS team leaves the scene w/o a general MorphOS key (which I doubt they would).
That said the reg scheme could be better indeed.
What if you still have your key, but your Mac Mini gives up the blue smoke? My wife's new Mac Mini (x86) gave up the smoke after 1.25 years, so the reliability of 2nd hand machines can be of concern. Will your key work on another Mac mini? My understanding is no. In that case if the MOS team pulled a Kruse, the user would be screwed. I'm not saying they would, just they could and there is precedence for it in the kommunity.
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People asks about the cheapest way to enter Amigaworld on? Get a MacMini G4 and you have a superb Amiga system which your gf or wife even will tolerate. What stops you going for a cheap MacMini really?
You can get it upto 1.5GHz with lots of MEM and good HD space... Amiga community should start to care more of each other, either its red or blue or black. Inform people that cheapest way to enter Amigaworld at the moment is to get a MacMini and it got the SPEED!...
Think of it! Help Amigaworld community you also!
And while MorphOS for the Mac mini is available since October 2009 the next update will introduce support for even cheaper hardware: PowerMac G4!
3rd party accelerators reach clocks up to 2 GHz.
Bog standard ~1 GHz PowerMac g4s are ridiculously cheap.
Also on the list: eMac (not confirmed when support is thought to be included)
and probably some Powerbooks (no final decision if and when).
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What if you still have your key, but your Mac Mini gives up the blue smoke? Will your key work on another Mac mini? My understanding is no. In that case if the MOS team pulled a Kruse, the user would be screwed. I'm not saying they would, just they could and there is precedence for it in the kommunity.
No the key works only on teh maschine you reg'ed it to (MAC). But as long as the team is there and you can provide evidence that your maschine is broken, you'll get a new key. If the leam leaves and doesn't provide a general key then, you're indeed in the Kruse situation. But I doubt the team will give up within the next 24 months - and after 24 month I think the cost is written off anyway.
PS: I understood reinstall as a new installation on a new hardware. And for that situation post #11 is true.
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And while MorphOS for the Mac mini is available since October 2009 the next update will introduce support for even cheaper hardware: PowerMac G4!
3rd party accelerators reach clocks up to 2 GHz.
Bog standard ~1 GHz PowerMac g4s are ridiculously cheap.
Also on the list: eMac (not confirmed when support is thought to be included)
and probably some Powerbooks (no final decision if and when).
Do you have a link?? I asked about PowerMac G4 (on AO, not MOS team) support a week or so ago and was told this was not planned nor likely. That would rock.
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Do you have a link?? I asked about PowerMac G4 (on AO, not MOS team) support a week or so ago and was told this was not planned nor likely. That would rock.
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6684&forum=11
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What if you still have your key, but your Mac Mini gives up the blue smoke? My wife's new Mac Mini (x86) gave up the smoke after 1.25 years, so the reliability of 2nd hand machines can be of concern. Will your key work on another Mac mini? My understanding is no. In that case if the MOS team pulled a Kruse, the user would be screwed. I'm not saying they would, just they could and there is precedence for it in the kommunity.
Sure... I suppose they could all agree to screw over their users, but having been a MorphOS user for close to 7 years now I don't see that in the immediate future.
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But I doubt the team will give up within the next 24 months - and after 24 month I think the cost is written off anyway.
This is the Amiga kommunity, we are used to trying to squeeze 20+++ years out of a computer/OS ;-)
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http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6684&forum=11
Fantastic, thank you! When my financial situation gets worked out this will be a slam dunk, crappy license scheme or not.
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People asks about the cheapest way to enter Amigaworld on? Get a MacMini G4 and you have a superb Amiga system which your gf or wife even will tolerate. What stops you going for a cheap MacMini really? ...
actually the cheapest way to run an Amiga clone would be to run AROS on any old PC really or a modern netbook...(they actually have a modern PC configured just for AROS use for 149 EURO now too)...they have come a long way and from what I hear 68k games work great !
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No the key works only on teh maschine you reg'ed it to (MAC). But as long as the team is there and you can provide evidence that your maschine is broken, you'll get a new key. If the leam leaves and doesn't provide a general key then, you're indeed in the Kruse situation. But I doubt the team will give up within the next 24 months - and after 24 month I think the cost is written off anyway.
PS: I understood reinstall as a new installation on a new hardware. And for that situation post #11 is true.
Has the question been asked as to the possibility of upgrading say an Efika MorphOS license to a MacMini License? I have an Efika, but would love to have my MacMini 1.5 running without the registration reminder:). I have a MacMini 1.5 running dual boot Mac OS X and MorphOS 2.4, but I have not been able to get around the fact that I own a license on MorphOS on an inferior hardware setup. If I could pay a "small" upgrade price to move it from my Efika to my MacMini would be appreciated immensely.
The Dawg
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oh and AROS registration is FREE.. so coupled with this deal for Imica system (http://www.clusteruk.com/SitePortalP...cfid=0&did=118) ..the title of this thread should be modified :-)
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from what I hear 68k games work great !
Yeah, I forgot! x86 pcs totally have the chipset and everything!
What if you still have your key, but your Mac Mini gives up the blue smoke? My wife's new Mac Mini (x86) gave up the smoke after 1.25 years, so the reliability of 2nd hand machines can be of concern. Will your key work on another Mac mini? My understanding is no. In that case if the MOS team pulled a Kruse, the user would be screwed. I'm not saying they would, just they could and there is precedence for it in the kommunity.
Bathtub curve. If a machine still works after a couple of years, it'll work for centuries. Leaky caps and hard disks not withstanding, but that's really more maintenance than anything else.
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Has the question been asked as to the possibility of upgrading say an Efika MorphOS license to a MacMini License? I have an Efika, but would love to have my MacMini 1.5 running without the registration reminder:). I have a MacMini 1.5 running dual boot Mac OS X and MorphOS 2.4, but I have not been able to get around the fact that I own a license on MorphOS on an inferior hardware setup. If I could pay a "small" upgrade price to move it from my Efika to my MacMini would be appreciated immensely.
The Dawg
Yes, the question has been asked before. The answer to that question is: no, you cannot move the license from your working Efika to the Mac mini.
I think this situation is a bit unfortunate, but also understandable since there is no way to warrant that the Efika key ultimately gets destroyed (only the word of the user).
Suggested approaches for now:
a) sell your Efika w/ key for a fair price and re-register your mini for the retail.
b) bite the sour apple and do a 2nd registration (I did).
Once/if MorphOS gets a bit wider spread maybe the registration scheme can get a bit more friendly. For now the team decided for a very strict scheme because it is relatively easy to maintain. But I would favour a odification of the current scheme, too (my best suggestion: lower the registration price to 99.99 EUR).
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The MorphOS license scheme is the main reason I dumped MorphOS after 6 years, allthough I still find it the best of the three Amiga OS clones and the only one I'm interested in. I want to be free to use a registered MorphOS copy on another computer if I decide to upgrade to a better one. As long as this restriction remains in the license scheme I won't buy another MorphOS capable computer again. I won't buy any OS with such a license scheme.
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The MorphOS license scheme is the main reason I dumped MorphOS after 6 years, allthough I still find it the best of the three Amiga OS clones and the only one I'm interested in. I want to be free to use a registered MorphOS copy on another computer if I decide to upgrade to a better one. As long as this restriction remains in the license scheme I won't buy another MorphOS capable computer again. I won't buy any OS with such a license scheme.
Thanks zylesea for the update and suggestions. I agree with you Tempest as to the unfairness of the license scheme used for MorphOS. I have been watching my $$ very close and I cannot justify at this time on another license to expand my appreciation of the MorphOS. I must use Windows as its my main work OS, but I do so grudgingly for their contempt on us licensees. At least with Windows I can reinstall the licensed OS if I upgrade my computer system, which does not say much for MorphOS.
The Dawg
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I like MorphOS very much. But I must admit the prize and the scheme of the licence is a weak point for MorphOS. I often present MorphOS to friends but when I say "you must pay 150 euros, and it's only for one computer", these friends are less motivated to try MorphOS further.
I hope a ultra cheap solution (PowerMac G4 -100 euros- with new MorphOS licence -99 euros-) will be available soon.
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Are they still charging VAT to non-VAT countries? I resisted registering my Efika for this reason.
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Yeah, I forgot! x86 pcs totally have the chipset and everything!
ya and MacMini's have the chipset too right?.....I run all my favourite 68k games great on my Samflex@800 running OS4.1 with glUAE so there's no reason why a quick PC running AROS should'nt run them too
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I never knew that about the liscense. Thats a strange thing, wanna upgrade your computer? You have to pay us AGAIN.
Thats a bit strange and I never heard of that kind of liscense before.
This would give me second thoughts as I don't want to pay 225-250$ and then be stuck at one speed forever, that kind of kills my excitement for morphos right there.
The one thing I'll say is that I absolutely hate mac os but I've always thought a few of the macs, like the macg4 towers were slick looking.
I don't like mini anything, not enough room in there but if they had it working for 1ghz+ g4 towers, I'd probably buy a copy.
Steven
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I never knew that about the liscense. Thats a strange thing, wanna upgrade your computer? You have to pay us AGAIN.
Well... it means that you'd better find a buyer with an interest in MorphOS for your old hardware. It's certainly not ideal, but I guess there aren't many other ways to reliably avoid piracy or abuse of the licensing system.
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Sales to Amiga users will be a pimple on the butt of all 2nd hand G4 Mac Mini sales. Scan your local Craigslist, I've seen some much better deals than eBay and no shipping costs or eBay/PayPal markup.
Craigslist is great, I guess, unless you live in the boonies like me.
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Is "Holger Kruse" a verb, now?
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I never knew that about the liscense. Thats a strange thing, wanna upgrade your computer? You have to pay us AGAIN.
Not if you want to upgrade the computer, but if you want to switch the computer. I.e. get a PowerMac G4 1 GHz. Upgrade to 1.8 GHz later and it works. Plus, at least all 2.x updates are free! Other OS vendors charge with updates.
As said, the licensing scheme is not ideal, but currently the only way to avoid mis-usage of licenses (use one license on several maschines). I'd be happy if the fee was a bit lower, since I think more ppl would register then.
But if you calculate a bit it ain't that expensive. If you expect just 2.5 years of usage (I used my Pegasos for 7 years 2002-2009 as main MorphOS maschine) that is 5 EUR/month. My internet account is way more expensive... It is a thing of calculation and relation. Let's see if I will find this thread in spring 2012 to post whether my Mac mini with MorphOS was used 30 months (I noted the date and forum link in PolyOrga now)...
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ya and MacMini's have the chipset too right?.....I run all my favourite 68k games great on my Samflex@800 running OS4.1 with glUAE so there's no reason why a quick PC running AROS should'nt run them too
What's the point in even saying 68k games "work great" then? That's not a selling point. 68k amiga games "work great" on a mobile phone.
I like the idea of an open source amiga os, but it's failed to do what it set out to do, and what it set out to do became a very outdated idea, very fast.
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What's the point in even saying 68k games "work great" then? That's not a selling point. 68k amiga games "work great" on a mobile phone....
because that's important to me as both a classic owner and OS4.1 owner and I have owned many mobile phones and smart phones and 68k games work like crap on them !....nothing compares to good ol joystick in hand fun unless youre a teenager and used to playing around with your thumbs and a 2 inch screen :-)
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Depends what you want to do. If you want to play 68K games, yup. If you want to use the latest PPC apps, nope. With UAE on a PC you are limited to OS3.9. MorphOS 2.X has progressed far beyond that.
Indeed it depends on what you want. I have two machines with MorphOS, but UAE is much more convenient since I can use it everywhere. The result is that I rarely find myself in MorphOS, but mess around with AmigaOS3.9 almost daily. Sadly for MorphOS there aren't really that many native apps for around that makes it so much better than UAE and 3.9. Also there's lots of quirks with MorphOS that I dont fancy at all, luckily the compatibility is good enough for many of the old 68k OS components to work.
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I bought a morphos machine, and got one with nothing wrong with it. Big mistake.
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I bought a morphos machine, and got one with nothing wrong with it. Big mistake.
Huh ???
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Huh
I think a better response would have been "meh" ;)
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I think a better response would have been "meh" ;)
Whoops! Wrong smiley, edited. I simply don't get the point, but I could be thick:)
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What if you still have your key, but your Mac Mini gives up the blue smoke? My wife's new Mac Mini (x86) gave up the smoke after 1.25 years, so the reliability of 2nd hand machines can be of concern. Will your key work on another Mac mini?
@Red
Keep in mind the word X86, x86 macs are lower quality than ppc macs generally speaking. IDK about the MOS key, its dongled to the HW.
@ Thread
I now have a powermac G4 MDD 1.5 ghz (1.25 OC) with 512 meg ram and tiger on a 140gig HDD. Cost me about $60, and runs better than what I had, a P4 3ghz winxp pro 1GB machine. I'll probably upgrade to leopard when i get more ram, hack ilife 09 to run on it (change an address line in HEX) and put debian linux with hosted AROS and MorphOS 2.5 registered with a key ona CD and external HDD.
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I should explain. A broken machine would be more useful to me, because that way I could throw it in the bin without feeling guilty. As it is, I can't, because there's nothing actually wrong with it. The 128MB ram limit makes it totally useless as a computer, by design.
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I should explain. A broken machine would be more useful to me, because that way I could throw it in the bin without feeling guilty. As it is, I can't, because there's nothing actually wrong with it. The 128MB ram limit makes it totally useless as a computer, by design.
What are you talking about? As far as I am aware, no G4 Mac mini has ever been sold with less than 256MB of ram and 32MB video RAM. It isn't as if many amiga apps even need anything like that much memory.
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@karlos
He is talking about the Efika, which i think OS4 would've been perfect on btw. The Efika, however, is the only ppc machine that was affordable up until ppc macs for MOS
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I should explain. A broken machine would be more useful to me, because that way I could throw it in the bin without feeling guilty. As it is, I can't, because there's nothing actually wrong with it. The 128MB ram limit makes it totally useless as a computer, by design.
Try to sell the Efika and buy a key for your mini. The demand for Efikas is not the highest, but there are ppl out there who like to play around with them. If I hadn't one already, I'd be interested. It is a nice maschine for playing around and build your very custom thing from it. It is a good base for projects like this: http://via.i-networx.de/eframe/eframe.htm
Edit: Note also that the next version of MorphOS will probably provide mor available RAM, since L3D will introduce teh option to keep video data in VRAM exclusively (no RAM copy required). Dunno how well this will work though.
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Try to sell the Efika and buy a key for your mini. The demand for Efikas is not the highest, but ...... It is a good base for projects like this: http://via.i-networx.de/eframe/eframe.htm
I was trying to sell my Efika, as I have had a 1.5GHz G4 MacMini running a registered copy of MorphOS2.4 for several months now, but since it has not sold I think I will copy that idea to make it into a picture frame media computer. I have an old 500MHz Celeron laptop that is literally falling to pieces (the hinges have broken the plastic laptop casing) that I could get a 14.1 inch LCD display from, if I can figure out the wiring to convert it to accept an input cable from the DVI port of the Efika's ATI 9250 video card. The picture frame project linked to above looks very nice and it is only a 10.3 inch LCD.
I think the picture frame project will be better and probably cooler without any fans if I use the 400MHz Efika running MorphOS2.4 than trying to keep and use the 500MHz Celeron laptop motherboard running Windows98, or some flavor of Linux.
@Hell Labs, I would agree with you that the Efika is very limited due to it's low amount of RAM capability, but it is hardly "totally useless". There are many things that the Efika can run and run well. Some smart programmer might even write an application that allows MorphOS to use a swap partition as virtual memory which while not a good solution, would make the Efika better at running web browsers that cache pages and/or images to RAM and cause the Efika to crash.
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I was getting excited about MorphOS but after learning that for something designed to work on years old hardware that is only available second hand, you have to buy a new license for each machine... forget it.
Sorry guys.
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I was getting excited about MorphOS but after learning that for something designed to work on years old hardware that is only available second hand, you have to buy a new license for each machine... forget it.
Sorry guys.
Well what exactly are you expecting? Indie devs can't afford to give copies out for free, though licence transfers are something they REALLY need to do. ANd this "years old hardware" is also the best PPC hardware in existence, as well as the cheapest and the best built.
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I was trying to sell my Efika, as I have had a 1.5GHz G4 MacMini running a registered copy of MorphOS2.4 for several months now, but since it has not sold I think I will copy that idea to make it into a picture frame media computer. I have an old 500MHz Celeron laptop that is literally falling to pieces (the hinges have broken the plastic laptop casing) that I could get a 14.1 inch LCD display from, if I can figure out the wiring to convert it to accept an input cable from the DVI port of the Efika's ATI 9250 video card. The picture frame project linked to above looks very nice and it is only a 10.3 inch LCD.
Nice to hear you like the project. My next step on the to do list is to finish my simple program interface and do a rework of the LED and display control. The disk aktivity LED sucks in the dark - am thinking of moving the whole thing to get controlled by a µC (but never worked with µC yet, maybe a good task/opprtunity to start actually).
Good luck for your project - I hope you'll share your project progress once started.
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I have an old 500MHz Celeron laptop that is literally falling to pieces (the hinges have broken the plastic laptop casing) that I could get a 14.1 inch LCD display from
Take it from somebody who knows:
Laptop screen + doing anything to it = Need both a new laptop, and to buy an LCD for project anyway.
Even if you don't accidentally pull the ribbon cable off the back of the panel (permenently ruining it, as I did to an old dell someone gave me), figuring out the pinouts is pretty much impossible. It's not exactly standard vga in there.
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Take it from somebody who knows:
Laptop screen + doing anything to it = Need both a new laptop, and to buy an LCD for project anyway.
Even if you don't accidentally pull the ribbon cable off the back of the panel (permenently ruining it, as I did to an old dell someone gave me), figuring out the pinouts is pretty much impossible. It's not exactly standard vga in there.
Really? I did not think it would be that difficult to figure out and why wouldn't there be some kind of standard for LCD screens? I am sure this cheap laptop with it's PII Celeron CPU did not use some custom graphics card. I bought it in July of 1999 and I am pretty sure it would use the cheapest off-the-shelf parts the builder could get their hands on as it is not a major brand name manufacturer.
Well, since it is literally falling apart, it won't hurt to take it the rest of the way apart and look at what is inside.
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Yep. It's not so much a custom graphics chip, as the companies who make the LCDs never standardising the connection. lcds in a laptop are really minimalist, there was only one small circuitboard you could get to in my old dell, and I think that was actually just to power the backlight. Other than that it's just a ribon cable, all the actual stuff is in the keyboard half.
I've seen loads of attempts to use laptop lcds, and I've never seen one actually succeed.
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@Amigadave
Do yourself a favor take a look on the DIY projector sites ... While lcd screens aren't quite standardised You can get a controller board off ebay that works with most of them(just a matter of ordering the proper cables.). Speaking of that ... some day I'll have to finish my projector project. :-D
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Really? I did not think it would be that difficult to figure out and why wouldn't there be some kind of standard for LCD screens?
LVDS only defines standards for the electrical properties of the signal but nothing more. You need to google around to find out the signalling of your display. My frame uses a Sharp industrial panel and a display controller from Kontron.
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We use a software package at work, and if we want to transfer it to a new computer, we have to "decommision" it, and it gives us a code. We then use that code to install the software on the new computer.
I would feel better about it if MorphOS used a scheme like that.
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We use a software package at work, and if we want to transfer it to a new computer, we have to "decommision" it, and it gives us a code. We then use that code to install the software on the new computer.
I would feel better about it if MorphOS used a scheme like that.
I can live with that arrangement concerning my license with MorphOS. But, I do understand that their time an efforts making MorphOS available on the MacMini has to be compensated, so a small ;) upgrade cost is in order. This would be a kind gesture to all the loyal customer's who have supported the hard work over the years.
The dawg
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So Morphos works on a Mac Mini, does it work on a Power Mac G4 800mhz with 1 gig of memory and a ATI card, or is this just an exclusive Mac Mini thing?
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So Morphos works on a Mac Mini, does it work on a Power Mac G4 800mhz with 1 gig of memory and a ATI card, or is this just an exclusive Mac Mini thing?
For the moment - only Mac Mini. But there is a development for a PowerMac version and meaby at some stage powerbook (my favourite one..).
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So Morphos works on a Mac Mini, does it work on a Power Mac G4 800mhz with 1 gig of memory and a ATI card, or is this just an exclusive Mac Mini thing?
Unofficial rule #1 of the internet:
If the answer to the question you are about to ask is on the first page of google results, do not ask that question.
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What's Google? :lol:
Seriously, I stopped using their search engine a while ago. It's not the internet as we all once knew it. Google is not my friend.
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Unofficial rule #2 of the Internet: Do not be a condescending prick about Internet searches.
It was a simple, on-topic question that could be answered by anybody who posseses the knowledge in a trust-worthy venue in the course of a conversation, the answer to which could contain additional information from personal information or perspective of the person providing the answer. The Internet, as a whole, is not trust-worthy. Of course, given that argument, one might be best off not asking or searching in the first place.
(I guess rule #3 could be avoid verbosity and commas.)
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Unofficial rule #1 of the internet:
If the answer to the question you are about to ask is on the first page of google results, do not ask that question.
Gee thanks...okay lets see
Click on first link to google
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6684&forum=11
It says up the top Powermac G4 support coming, but then the poster says it is working? So anyone got it working here if it has been released? Does it work on a Powermac G4 with ATI RV200 graphics card or is a radeon 9000 card the minimum requirement? Just seeking some answers from someone on here who may already have done it that is all.
I am not a Mac person, used to be an Amiga nut back in the day and am slowly getting back into it with Amiga Forever and hoping to have a CD32 soon once Analogic UK ever gets back to me! Anyway hope someone can create a dummy guide for Morphos and Powermac's that are compatible with it.
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@Amigadave
Do yourself a favor take a look on the DIY projector sites ... While lcd screens aren't quite standardised You can get a controller board off ebay that works with most of them(just a matter of ordering the proper cables.). Speaking of that ... some day I'll have to finish my projector project. :-D
Not sure I understand your post above. I am trying to find out if I will be able to make, or find a cable that will connect my Efika's ATI Radeon 9250 video card with DVI, VGA & Composite outputs to the really old LCD screen out of a laptop made in 1998/99.
I haven't yet taken it apart, so I don't know if the laptop uses an "off-the-shelf" video card that many other laptops of that time period used, or if it has integrated graphics that is unique to the motherboard used. There has to be some way to find out how to wire a VGA or DVI plug to the existing wiring coming from the laptop's LCD display.
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Not sure I understand your post above. I am trying to find out if I will be able to make, or find a cable that will connect my Efika's ATI Radeon 9250 video card with DVI, VGA & Composite outputs to the really old LCD screen out of a laptop made in 1998/99.
I haven't yet taken it apart, so I don't know if the laptop uses an "off-the-shelf" video card that many other laptops of that time period used, or if it has integrated graphics that is unique to the motherboard used. There has to be some way to find out how to wire a VGA or DVI plug to the existing wiring coming from the laptop's LCD display.
In a typical lcd monitor there is a controller board that drives the lcd. On a laptop, this controller is almost always integrated into the motherboard due to space/money issues. What you are trying to do is essentially what those DIY projector enthusiasts have to do when they use laptop lcds for their projectors. Reading up on their sites or asking about your particular laptop lcd on their forums is likely to get you a more detailed explanation.
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http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6684&forum=11
It says up the top Powermac G4 support coming, but then the poster says it is working?
Coming yes, released no, the poster is a MorphOS developer, so it is working but not quite ready for release yet. Currently supported hardware is listed here (http://www.morphos-team.net/hardware.html), once the release is ready that page should be updated to include supported PowerMac models.
Does it work on a Powermac G4 with ATI RV200 graphics card or is a radeon 9000 card the minimum requirement?
Been using an RV200 card in my Pegasos for years now, so I'm thinking it would probably work in a PowerMac as well.